Monsanto ruled to have caused man’s cancer

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Messiah Limited Jackhammer wrote: »

Some folks specifically with Jap' knotweed (difficult to eradicate) said bleach injections was the only thing that worked.

Salt on the tarmac, Burner on the Patio.

Or in situations like this, ask what did mankind do over the many thousands of years or growing stuff do in the past?
I.e. put down the sprayer, pick up and tool and apply some elbow grease.

I wonder what are the odds that this complies with the legislation on the control of JK under Statutory Instrument No.477, European Communities (Birds and Natural Habitats) Regulations 2011? Or Statutory Instruments No.155/2012 European Communities (Sustainable Use Of Pesticides) Regulations 2012....or the EU Convention on Biological Diversity?

"Overdosing the plant with herbicide will kill off the above ground material but can often force the plant rhizome into a dormant state, where regrowth can occur again in a few years time. Often this resulting growth is stunted (known as 'bonsai' growth) and makes further treatments less effective due to lack of exposed plant area"
http://www.japaneseknotweedireland.ie/services/japanese-knotweed-chemical-control

This is a potential problem with bleach, how much and what concentration is being used by these so-called folk - not to mention the risks that could arise from this as it's being used as a non-selective toxic herbicide, at least glyosphate is safer in this regard.

Some bedtime reading: https://www.property-care.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Code-of-Practice-for-the-Management-of-Japanese-knotweed_v2.7.pdf

TLDR: Please don't use use bleach as a herbicide

Hotblack Desiato

The idea that a court case can determine what caused a specific cancer in a particular person is completely and utterly ludicrous.

Discodog

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The idea that a court case can determine what caused a specific cancer in a particular person is completely and utterly ludicrous.

Especially when a jury is faced with a poor terminally ill man & a huge corporation who can afford compensation.

Malayalam

Malayalam wrote: »

Our local village store - you know the old fashioned food (aka rashers) and agri-products combination shop - stacks Roundup on the shelves in pride of place. Gobshytes.

What are you on about? Why are they gobshytes for selling a perfecting legal and essential chemical?

We spray extensively with roundup and may other chemicals on large areas (hectares at at time) on the farm depending on what we want to kill (weeds, briars, everything in some instances etc). They are absolutely vital and roundup is one of the most vital. We also spray roadways, yard areas and around the house etc. As someone said earlier nothing but hippy crap, wear PPE and its perfectly safe.

The court case is also utter nonsense and should never had even got this far never mind have actually been one. id expect a strong appeal and would not be surprised to see the decision overturned.

New Home

Didn't they use to say the same about DDT?

Hotblack Desiato

Malayalam wrote: »

Why do you think the EU might have decided to renew its license for 5 years rather than 15?

Because of the same sort of baseless "won't somebody think of the children" Helen Lovejoy carry-on that gives us protests against fluoride, vaccines, nuclear power, incinerators, etc. etc.in spite of the overwhelming scientific evidence that these things are safe


Oh and let me know how you get on hoeing away Japanese Knotweed

skepticalme

It appears Monsanto have been busy buying the science to support Glyphosate and suppressing the science that proves it's cancerous.


This is a look behind the curtain,” said Wisner. “These show that Monsanto has deliberately been stopping studies that look bad for them, ghostwriting literature and engaging in a whole host of corporate malfeasance. They (Monsanto) have been telling everybody that these products are safe because regulators have said they are safe, but it turns out that Monsanto has been in bed with U.S. regulators while misleading European regulators.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/597fc800e4b0d187a5968fbf

Graces7

Sienna Rancid Beachcomber wrote: »

What are you on about? Why are they gobshytes for selling a perfecting legal and essential chemical?

We spray extensively with roundup and may other chemicals on large areas (hectares at at time) on the farm depending on what we want to kill (weeds, briars, everything in some instances etc). They are absolutely vital and roundup is one of the most vital. We also spray roadways, yard areas and around the house etc. As someone said earlier nothing but hippy crap, wear PPE and its perfectly safe.

The court case is also utter nonsense and should never had even got this far never mind have actually been one. id expect a strong appeal and would not be surprised to see the decision overturned.

Not at all. Elbow grease.. round up is also killing our bees...

Discodog

Graces7 wrote: »

Not at all. Elbow grease.. round up is also killing our bees...

Back to hoeing fields :rolleyes:

It hasn't been proven

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

Not at all. Elbow grease.. round up is also killing our bees...

Elbow grease when you want to kill all vegetation on a 4 hectare field? Or to kill briars on a over a mile of roadway and keep them gone.

Elbow grease is a waste of time on its own in most instances, even if you do remove stuff by hand you will be removing it all over again unless you spray the area.

Also the whole roundup is killing bees is a very suspect claim with little back up evidence.

jh79

Here is Dr Robert O'Connors take on it. He is the head of the Irish Cancer Society;

For the average food consumer no studies have found evidence of the levels of glyphosate around us or in our food or water causing any reason to be worried about increased risk of cancer.

What claims there are supporting this agent being carcinogenic indicate that you’d need to be exposed to very (and I mean very!) large amounts for long periods and, even then, the risk, if any, would be very small and associated with a very narrow set of uncommon cancers.

https://medium.com/@robert.oconnor.dcu/is-glyphosate-roundup-a-simple-weedkiller-or-big-cause-of-cancer-5dfaa6a3a42c

Graces7

Sienna Rancid Beachcomber wrote: »

Elbow grease when you want to kill all vegetation on a 4 hectare field? Or to kill briars on a over a mile of roadway and keep them gone.

Elbow grease is a waste of time on its own in most instances, even if you do remove stuff by hand you will be removing it all over again unless you spray the area.

Also the whole roundup is killing bees is a very suspect claim with little back up evidence.

:eek:

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

:eek:

You really have no idea whatsoever about agriculture do you?

Canis Lupus

I just think to myself... the members of the jury that decided Roundup causes cancer are drawn from the same gene pool as:

So really, I'm not sure.

Graces7

Sienna Rancid Beachcomber wrote: »

You really have no idea whatsoever about agriculture do you?

Actually far more than you probably in truth and in practice,

And we respect the land that feeds us and take great care with it.. avoiding fast-fix toxins.

And working with nature.

NB you need to read deeply re bees. If we lose our pollinators we will starve. There is abundant evidence.

Over and out from me on this.

Graces7

PS there is an excellent and informative thread on this on the Farming forum, Cannot post the link but please read it. Birds and bees...

Hotblack Desiato

Graces7 wrote: »

PS there is an excellent and informative thread on this on the Farming forum, Cannot post the link but please read it. Birds and bees...

Read it. Nothing there whatsoever to support your claims.

Now if glyphosate is being used to kill plants bees need, and it's banned and replaced with something else, it'll still be used to kill the plants bees need.