All Ireland football final 2nd September 2018 - MOD NOTE POST #1 #1187 UPDATED

Beechwoodspark

The discussion on Newstalk at moment is entertaining. They are saying micky Harte will be fully confident of having a plan to beat Dublin.

BonnieSituation

I forgot it was a roadshow night. BAWLLS!

Billy Mays

Thought it was on tomorrow

blanch152

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The discussion on Newstalk at moment is entertaining. They are saying micky Harte will be fully confident of having a plan to beat Dublin.

One thing is for certain, you won't beat Dublin playing free-flowing football in a real match, you need to drag them down to a lower level. However, it is possible to beat them if you perfectly execute a cynical approach.

First half: Pulling and dragging, 14 behind the ball, cynical off-the-ball, provoke and frustrate the Dubs and hope one loses the head. Keep the score down by all means.

Second half: First 10 minutes, more of the same. Then switch to a different gameplan, bring on a traditional full-forward and go long. Press up on Dublin kick-outs. Don't give the Dublin sideline time to respond. If you introduce something new from the start, the Dublin thinktank will have the answer before half-time, better to reduce the match to a dirge before introducing a winning tactic.

STB.

Jeez well said powerhouse. You should take up sports writing if you are not doing it already.

Strabanimal

blanch152 wrote: »

One thing is for certain, you won't beat Dublin playing free-flowing football in a real match, you need to drag them down to a lower level. However, it is possible to beat them if you perfectly execute a cynical approach.

This talking up of Dublin is incredible. You had the same points difference vs us in the super 8s and we just beat a team you lost against without any of ours stars or our bench showing up.

You're not the Arsenal invincibles or a current Man City. Stop acting like it.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

One thing is for certain, you won't beat Dublin playing free-flowing football in a real match, you need to drag them down to a lower level. However, it is possible to beat them if you perfectly execute a cynical approach.

First half: Pulling and dragging, 14 behind the ball, cynical off-the-ball, provoke and frustrate the Dubs and hope one loses the head. Keep the score down by all means.

Second half: First 10 minutes, more of the same. Then switch to a different gameplan, bring on a traditional full-forward and go long. Press up on Dublin kick-outs. Don't give the Dublin sideline time to respond. If you introduce something new from the start, the Dublin thinktank will have the answer before half-time, better to reduce the match to a dirge before introducing a winning tactic.

Like what you do when you go one point up with a minute to go?

Pull, drag and push the opposition on the kick out? Wonder what team would do that?

BonnieSituation

Strabanimal wrote: »

This talking up of Dublin is incredible. You had the same points difference vs us in the super 8s and we just beat a team you lost against without any of ours stars or our bench showing up.

You're not the Arsenal invincibles or a current Man City. Stop acting like it.

Well for starters De Bruyne or Henry wouldn't get near our panel.

mfceiling

Strabanimal wrote: »

This talking up of Dublin is incredible.

You're not the Arsenal invincibles or a current Man City. Stop acting like it.

The last 3 years of championship of football would suggest otherwise!!

Grandeeod

Strabanimal wrote: »

This talking up of Dublin is incredible. You had the same points difference vs us in the super 8s and we just beat a team you lost against without any of ours stars or our bench showing up.

You're not the Arsenal invincibles or a current Man City. Stop acting like it.

If the inevitable happens, (and tha'ts what I believe) I hope you stay around for a chat about it. If Tyrone do actually win, I'll happily take whatever you have to offer on the chin. But for now, you are IMO trolling to a little degree. But that's cool. I find it funny.

STB.

Strabanimal wrote: »

This talking up of Dublin is incredible. You had the same points difference vs us in the super 8s and we just beat a team you lost against without any of ours stars or our bench showing up.

You're not the Arsenal invincibles or a current Man City. Stop acting like it.

Where have you been for the last 10 years ? I'll tell you where. Nowhere.

What have ye won in the last 10 years ? Fcukall. That's what.

Dont try and pretend that yis can be compared in any way with a team that are on a four timer and countless league titles.

Strabanimal

STB. wrote: »

Where have you been for the last 10 years ? I'll tell you where. Nowhere.

What have ye won in the last 10 years ? Fcukall. That's what.

Dont try and pretend that yis can be compared in any way with a team that are on a four timer and countless league titles.

The last 10 years after all our players from the team of the decade faded away into retirement? It's called a rebuilding phase. As a Tyrone supporter it's been qf/sf/af guaranteed almost every year even during that.

We won the Ulster championship that has the 3 of the top 4 teams in Ireland in it last year.

Let's see how well this Dublin team and Jim Gavin is doing in 10 years.... compared to ourselves 10 years after our prime.

Billy Mays

Strabanimal wrote: »

This talking up of Dublin is incredible. You had the same points difference vs us in the super 8s and we just beat a team you lost against without any of ours stars or our bench showing up.

You're not the Arsenal invincibles or a current Man City. Stop acting like it.

Is this the dead rubber league game you're referring to?

STB.

Strabanimal wrote: »

The last 10 years after all our players from the team of the decade faded away into retirement? It's called a rebuilding phase. As a Tyrone supporter it's been qf/sf/af guaranteed almost every year even during that.

We won the Ulster championship that has the 3 of the top 4 teams in Ireland in it last year.

Let's see how well this Dublin team and Jim Gavin is doing in 10 years.... compared to ourselves 10 years after our prime.

You haven't been in an all Ireland final for 10 years.

The Ulster championship has 3 of the top 4 teams in Ireland ? Does it really.

Jim Gavin is 5 years in. He's won more in that time that Mickey Harte has in his lifetime.

Come back and try your tough talk when your team actually achieved something other than having the black card introduced.

Strabanimal

STB. wrote: »

You haven't been in an all Ireland final for 10 years.

The Ulster championship has 3 of the top 4 teams in Ireland ? Does it really.

Jim Gavin is 5 years in. He's won more in that time that Mickey Harte has in his lifetime.

Come back and try your tough talk when your team actually achieved something other than having the black card introduced.

I literally just talked about the rebuilding phase and you respond with this... We are in the All Ireland final, as are you. Exact same playing field.

Let's see if Jim Gavin even is around in 10 years time after this prime for a rebuilding phase.

You should come back when you introduce something to the game, literally anything. Nothing you have done during this prime/downfall of other teams has created anything but a copy of a hybrid Tyrone/Donegal style of play. We brought the blanket defence, they brought the system. You have brought absolutely nothing. What star players do you have on the level of Canavan, Cavanagh, O'Neill, Mulligan that were household names? Can't think of any. Is Brogan still trying to be a model maybe? Still not a household name regardless.

ProudDUB

Strabanimal wrote: »

I literally just talked about the rebuilding phase and you respond with this... We are in the All Ireland final, as are you. Exact same playing field.

Let's see if Jim Gavin even is around in 10 years time after this prime for a rebuilding phase.

You should come back when you introduce something to the game, literally anything. Nothing you have done during this prime/downfall of other teams has created anything but a copy of a hybrid Tyrone/Donegal style of play. We brought the blanket defence, they brought the system. You have brought absolutely nothing. What star players do you have on the level of Canavan, Cavanagh, O'Neill, Mulligan that were household names? Can't think of any. Is Brogan still trying to be a model maybe? Still not a household name regardless.

Gosh, you're right. No one has ever heard of Jack McCaffrey or Stephen Cluxton or Bernard Brogan. Maybe we could do something to boost their profile. Set up a GoFundMe page to put up some billboards around Croke Park with their faces on them, or buy some ad space on the Late Late for their latest porn movie, or link to your own Idiots Galore Facebook page to get them a few aul Likes on social meeja. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.

Strabanimal

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yeah, no one has ever heard of Jack McCaffrey or Stephen Cluxton or Bernard Brogan. Maybe we could do something to boost their profile. Send up a GoFundMe page to put up some billboards around Croke Park with their faces on them, or buy some ad space on the Late Late for their latest porn movie, or link to your own Idiots Galore Facebook page to get them a few aul Likes on social meeja. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.

I got the perfect idea! Launch your very own V by Very clothing collection. All those Tyrone household names would have done this!

And sorry, but they aren't household names near what those Tyrone players were back then or even now really. Not even the best in their position atm.

Billy Mays

Strabanimal wrote: »

I literally just talked about the rebuilding phase and you respond with this... We are in the All Ireland final, as are you. Exact same playing field.

Let's see if Jim Gavin even is around in 10 years time after this prime for a rebuilding phase.

You should come back when you introduce something to the game, literally anything. Nothing you have done during this prime/downfall of other teams has created anything but a copy of a hybrid Tyrone/Donegal style of play. We brought the blanket defence, they brought the system. You have brought absolutely nothing. What star players do you have on the level of Canavan, Cavanagh, O'Neill, Mulligan that were household names? Can't think of any. Is Brogan still trying to be a model maybe? Still not a household name regardless.

This guy

Introduce something to the game?

You should google Stephen Cluxton

STB.

Strabanimal wrote: »

I literally just talked about the rebuilding phase and you respond with this... We are in the All Ireland final, as are you. Exact same playing field.

Let's see if Jim Gavin even is around in 10 years time after this prime for a rebuilding phase.

You should come back when you introduce something to the game, literally anything. Nothing you have done during this prime/downfall of other teams has created anything but a copy of a hybrid Tyrone/Donegal style of play. We brought the blanket defence, they brought the system. You have brought absolutely nothing. What star players do you have on the level of Canavan, Cavanagh, O'Neill, Mulligan that were household names? Can't think of any. Is Brogan still trying to be a model maybe? Still not a household name regardless.

I think you need to reread your original posts that prompted the responses.

Brought to the game ? Skill determination resilience.

We've actually dismantled negative defensive teams not embraced them. We've won a few all Irelands and leagues in between. You might not have noticed in your cocoon.

Tyrone will only be remembered in this era for gamesmanship. Certainly none of their players are household! Any why would they be. They've won nothing

Youre delusional pal.

Strabanimal

STB. wrote: »

I think you need to reread your original posts that prompted the responses.

Brought to the game ? Skill determination resilience.

We've actually dismantled negative defensive teams not embraced them. We've won a few all Irelands and leagues in between. You might not have noticed in your cocoon.

Tyrone will only be remembered in this era for gamesmanship. Certainly none of their players are household! Any why would they be. They've won nothing

Youre delusional pal.

"Skill determination resilience."

You've been reading too many self-help books pal. Not the first team to have this. You've brought nothing special.

Dismantled defensive teams? Dublin ARE a defensive team. Vs Donegal with a lead you proved this for the last 15-20mins, vs ourselves you tried to do the same with a lead and we got right on that ass for the last 15mins, missed easy frees and rebounded goal won it for you. I don't know who are seen as defensive if Dublin are not.

spurshero

Dublin will win this pulling up . Tyrone are 6 to 1 in the bookies for a reason . Dublin simply have too much class . Even if Tyrone can stay with them for 50 mins the subs that Dublin then start to bring on fresh will make the difference . All of the subs that Dublin will bring on such as mcmenamon Flynn Costello brogan etc would be starting for Tyrone or any other county in Ireland for that matter . I hope it’s a competitive final but I just don’t see it .

spurshero

Dublin will win this pulling up . Tyrone are 6 to 1 in the bookies for a reason . Dublin simply have too much class . Even if Tyrone can stay with them for 50 mins the subs that Dublin then start to bring on fresh will make the difference . All of the subs that Dublin will bring on such as mcmenamon Flynn Costello brogan etc would be starting for Tyrone or any other county in Ireland for that matter . I hope it’s a competitive final but I just don’t see it .

Strabanimal

spurshero wrote: »

Dublin will win this pulling up . Tyrone are 6 to 1 in the bookies for a reason . Dublin simply have too much class . Even if Tyrone can stay with them for 50 mins the subs that Dublin then start to bring on fresh will make the difference . All of the subs that Dublin will bring on such as mcmenamon Flynn Costello brogan etc would be starting for Tyrone or any other county in Ireland for that matter . I hope it’s a competitive final but I just don’t see it .

Odds are based on how much money is coming in on one side, that's the reason. Pretty simple.

None of those players would be starting for Tyrone btw. You must not have watched the Omagh match vs Dublin. The subs put the Dubs on the backfoot big time in the last 15. So easily forgotten it seems. They put Donegal on the backfoot even moreso late on and got the goal vs Monaghan late on. I see a trend here.

But then again Galway fans have small county syndrome with the Dubs, I expect no more.

aidan24326

Strabanimal wrote: »

Odds are based on how much money is coming in on one side, that's the reason. Pretty simple.

The bookies set the odds at the beginning before any money has come in, and they're usually not too far off. Has there been a flood of money on Tyrone in the meantime? Haven't seen it.

Could Tyrone defy the odds and beat Dublin? Maybe. It's not impossible.

But on all known form and weighing up the relative ability of the two teams it's hard to see anything other than a Dublin win. It's just a question of by how much.

Strabanimal

Strabanimal wrote: »

You must not have watched the Omagh match vs Dublin.

The one Tyrone lost? Or do you mean the league game. Which Tyrone lost. Or last year’s All Ireland Semi-Final where everyone said “Mickey Harte is a tactical genius and he will have something up his sleeve for the Dubs”. Which Tyrone lost.

Hmmm... how to put this in a way you’ll understand...

Strabanimal wrote: »

You must not have watched the Omagh match vs Dublin. I see a trend here.

PARlance

Strabanimal wrote: »

Odds are based on how much money is coming in on one side, that's the reason. Pretty simple.

It's not horse racing horse.

Billy Mays

Strabanimal wrote: »

Odds are based on how much money is coming in on one side, that's the reason. Pretty simple.

None of those players would be starting for Tyrone btw. You must not have watched the Omagh match vs Dublin. The subs put the Dubs on the backfoot big time in the last 15. So easily forgotten it seems. They put Donegal on the backfoot even moreso late on and got the goal vs Monaghan late on. I see a trend here.

But then again Galway fans have small county syndrome with the Dubs, I expect no more.

Which sub got the goal against Monaghan?


You really need to stop making stuff up. It's not a good look

WanderlustIre

Billy Mays wrote: »

Which sub got the goal against Monaghan?


You really need to stop making stuff up. It's not a good look

You will get used to him.

His point is always from an anti Dublin perspective. That's fine I don't mind anyone being anti Dublin but when fought with mistruths and highly dubious statements it should be rejected.

FrancieBrady

Billy Mays wrote: »

Which sub got the goal against Monaghan?


You really need to stop making stuff up. It's not a good look

I think he clearly meant the goal could only have been created by the subs coming on. Takes more than one to create a goal.

Harte's substitutions have been making a name for themselves too as the championship goes on.

This will hold a lot of fascination if the game stays tight.

Billy Mays

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think he clearly meant the goal could only have been created by the subs coming on. Takes more than one to create a goal.

Harte's substitutions have been making a name for themselves too as the championship goes on.

This will hold a lot of fascination if the game stays tight.

That's wrong aswell


Harte, McCann and Sludden were the players involved in the goal

FrancieBrady

Billy Mays wrote: »

That's wrong aswell


Harte, McCann and Sludden were the players involved in the goal

Check out who played the ball that allowed Harte to run straight at the Monaghan defence.

Like only nearly every pundit in the game has referenced Harte's substitutions in the last number of games as being key to success. But stay in denial and divert the thread again if you wish.

I was in Croke Park and they were again key to Tyrone holding out against a Monaghan team that looked like they would go on to win once they got ahead.

Billy Mays

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Check out who played the ball that allowed Harte to run straight at the Monaghan defence.

Like only nearly every pundit in the game has referenced Harte's substitutions in the last number of games as being key to success. But stay in denial and divert the thread again if you wish.

I was in Croke Park and they were again key to Tyrone holding out against a Monaghan team that looked like they would go on to win once they got ahead.

I never said his substitutions haven't had an effect in the last number of games

And in what way am I diverting the thread?


Ironic coming from someone with numerous posts in the thread about Mickey Harte's boycott of RTE. What exactly has that got to do with the All Ireland final?

FrancieBrady

Billy Mays wrote: »

I never said his substitutions haven't had an effect in the last number of games

And in what way am I diverting the thread?


Ironic coming from someone with numerous posts in the thread about Mickey Harte's boycott of RTE. What exactly has that got to do with the All Ireland final?

You are just trying to be pedantic. The subs made a difference. That was his point.
But you had to muscle on to claim he was wrong by picking out the last few players involved in the goal.

*Mickey Harte and RTE was not introduced by me. I responded to comments made by others on his management and the effect of his boycott (entirely relevant to the thread as we are now down to two teams.)

WanderlustIre

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are just trying to be pedantic. The subs made a difference. That was his point.
But you had to muscle on to claim he was wrong by picking out the last few players involved in the goal.

*Mickey Harte and RTE was not introduced by me. I responded to comments made by others on his management and the effect of his boycott (entirely relevant to the thread as we are now down to two teams.)

Francie what’s your prediction for the final?

Billy Mays

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are just trying to be pedantic. The subs made a difference. That was his point.
But you had to muscle on to claim he was wrong by picking out the last few players involved in the goal.

*Mickey Harte and RTE was not introduced by me. I responded to comments made by others on his management and the effect of his boycott (entirely relevant to the thread as we are now down to two teams.)

In what way does Harte's boycott of a tv station effect the all Ireland final?

WanderlustIre

Billy Mays wrote: »

In what way does Harte's boycott of a tv station effect the all Ireland final?

Sort of does for the lead up dress conferences and then on the off chance they win it

Billy Mays

WanderlustIre wrote: »

Sort of does for the lead up dress conferences and then on the off chance they win it

I don't believe it does


What happens (or doesn't happen in this case) in press conferences has no bearing on what happens on the pitch

WanderlustIre

Billy Mays wrote: »

I don't believe it does


What happens (or doesn't happen in this case) in press conferences has no bearing on what happens on the pitch

All Ireland final isn’t just the match for the GAA it’s the build up, the post conferences the whole package

FrancieBrady

Billy Mays wrote: »

In what way does Harte's boycott of a tv station effect the all Ireland final?

Shouldn't you be asking whoever introduced that to the thread?

Personally, it affects my build up to the event, given RTE will be the station/news outlet investing the most in that build-up. Having no access to players who have made a huge commitment to get this far is sad and scandalous.
For me, as a lover of the GAA, the All Ireland is about more than a simple game of football. It should be a celebration of all that is good about the GAA.

FrancieBrady

WanderlustIre wrote: »

Francie what’s your prediction for the final?

Genuinely don't know. Same as my prediction for the Tyrone-Monaghan game.

harpsman

flasher0030 wrote: »

Ok. So he has won all around him. Odds on favourite for 4 in a row. Has a second team that easily has the ability to beat any other county, AND has his team playing the most attractive, exciting brand of football than any other county involved.

How would you define greatness? And please, Francie Brady, don't kick off again that Dublin haven't won All-Irelands by a high enough margin. It was bad enough for you to suggest that it's even relevant, let alone continue the issue for dozens of posts afterwards.

I wouldnt label Brendan Rogers a great manager based on his achievements at Celtic

WanderlustIre

harpsman wrote: »

I wouldnt label Brendan Rogers a great manager based on his achievements at Celtic

Brendan Rogers doesn’t win with his second string. JG does.

James74

See, the problem with having just one or two (but mainly one) posters from a single county is that there's a possibility is that the poster is a feckin' head-the-ball. Not all Tyrone folks have the same demeanor or opinions of a certain Strabanen'ite. It's just that some of us are more readers than contributers.

Of course Dublin are huge favourites, and rightly so. Dublin are objectively a class act team. Whether that is down to overt professionalism, population, management, or just having that current panel of players, matters not one bit to me. Dublin is who we're playing and Dublin are favourites.

Now do we have a chance? I think we have a damn good boxers chance. It's not as dire as the 6/1 on offer in the bookies, but in some Croke Park groundhog day thought experiment Dublin win this final more than Tyrone does. And as much as it galls me to say it, it's MH tinkering with the Tyrone game plan this year that gives us that chance.
After last years debacle I, and many in the county, were looking forward to the post-Harte era. I was honestly surprised when he got the three year management extension. But fúck me if he hasn't gone and developed a system that might (might... for the love of God people, before I'm castigated as delusional, I said might) be the key to unlocking the Dubs. Pressure kickouts, man mark the key playmakers, attack ridiculously fast, defend opposing attacks further up the field, tackle hard fast and without fouling as much as possible, control possession. And do all that with peak conditioning and ability.

Problem is the Dubs do all that as well to the same or a slightly better level. The Dubs also do two things considerably better; calmly and frustratingly maintain possession when they get a lead, and convert their attacks to scores.

As high as Tyrone average scores have been this year, the points that have left behind by inaccuracy and bad decision making on the attack has been worrying. So if Tyrone's hit on one of those days where everything goes over, if we can take that goal chance, if we can rattle Cluxton, if we can defend like bastards, if if if. Then we might take it.

I don't think it's 6/1, but it'll be feckin' tough.

WanderlustIre

James74 wrote: »

See, the problem with having just one or two (but mainly one) posters from a single county is that there's a possibility is that the poster is a feckin' head-the-ball. Not all Tyrone folks have the same demeanor or opinions of a certain Strabanen'ite. It's just that some of us are more readers than contributers

Now do we have a chance? I think we have a damn good boxers chance. It's not as dire as the 6/1 on offer in the bookies, but in some Croke Park groundhog day thought experiment Dublin win this final more than Tyrone does. And as much as it galls me to say it, it's MH tinkering with the Tyrone game plan this year that gives us that chance.
After last years debacle I, and many in the county, were looking forward to the post-Harte era. I was honestly surprised when he got the three year management extension. But fúck me if he hasn't gone and developed a system that might (might... for the love of God people, before I'm castigated as delusional, I said might) be the key to unlocking the Dubs. Pressure kickouts, man mark the key playmakers, attack ridiculously fast, defend opposing attacks further up the field, tackle hard fast and without fouling as much as possible, control possession. And do all that with peak conditioning and ability.

Problem is the Dubs do all that as well to the same or a slightly better level. The Dubs also do two things considerably better; calmly and frustratingly maintain possession when they get a lead, and convert their attacks to scores.

As high as Tyrone average scores have been this year, the points that have left behind by inaccuracy and bad decision making on the attack has been worrying. So if Tyrone's hit on one of those days where everything goes over, if we can take that goal chance, if we can rattle Cluxton, if we can defend like bastards, if if if. Then we might take it.

I don't think it's 6/1, but it'll be feckin' tough.

Good post. I think the football that Tyrone will bring to succeed will be strained football. It will have to get messy and rough, there isn’t many other counties who can bring that style of football.

BUT if Dublin also meet this football with a dogged , challenge everything, O Carroll a style defending Tyrone IMO will end up disjointed and playing into the hands of Dublin.

Dublin may kick wides but they will have the extras to life the slack so if Kilkenny has a stinker, dean rock steps up, if Rock has a stinker, Scully is stepping up, if Scully is off The pace, Flynner, Andrews, Mannion step up.

The dept in this current panel is frightening. When you have Mick fitz sitting on a bench on semi final day it shows where the standard is. ( I disagreed with him there)

James74

WanderlustIre wrote: »

Good post. I think the football that Tyrone will bring to succeed will be strained football. It will have to get messy and rough, there isn’t many other counties who can bring that style of football.

BUT if Dublin also meet this football with a dogged , challenge everything, O Carroll a style defending Tyrone IMO will end up disjointed and playing into the hands of Dublin.

Dublin may kick wides but they will have the extras to life the slack so if Kilkenny has a stinker, dean rock steps up, if Rock has a stinker, Scully is stepping up, if Scully is off The pace, Flynner, Andrews, Mannion step up.

The dept in this current panel is frightening. When you have Mick fitz sitting on a bench on semi final day it shows where the standard is. ( I disagreed with him there)

No doubting Dublin's bench is terrifying. I'm not quite of the opinion that the second fifteen would be AI contenders, but there's definitely only a handful of counties they probably couldn't beat.

And yes if Dublin play to their potential peak and Tyrone play anything less than the near perfect game, then Dublin win.

Don't agree though one the "strained football". For Tyrone to win it will be a development of the pressure higher up the field gamelan that they've been trying out. If they let Dublin methodically pass laterally, probing the midfield and half back line before clinically attacking then it's game over. But I think we've starting seeing Tyrone put pressure on that possession play even right into the opposition half especially on the kickouts.

Anybody that thinks that Tyrone play a singular "blanket defence" (Jaysus I hate that term) haven't watched them this year. They have evolved.

harpsman

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So what would he have to do to get into that conversation?

Harte should be rightly lauded for what he did with Tyrone. And for me was always my favourite coach up to recent times.

O'Dwyer was surely as resource rich as Gavin is now, back then? That Kerry team had money to burn.
And had to play less games against bugger all opposition.

I didnt say he shouldnt be in the conversation. I just said i wouldnt definitively label him THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME based on his achievements with Dublin. If he wins 10 all irelands and 20 leagues with dublin they'll still have a bit of an asterisk

FrancieBrady

James74 wrote: »

No doubting Dublin's bench is terrifying. I'm not quite of the opinion that the second fifteen would be AI contenders, but there's definitely only a handful of counties they probably couldn't beat.

And yes if Dublin play to their potential peak and Tyrone play anything less than the near perfect game, then Dublin win.

Don't agree though one the "strained football". For Tyrone to win it will be a development of the pressure higher up the field gamelan that they've been trying out. If they let Dublin methodically pass laterally, probing the midfield and half back line before clinically attacking then it's game over. But I think we've starting seeing Tyrone put pressure on that possession play even right into the opposition half especially on the kickouts.

Anybody that thinks that Tyrone play a singular "blanket defence" (Jaysus I hate that term) haven't watched them this year. They have evolved.

For all the bluster about subs and second strings the fact remains that in their last AI final Dublin had to pull and drag and have a man blackcarded to hold onto a slender 1 point win.

The psychology of an All Ireland final (which Dublin have been less than convincing in winning) will be the testing ground for the two managers.

ThunbergsAreGo

harpsman wrote: »

I wouldnt label Brendan Rogers a great manager based on his achievements at Celtic

You probably would if they had won a single title in the decade preceding his arrival

WanderlustIre

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For all the bluster about subs and second strings the fact remains that in their last AI final Dublin had to pull and drag and have a man blackcarded to hold onto a slender 1 point win.

The psychology of an All Ireland final (which Dublin have been less than convincing in winning) will be the testing ground for the two managers.

Reality of it is Dublinc closed them out and won those finals. Maybe it wasn’t as pretty and attractive as it was in the early stages but it’s been long hard slogs over the past 4 5 years for the panel. A lot of them have very little time off it’s a long season

spurshero

WanderlustIre wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For all the bluster about subs and second strings the fact remains that in their last AI final Dublin had to pull and drag and have a man blackcarded to hold onto a slender 1 point win.

The psychology of an All Ireland final (which Dublin have been less than convincing in winning) will be the testing ground for the two managers.

Reality of it is Dublinc closed them out and won those finals. Maybe it wasn’t as pretty and attractive as it was in the early stages but it’s been long hard slogs over the past 4 5 years for the panel. A lot of them have very little time off it’s a long season

And In fairness I would have no love for mayo but in my opinion the mayo team of last 5 years were a fair bit better then this Tyrone team . Again that’s just my opinion .