Protesters occupy privately owned house to raise awarness?

Uriel.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Who are you?

Who I am is none of your business and I've as much right to post here as you do.

Do you have 2 accounts you're posting under?

why would you suggest that.


so are you going to post some information from a credible source or continue to KGB your way around it?

DONTMATTER

Squatter wrote: »

No they're not. Their pointless stunt will achieve absolutely nothing for the homeless, but they will gain valuable street cred from their mates and some of them may well end up in good jobs in the poverty industry sector.

Maybe if we all stood with the protesters? Joined them? Forced the government with the numerous landlords amongst them to do something about the horrible situation people find themselves in.

Squatter

DONTMATTER wrote: »

The truth about those who are anti the protesters is emerging. They despise them because they are highlighting an issue that goes against their profit making schemes. It seems like we have a number of landlords posting on this thread!

Thank heavens that we have towering intellectuals like you to redress the landlord-squatter (not Squatter!) imbalance on this thread!

I feel very proud to have added you to my ignore list!

PlaneSpeeking

Uriel. wrote: »

Who I am is none of your business and I've as much right to post here as you do.



why would you suggest that.


so are you going to post some information from a credible source or continue to KGB your way around it?

Don't go near that rabbit hole, poster!

Here be dragons!

PlaneSpeeking

Squatter wrote: »

Thank heavens that we have towering intellectuals like you to redress the landlord-squatter imbalance on this thread!

I feel very proud to have added you to my ignore list!

Welcome aboard! We meet Thursdays, bring cake!!!

DONTMATTER

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I didn't mean to imply you said it personally, it's in the statement from the peoples front of summerhill.... summer hill peoples front.... the occupiers.

Did you say that you avoid facebook?

sbsquarepants

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I didn't say anyone was greedy, I don't think owning a second home is inherently greedy at all.

If the mortage etc. is being paid by the rent, as implied by the posters words, then the asset is being acquired in the owners favour. End off.

True (eventually), but sometimes not through choice, hence "stuck".

Fann Linn

DONTMATTER wrote: »

They are doing something to help the homeless and those in desperate need of support.

I heard one this morning on Newstalk. Crying about having to live in a hostel and having to pay €100 per week. Complaining that she doesn't get anything to eat for paying that €100.

Then she carried on and it emerges that 5 years ago she was thrown out of her house for anti social behaviour. She wanted a second chance.

I've no problem with people protesting, and on this issue I'm normally sympathetic to the cause, however, if they are going to protest, at least make sure that their spokespersons are genuinely homeless through no fault of their own.

sbsquarepants

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Did you say that you avoid facebook?

Yes.

Berserker

DONTMATTER wrote: »

They are doing something to help the homeless and those in desperate need of support.

Absolutely not. Occupying a house is not going to do anything to help those people.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Properties that are vacant for a prolonged period should have a levy applied to them that forces the owners to either occupy them, sell them or have them removed from their ownership at below the market value.

My brother owns an apartment in Dublin city centre. He works in the USA and he comes back to Ireland twice a year. He tried to rent out the apartment a few years back but the tenants decided that paying rent was not for them and they also decided to re-decorate the place on leaving. Are you seriously telling me that he should be forced to open up that property and be subject to that treatment again?

Uriel.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Maybe if we all stood with the protesters? Joined them? Forced the government with the numerous landlords amongst them to do something about the horrible situation people find themselves in.

I'd like to protest for the development of workhouses as a solution to the poor souls that are homeless

jobbridge4life

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

My father's house is "vacant".

Damn him for having such a great deal of suffering with an illness and having to spend time in a nursing home.

Clearly according to some posters he should give up his house to some workshy layabout.

Yeah good luck getting them out later.

Have you been paying attention to the housing crisis? Seriously? Because the idea that it is only those out of or afraid of work who are in peril is delusion.

Bredabe

I hear one of the protesters saying 'she deserved a 2nd chance, everyone deserves a home', not a word about those of us who never got a chance to be on the housing ladder once let alone twice.

DONTMATTER

Uriel. wrote: »

Who I am is none of your business and I've as much right to post here as you do.



why would you suggest that.


so are you going to post some information from a credible source or continue to KGB your way around it?

I was responding to a poster about reading all the information available and then you responded under a different name asking to provide you with different links. You're not supposed to have 2 accounts posting.

DONTMATTER

Squatter wrote: »

Thank heavens that we have towering intellectuals like you to redress the landlord-squatter (not Squatter!) imbalance on this thread!

I feel very proud to have added you to my ignore list!

Post reported.

Uriel.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I was responding to a poster about reading all the information available and then you responded under a different name asking to provide you with different links. You're not supposed to have 2 accounts posting.

are you making that accusation?

PlaneSpeeking

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Have you been paying attention to the housing crisis? Seriously? Because the idea that it is only those out of or afraid of work who are in peril is delusion.

I rent, if I miss a payment I could be kicked out.

I dont miss because I was brought up responsibly.

I'm talking - as you well know - about the crowd who want to live for free and these are the scumbags who the "protestors" are facilitating.

sbsquarepants

Fann Linn wrote: »

I heard one this morning on Newstalk. Crying about having to live in a hostel and having to pay €100 per week. Complaining that she doesn't get anything to eat for paying that €100.

.

Jaysus, God love her. I pay around 4 times that and I don't get anything to eat for it either. I did one time get tickets to the ideal homes show though, so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts, couldn't go unfortunately, can't remember why, probably had to work or something.

The irony:D

DONTMATTER

Fann Linn wrote: »

I heard one this morning on Newstalk. Crying about having to live in a hostel and having to pay €100 per week. Complaining that she doesn't get anything to eat for paying that €100.

Then she carried on and it emerges that 5 years ago she was thrown out of her house for anti social behaviour. She wanted a second chance.

I've no problem with people protesting, and on this issue I'm normally sympathetic to the cause, however, if they are going to protest, at least make sure that their spokespersons are genuinely homeless through no fault of their own.

We shouldn't punish those in genuine need of support because we dislike some spokesperson.

Berserker

Bredabe wrote: »

I hear one of the protesters saying 'she deserved a 2nd chance, everyone deserves a home', not a word about those of us who never got a chance to be on the housing ladder once let alone twice.

Heard another one talking about "rich" people who earn €50K per annum. Good luck trying to buy a home on €50K in Dublin or any of the surrounding counties.

DONTMATTER

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Yes.

So you haven't read all their statements.

DONTMATTER

Berserker wrote: »

Absolutely not. Occupying a house is not going to do anything to help those people.



My brother owns an apartment in Dublin city centre. He works in the USA and he comes back to Ireland twice a year. He tried to rent out the apartment a few years back but the tenants decided that paying rent was not for them and they also decided to re-decorate the place on leaving. Are you seriously telling me that he should be forced to open up that property and be subject to that treatment again?

It's highlighting the issue and the landlords behaviour. Job done.

PlaneSpeeking

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Jaysus, God love her. I pay around 4 times that and I don't get anything to eat for it either. I did one time get tickets to the ideal homes show though, so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts, couldn't go unfortunately, can't remember why, probably had to work or something.

The irony:D

100 quid a week!

For three times that I receive the grand total of ....... a roof over my head!

Everything else on top of that!

Jaysus even the badly educated AAA shills can see that is not on!!!!

DONTMATTER

Uriel. wrote: »

I'd like to protest for the development of workhouses as a solution to the poor souls that are homeless

As said earlier, the real motives of those protesting against the protesters eventually emerge.

mahamageehad

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Properties that are vacant for a prolonged period should have a levy applied to them that forces the owners to either occupy them, sell them or have them removed from their ownership at below the market value. It's a disgrace that last year it was reported that in Dublin city alone there were 31,000 vacant housing united, with over 6,000 being vacant for over 5 years, and nothing has been done about it.

This house in question has been vacant 2 months though. But yes, levies on houses vacant over 2 years or whatever time frame is a good idea. Pity this stunt will do absolutely nothing towards accomplishing that or anything that will help.

PlaneSpeeking

Berserker wrote: »

Heard another one talking about "rich" people who earn €50K per annum. Good luck trying to buy a home on €50K in Dublin or any of the surrounding counties.

I don't earn 50k, but I'm in the higher tax bracket (after 30 years' solid graft). Apparently I'm "the 1%" and one one occasion "Tory landowning scum".

No brains these people, none at all.

Fann Linn

DONTMATTER wrote: »

We shouldn't punish those in genuine need of support because we dislike some spokesperson.

I actually said that. I just qualified it first by stating get genuine spokepersons, not anti social tenants who were previously evicted.

No different in my opinion to the 'scum landlords' they're fighting against.

DONTMATTER

Bredabe wrote: »

I hear one of the protesters saying 'she deserved a 2nd chance, everyone deserves a home', not a word about those of us who never got a chance to be on the housing ladder once let alone twice.

So how about you join with them? Let's make this for all people in difficult situations. What will fighting against them achieve?

Gatling

So who's signed up to adopt a homeless person for Christmas ,
The last two adopt a homeless or immigrant didn't go so well .

No boardsie adopted a single homeless person or immigrant .

Uriel.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

As said earlier, the real motives of those protesting against the protesters eventually emerge.

but what about those who protest against the protesters protesting about the protesters?

Don't we now know that those people are affiliated to or have close links with communist backed influence groups?

PlaneSpeeking

Uriel. wrote: »

are you making that accusation?

Reported that too Uriel - posters can't go throwing out baseless allegations.

jobbridge4life

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I rent, if I miss a payment I could be kicked out.

I dont miss because I was brought up responsibly.

I'm talking - as you well know - about the crowd who want to live for free and these are the scumbags who the "protestors" are facilitating.

As I understand it, this occupation is in response to the eviction of 20 latin americans livinig in the house. I don't imagine that these 20 individuals were residing on welfare, do you have any reason to suggest otherwise?

PlaneSpeeking

Gatling wrote: »

So who's signed up to adopt a homeless person for Christmas ,
The last two adopt a homeless or immigrant didn't go so well .

No boardsie adopted a single homeless person or immigrant .

I meant to but sure I've still the three Syrians in the garage.

B-D-P--

Sorry but not reading full thread, Just passing the laugh,

I read title as
"Protestants occupy privately owned house to raise awarness"

JohnnyFlash

Usual protest. Bunch of middle-class lefties students, a few real lefties from the socialist and workers party, and some gougers from eirigi and republican sf telling people that getting someone else to pay for their house is a fundamental human right.

DONTMATTER

Uriel. wrote: »

are you making that accusation?

It seemed like you forgot to change accounts, you responded to a post directed at a poster of a different name. Maybe you have some explanation?

Red_Wake

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Red_Wake wrote: »

I see there's been a few unsubstantiated allegations about the owners being slumlords. No doubt this will be repeated as fact ad nauseum with each moron pointing to another's post as evidence.

Any documentation or links to back this up?

There's people on the ground who have local knowledge and information on this. Much more credible than those stating all the protesters are on the dole or living next to their ma despite not knowing who they are.

"People on the ground" were behind the Apollo House debacle, and they turned out to charlatans in the end, with a hefty sum of money disappearing down their back pocket for their trouble.

No doubt this is a repeat.

I read that slumleaks blog, a lot of allegations, but lacks any substance;

Pat O'Donnell is a director of a company which bought a property to redevelop into offices[this is not any evidence of slumlord activity].

Pat O'Donnell is the landlord of the Summerhill properties, with a picture of him entering a doorway as evidence of this, with another pic of Myles O'Donoghue entering a property[not even identifiable if this is the Summerhill property or not] with a man with a bald spot[the blog assumes this man is Pat O'Donnell] as proof.

I note that Slumleaks points to a letter from a company called Golden Rose Accommodation Limited, which is from Myles O'Donnell. They explain the discrepancy in surname by stating the company had misspelt the name[farcical].

That blog reads like a conspiracy theorists delusions, and is, quite frankly, crackpot bull****.

sbsquarepants

DONTMATTER wrote: »

So you haven't read all their statements.

No. Another poster posted their statement demanding the properties be bought by the state and given to the good people of Summerhill. Sure why not.

I've been on another thread today about chicks with dicks and all the related pronouns that come with them, and I honestly don't think I have anymore capacity for bolloxology.

I'm genuinely afraid that if I hear Boyd Barrett on my way home from work this evening I may lack the mental strength to keep myself from swerving under an artic.

Subcomandante Marcos

mahamageehad wrote: »

This house in question has been vacant 2 months though. But yes, levies on houses vacant over 2 years or whatever time frame is a good idea. Pity this stunt will do absolutely nothing towards accomplishing that or anything that will help.

I think this house was picked more because it is owned by a slum lord than anything else. People like the LL of that property who have the gall to ram 20 desperate people in 1 property shouldn't just be fined, they should be jailed. The Agency who oversaw it should be fine massively too. There's far too much of this ****e going on in Dublin.

Uriel.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It seemed like you forgot to change accounts, you responded to a post directed at a poster of a different name. Maybe you have some explanation?

you mistake this for Soviet Russia.
I don't have to explain anything.

At least have the balls to directly accuse me rather than this clown around.

And when you do make the accusation directly, make sure to provide evidence.

Your mask fell on the ground btw.

DONTMATTER

Uriel. wrote: »

but what about those who protest against the protesters protesting about the protesters?

Don't we now know that those people are affiliated to or have close links with communist backed influence groups?

Landlords, many who are in government, are trying to tar the protesters as criminals, or freeloaders and other things like communists.

The truth is that there are huge numbers of homeless people and others really struggling. They shall not be silenced by the greedy landlords.

MarinersBlues

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You heard it here folks - struggling to make ends meet for 30 years to keep a roof over your family's head is "a great deal".

Jesus wept.

In the comment I quoted the poster was acquiring equity in a valuable asset without affecting their own income/cashflow.

I fail to see the added extra struggle from increasing equity in a property, at no cost to them once all the other bills were paid.

PlaneSpeeking

MarinersBlues wrote: »

In the comment I quoted the poster was acquiring equity in a valuable asset without affecting their own income/cashflow.

I fail to see the added extra struggle from increasing equity in a property, at no cost to them once all the other bills were paid.

That bit seems easy to those who have none to pay doesn't it ?????

Uriel.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Landlords, many who are in government, are trying to tar the protesters as criminals, or freeloaders and other things like communists.

The truth is that there are huge numbers of homeless people and others really struggling. They shall not be silenced by the greedy landlords.

Newsflash, breaking and entering is criminal activity as is damage to property.
Those who do not and have not earned in their lives are freeloaders.
Some groups are communist leaning.

I am not seeing any attempts to silence anyone. You're acting delusional tbh.

JohnnyFlash

sbsquarepants wrote: »

No. Another poster posted their statement demanding the properties be bought by the state and given to the good people of Summerhill. Sure why not.

I've been on another thread today about chicks with dicks and all the related pronouns that come with them, and I honestly don't think I have anymore capacity for bolloxology.

I'm genuinely afraid that if I hear Boyd Barrett on my way home from work this evening I may lack the mental strength to keep myself from swerving under an artic.

Richard BB and Paul Murphy will be hightailing it in from Dalkey and Monkstown at any moment. This could be it lads - the start of the revolution!!!

DONTMATTER

sbsquarepants wrote: »

No. Another poster posted their statement demanding the properties be bought by the state and given to the good people of Summerhill. Sure why not.

I've been on another thread today about chicks with dicks and all the related pronouns that come with them, and I honestly don't think I have anymore capacity for bolloxology.

I'm genuinely afraid that if I hear Boyd Barrett on my way home from work this evening I may lack the mental strength to keep myself from swerving under an artic.

So you have a hatred of Boyd Barrett or whoever. Why should that stop you from supporting homeless people and other people in desperate situations?

jobbridge4life

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That bit seems easy to those who have none to pay doesn't it ?????

Again, what are you talking about? Do you know Mariner's employment situation or is this more baselss trash talk?

Wheeliebin30

About time the gravy train was put to an end for these spongers and leeches.

You want something in life go out and work for it, if you can’t afford it tough that’s life.

gctest50

MarinersBlues wrote: »

In the comment I quoted the poster was acquiring equity in a valuable asset without affecting their own income/cashflow.

I fail to see the added extra struggle from increasing equity in a property, at no cost to them once all the other bills were paid.

If it's that easy, why are there :

DONTMATTER wrote: »

The truth is that there are huge numbers of homeless people and others really struggling. .

well ?

DONTMATTER

Uriel. wrote: »

you mistake this for Soviet Russia.
I don't have to explain anything.

At least have the balls to directly accuse me rather than this clown around.

And when you do make the accusation directly, make sure to provide evidence.

Your mask fell on the ground btw.

I don't have to do anything you tell me. This isn't Soviet Russia.