Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

Spanish Eyes

2011 wrote: »

So we should pay people not to commit crime?
Can everyone avail of this??

That is the most ridiculous statement I have seen you post and it has had some stiff competition.

Ignore option is best for trolls like this.

jay0109

Unfortunately I don't think he/she is a troll. There's a lot of bleeding heart, liberal types out there

mynamejeff

jay0109 wrote: »

Unfortunately I don't think he/she is a troll. There's a lot of bleeding heart, liberal types out there

also smacks of some one who doesn't mind parasites like Cash getting free money because he doesn't pay much tax himself

( from a long history of reading his posts )

limnam

jay0109 wrote: »

There's a lot of bleeding heart, liberal types out there

Most over used phrase ever and damn the fcker to hell who started using it.

end of the road

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

What I want to know is who is accountable for ensuring all kids who are not mentally handicapped leave school literate, enumerate and skilled enough to be further educated or trained into being employable adults.

the state, and the school at least.

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

The state failed in and around 2006 to keep Margaret in school, and to protect her from her feckless culture.

indeed they did. however, what did the people do about it? voted in the same people again and again.

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

Handwringng piety of social inclusion has delivered anything but.

it takes time. it doesn't happen over night. showing the travelers that it is worth integrating to the settled community is going to take a hell of a long time, we have a lot to prove to them.

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

Attitudes are hardening against fecklessness.

attitudes are hardening against anyone who isn't the same as the person who's attitude is hardening more like.

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

Children's allowance should be struck off for parents who don't send their kids to school.

unviable as that effects the children. also it's unlikely to work anyway.

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

It is pathetic that there are traveller families who are only now sending their kids to secondary school. I know of one such case. A girl, now in second year is the first of her family to go to secondary school.

indeed, but it seems more traveler children are attending school, which is a good thing at least if it is the case.

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

The rest were thrown on the economic and social scrap heap.

As always, it is the traveller men who drive this due to their inadequacy and "pride".

Sacrificing their children lest they become independent. The polar opposite of what normal people do.

sure, and most disagree with that. but at least this seems to be changing.

Spanish Eyes

End of the road poster is laughing the socks at all of us.

Best to ignore. S/he has nothing to add to the debate at all. Never has.

And to think that many posters have been banned for saying this and that. I reckon s/he is on the management system here, for balance like. Woo hoo.

end of the road

Paulzx wrote: »

The problem is that the kids are in school and under the influence of people that teach productive values to them for approx 5 hours per day.

The other 19 hours per day are spent under the influence of people (their parents) that set an example that it is ok to freeload and spend your whole existance expecting the state to pay for your every need.

The kids don't stand a chance. The problem is inter generational and is never going to stop until we as a society refuse to support someones choice not to contribute back into society

it's not about the amount of hours they spend in school, it's about what is thought to them and how it is thought. 5 hours has the potential to get things through to them if thought well. simply refusing to support people isn't going to work.

Vizzy wrote: »

And here we have it folks, the more criminality from people, the more we should pay them.

"Your honour, my client agrees that he will desist from criminality once he receives €X extra in welfare, BUT, he reserves the right to go back to crime once he is unhappy with the amount. What do you think your honour ?"


Judge - "seems fair".


Jesus, are you for real ?

given what you have stated is not what i stated, yes i am very much for real. people who commit criminality should be punished. however, wellfare payments will keep a lot of people from resorting to low level crime because they have no other option. they have the basic supports to live.

2011 wrote: »

So we should pay people not to commit crime?
Can everyone avail of this??

That is the most ridiculous statement I have seen you post and it has had some stiff competition.

no, we aren't paying people not to commit criminality. we are paying people a basic amount to support themselves, so that they don't end up in a position where they feel they have to resort to low level crime. there are those who will commit crime anyway and they have to be dealt with, but if there was no wellfare then the rates would quite likely be a lot higher.

Gimme A Pound

Commanchie wrote: »

What is your issue with housing being afforded to this woman.

Let's see:

Massively inflated sense of entitlement, severely lacking in personal responsbility, expecting the accommodation to be found for her unlike those folk who have to go traipsing day in day out to find something - why is she so special? She got into the media is why.

Not just expecting the accommodation to be found for her, but only a specific type of accommodation in a certain area.

As someone else said, the horse has bolted - she has several children and realistically she cannot work. So she needs accommodation by the state, but the attitude is what's galling - the demanding rather than showing appreciation, the knowledge that there is an accommodation crisis yet being so choosy, the view of herself as more deserving than anyone else, the blaming of the government and zero acknowledgement of her own role.

There is a terrible crisis - not enough accommodation, ludicrous private rents that don't meet people's earnings, and the cost to buy a property is totally insane... and I feel hugely for those who are working hard or who might not be able to work much because they are lone parents but are still doing their best with part-time work and courses for when the kids start school, and disabled people, long-term ill, carers, those who have lost their job, and who are then under the added pressure of having to find accommodation because their lease is up. That is a nightmare situation right now. But you don't see them going screaming to the media, or viewing themselves as more deserving (when much of the time they are) or demanding a particular type of home in a particular place, or demanding that a bunch of lackeys do all the work for them.

That is my issue.

end of the road

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Let's see:

Massively inflated sense of entitlement, severely lacking in personal responsbility, expecting the accommodation to be found for her unlike those folk who have to go traipsing day in day out to find something

what and why has any of that got to do with her right to accommodation given she is on the housing list? personal responsibility will only get someone so far in some situations.

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

why is she so special? She got into the media is why.

she's not special. she may have got into the media, but it could be argued that by doing so, she hurried up the council in doing their job.

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Not just expecting the accommodation to be found for her, but only a specific type of accommodation in a certain area.

which she isn't going to get.

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

As someone else said, the horse has bolted - she has several children and realistically she cannot work. So she needs accommodation by the state, but the attitude is what's galling - the demanding rather than showing appreciation, the knowledge that there is an accommodation crisis yet being so choosy, the view of herself as more deserving than anyone else, the blaming of the government and zero acknowledgement of her own role.

fine, but realistically, she's not wrong in what she is saying when she blames the government for their part in causing this crisis. as for the rest, it means nothing because her supposibly being choosy and demanding isn't going to get her exactly what she wants. she may get accommodation, but it won't be exactly what she wants, and it won't be where she wants.

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

There is a terrible crisis - not enough accommodation, ludicrous private rents that don't meet people's earnings, and the cost to buy a property is totally insane... and I feel hugely for those who are working hard or who might not be able to work much because they are lone parents but are still doing their best with part-time work and courses for when the kids start school, and disabled people, long-term ill, carers, those who have lost their job, and who are then under the added pressure of having to find accommodation because their lease is up. That is a nightmare situation right now. But you don't see them going screaming to the media, or viewing themselves as more deserving (when much of the time they are) or demanding a particular type of home in a particular place, or demanding that a bunch of lackeys do all the work for them.

That is my issue.

actually, i have heard a number of such people on radio stations over the years. perhapse more of them should go to the media, that way the government might actually get to grips with dealing with this issue full stop.

PlaneSpeeking

end of the road wrote: »

in what way is she abusing and scamming the system. to be scamming the system she would surely have to be breaking the actual rules of that system. from what i have saw, she hasn't broken any actual rules in relation to her availing of the system therefore is not scamming it.
now certainly her choices that have caused her to end up where she is are questionable, and in relation to the criminal activity she is said to have been involved in, very very wrong. but from what i can see she isn't scamming or abusing but simply availing of what she is entitled to.
if you genuinely believe that she is scamming and abusing the system then by all means report your concerns to the wellfare and authorities.



no lets call it what it is, vitriol.

Oh dear.

Sweet.Science

This was quoted in the indo about the upcoming budget

'an increase in PRSI could be on the way. The Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection argued recently that PRSI should be increased to help pay for welfare benefits'

Also property tax is going to increase for people who actually bought their homes.

PlaneSpeeking

end of the road wrote: »

what and why has any of that got to do with her right to accommodation given she is on the housing list? personal responsibility will only get someone so far in some situations.



she's not special. she may have got into the media, but it could be argued that by doing so, she hurried up the council in doing their job.



which she isn't going to get.



fine, but realistically, she's not wrong in what she is saying when she blames the government for their part in causing this crisis. as for the rest, it means nothing because her supposibly being choosy and demanding isn't going to get her exactly what she wants. she may get accommodation, but it won't be exactly what she wants, and it won't be where she wants.



actually, i have heard a number of such people on radio stations over the years. perhapse more of them should go to the media, that way the government might actually get to grips with dealing with this issue full stop.

Listen I'm going to try to get it through to you one last time then I'm giving up as a bad job.

That entire post is absolute ill-informed, naive nonsense.

It is impossible to run a successful society by pandering to the lowest of the low.

"Personal responsibility will only get you so far". Crap. If you genuinely need help and cannot provide for yourself, then that is the very function of the welfare system. If you choose not to - then quite frankly get to f**k.

Cash and her ilk have no inherent rights to anything without an associated responsibility of being a positive, contributing member of society. If you have children, bringing them up to be the same.

She is doing none of this and the likes of you believe she should be REWARDED ?

We should pay scum MORE because they threaten to commit crime ? You understand the concept of blackmail, yes ?

People like Cash are the wound - idiots who constantly spout trite defences of her are the salt.

Kivaro

Sweet.Science wrote: »

This was quoted in the indo about the upcoming budget

'an increase in PRSI could be on the way. The Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection argued recently that PRSI should be increased to help pay for welfare benefits'

Also property tax is going to increase for people who actually bought their homes.

I made the mistake of watching a bit of the Six One news yesterday, just when they showed a "single" homeless mother of 2 getting a brand new house in Dublin. The homeless mother talked about how this was going to be her "forever" home and she can now pick the floors she wants in the brand spanking new house. All brand new appliances in the kitchen. Speaking of which; many, many workers would be envious of the size and quality of the kitchen. We have to budget for new floors. Why wasn't this house given to a working family on low income? Or offered to front line workers who need to live in Dublin, but cannot afford it?

It's like I'm living in a surreal reality.
Work long hours and pay your taxes and your reward will be increased PRSI payments and an increase in property taxes in order to pay for even more welfare benefits to those who do not want to work and are playing the system.
Claim homelessness and you get a forever home and cash payments that in many cases could supersede what workers earn.
Ireland has truly gone bonkers.

PlaneSpeeking

Oh and I can't get a link but the Mirror ran a story today of a family of 12 including 6 kids being taken by Gardai to a hospital in Mayo as they presented as "homeless".

Homeless me hole.

PlaneSpeeking

Kivaro wrote: »

I made the mistake of watching a bit of the Six One news yesterday, just when they showed a "single" homeless mother of 2 getting a brand new house in Dublin. The homeless mother talked about how this was going to be her "forever" home and she can now pick the floors she wants in the brand spanking new house. All brand new appliances in the kitchen. Speaking of which; many, many workers would be envious of the size and quality of the kitchen. We have to budget for new floors. Why wasn't this house given to a working family on low income? Or offered to front line workers who need to live in Dublin, but cannot afford it?

It's like I'm living in a surreal reality.
Work long hours and pay your taxes and your reward will be increased PRSI payments and an increase in property taxes in order to pay for even more welfare benefits to those who do not want to work and are playing the system.
Claim homelessness and you get a forever home and cash payments that in many cases could supersede what workers earn.
Ireland has truly gone bonkers.

Saw that last night - better than a few colleagues here, some with doctorates and all who have paid in.

We be f**ked.

Wheeliebin30

Kivaro wrote: »

I made the mistake of watching a bit of the Six One news yesterday, just when they showed a "single" homeless mother of 2 getting a brand new house in Dublin. The homeless mother talked about how this was going to be her "forever" home and she can now pick the floors she wants in the brand spanking new house. All brand new appliances in the kitchen. Speaking of which; many, many workers would be envious of the size and quality of the kitchen. We have to budget for new floors. Why wasn't this house given to a working family on low income? Or offered to front line workers who need to live in Dublin, but cannot afford it?

It's like I'm living in a surreal reality.
Work long hours and pay your taxes and your reward will be increased PRSI payments and an increase in property taxes in order to pay for even more welfare benefits to those who do not want to work and are playing the system.
Claim homelessness and you get a forever home and cash payments that in many cases could supersede what workers earn.
Ireland has truly gone bonkers.

And then all we hear is the government only look after the rich and not the poor??????????

Seth Brundle

suicide_circus wrote: »

there is no point going after Ms Cash at this stage, she is unemployable and is essentially a toddler - completely dependant on mammy (the state) for every aspect of her needs and wants.

Everyone is employable in one form or another. It is not that she can't work. She doesn't want to and doesn't need to.
If the choice of whether one works or not is removed you'll see quite a different attitude from her.

Kivaro

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

And then all we hear is the government only look after the rich and not the poor??????????

The thing about it Wheelie is that not one of those who are getting new free forever homes will ever vote for the likes of Fine Gael or Fianna Fail; yet Fine Gael are pumping billions of euros into social housing.

Of course we should always look after the (genuine) vulnerable in society but the government concentration should be on affordable homes for the contributors in society. They should not be caving in to the false hysterics of Sinn Fein-type parties. It's almost like Fine Gael are afraid that Mary Lou and her cohorts will pick up armalites again if the Government does not build free homes for Sinn Fein's electorate.

PlaneSpeeking

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Oh and I can't get a link but the Mirror ran a story today of a family of 12 including 6 kids being taken by Gardai to a hospital in Mayo as they presented as "homeless".

Homeless me hole.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-drive-homeless-family-12-13229700

Here you go.

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-drive-homeless-family-12-13229700

Here you go.

Oh good, the Roma have copped on to these tactics.

PlaneSpeeking

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-drive-homeless-family-12-13229700

Here you go.

Cheers Maryanne - God it's worse than I thought.

Will it ever end ????

KrustyUCC

Kevin Boxer Moran was on newstalk this morning on about a bill he is sponsoring that will make it harder to get home repossession where the family are paying something

It's mad

If i was defaulting by €300 a month on my car loan it would be taken off me simple as

Why should people be able to stay in a better home that they cannot afford?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

end of the road wrote: »

in what way is she abusing and scamming the system. to be scamming the system she would surely have to be breaking the actual rules of that system. from what i have saw, she hasn't broken any actual rules in relation to her availing of the system therefore is not scamming it.

You can quibble over the word "scamming," but she's definitely taking advantage of the system by having seven children in ten years and then pulling a publicity stunt to secure herself a house.

Unplanned pregnancies do happen, of course. But anyone who has seven children in ten years, without any means to support them, is deliberately and intentionally trying to milk the welfare system for as much as she can get.

The system is supposed to be social protection, not social exploitation.

KrustyUCC

suicide_circus wrote: »

Oh good, the Roma have copped on to these tactics.

Unlike Ms Cash the Roma as EU citizens that cannot support themselves could simple be sent home

homerjay2005

end of the road wrote: »

the state, and the school at least.

indeed they did. however, what did the people do about it? voted in the same people again and again.

so its the governments fault that certain cultures decide to give up on school?

do you not think that personal responsibility is up to individuals and not the government?

PlaneSpeeking

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Kevin Boxer Moran was on newstalk this morning on about a bill he is sponsoring that will make it harder to get home repossession where the family are paying something

It's mad

If i was defaulting by €300 a month on my car loan it would be taken off me simple as

Why should people be able to stay in a better home that they cannot afford?

I had a CCJ against me in the UK decades ago when I lived there. I had lost my job and could only make nominal payments, and I contacted company right away.

I had paid 400 GBP off a PC, still had a few hundred to go - interest etc.

I was rightly penalised for not making full payments - it is the way of the world. Or it should be.

KrustyUCC

His argument was that we can't add to the homeless crisis yet he doesn't acknowledge the hundred of thousands who can't get a house thanks to lack of availability and mortgage rules etc or are stuck renting

Lets say some of those are 4 bed houses

It stops another family who want to move up from a three bed to a four bed, possibly a different family from a two bed to the three bed and some first time buyers getting on the ladder

jay0109

suicide_circus wrote: »

Oh good, the Roma have copped on to these tactics.

All Eu citizens who cannot prove they can afford to keep themselves in another EU country can be deported. Did anyone explain that to Daragh O'Brien and his ilk or are these people so far up their own backsides that they actually believe the bs they sprout

Fianna Fail housing spokesman Darragh O’Brien told the Irish Mirror of his shock at their treatment.
He is calling for a stakeholder forum to be established to ensure “at the very least we can solve the problem of children being homeless.”
Mr O’Brien added: “Maybe nobody in Fine Gael cares about the homeless, or ethnic minorities, but normal people do.

jay0109

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Saw that last night - better than a few colleagues here, some with doctorates and all who have paid in.

We be f**ked.

Aye, that 'forever home' comment was hard to take. From a young woman who would be well capable of a day's work but will probably never have to.

And at the same time we'll hear politicians bemoaning the lack of stock of social housing. Of course there's no available stock you muppets when everyone who gets one views it as their 'forever home' and isn't forced to better their lot in life and to stop living off the Irish taxpayers

KrustyUCC

jay0109 wrote: »

All Eu citizens who cannot prove they can afford to keep themselves in another EU country can be deported. Did anyone explain that to Daragh O'Brien and his ilk or are these people so far up their own backsides that they actually believe the bs they sprout

Just another thing to sling at the government he is propping up

I don't support FG but I hate FF, Labour & SF using Cash or the Roma above to give out about the homeless crisis

Exactly the wrong type of examples to use

Emme

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

And then all we hear is the government only look after the rich and not the poor??????????

The government looks after the super rich and the welfare class. Everyone else has to cough up to support them and live a beans and toast lifestyle in order to do so.

I cannot understand why trade unions are not fighting harder for pay increases or tax reform for working people who cannot cope financially. People are cancelling trade union membership because they can no longer afford the union dues which unions take while doing nothing for workers.

The Margaret Cash case is not unique but it has unleashed a sense of rage and injustice in many people who get up early, have long commutes, work long hours and often return home to a cold house in winter because they have to economise on heating costs. They do without necessary trips to the doctor and dentist because they cannot afford it. Meanwhile those on medical cards clog up doctors' and dentists' surgeries.

The coping classes are too tired and beleaguered to arrange a march on Dail Eireann and the government knows it. The trade unions have been paid off so they do nothing for workers. That's why the government keeps hitting on us and taxing us more every year.

I commute by train every day - a crammed journey of more than an hour each way. Looking at the working people around me I see men and women who are too exhausted to think let alone be angry. People who are burnt out but have no choice but to keep going. People who will have to work until they are 70 to foot the ever increasing welfare bill. People who have been badly let down by the government. People who are being laughed at by the likes of Margaret Cash and others who milk the welfare system for what it's worth.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

What do you think Ms. Cash should name her future children?

How about...

Moe Cash
Max Cash
Seymour Cash
Lotta Cash
Anita Cash
Robin Cash

This really gets my goat. Made homeless with 5 kids and then have another anyway! WTAF?

https://www.facebook.com/hometruthsire/

“I was first made homeless in May 2016 with my partner and five kids.
We were accommodated by homeless services in the town that I live in. Two months later, homeless services got us a house that they had for big families.
In December last year while I was four months pregnant with my last baby, they pulled the house from us because they needed it for a bigger family. They told us that they could no longer accommodate us because they had no where to put us.
We start staying in hostels with our kids but we found it extremely hard, as we had little or no income. So myself and my partner slept in a van while my kids were split up staying with different family members. We did this every night for three months.
These family members are no longer available to look after my kids and I don’t want my family split up again. I was going through an enormous amount of stress and my baby stopped developing in my womb.
With hard coaxing and a battle long fought, homeless services found us rooms in a few different hotels until my baby was born in May. Then they put us in student accommodation for 2 months, which was great as there was cooking facilities and plenty of room for the kids to play, rather than been stuck in a room all the time.
Two weeks ago, homeless services called an urgent meeting with myself and my partner. They told us that they were suspending our services as they have nowhere to put us, and that they had received complaints about us over this two-month period that we were in student accommodation. They have no proof whatsoever of these complaints. I asked them where was I supposed to go with my kids, if they wouldn’t help me anymore because of the lies that some malicious person told. Their answer was ‘we do not know’.
It just goes to show how corrupt our country is when a homeless service who is supposed to take people out of homelessness put myself and my family back into it for the second time.
Homeless services are now taking me and my kids back on. They’re putting us up in a B&B tomorrow, but they’re refusing to accommodate my partner as he doesn’t pass for homeless services.
They’re saying that I’m not allowed any visitors in my accommodation, and that includes my partner. If my partner is around the accommodation, they will pull their services from me and I’ll be left on the street again.
We have everybody - doctors, social services, family services etc - saying I need my partner living with me, as I have six kids and I can’t do everything on my own, but homeless services are digging in their heels."

KrustyUCC

Deleted User wrote: »

This really gets my goat. Made homeless with 5 kids and then have another anyway! WTAF?

Sure the good old taxpayer will just pick up the bill

No worries

dermo888

If any of us 'normals' speak out against Cash and her kind - we'll be condemned as 'racist', 'Thatcherite' and a whole plethora of insults designed to divide and denigrate us.
What use is it going to be to help this woman, because - rest assured, a few of those kids better get used to sleeping in Garda stations if their Fathers career choice is anything to go by. 

The welfare state was designed to help the working classes of this country, who have been crushed by neo-liberal lies for the past thirty years. It was never intended to help out the non working class, such as Margaret Cash.

Autecher

Deleted User wrote: »

This really gets my goat. Made homeless with 5 kids and then have another anyway! WTAF?

That's what I think annoys me the most about Margaret Cash. She had 1 child, went on to the housing list and then had 6 more kids while waiting for her accommodation! That's just crazy stuff, she must have had the attitude of 'the more kids I have, the bigger the house I'll get will be'.

PlaneSpeeking

Deleted User wrote: »

This really gets my goat. Made homeless with 5 kids and then have another anyway! WTAF?

https://www.facebook.com/hometruthsire/

“I was first made homeless in May 2016 with my partner and five kids.
We were accommodated by homeless services in the town that I live in. Two months later, homeless services got us a house that they had for big families.
In December last year while I was four months pregnant with my last baby, they pulled the house from us because they needed it for a bigger family. They told us that they could no longer accommodate us because they had no where to put us.
We start staying in hostels with our kids but we found it extremely hard, as we had little or no income. So myself and my partner slept in a van while my kids were split up staying with different family members. We did this every night for three months.
These family members are no longer available to look after my kids and I don’t want my family split up again. I was going through an enormous amount of stress and my baby stopped developing in my womb.
With hard coaxing and a battle long fought, homeless services found us rooms in a few different hotels until my baby was born in May. Then they put us in student accommodation for 2 months, which was great as there was cooking facilities and plenty of room for the kids to play, rather than been stuck in a room all the time.
Two weeks ago, homeless services called an urgent meeting with myself and my partner. They told us that they were suspending our services as they have nowhere to put us, and that they had received complaints about us over this two-month period that we were in student accommodation. They have no proof whatsoever of these complaints. I asked them where was I supposed to go with my kids, if they wouldn’t help me anymore because of the lies that some malicious person told. Their answer was ‘we do not know’.
It just goes to show how corrupt our country is when a homeless service who is supposed to take people out of homelessness put myself and my family back into it for the second time.
Homeless services are now taking me and my kids back on. They’re putting us up in a B&B tomorrow, but they’re refusing to accommodate my partner as he doesn’t pass for homeless services.
They’re saying that I’m not allowed any visitors in my accommodation, and that includes my partner. If my partner is around the accommodation, they will pull their services from me and I’ll be left on the street again.
We have everybody - doctors, social services, family services etc - saying I need my partner living with me, as I have six kids and I can’t do everything on my own, but homeless services are digging in their heels."

I went to that FB page but it's whine after entitled whine and it began to make me nauseous.

Shakey_jake

Ok im all for discussing this and having a rant over the constant piss taking of the tax payer but at the end of the day we dont have a chance in hell unless we petition the governments and tds

Perhaps someone here can put together 6/7 points of change wed like to see as hard working tax payers

Remember we are the discriminated at this stage

PlaneSpeeking

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I went to that FB page but it's whine after entitled whine and it began to make me nauseous.

I’d like to know why they were evicted from the student accommodation and why her partner isn’t classed as homeless? This would indicate that he’s got a home. If so, why isn’t his family living with him?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Emme wrote: »

I cannot understand why trade unions are not fighting harder for pay increases or tax reform for working people who cannot cope financially. People are cancelling trade union membership because they can no longer afford the union dues which unions take while doing nothing for workers.

The only areas where unions have genuine power anymore are the public sector and the semi-states. But in those cases they're often fighting for the "underpaid" €50k worker to make €70k. The unions just don't care anymore about the €30k worker in the private sector.

I commute by train every day - a crammed journey of more than an hour each way. Looking at the working people around me I see men and women who are too exhausted to think let alone be angry. People who are burnt out but have no choice but to keep going. People who will have to work until they are 70 to foot the ever increasing welfare bill. People who have been badly let down by the government. People who are being laughed at by the likes of Margaret Cash and others who milk the welfare system for what it's worth.

Great post. You're absolutely right that ordinary working people are too tired out working 40 hours a week, maybe commuting 10-15 more, and spending a precious hour with their kids in the evening before bedtime. They're too worried about affording large mortgages or high rent, paying some of the highest childcare costs in the world (with no tax relief), and generally keeping the show on the road to get politically organized.

But the next time you see a politician out canvassing, ask how they define a "fair society." And ask how it's "fair" that those who work hard get nothing but a shafting by Revenue, while those who never lift a finger get everything handed to them. I'd love to hear how they would respond to that question.

PlaneSpeeking

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d like to know why they were evicted from the student accommodation and why her partner isn’t classed as homeless? This would indicate that he’s got a home. If so, why isn’t his family living with him?

Lots of questions we are "evil" for asking apparently!!!!

Emme

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

The only areas where unions have genuine power anymore are the public sector and the semi-states. But in those cases they're often fighting for the "underpaid" €50k worker to make €70k. The unions just don't care anymore about the €30k worker in the private sector.

Unions don't care about the €30K worker in the public sector either. Or indeed anyone earning less than €50K. The unions that used to represent those workers sold them up the river during the last recession and all they do now is pocket union dues every month. In my organisation union shop stewards rarely answer emails from rank and file members. If the workers get a paltry increase the unions are sending bulletins around clapping themselves on the back for it. For what? The workers getting a small percentage back of the cuts they endured 7 years ago never mind the fact that prices have skyrocketed all round since then!

All they want is the union dues every month and are unwilling to do anything for it except to send bulletins around every now and then highlighting injustice in places like Palestine. OK, the situation in Palestine is unfair but talking about it won't put bread on the tables of rank and file union members. They also encourage people to go on weekend protests in Dublin on issues totally unrelated to their work but which are related to an issue which is highlighted in the media at that time. This is fine in theory but if you're a commuter your weekends are precious and you would rather spend that time with your family and catching up on housework which goes undone during the week. The unions are supposed to be working for their members, their members should not feel obliged to go on protests regarding matters totally unrelated to their work.

I am going off topic here. However it would not surprise me if unions encourage workers to go out and march so that the likes of Margaret Cash can be housed while they ignore the far bigger issue of workers being able to afford accommodation within reasonable distance of their jobs.

McGrath5

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

What do you think Ms. Cash should name her future children?

How about...

Moe Cash
Max Cash
Seymour Cash
Lotta Cash
Anita Cash
Robin Cash

Possible scope for a reality TV show?

"Cashing in with the Cash's"

colm_mcm

McGrath5 wrote: »

Possible scope for a reality TV show?

"Cashing in with the Cash's"

Cash in the Attic?

Yer man would have plenty experience.

Emme

McGrath5 wrote: »

Possible scope for a reality TV show?

"Cashing in with the Cash's"

In fairness it isn't just Margaret Cash. She is in the media but there are a lot more people milking the welfare system for what it's worth, many from the settled community and many who see the Irish welfare system as a good thing.

One guy (I can't remember where he was from) said in an interview that he came to Ireland because everyone got the basics. He wasn't working at the time. If he got a job in the meantime he might have changed his mind.

SirChenjin

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Cash herself is not the problem. The system is the problem.

She only has a primary education because travellers take their children out of school at a very early age. The state needs to stop pandering to "traveller culture" and crack down on practices of early school leaving in this community. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. I know that if I took my child out of school at the age of 11 or 12, somebody would soon be knocking on the door to ask questions. So why isn't the law enforced when it comes to travellers?

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.

Great post.
Lots of questions IMO for the next politician asking for our votes.

If this situation has highlighted anything it is the fact that it is absolutely and totally UNFAIR that someone gets 50k odd, into their always outstretched hand while never having contributed anything in any shape or form to the pot from which this seeming endless money flows to people like her.
Still less contributed to society.

And the only reaction from her when she was initially given the apartment in the city was to whine about having to bring the children to school by Luas. Listen carefully, you might hear a sound, it's my heart bleeding. Not.

Shakey_jake

A petition needs to be drafted

We are the one discriminated against

KrustyUCC

This is taken from many peoples post on this thread. Needs a bit of work and I hope I Haven't misrepresented people

Copy, paste, make changes etc

Dear *insert TDs name here*
I refer to the recent coverage of the Margaret Cash case where a ‘homeless’ mother of seven choose to sleep in Tallaght Garda Station. Ms Cash has been name checked by FF, Labour and SF as a stick to beat this government with in terms of the housing crisis. I don't support FG but Margaret Cash is exactly the wrong type of example to use.

By her own admission MS Cash is on the housing list 11 years which means that she first got on the list at 17. Ms Cash left school at 12. The Education (Welfare) Act 2000 says that children must stay in school until age 16 or until they complete three years of post-primary education, whichever is the later. Why was she allowed to do this? Why wasn’t the law enforced?

The story has been spun in the media and by opposition politicians as a Single Homeless mother of 7 sleeps in Garda station with 6 kids rather than Homeless mother of 7 chooses to sleeps in Garda station with 6 kids. It is interesting to note that she was only single whilst the father of the children was on remand in Cloverhill prison.

Indeed Ms Cash has had a family which is 100% dependent on welfare and the generosity of the Irish people.

Welfare reform and tax reform are also urgently needed. Many people in Ireland with college degrees and good jobs can't afford to buy a home or have a family due to the extortionate cost of housing and childcare. If they get a raise or a bonus that could help them, they must hand over 52% of it to the state to fund the so-called "fair society" that the politicians are always warbling on about.

And then there are the welfare dependents, for whom every additional baby adds to the household income and moves the family up the local authority housing list -- so they have every incentive to have big families so that they can get more income and free houses.

A "fair society" is not one where all the benefits go to those who contribute nothing. That's a profoundly unfair society. But things won't change until the majority of Irish people wake up and realize that.
The Margaret Cash case is not unique but it has unleashed a sense of rage and injustice in many people who get up early, have long commutes, work long hours and often return home to a cold house in winter because they have to economise on heating costs. They do without necessary trips to the doctor and dentist because they cannot afford it. Meanwhile those on medical cards clog up doctors' and dentists' surgeries.

The coping classes are too tired and beleaguered to arrange a march on Dail Eireann and the government knows it. That's why the government keeps hitting on us and taxing us more every year.

I commute by car every day 45 or mins each way. Others live in neighbouring counties and commute to Dublin to work by train - a crammed journey of more than an hour each way. They can see working people just trying to make ends meet. Men and women who are too exhausted to think let alone be angry. People who are burnt out but have no choice but to keep going. People who will have to work until they are 70 to foot the ever increasing welfare bill. People who have been badly let down by the government. People who are being laughed at by the likes of Margaret Cash and others who milk the welfare system for what it's worth.

If this situation has highlighted anything it is the fact that it is absolutely and totally UNFAIR that someone gets 50k odd, into their always outstretched hand paid for by the taxpayer while never having contributed anything in any shape or form to the pot from which this seeming endless money flows to people like her.
Still less contributed to society.

And the only reaction from her when she was initially given the apartment in the city was to whine about having to bring the children to school by Luas and that she wants a house in Tallaght near her family.

Others have to buy and live where they can afford to not where they want to live. What make Margaret Cash so special that she can pick and choose where she wants to live?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

cliggg wrote: »

That's what I think annoys me the most about Margaret Cash. She had 1 child, went on to the housing list and then had 6 more kids while waiting for her accommodation! That's just crazy stuff, she must have had the attitude of 'the more kids I have, the bigger the house I'll get will be'.

Cash is now 28 and her oldest child is 11, so it seems that she first got pregnant when she was around 16 or 17. She was already on the housing list when most girls her age were studying for their Leaving Cert. But her timing was unfortunate -- that's also around when the financial crisis hit, so government spending was cut back severely at the same time thousands more people piled onto the social housing waiting list.

I'm guessing she thought she could get into pole position on the list if she just kept popping out babies -- which she did, for a decade. But seven kids and no free house later, she decided that she could up the ante even more by pulling her Garda Station stunt.

I have no doubt that it's the quest for a free house and ever more benefits that has been motivating her all along.

Emme

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

I have no doubt that it's the quest for a free house and ever more benefits that has been motivating her all along.

And many others. It's nothing new. In the early 00s a teacher friend did a stint in a school where a lot of people in the area were on welfare. She was 22 and teaching girls aged 12-18. Some of her pupils were pregnant at the time and this was regarded as completely normal.

The girls asked her if she had a car - she hadn't at the time. They asked her if she had a house - she was renting at the time. One of the girls piped up that her sister of 20 had a house and got it after having 2 children.

When she asked the girls what they wanted to do after they left school some openly said that working was a mugs game and they were going to have children and get a house. Others chose professions such as hairdressing where they could do nixers on the side and get tax free money.

My friend found the girls very savvy compared to some of the middle class girls she had taught in other schools.

They liked her and asked her if they would like them to get her new clothes or shoes because they noticed she was wearing the same clothes and shoes most of the time. She said no and they said to her to go into a shop such as Dunnes or Penneys and they would "lift" whatever she wanted for her!

I cannot understand why the government is saying we will have full employment in 2019 yet so many people are taking from the system and apparently choosing not to work.