Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

DickSwiveller Returns

Great news coming out of Hungary. Victor Orban's government have stopped universities offering courses in Gender Studies. It's about time these courses were exposed for the unscientific propaganda vehicles they are.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/orban-bans-gender-studies-courses-in-hungary-report-says-1.6365826

DickSwiveller Returns

One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

Mickeroo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1FFVWEQnSM

Ulysses Gaze

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

DickSwiveller Returns

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

They're allowed to teach them but not with State funds. What's the problem?

PlaneSpeeking

Great news - perhaps students can now get back to actual learning and not this rubbish.

Gender Studies Degree ? 20 grand in debt at 22 with a piece of paper not worth a cent.

Yer Da sells Avon

Dem bukes, wha?

Ulysses Gaze

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

They're allowed to teach them but not with State funds. What's the problem?

And how will universities do that if funding is cut for the courses and legally enforced?

DickSwiveller Returns

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And how will universities do that if funding is cut for the courses and legally enforced?

They'll have to raise their own funds. I don't understand what it has to do with free speech, unless you think Free speech means the government should be obliged to pay for useless courses. Gender studies isn't an academic subject. It is ideological nonsense.

Keepaneye

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

What a surprise.

Donald Trump

Keepaneye wrote: »

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

What a surprise.

I heard that there are a lot of protests going on over beyond on some Greek island in the Mediterranean

PlaneSpeeking

Keepaneye wrote: »

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

What a surprise.

Odd - never heard of her but already blocked on her on Twitter!!!

conorhal

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

Any course should involve critical analysis of it's theory. If it doesn't it's not education it's indoctrination. I bet you can guess what would happen on such a course if you wrote a paper on the wage gap that refuted it. Critical analysis is not welcome. These kind of cultish courses are not something I care to see public money spent on. None of these courses have been 'banned' in Hungary, public funding has been withdrawn.

DickSwiveller Returns

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Odd - never heard of her but already blocked on her on Twitter!!!

The snowflakes must have put you on repeal shield. Both my personal account and my troll account are blocked by her too.

Donald Trump

conorhal wrote: »

Any course should involve critical analysis of it's theory. If it doesn't it's not education it's indoctrination. I bet you can guess what would happen on such a course if you wrote a paper on the wage gap that refuted it. Critical analysis is not welcome. These kind of cultish courses are not something I care to see public money spent on. None of these courses have been 'banned' in Hungary, public funding has been withdrawn.

If you suggested on here that some religion courses should not get funding you'd have a feckin' load of support from the hypocritical masses (no pun intended)

Yer Da sells Avon

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

They'll have to raise their own funds. I don't understand what it has to do with free speech, unless you think Free speech means the government should be obliged to pay for useless courses. Gender studies isn't an academic subject. It is ideological nonsense.

You, someone who gives off the impression of having never read an academic journal in his life, do not get to decide what is, or is not, an academic subject, Dick.

jacksie66

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Keepaneye

Have to really laugh out loud at the usual suspects spouting "but der free speech". They've no problem banning free speech when it suits them.

Yer Da sells Avon

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Well, I am the proud holder of a law degree from one of our best universities, Mr Avon. Care to apologise?

You're also, by your own admission, the proud holder of a Twitter 'troll account', so you'll have to excuse me if I take your protestations with a pinch of salt.

DickSwiveller Returns

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You, someone who gives off the impression of having never read an academic journal in his life, do not get to decide what is, or is not, an academic subject, Dick.

Ouch, that hurt. Someone who calls themselves Yer Da sells Avon thinks I've never read an academic journal. I mightn't recover.

conorhal

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You, someone who gives off the impression of having never read an academic journal in his life, do not get to decide what is, or is not, an academic subject, Dick.

At lest he can punctuate. What's your expertise? I have an masters in a related subject which included modules on this very subject, so I'm more then acquainted with these courses.

Yer Da sells Avon

conorhal wrote: »

At lest he can punctuate.

At lest I can speel.

Fiery mutant

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

If she can’t spell ‘challenge’ correctly, her argument is invalid.

DickSwiveller Returns

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You're also, by your own admission, the proud holder of a Twitter 'troll account', so you'll have to excuse me if I take your protestations with a pinch of salt.

Try it some time. It's very enjoyable.

TheValeyard

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

Agreed.

The course seems like complete boll*x.

But it shouldnt banned. Its a dangerous slippery slope when we start banning things.

batgoat

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Great news coming out of Hungary. Victor Orban's government have stopped universities offering courses in Gender Studies. It's about time these courses were exposed for the unscientific propaganda vehicles they are.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/orban-bans-gender-studies-courses-in-hungary-report-says-1.6365826

Hungary is literally becoming a dictatorship at this stage anyway so this is probably the least of their problems. Gender Studies is a perfectly valid field, there's a ton of research in the area and it's an area of study just like history, they even overlap.

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

They'll have to raise their own funds. I don't understand what it has to do with free speech, unless you think Free speech means the government should be obliged to pay for useless courses. Gender studies isn't an academic subject. It is ideological nonsense.

It has more to do with a regressive government that has very much so been cracking down on everything and is found to be engaged in numerous human rights abuses and attacks on NGOs. You'll proudly just come out with a one liner about snowflakes. But I hope you're just ignorant.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/17/hungary-determined-silence-any-critics-left-standing

PlaneSpeeking

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

Agreed.

The course seems like complete boll*x.

But it shouldnt banned. Its a dangerous slippery slope when we start banning things.

See your point but cf Christine Hamilton today - sacked from a charity role for saying if a burka is not sinister why is the KKK - as both cover faces?

Speech is only free nowadays if you fall in line with the narrative.

conorhal

batgoat wrote: »

Hungary is literally becoming a dictatorship at this stage anyway so this is probably the least of their problems. Gender Studies is a perfectly valid field, there's a ton of research in the area and it's an area of study just like history, they even overlap.

Gender studies my be a legitimate field, but lets be honest, what's taught is hell and gone from academic research and has become an ideological cult.

batgoat wrote: »

It has more to do with a regressive government that has very much so been cracking down on everything and is found to be engaged in numerous human rights abuses and attacks on NGOs. You'll proudly just come out with a one liner about snowflakes. But I hope you're just ignorant.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/17/hungary-determined-silence-any-critics-left-standing

It's cracked down on foreign funded Soros NGOs, personally I've no problem with banning anything involving that guy, he interferes in national policy more then your average Russian bot farm.

batgoat

conorhal wrote: »

It's cracked down on foreign funded Soros NGOs, personally I've no problem with banning anything involving that guy, he interferes in national policy more then your average Russian bot farm.

That law didn't just hit George Soros who tends to be a figure that there is much bulll**** about by the way. It targeted any NGO, be it Amnesty or anything else. The reason such laws have been brought in is propaganda. The evil 'globalist' agenda is what Orban is trying to push, he's very much so about smear campaigns and propaganda.

In June, the National Assembly passed a law effectively stigmatizing NGOs that received foreign funding. Under the law on the transparency of organizations funded from abroad, NGOs receiving more than EUR24,000 direct or indirect funding from abroad had to re-register as a “civic organization funded from abroad” and to put this label on every publication. Additionally, the law required NGOs to reveal the identity of their funders and supporters above a threshold of around EUR1,650. The law was adopted amid a government-sponsored communication campaign discrediting NGOs and accusing several of undermining national sovereignty and security. By only covering certain types of civil society organizations, the law directly discriminated against these organizations and imposed limitations on their right to association, including the right to seek, receive and utilize resources. In mid-July, the European Commission notified Hungary of another infringement procedure, based on an assessment that this law imposed measures at odds with the right to freedom of association and unjustified and disproportionate restrictions on the free movement of capital, and raised concerns in relation to the obligation of protecting private life and personal data
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/hungary/report-hungary/

They're on the path away from democracy, that's the reality. The 2017 Democracy Index classifies them as a 'flawed democracy' at the moment. Press Freedom is marked as 'noticeable problems'. In contrast, Ireland is a 'full democracy' and our press is classified as free. So Hungary is nothing to be aspired to at the moment.

meeeeh

Oh so now we are supposed to admire a Central European wannabe dictator. For what exactly? To give morons something to cheer about? I'm sure you can solve whole pile of economic problems just by not financing gender studies.

Cynic in me would think it is not about the subject but because it's usually taught by left leaning lecturers and you don't want to have them on state wage list. They might encourage the students to protest against the government. But that would be just me...

Taytoland

If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?

WinnyThePoo

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You, someone who gives off the impression of having never read an academic journal in his life, do not get to decide what is, or is not, an academic subject, Dick.

Sure he doesn't have the time, to busy trying to take the piss out of abuse victims.

mvl

batgoat wrote: »

Hungary is literally becoming a dictatorship at this stage anyway so this is probably the least of their problems. Gender Studies is a perfectly valid field, there's a ton of research in the area and it's an area of study just like history, they even overlap.



It has more to do with a regressive government that has very much so been cracking down on everything and is found to be engaged in numerous human rights abuses and attacks on NGOs. You'll proudly just come out with a one liner about snowflakes. But I hope you're just ignorant.

Is he really banning courses, or is he not paying for them from his mighty budget anymore ?
Cause I wonder what would anthropologists in Hungary study then ? And if their degrees would be still valid (outside of HU) if there are no longer gender courses included in their curricula ?

... but ... I guess some can plan to study the "Orban effect" - 30 years later.

dr.fuzzenstein

Keepaneye wrote: »

Have to really laugh out loud at the usual suspects spouting "but der free speech". They've no problem banning free speech when it suits them.

Well, if we have to listen to arseholes like Alex Jones, the knuckledraggers should put up with the existence of gender study courses.
It's not like anyone is forced to take them or cut their willy off.
The reaction on this thread shows me that a lot of people feel threatened.
And Hungary is one of the Eastern states that are about to turn into right wing sh*tholes, so I wouldn't take them as a good example.

Sal Butamol

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

One of the Gender studies lecturers in UCD has taken the news well.

https://twitter.com/MaryMcAuliffe4/status/1027934366180286465

Hahahaha Christ on a bike

meeeeh

Taytoland wrote: »

If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?

Oh you think theology should be banned too? I say let them be...

Keepaneye

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, if we have to listen to arseholes like Alex Jones, the knuckledraggers should put up with the existence of gender study courses.
It's not like anyone is forced to take them or cut their willy off.
The reaction on this thread shows me that a lot of people feel threatened.
And Hungary is one of the Eastern states that are about to turn into right wing sh*tholes, so I wouldn't take them as a good example.

About as threatened as your gender studies mates getting their multi-coloured hair in a twist because their social reconstruction cult is getting dismantled.

TheValeyard

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Hahahaha Christ on a bike

Bit of a meltdown alright

meeeeh

Keepaneye wrote: »

About as threatened as your gender studies mates getting their multi-coloured hair in a twist because their social reconstruction cult is getting dismantled.

Ahhh bless another one who thinks it's about the subject of tge studies and not about making sure political critics are silenced.

This type of childlike naivety is quite endearing among 10 year-olds.

defrule

Banning it or removing funding?

Which is it?

meeeeh

defrule wrote: »

Banning it or removing funding?

Which is it?

Removing funding. Subject doesn't matter.

Hotblack Desiato

conorhal wrote: »

Any course should involve critical analysis of it's theory.

That'll go down well in the Theology Department!

Nermal

batgoat wrote: »

They're on the path away from democracy, that's the reality. The 2017 Democracy Index classifies them as a 'flawed democracy' at the moment. Press Freedom is marked as 'noticeable problems'. In contrast, Ireland is a 'full democracy' and our press is classified as free. So Hungary is nothing to be aspired to at the moment.

That would be 'democracy index' published by The Economist, yes? I don't rate the opinions of globalist rags, sorry.

Taytoland

meeeeh wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

If you believe it should be taught and funded then you should think similar for creationism right?

Oh you think theology should be banned too? I say let them be...

If every theory or outlandish claim should be taught in education then fine, make that point. The big question is should it be publicly funded.

meeeeh

Taytoland wrote: »

meeeeh wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

If every theory or outlandish claim should be taught in education then fine, make that point. The big question is should it be publicly funded.

Did he stop funding them too?

I bet you they are more politically acceptable. And deeply scientific stuff that is theology keeps being funded...

DickSwiveller Returns

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Sure he doesn't have the time, to busy trying to take the piss out of abuse victims.

Don't worry. I've stayed away from the hate filled sectarians in the Pope thread for days now. You don't have to worry about encountering an opposing opinion.

batgoat

Nermal wrote: »

That would be 'democracy index' published by The Economist, yes? I don't rate the opinions of globalist rags, sorry.

Human rights org across the globe provide plenty of examples of the issues in Hungary, you'd have to actively ignore the state of the country. They're regressing under a very dodgy government. So shouting 'globalist rag' doesn't change the reality.

DickSwiveller Returns

batgoat wrote: »

Hungary is literally becoming a dictatorship at this stage anyway so this is probably the least of their problems. Gender Studies is a perfectly valid field, there's a ton of research in the area and it's an area of study just like history, they even overlap.


It has more to do with a regressive government that has very much so been cracking down on everything and is found to be engaged in numerous human rights abuses and attacks on NGOs. You'll proudly just come out with a one liner about snowflakes. But I hope you're just ignorant.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/17/hungary-determined-silence-any-critics-left-standing

I admire the Hungarians for standing up to do the EU bullies and the NGO professional money grabbers. They have a fine immigration stance, too.

DickSwiveller Returns

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Agreed.

The course seems like complete boll*x.

But it shouldnt banned. Its a dangerous slippery slope when we start banning things.

It hasn't been banned. The State just isn't funding it anymore - because it's a waste of money.

WinnyThePoo

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Don't worry. I've stayed away from the hate filled sectarians in the Pope thread for days now. You don't have to worry about encountering an opposing opinion.

Nope, you where banned from the thread.

DickSwiveller Returns

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Nope, you where banned from the thread.

True. How are the levels of sectarianism there now? Have they started calling for people to be burned at the stake?