Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

mynamejeff

Heres Johnny wrote: »

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Reality tv show idea

'My fanny is a cash machine'

thats about the size of it , the with and debt of it too

Cantona's Collars

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Someone might be able to fill in the blanks here but on Newstalk yesterday evening I heard an interview with the ex-head of one of the travellers rights associations demanding a separate housing list and stock for travellers.

Doesn't seem awfully fair to have one housing list for 40k odd people and one for the rest of us. This whole separate ethnic minority thing is getting out of hand.

They were built halting sites but these days it's the trend to place them into social housing. So now they want their social housing but in estates strictly for themselves. That's basically self imposed ghettoisation.
In one part of my town they bought up virtually every property and guess where ms. Cash and her burglar buddies went robbing? The homes of their own "minority".

Deebles McBeebles

Dannyriver wrote: »

Must be the wonderful living conditions and state aid that has them all living these ideal lives, sitting around all day in plush gowns laughing at all us hard working tax payers paying for their ideal lifestyles.

I'd be dead by 40 too if I sat around doing what I wanted without having to work for anything.

Deebles McBeebles

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I'd be dead by 40 too if I sat around doing what I wanted without having to work for anything.

Would you hire a traveller?

Lets be honest, most people wouldn't. It's a bit rich to complain about the unemployment level within that community, when it's socially acceptable to admit you'd discriminate against a traveller.

Don't lets kid ourselves that we'd all be where we are today if we were born and reared in traveller families. There's this myth that people love to embrace, especially in the middle classes, that 'I am where I am by dint of my own hard work and intelligence'. And that's usually BS.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

About half of all travellers die before their 40th birthdays.

Where did you get that figure?

Dannyriver

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I'd be dead by 40 too if I sat around doing what I wanted without having to work for anything.

So you think addiction/violence/depression and suicide are a choice yeah?

Judson Calm Remote

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Where did you get that figure?

It comes from a major survey, published about 10 years ago, called Travellers' Last Rights: Responding to Death in a Cultural Context


The same study found that 1 in 10 traveller infants die before the age of two (ten times higher than the typical infant death rate)

Deebles McBeebles

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Would you hire a traveller?

Nope.

Dannyriver wrote: »

So you think addiction/violence/depression and suicide are a choice yeah?

I think in certain circumstances they are symptoms of a lifestyle choice. Symptoms that can be felt by any member of society, not just travellers.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It comes from a major survey, published about 10 years ago, called Travellers' Last Rights: Responding to Death in a Cultural Context

Thanks. I just looked it up.

The findings are contained in a new book, 'Travellers' Last Rights: Responding to Death in a Cultural Context', compiled by the Parish of the Travelling People from data related to 255 people and collated between 1995 and 2004 in the Dublin area.

I'd note that the Parish of the Travelling People is a religious group, and so I'd wonder about their qualifications to compile mortality statistics? Also, the conclusions are based on data on just 255 people? And the data were collated between 1995 and 2004, so some of the data is over 20 years old?

The All-Ireland Traveller Health Study, released in 2010, does show that travellers have lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than the settled population. Life expectancy for travellers is estimated to be 61.7 for men and 70.1 for women, while infant mortality in the traveller population is estimated at 14.1 per 1,000 live births. But I find it hard to reconcile these stats with the claim that half of all travellers die before age 40 or that 10 percent of traveller children die before age 2.

Dannyriver

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Thanks. I just looked it up.



I'd note that the Parish of the Travelling People is a religious group, and so I'd wonder about their qualifications to compile mortality statistics? Also, the conclusions are based on data on just 255 people? And the data were collated between 1995 and 2004, so some of the data is over 20 years old?

The All-Ireland Traveller Health Study, released in 2010, does show that travellers have lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than the settled population. Life expectancy for travellers is estimated to be 61.7 for men and 70.1 for women, while infant mortality in the traveller population is estimated at 14.1 per 1,000 live births. But I find it hard to reconcile these stats with the claim that half of all travellers die before age 40 or that 10 percent of traveller children die before age 2.

Aw that s alright then what s a few years and baby deaths between friends

PlaneSpeeking

Dannyriver wrote: »

Aw that s alright then what s a few years and baby deaths between friends

And you attach no individual responsibility to the community themselves for the figures ?

Naive at best.

jay0109

Dannyriver wrote: »

Aw that s alright then what s a few years and baby deaths between friends

" a few years"
Just the 20 to 30 extra years. But sher, keep going as you are- find another tangent to go off on until that too is refuted :rolleyes:

Dannyriver

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

And you attach no individual responsibility to the community themselves for the figures ?

Naive at best.

There are a whole raft of sociological/psychological and anthropological studies and literature out there that explain the complexities of the situation that travelers as a community find themselves in. I certainly won't be doing your homework for you.

ParkRunner

Not sure if this was posted already, a Romanian family ended up staying in a hospital due to no space in a Garda station. The Cash case was referenced also

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/family-including-six-children-forced-to-sleep-in-hospital-as-they-had-nowhere-to-go-37312080.html

KrustyUCC

It was mentioned alright

Unlike Ms Cash the Roma as EU citizens that cannot support themselves could simple be sent home

Job done and at very little expense to the taxpayer

gwalk

6 adults and 6 kids tickets for the next vehicle to Romania

job done

pay your way or F*ck off

Victor Meldrew

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Would you hire a traveller?

Lets be honest, most people wouldn't. It's a bit rich to complain about the unemployment level within that community, when it's socially acceptable to admit you'd discriminate against a traveller.

Don't lets kid ourselves that we'd all be where we are today if we were born and reared in traveller families. There's this myth that people love to embrace, especially in the middle classes, that 'I am where I am by dint of my own hard work and intelligence'. And that's usually BS.

Most of us 'are where we are because of what our parents did in making us work at school , or, by dint of inheritance.

The unemployable have their parents to blame. Sometimes there is tragedy that derails a kid, but mostly, it is parenting....

As a parent, I've another 15 to 20 years before my kids can be deemed successfully raised (no judgement till they are around 25, as that is when you can reasonably expect independence)

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Dannyriver wrote: »

There are a whole raft of sociological/psychological and anthropological studies and literature out there that explain the complexities of the situation that travelers as a community find themselves in.

Certainly, there are bucketloads of studies out there that will blame the settled population for the plight of travellers. I'm sure academics have devoted thousands of pages to documenting discrimination against travellers and their marginalization by the settled population. But very few will have been brave enough to look at the impact of travellers' own choices on their situation.

Consider that if Ms Cash had not left school at age 12 and got married at age 15, she might not be in the position she is in today.

Who is to blame for that? I'm sure you'll have some contorted way to blame the settled population -- when in reality it's travellers' own culture that supports these traditions of early school leaving and couples getting married in their mid-teens. The Irish state has even passed laws saying that children have to stay in school till age 16, and that nobody can get married until age 18 -- but travellers blithely ignore those laws, taking their kids out of school regardless and shipping young couples up to the North or off to England so they can get married younger.

Before you try to "explain the complexities of the situation that travelers as a community find themselves in," look at the situation that travellers have created for themselves.

Any other family in Ireland that took their daughter out of school at age 12 and married her off as a child bride at age 15 would have been royally roasted in the court of public opinion, and probably faced prosecution in the courts. But when travellers do it, we're expected to say nothing and turn a blind eye. Why?

Heres Johnny

All this talk of discrimination is nonsense.
I was heavily involved in hiring in a previous career and I had the exact profile of a person I wanted for every job and I did indeed discriminate based on age, gender, nationality

Receptionist and some office admin jobs, young ladies. Good looking most of the time too. Native English speakers only.

Service engineer and manufacturing jobs, men only. Women applied but never once hired one. Couldn't do the jobs.

Men are men and women are women in my eyes. We have different strengths and weaknesses.

Now I'm never going to hire a traveler for either of these jobs. The male traveler in the service engineer job wouldn't get past security on client sites and if he did he would rob the place blind. And rob everything from my company's van and stores too.

The female traveler wouldn't have the telephone manner or the aptitude for the office job. And she'd be off pregnant the whole time.

In both cases colleagues would leave if I made them work with travelers too.

So No, I wouldn't hire them. I know one guy that did because he felt she deserved a chance. The traveler brought her kid in one day and the kid robbed all the cutlery from the canteen.

And I'll tell you one thing for nothing, if a traveler had a job going he wouldn't employ me or anyone settled either. But I'm fine with that.

Gimme A Pound

Yeah one of the realities of business is that companies will obviously say that they comply with the anti discrimination laws but that doesn't mean they actually do. And it can't be proven that they don't.

Not personal - businesses need to make money and supporting ideals isn't always compatible with that. Corporate social responsibility/charity involvement should be the measure of how socially/ethicly aware they are.

Infini

ParkRunner wrote: »

Not sure if this was posted already, a Romanian family ended up staying in a hospital due to no space in a Garda station. The Cash case was referenced also

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/family-including-six-children-forced-to-sleep-in-hospital-as-they-had-nowhere-to-go-37312080.html

In all honestly though if they're Roma then they should be going back to their own country if they have no job's here. Were not part of Schengen and FOM only applies if your employed.

Ain't heartless but when they're not Irish Citizens then they're not our responsibility but the Romanian Government's.

KrustyUCC

Yeah but I can't see the government actually sending them home especially with SF virtue signalling about them

"Deputy O'Broin feels the crisis has plunged to new depths.

He said: "If anybody isn't shocked by the idea of children being forced to sleep on plastic chairs in Garda stations, or in waiting rooms in hospitals, then I think they've lost their moral compass.

"But more importantly than that, what it shows is that the Government's rebuilding Ireland policy is failing, Eoghan Murphy is failing, and until we have a change of policy and minister my fear is things are going to continue to get worse."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/homeless-family-of-12-forced-to-sleep-in-hospital-waiting-room-868621.html

Infini

Infini wrote: »

Were not part of Schengen and FOM only applies if your employed.

Well that's not true.

Some bedside reading for you as regards the limits on freedom of movement

Directive 2004/38/EC
Regulation (EC) No 883/2004
Regulation (EU) No 492/2011

Loves_lorries

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Certainly, there are bucketloads of studies out there that will blame the settled population for the plight of travellers. I'm sure academics have devoted thousands of pages to documenting discrimination against travellers and their marginalization by the settled population. But very few will have been brave enough to look at the impact of travellers' own choices on their situation.

Consider that if Ms Cash had not left school at age 12 and got married at age 15, she might not be in the position she is in today.

Who is to blame for that? I'm sure you'll have some contorted way to blame the settled population -- when in reality it's travellers' own culture that supports these traditions of early school leaving and couples getting married in their mid-teens. The Irish state has even passed laws saying that children have to stay in school till age 16, and that nobody can get married until age 18 -- but travellers blithely ignore those laws, taking their kids out of school regardless and shipping young couples up to the North or off to England so they can get married younger.

Before you try to "explain the complexities of the situation that travelers as a community find themselves in," look at the situation that travellers have created for themselves.

Any other family in Ireland that took their daughter out of school at age 12 and married her off as a child bride at age 15 would have been royally roasted in the court of public opinion, and probably faced prosecution in the courts. But when travellers do it, we're expected to say nothing and turn a blind eye. Why?

Political correctness.

If you fit a minority profile, you are not held to the same standards, bad behaviour can be excused

We saw it with Serena a few days ago.

Travellers are sacred cows of the PC Left

DEFTLEFTHAND

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Political correctness.

If you fit a minority profile, you are not held to the same standards, bad behaviour can be excused

We saw it with Serena a few days ago.

Travellers are sacred cows of the PC Left

This is also know as 'The Bigotry of Low Expectations'.

Heres Johnny

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Yeah one of the realities of business is that companies will obviously say that they comply with the anti discrimination laws but that doesn't mean they actually do. And it can't be proven that they don't.

Not personal - businesses need to make money and supporting ideals isn't always compatible with that. Corporate social responsibility/charity involvement should be the measure of how socially/ethicly aware they are.

It's all just lip service to anti discrimination laws. There's not a thing that can be done about it because there's no way it can be proven you weren't hired because you are a young, old, woman, man, gay, straight, traveler, settled, have kids and plan to have 5 more, black, white or yellow.
Someone else was just a better fit, hiring is subjective.

I did hire loads of eastern Europeans though and as far as I know they're still there. They're honest, hard working and capable of the jobs that were being advertised.

Loves_lorries

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This is also know as 'The Bigotry of Low Expectations'.

Of course it is but indulging dysfunctionality within the traveller community is at this stage a form of intellectual mastrubation for middle class lefties beit in media or academia, it does nothing whatsoever for travellers themselves and I don't think the luvvies even intend it to.

Media luvvies despise the average middle class person (as much as socialist politicians) and know that not telling the truth about traveller crime and dysfunctionality annoys us, it's why they do it.

Gimme A Pound

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This is also know as 'The Bigotry of Low Expectations'.

The Guardian:

White woman choosing to be over sexualised = objectification, victim of the patriarchy, manipulated, a victim, a slave, lost.

Black woman choosing to be over sexualised (e.g. Nicki Minaj) = empowered, celebrating black female sexuality.

Loves_lorries

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

The Guardian:

White woman choosing to be over sexualised = objectification, victim of the patriarchy, manipulated, a victim, a slave, lost.

Black woman choosing to be over sexualised (e.g. Nicki Minaj) = empowered, celebrating black female sexuality.

Irish Times

Middle class Rugby guys do bad stuff = toxic masculinity

John Connors claims bare knuckle fights are good way to resolve disputes = champion of ethnic community and fighting discrimination.

Sassygirl1999

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Irish Times

Middle class Rugby guys do bad stuff = toxic masculinity

John Connors claims bare knuckle fights are good way to resolve disputes = champion of ethnic community and fighting discrimination.

apparently Romanian airlines are selling family tickets to ireland for cheap

NasserShammaz

ParkRunner wrote: »

Not sure if this was posted already, a Romanian family ended up staying in a hospital due to no space in a Garda station. The Cash case was referenced also

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/family-including-six-children-forced-to-sleep-in-hospital-as-they-had-nowhere-to-go-37312080.html

Plenty of room in Romania Ill pay for the taxi to the airport if they want no prob

jay0109

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Irish Times

Middle class Rugby guys do bad stuff = high jinks

GAA middle class or soccer working class lads do bad stuff = toxic masculinity

John Connors claims bare knuckle fights are good way to resolve disputes = champion of ethnic community and fighting discrimination.

I fixed that for you

Purple Mountain

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

What do you think Ms. Cash should name her future children?

How about...

Moe Cash
Max Cash
Seymour Cash
Lotta Cash
Anita Cash
Robin Cash

Conn Cash??
Although it's the state that's the real con not the claimant.

Happy4all

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Conn Cash??
Although it's the state that's the real con not the claimant.

Gimme
Free

Sassygirl1999

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Conn Cash??
Although it's the state that's the real con not the claimant.

cash cash

Wheeliebin30

It’s time for a cashless society...

Sassygirl1999

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

It’s time for a cashless society...

cash aside

CeilingFly

Dannyriver wrote: »

Aw that s alright then what s a few years and baby deaths between friends

22% of male Traveller deaths are from car crashes. Alcohol is a contributing factor in the majority of cases.

mynamejeff

CeilingFly wrote: »

22% of male Traveller deaths are from car crashes. Alcohol is a contributing factor in the majority of cases.

and running from the scene of a crime is a factor in how many ???


https://www.herald.ie/news/young-man-who-died-in-garda-pursuit-crash-was-in-city-for-funeral-37205247.html

pablo128

For everyone saying travellers can't get jobs, there is nothing stopping them starting up their own business. I'm sure there are numerous courses they can go on to learn how to run a business and they would probably qualify for a grant.

Jimmy.

Are any of the seven children gluten intolerant?

pablo128

pablo128 wrote: »

For everyone saying travellers can't get jobs, there is nothing stopping them starting up their own business. I'm sure there are numerous courses they can go on to learn how to run a business and they would probably qualify for a grant.

People on this thread are openly admitting that they wouldn't *hire* a traveller, and you seriously think they'd be in debt to one, or trust them in the sale or supply of goods?

Are you serious, now? People do not trust travellers.

I've always gotten on well with travellers personally, but I don't see how anyone can claim to be this naive; there is an enormous amount of suspicion towards travellers. It's no wonder that a huge amount of them cannot find work.

Gimme A Pound

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

here is an enormous amount of suspicion towards travellers. It's no wonder that a huge amount of them cannot find work.

Plus the whole disproportionate amount of problems in their own community thing.

Jedidiah Lazy Moped

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Plus the the whole disproportionate amount of problems in their own community thing.

Of course. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it. The community has enormous social problems, which are well documented, and they also face huge discrimination.

I'm not sure which came first, it's probably only academic, by now.

But something has to give, and i don't foresee the situation being resolved without both travellers and the settled community changing their ways.

jippo nolan

Igotadose wrote: »

Cash for your Trash

Cash for gash!

mynamejeff

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Of course. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it. The community has enormous social problems, which are well documented, and they also face huge discrimination.

I'm not sure which came first, it's probably only academic, by now.

But something has to give, and i don't foresee the situation being resolved without both travellers and the settled community changing their ways.

Damn those settled people objecting to being robbed and brutalized by gangs of travellers roaming the country side with impunity conscious or consequence.

how fcuking dare those law abiding tax paying citizens make a noise the bastards

BTW your coming across as some one who claims to have lots of contact with travelers but really doesnt .

PlaneSpeeking

Jimmy. wrote: »

Are any of the seven children gluten intolerant?

I bet they are now.

PlaneSpeeking

Heads up boys and girls, the pox Connors on the LLS tonight talking social housing.

I'm sure Tubs will give him a rough go over the glorifying theft and vandalism at Lidl this year.

I also believe in fairies.

Wheeliebin30

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Heads up boys and girls, the pox Connors on the LLS tonight talking social housing.

I'm sure Tubs will give him a rough go over the glorifying theft and vandalism at Lidl this year.

I also believe in fairies.

Ahhhhhh no.

That’s an early night for me so.

Autecher

Jimmy. wrote: »

Are any of the seven children gluten intolerant?

If the government announced a Gluten Free Food Scheme for "Low Income Families" then I'm sure they soon would be....