Homeland Season 8 **Spoilers**

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expectationlost wrote: »

is yevgeni not smart enough to know that Carrie would spy on him

Perhaps love is blind even in the world of spycraft...

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extra gravy wrote: »

Perhaps love is blind even in the world of spycraft...

In the real world Yevgeny would go for a hot Russian chick not some US spy well past her sell-by date!

About the money for Tv shows normally a star ends up getting more as they go along.

The first few seasons would have been tied up under the initial contract signed before the show was made and before anyone would know if it's going to be a success or not.

As Danes was getting no work at the time they could get her at a relatively lower rate. She wasn't a "big star" at that time.

When it comes to signing a new and subsequent contract the star of the show has more leverage.

I watched it just after watching the Americans..

Yer man Yevgeni has been forever typecast as a Russian spy for me..

I'll see him in some Christmas movie playing Santa or something in 10 years time and I'll be like "How are the Russians involved?"..

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glasso wrote: »

In the real world Yevgeny would go for a hot Russian chick not some US spy well past her sell-by date!

Not everyone is that shallow, even in the real world.

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extra gravy wrote: »

Not everyone is that shallow, even in the real world.

well as you said yourself, sometimes love is blind!

but more often that not it's not

who would seriously want to shack up with a bi-polar cry-face Carrie as their first choice, especially considering that pretty much any guy she was with before ended up dead, even the poor victim virgin student in season 4?

lukin

glasso wrote: »

As Danes was getting no work at the time they could get her at a relatively lower rate. She wasn't a "big star" at that time.

I read that for the first season herself and Damian Lewis were on $250,000 per episode. Neither of them were big stars at the time so that's decent moolah.
Danes had doubled her salary by the time Homeland finished, I assume when Lewis was killed off he was getting the same as Danes.
I see a lot of similarities between Claire Danes and Kiefer Sutherland. Both were fairly big movie stars in their twenties but their careers stalled in their thirties.
Then a TV show rescued their careers.

lukin

glasso wrote: »

well as you said yourself, sometimes love is blind!

but more often that not it's not

who would seriously want to shack up with a bi-polar cry-face Carrie as their first choice, especially considering that pretty much any guy she was with before ended up dead, even the poor victim virgin student in season 4?

The degradation in Claire Danes's looks from the first season to the last has been quite remarkable. Here's a pic of her from season one;



She has a fair bit of make-up on but still looks very attractive in that pic. I can't remember any ep this season where she looked even mildly attractive.

lukin

lukin wrote: »

The degradation in Claire Danes's looks from the first season to the last has been quite remarkable. Here's a pic of her from season one;


She has a fair bit of make-up on but still looks very attractive in that pic. I can't remember any ep this season where she looked even mildly attractive.

Hollywood is a very fickle place in terms of looks as we know, most especially for women.

Claire Danes "peaked" career wise in 1996 with Romeo and Juliet at 17. And looks-wise also.

She was a cute teenager but never had much "sex-appeal" afterwards, at least compared to the many other options out there.

That's why she never became a movie star as she was/is a reasonable actress.

Also turning down the role in Titanic probably wasn't the best career move.

that's the harsh reality of Hollywood.

chews them up and spits them out.

do you actually think that it works some other way?

there are very few "frumpy" character roles to be filled and Danes wasn't going down that avenue in any case.

lukin

glasso wrote: »

Also turning down the role in Titanic probably wasn't the best career move.

Anytime she has been asked about that she says she doesn't regret turning down that role. I know you might say "Yeah she would say that wouldn't she?" but I actually believe her.
I kind of admire her for having principles.
She turned it down because she had just done Romeo and Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio and he got on her nerves something unreal during that movie.
So she couldn't stand to do another movie with him.
They get on fine now though.

Homelander

Some really strange commentary in this thread. Claire Danes was was 30 when Homeland started, now she's 41. Of course she aged during that time, but she hasn't really changed that much appearance wise.

Personally I think she's aged quite well and I would say she's fairly attractive. You can go back to say, Terminator 3 from 2003, and see she really has changed very little despite there being nearly two decades between that and Homeland S8.

The point was she never made it as an A-List movie star.

Didn't someone say that she nearly quit acting before homeland as she was getting got no parts?

I wasn't saying that she was unattractive.

She just wasn't attractive enough for Hollywood where sex appeal very much counts in the mainstream attractive actress market.

Danes was in that mainstream actress market, not the "alternative" actress market and I think that it's a reasonable point to make.

Charlie19

expectationlost wrote: »

is yevgeni not smart enough to know that Carrie would spy on him

That was my first thought, surely he knew everything about her and apart from her being a potential spy, Carrie is also a bit bat **** crazy.

Kermit.de.frog

Her cry face makes it imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4aeibd1Rrc

alchemist33

If there's any spinoff, I want the Pakistani Intelligence lady front and centre

Icsics

Didn’t see that ending coming, really enjoyed this season & esp the finale. Hope there some kind of spinoff, love Saul!

Snickers Man

Last episode of last series of Homeland in seven words:

And they all lived happily ever after

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAlt48JV538

lukin

I watched the first ep of season one again last night and two things spring to mind: Claire Danes was far more more attractive then and God, Dana really was annoying.

De Bhál

Some amount of crap written here about Clare Dane's looks. It's like a chat you'd hear in secondary school.

Great show and one of the longest I've stuck with. Never afraid to have pops at the USA foreign policy and always had a good story.

Dane's was brilliant as Carrie and Saul also excellent.

Loved the ending last night and did not see it coming. I thought Carrie and Saul were pulling a fast one on the Russians as that's how it usually went.
This season slightly ruined by saul senfing an obviously broken Carrie on a mission

nigeldaniel

I missed last night's final on RTE so I will have to catch it later on Saturday night.

The Black Oil

It wasn't a bad episode. Some way through, however, the word that came to mind for me was insubstantial. I had no real expectations around how things would end and I wasn't feeling all systems go excitement in front of the TV a la other shows I've finished. Pleased to see Lesli Linka Glatter directing, she's been a real stalwart behind the camera.

I was wondering whether Maggie would appear. Carrie and Saul had a good verbal tussle not long after. Russia being the mortal enemy and all. That 'cost of doing business' line really landed. It's a wonder he didn't tell her to GTFO. Saul's immobilisation was quite unpleasant. At least his sister - no memory of her at all - gave Carrie a good character reference when she mentioned ulterior motive. Horrible manipulation, Miss Matheson. I was quite thrown by the geography here and at first thought it was Pakistan again.

The asset, gun conversation and taking her own life was hard viewing. The exchange between Carrie and Yevgeny reminded me a little of Netflix's Marriage Story and by that point I'd forgotten about Saul's sister. How often do the Russians beam into the Oval via CNN telling the US to stand down, jeez.

The two years later was a little abrupt. Thought the concert might have been a shout out to the opera in Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation.

Carrie's note in the book about her daughter had some additional meaning, surely. The old spy craft is kept alive and we get that rare thing, a smile on her face. That alone's worth the price of admission.

LFCFan

not sure if it has been said but I get the sense that the Vice President and his dumbass adviser was a nod in the direction of the current situation in America with Trump being a useless President surrounded by dumbass advisers and the frustration lifelong intelligence officers (e.g. Saul) trying to deal with them

Rockbeast2

A serviceable, not great, ending.

Really hated Carrie for first time as she spoke to the drugged Saul. Glad to see back of her now!

Overall, a really good show generally that had a great run. I will miss characters such as Saul, Peter Quinn and Dar Adal.

The Black Oil

Nice touch.

https://twitter.com/LeslilinkaG/status/1254626723607351296

bogmanfan

I thought it was an excellent finale. Carrie had to make a choice between

burning the Russian agent, or allowing the conflict to escalate in Pakistan. She chose to burn the Russian, but with a view to replacing her

. Yes it was all very neat, but I enjoyed it.

Loved the Kamasi Washington appearance also. Carrie was listening to him while running on her treadmill in the previous season, so nice and consistent.

Also, Claire Danes is getting a kicking in this thread! Carrie Mathison isn't supposed to be a glamorous character, but Danes is certainly an attractive woman by any measure. She could struggle to get work again, being so closely identified with this role, but Damian Lewis is on Billions now, so fingers crossed for her. I thought she was great throughout Homeland.

Looking forward to coming on here to read the comments, and then half of them are about Claire Danes actual looks and whether a Russian spy would go for her in the first place

Give me strength

Loved the ending, so glad I stuck with it. This season has been brilliant and that was such a satisfying ending.

cdgalwegian

Great ending to an inconsistent yet great series. The final season had thrown in some tenuous scenarios in order to finish with a flourish, but I didn't find it hard to grant them some leeway; it just felt so old-school, and satisfying. The 21st century Great Game (with America instead of Britain) had a vivid and twisty portrayal, constantly changing it up; but with the dynamic duo always at its core, loyalty in the world of espionage was always a thrill to watch. Despite its flaws, sad to see this go.

alchemist33

bogmanfan wrote: »

I thought it was an excellent finale. Carrie had to make a choice between

burning the Russian agent, or allowing the conflict to escalate in Pakistan. She chose to burn the Russian, but with a view to replacing her

. Yes it was all very neat, but I enjoyed it.

Loved the Kamasi Washington appearance also. Carrie was listening to him while running on her treadmill in the previous season, so nice and consistent.

Also, Claire Danes is getting a kicking in this thread! Carrie Mathison isn't supposed to be a glamorous character, but Danes is certainly an attractive woman by any measure. She could struggle to get work again, being so closely identified with this role, but Damian Lewis is on Billions now, so fingers crossed for her. I thought she was great throughout Homeland.

I had to lookup Kamasi Wahsington later. Have to say, that music hurt my ears!

fryup

Brilliant final episode, brilliant acting all around, and fitting way to finish.

But...if i was to nitpick ...how the hell did Carrie get halfway across the world to Israel in one day??

and secondly her turning double agent I am not sure if I believe Yevgeny would not clock on for Carrie being a mole, as he has always seemed so sharp up until then

but anyway i'll miss it (wonder will it come back - netflix?)

lcstress2012

Does anyone know a date when season 8 will be on Netflix?

Acosta

Excellent show that got better with age. Glad I stuck with it those first few seasons. Thought the ending was good and it leaves things open if they want to bring it back In some form. Perhaps Carrie could break Jack Bauer out of prison in Russia

Turtwig

I was worried for a moment that Russian press conference would have been faked and only shown to convince Carrie.


Good way to end the series imo.

The Black Oil

Turtwig wrote: »

I was worried for a moment that Russian press conference would have been faked and only shown to convince Carrie.

Once they appeared I was expecting 'alright lads, here's the black box, but shure, go to war anyway'.

TheValeyard

Good ending. Good last series. Went out on a high level of standard rather than flogging a dead donkey.

The Black Oil

Good piece here from January, how the show came to be. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/homeland-declassified-battles-backlash-cia-meetings-a-secret-call-edward-snowden-1269957

Must check out that film with Lewis - Keane.

lukin

The Black Oil wrote: »

Good piece here from January, how the show came to be. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/homeland-declassified-battles-backlash-cia-meetings-a-secret-call-edward-snowden-1269957

Must check out that film with Lewis - Keane.

Yeah I read that piece too. Very interesting that the producers did not want Damian Lewis as Brody. Probably because the last TV show he was in before that (Life) was a bit of a flop.

fryup

fryup wrote: »

But...if i was to nitpick ...how the hell did Carrie get halfway across the world to Israel in one day??

and another thing, how did Carrie know that Saul's sister had that memory stick?? did Saul mention it to her before?? i mean it was a big gamble flying all the way over to Israel on a hunch

nigeldaniel

I think it was all very fare in the end. I had an inkling it might go all Snowden. Thankfully neither Saul nor Carrie bought the farm which I did fear might happen midseason. I might get the boxset on DVD later if I find one. I am very old school and don't care much for Netfix or whats not.

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lukin wrote: »

I watched the first ep of season one again last night and two things spring to mind: Claire Danes was far more more attractive then

I'm sure you were more attractive 10 years ago as well.

lukin

extra gravy wrote: »

I'm sure you were more attractive 10 years ago as well.

True (sadly).

fryup

nigeldaniel wrote: »

Thankfully neither Saul nor Carrie bought the farm which I did fear might happen midseason.

farm? wha

Homelander

fryup wrote: »

farm? wha

fryup

wha

ohnonotgmail

fryup wrote: »

wha

bought the farm = killed

fryup

you learn something new everyday, never heard that term before

bnt

fryup wrote: »

But...if i was to nitpick ...how the hell did Carrie get halfway across the world to Israel in one day??

I was wondering too, did some checking, and there were overnight flights from DC to Israel. You could leave DC in the early evening and arrive in Tel Aviv at local lunchtime the next day. A long trip but doable. Carrie had her bag of fake passports, of course, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an Israeli one in there.

olestoepoke

Used to be a great show, but like all great shows they are scrapping the barrel now and its gone to ****e. Stopped watching after 3 or 4 episodes this season. Big let down as I was a fan of it.

fryup

bnt wrote: »

I was wondering too, did some checking, and there were overnight flights from DC to Israel. You could leave DC in the early evening and arrive in Tel Aviv at local lunchtime the next day. A long trip but doable. Carrie had her bag of fake passports, of course, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an Israeli one in there.

really?? even taking into account time difference?