Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

LLMMLL

markodaly wrote: »

So, the spent last night at a Garda station. Where did they stay the night before last? What are the actual facts and circumstances here?

Smell like a hoax and setup to me.

Where did the other 7 families who presented at Garda stations last night sleep the previous night?

Where did any homeless person sleep the night before they were made homeless.

ALL SCAMMERS

LLMMLL

Gatling wrote: »

So where did the 7 others go during the photoshoot ,

Did they have to wait outside .
Did they find their own accommodation

Um you do know they weren’t all in the same Garda station.....

dhaughton99

The Nal wrote: »

Haha is this true?

It certainly not the first time he has spent the night in Tallaght Garda station.

Sleeper12

One eyed Jack wrote:

You’re not even calling her out, you started a thread you had to have known would go to shìt fairly sharpish, and then claimed that her case would be used in future threads about homelessness. Well you started it by taking a dump on her in the first place and fuelling speculation about her circumstances.

It's scammers like her get all homeless a bad name. What usually happens is she becomes the poster child for the cause. Then in coming days or weeks it turns out that she turned down two houses because they weren't next door to her mother. You'll find that her Facebook account dissappears because she might have photos of her family holiday in Disneyland.

Exploiting your children isn't the way to highlight the cause.

LLMMLL

stratowide wrote: »

To get to the top of the housing list ASAP..

So you don’t believe there has ever been a genuine need to seek emergency shelter at a Garda station and anyone who has ever done this is a scammer?

BadBannana

Interesting to see that she was out drinking and bought some crystal vases to "treat" herself. Not that I don't think the unemployed should be allowed to but two cases of beer and a naggin are far from a quiet pint and just irresponsible when you've got 7 kids

DONTMATTER

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's scammers like her get all homeless a bad name. What usually happens is she becomes the poster child for the cause. Then in coming days or weeks it turns out that she turned down two houses because they weren't next door to her mother. You'll find that her Facebook account dissappears because she might have photos of her family holiday in Disneyland.

Exploiting your children isn't the way to highlight the cause.

Proof?

BorneTobyWilde

What a C untry .
Build some houses, there is a whole country to build homes . World does not revolve around Dublin.
Dublin is nothing like the rest of Ireland. I sometime wonder do the people of Dublin know what it's like elsewhere.
In Finland if you become homeless they instantly issue you a PERMANENT flat, not move you A-Z forever.

The Nal

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Exploiting your children isn't the way to highlight the cause.

Well its worked. Travellers though, having loads of kids for more money from the state is standard.

LorelaiG

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It's all a major hoax involving the gardaí, the media, the families and so on. In fact the whole homeless crisis is a hoax, the people living on the streets are just mannequins looking for free houses.

Come off it, nowhere did I claim this was a hoax. The woman who posted this picture has had people who know her discredit her though, which I'd put more weight on than anything else.

LLMMLL

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You are putting words in my mouth here. I never claimed SVP had any views on this case at all. In fact I claimed that this woman would have been helped yesterday if she notified the charities in the morning. Scamming or not.

I also never said that she wasn't homeless. I said that she could easily have gotten beds for her children last night if she asked earlier in the day. She wasn't tossed into the street yesterday

Now you are mixing up their official stance & their own personal view. Yes they take everything at face value and yes some people rip them off but at least they still get to help the ones who need it because they help everyone who asks.

However don't for a second think that they can't pick out the scammers a mile away. I've gone to do work on behalf of SVP and when I get there I know it's a scam. I still carry out the work required. Scam or not. That's nothing to do with it me. The genuine cases far outweigh the scams

Right I’ve worked with them too. And there are cases where I was almost certain there were exaggerations and lies, cases where I suspected there were, cases I believed were genuine and later turned out to be exaggeration and lies.

Just because you did some work with SVP doesn’t mean you’re some amazing scam detector. There are people volunteering for decades there who get it wrong.

Blazer

LLMMLL wrote: »

What suggestions are you looking for?

What’s the LON thread got to do with anything?

Bizarre post.

Well every single post if yours in no matter what thread you’re on, is arguing with people and saying their opinion is wrong. Yet you never once out across an alternative solution.
I’m guessing you’re one of these people that take offense at every little slight and think they’re saving the planet while doing so. You do the same on the Louise o’neill Thread, the trans thread, the metoo thread etc.
You’re a complainer not a doer.
You seem unable to offer alternatives is my point. Which is a serious lack of debating skills

LLMMLL

markodaly wrote: »

You didn't answer my question, what are the facts of the case and where did they stay the night before?

How are we supposed to know that?

But just because we don’t know the full facts of the case doesn’t mean we can decide we can guess and that it’s a scam.

DONTMATTER

LorelaiG wrote: »

Come off it, nowhere did I claim this was a hoax. The woman who posted this picture has had people who know her discredit her though, which I'd put more weight on than anything else.

Proof? Also what about the other 7 families?

Sleeper12

DONTMATTER wrote:

Proof?

You will have to wait a few days or weeks for that. Almost every poster child for homeless has been fake and they hurt the cause. Sleeping outside the dcc office in a tent isn't the way to skip the other people on the list. They are usually so stupid that they leave the Disney photos on Facebook.

I'm genuinely supprised at the amount of people who do not care about the homeless people above her on the list that she is trying to skip.

I feel for all homeless people not just the ones who stage a photo shoot

DONTMATTER

People are just making up stuff with no proof, all to have a go at those unfortunate to be dependant on social welfare. Oh they're all just looking for free houses and getting more benefits rabble rabble rabble.

LLMMLL

Blazer wrote: »

Well every single post if yours in no matter what thread you’re on, is arguing with people and saying their opinion is wrong. Yet you never once out across an alternative solution.
I’m guessing you’re one of these people that take offense at every little slight and think they’re saving the planet while doing so. You do the same on the Louise o’neill Thread, the trans thread, the metoo thread etc.
You’re a complainer not a doer.
You seem unable to offer alternatives is my point. Which is a serious lack of debating skills

This is a thread claiming that an individual is taking part in a hoax. Again what solutions are you looking for?

What solutions would be relevant in the LON thread? What’s the problem you’re looking for a solution to there?

Also you’re claiming you’re a doer? Have you done anything to set up your right wing party? Please tell us all you’ve DONE to make his dream a reality.

DONTMATTER

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You will have to wait a few days or weeks for that. Almost every poster child for homeless has been fake and they hurt the cause. Sleeping outside the dcc office in a tent isn't the way to skip the other people on the list. They are usually so stupid that they leave the Disney photos on Facebook.

I'm genuinely supprised at the amount of people who do not care about the homeless people above her on the list that she is trying to skip.

I feel for all homeless people not just the ones who stage a photo shoot

So you have no proof and are just making assumptions.

gctest50

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Proof? Also what about the other 7 families?

What's with the sudden upsurge on the same week this happened :

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057899507


?

DONTMATTER

gctest50 wrote: »

What's with the sudden upsurge on the same week this happened :

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057899507


?

How do you know there's an upsurge? This could be a regular thing.

LLMMLL

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You will have to wait a few days or weeks for that. Almost every poster child for homeless has been fake and they hurt the cause. Sleeping outside the dcc office in a tent isn't the way to skip the other people on the list. They are usually so stupid that they leave the Disney photos on Facebook.

I'm genuinely supprised at the amount of people who do not care about the homeless people above her on the list that she is trying to skip.

I feel for all homeless people not just the ones who stage a photo shoot

You have no idea why she ended up presenting to that garda station last night. Stop pretending you do.

Gatling

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Maybe it wasn't a photoshoot and

The question is where are the 7 other families during the photoshoot ,

Tallaght Garda station is quite small

DONTMATTER

Gatling wrote: »

The question is where are the 7 other families during the photoshoot ,

Tallaght Garda station is quite small

Maybe you should read the statement again?

"Alongside that, there were eight other families that were referred to Garda Stations because of a lack of accommodation."

LLMMLL

Gatling wrote: »

The question is where are the 7 other families during the photoshoot ,

Tallaght Garda station is quite small

They didn’t all go to the same station.....

Gatling

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Maybe you should read the statement

Read the statement now answer the question

gctest50

DONTMATTER wrote: »

How do you know there's an upsurge? This could be a regular thing.

What ? the baby farming they'd be at ?

Have more than X amount and you can't be asked to work and free house and allowance

It'll be fun here in ~25 years time when they all have 7 each

be like kittens

aroundthehouse

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Not true, you need to inform yourself on this matter.

Read the garda statement again. You are wrong.

where in the garda statement does it say this was not a scam?

DONTMATTER

Gatling wrote: »

Read the statement now answer the question

You missed part of my post, here it is again:

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Maybe you should read the statement again?

"Alongside that, there were eight other families that were referred to Garda Stations because of a lack of accommodation."

LLMMLL

Also there were 47-48 families presenting to Garda stations each month in June and July.

ALL SCAMMERS. ALL TRYING TO SKIP THE QUEUE. I READ IT ON FACEBOOK.

DONTMATTER

gctest50 wrote: »

What ? the baby farming they'd be at ?

Have more than X amount and you can't be asked to work and free house and allowance

It'll be fun here in ~25 years time when they all have 7 each

be like kittens

Ok.

DONTMATTER

aroundthehouse wrote: »

where in the garda statement does it say this was not a scam?

Where does it say it was a scam?

LLMMLL

Gatling wrote: »

Read the statement now answer the question

They. Don’t. All. Go. To. The. Same. Station.

Gatling

LLMMLL wrote: »

ALL SCAMMERS. ALL TRYING TO SKIP THE QUEUE. I READ IT ON FACEBOOK.

One family being questioned ,
And rightly so

6 years on the housing list in 2015

3 years later the same homeless family are now 11+ years on the housing list

Do the math

DONTMATTER

Gatling wrote: »

One family being questioned ,
And rightly so

6 years on the housing list in 2015

3 years later the same homeless family are now 11+ years on the housing list

Do the math

At least you now realise your error about the other 8 families. It's not all a scam, some families are really struggling out there. Let's offer them our support.

LLMMLL

Gatling wrote: »

One family being questioned ,
And rightly so

6 years on the housing list in 2015

3 years later the same homeless family are now 11+ years on the housing list

Do the math

I know. The housing list is for people who already have homes. Anyone on the list couldn’t be homeless. SCAM.

Turnipman

LLMMLL wrote: »

What’s your solution to this “problem” and how would it affect the children that they have?

Why did you put flying commas around the word "problem"?

Lillyfae

Gatling wrote: »

LLMMLL wrote: »

ALL SCAMMERS. ALL TRYING TO SKIP THE QUEUE. I READ IT ON FACEBOOK.

One family being questioned ,
And rightly so

6 years on the housing list in 2015

3 years later the same homeless family are now 11+ years on the housing list

Do the math

Isn't it they should be doing the math if they think 6 + 3 = 11. Although the +2 children is where they might be going wrong

Blazer

LLMMLL wrote: »

This is a thread claiming that an individual is taking part in a hoax. Again what solutions are you looking for?

What solutions would be relevant in the LON thread? What’s the problem you’re looking for a solution to there?

Also you’re claiming you’re a doer? Have you done anything to set up your right wing party? Please tell us all you’ve DONE to make his dream a reality.

Point proven!! Thanks very much.
The fact you can’t even offer a simple alternative is proof you’re nowhere as clever as you might think you are.

BadBannana

DONTMATTER wrote: »

At least you now realise your error about the other 8 families. It's not all a scam, some families are really struggling out there. Let's offer them our support.

I'm not entirely sure that poster is arguing we should ignore all families. If he is I take back everything.

But I don't think this particular family should be used as a poster child for the crisis. The bigger this gets the more it'll be trotted out in debates as examples of "dole scroungers" or whatever phrase we're using these days.

I find it abhorrent that this mother would put 7 children in a situation like this. I've worked on council estates, those poor kids are going to have a **** upbringing and this woman plastering their faces all over social media is doing them no favours

aroundthehouse

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Gardaí have confirmed a homeless family of seven took shelter in one of their Dublin stations last night.

Gardaí said in a statement: "A young mother and her six children (aged from 11 years to 1 year) presented at Tallaght GS during the night as they had nowhere to go.

"Members of An Garda Síochána tried all the emergency lines in relation to homeless shelter and no accommodation was located, a number of local hotels were also phoned.

"The family were cared for during the night by the members working and received a hot breakfast this morning in Tallaght GS. The family have now left the Garda station and are on the way to South Dublin Co-Council, Housing Department."

Mr Flynn said: "Well the mother of the family last night posted the picture herself from Tallaght Garda Station of herself and her family of seven that were actually referred to Tallaght Garda Station last night.

"Alongside that, there were eight other families that were referred to Garda Stations because of a lack of accommodation."

So are the 8 other families scammers too? It's time some people faced reality and looked at the real struggles for many. There's a huge homeless crisis, it's real.

wonder if i rocked up to a cop shop in the city tonight and told them i was homeless and took pictures of my family and posted them on the internet saying it was the states fault would i get a fry up the next morning?

LLMMLL

Blazer wrote: »

Point proven!! Thanks very much.
The fact you can’t even offer a simple alternative is proof you’re nowhere as clever as you might think you are.

Alternative to what? Lol you can’t even specify that.

Turnipman

DONTMATTER wrote: »

People are just making up stuff with no proof, all to have a go at those unfortunate to be dependant on social welfare. Oh they're all just looking for free houses and getting more benefits rabble rabble rabble.

Whereas you believe that irresponsible serial breeding by adults who have no intention of or any ability to provide for their kids is the kind of cottage industry that should be supported enthusiastically by the Irish taxpayer.

aroundthehouse

soups05 wrote: »

the solution is a simple one. a pregnancy lasts for 9 months, so lets set a limit at 1 year.

announce now that from next august the benefits will change. cap the limit at two kids ( thats what the average worker can afford) and after that your on your own.

ie you get the benefits for child one and two but no more after that. the current families would be exempt as they made the choice to have kids under the current rules.

no one, ever, will be offered a four bedroom house. you want one, buy your own. if you have 19 kids and counting then fit them all in 3 bedrooms.

This will not solve the current crisis but will break the endless cycle of single mum, multiple kids, who then grow up into single mums with multiple kids.

Let's see how many would be having 6/7/8 kids after that law comes in.

the new abortion laws would be in full swing then

One eyed Jack

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's scammers like her get all homeless a bad name.

You yourself haven’t done people who are homeless any favours by using what you speculate about this woman’s circumstances as the basis for starting a thread just to criticise her, thereby reinforcing the stereotypes of people who are homeless as scammers and people who just want to game the system, pop out kids with gay abandon and then claim a free gaff.

What usually happens is she becomes the poster child for the cause. Then in coming days or weeks it turns out that she turned down two houses because they weren't next door to her mother. You'll find that her Facebook account dissappears because she might have photos of her family holiday in Disneyland.

What usually happens is that “Inspector Clueless” types go sniffing for any shred of evidence to back up their already held perceptions about people. Social media just makes their work that much easier. If I were to judge people I know solely based upon what I could glean from social media, I couldn’t claim to know them at all. They’re completely different people online. Some of them even claim to be living the high life when I know in reality they haven’t a pot to piss in.

As for poster children, well I can tell you that having worked in homeless services myself, I was asked by one charity organisation to be the poster child of their campaign, I told them no for two reasons - I didn’t want to be associated with the inevitable negative publicity and intrusion into my private life, and I would be lying if I were to present myself to the public as someone whom they had offered any assistance. There were plenty of people who are homeless and they could have their pick of the bunch. Those people though wouldn’t have presented the kind of narrative the organisation was hoping to portray about itself. I left the organisation when it became clear they were more concerned about funding and feathering their own nest, than actually providing any sort of assistance to people whom they claimed they were helping.

Point being - you have your own preconceived ideas about people who are experiencing homelessness, and rather than actually helping them, you’re more concerned with helping only those people who make you look better. That’s easily done. What’s much harder is actually helping people who are often a real pain in the tits. They’re still people who need help, not judgement.

Exploiting your children isn't the way to highlight the cause.

She isn’t exploiting her children, she’s highlighting the fact that she and her children are homeless, and using any means at her disposal to do so. I do get why that’s annoying for some people who claim she should have come to them first for help, but I wouldn’t recommend anyone approach some people working in homeless services because all they’ll get is patronising judgement, shìtty attitudes, and being told they aren’t helping themselves by not adhering to that persons perception of how people experiencing homelessness should conduct themselves.

Johnnycanyon

Why did the lady in question not ask her parents for a hand out to buy herself a house? Isn't this how the so called leader of our country reckons we get mortgages to buy houses?

LLMMLL

Turnipman wrote: »

Why did you put flying commas around the word "problem"?

I’ll take it that you don’t have a solution then.

Gatling

LLMMLL wrote: »

I know. The housing list is for people who already have homes. Anyone on the list couldn’t be homeless. SCAM.

Tell that to the homeless people who were featured living In Apollo house 15 months ago, who actually had their own council homes but yet turned up at Apollo house Claiming homeless ( the biggest homeless scam ever)

Also are you claiming 90+000 are homeless

Turnipman

LLMMLL wrote: »

I’ll take it that you don’t have a solution then.

And I'll take it that you are unable to construct an intelligent reply to my simple question.

LLMMLL

Gatling wrote: »

Tell that to the homeless people who were featured living In Apollo house 15 months who actually had their own council homes but yet turned up at Apollo house ( the biggest homeless scam ever)

I have no idea what information you’re referring to here but what has it got to do with the link between being on the housing list and being homeless?

aroundthehouse

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Are some people not getting sleepers point, really?

Let’s take it at face value that she was evicted yesterday and had nowhere to go.

Do posters honestly believe that herself (and her husband) would not have known months in advance that the day of eviction would happen? Why were they not engaging with the relevant agencies to either a) get some payment plan in place to clear the arrears, b) if a payment plan was not accepted, have alternate housing arrangements in place (even emergency accommodation) that started last night.

I’ve no doubt that there are many homeless agencies who would have advised and assisted these parents. So where is their parental responsibility in ensuring that their kids didn’t end up sleeping the night on hard seats in a Garda station.

Sorry, don’t blame everyone else for your **** ups and don’t use your kids as a photo opportunity.

well said, if people think this was a genuine case then they are morons and suckers, are you trying to tell me that between the mother and at least one father of the kids, possibly multiple fathers, that between the whole lot of them there wasnt one other family member, a mother a father, a brother a sister a cousin a grandparent etc. that could have taken them in for the night? and the cheek to rock up at a cop shop and take photos of the kids having a go at the state? what about the dead beat father(s) what about getting a job and a stable environment for the kids? these kids should be taken off this woman and she should be made get a job and the father(s) the same and they get this kids back when they are responsible enough to look after them