Win for Antifa

mynamejeff

20Cent wrote: »

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/08/it_felt_like_a_war_zone_portla.html

https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/677580706407849763/

this is what a flash bang looks like . the entire thing is plastic apart from the brass bit that stays in the weapon ,

this suspiciously blood free head wound was not caused by one of them

your spoofing pla

The Legend Of Kira

Some reports Antifa assualted/attacked some news journalists and cops over this past weekend.

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1028822724620296192

https://twitter.com/anthonyfurey/status/1029046564155805696

https://twitter.com/bluelivesmtr/status/1029051453623689217

20Cent

mynamejeff wrote: »

https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/677580706407849763/

this is what a flash bang looks like . the entire thing is plastic apart from the brass bit that stays in the weapon ,

this suspiciously blood free head wound was not caused by one of them

your spoofing pla

Perhaps the photo was taken after the wound was cleaned up. Lol
There's a link to more graphic photos in the article if thats what yer into.

Rjd2

Far right website Vox wrote an article about how ANTIFA went after police and journalists once they realised they were no Nazis around.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

ANTIFA while not as awful as the nazis they are supposedly opposing are dire, middle class wannabe communists rebelling for the sake of it.

They should be classified as a terrorist organisation.

Yer Da sells Avon

Rjd2 wrote: »

They should be classified as a terrorist organisation.

They're not even an organisation...

mynamejeff

20Cent wrote: »

Perhaps the photo was taken after the wound was cleaned up. Lol
There's a link to more graphic photos in the article if thats what yer into.

and by cleaning the wound the changed the object lodged in the helmet ? lol

good lad

20Cent

mynamejeff wrote: »

and by cleaning the wound the changed the object lodged in the helmet ? lol

good lad

If it's not to the required narrative it must be fake news.

mynamejeff

20Cent wrote: »

If it's not to the required narrative it must be fake news.

look mate im just repeating what the lizard people told me to say ok ?

Rjd2

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

They're not even an organisation...

Yeah that's a fair point. Unneeded hyperbole, but just because they are not as dire as Nazi *****, doesn't mean they get a pass for been scumbags either.

Sweetemotion

20Cent wrote: »

If it's not to the required narrative it must be fake news.

Sometimes fake news is just fake news.

20Cent

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Sometimes fake news is just fake news.

And sometimes it's not. Like when photos are taken at the scene.

mynamejeff

20Cent wrote: »

And sometimes it's not. Like when photos are taken at the scene.

or later like you said after it was cleared up ?

your a joy to talk to you know that , so easy to point out the mistakes

JohnMc1

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

What about the poor little Nazis' right to free thpeech?

antifa are the Nazis. Their flags resemble them.




https://i.redditmedia.com/m7ZegRVPXLXWrx5hoQ0po3_--Wwp2DgNl7Bi7xe8bRw.png?w=897&

20Cent

mynamejeff wrote: »

or later like you said after it was cleared up ?

your a joy to talk to you know that , so easy to point out the mistakes

Photos of things can be taken at many different times. Near and from far away as well.

Sweetemotion

20Cent wrote: »

And sometimes it's not. Like when photos are taken at the scene.

Those photos weren't take at scene and it wasn't even a flash bang cartridge shown.

That is fake news Peter. You and your little comrades might think you are changing history but all you're doing is repeating it.

20Cent

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Those photos weren't take at scene and it wasn't even a flash bang cartridge shown.

That is fake news Peter. You and your little comrades might think you are changing history but all you're doing is repeating it.

Guy googles flash bang then thinks they must all look the same. Sad.

Sweetemotion

20Cent wrote: »

Guy googles flash bang then thinks they must all look the same. Sad.

What's sad is, that you know it's fake news but can't admit it.

Dohnjoe

20Cent wrote: »

Win for Antifa

A lot of counter-protesters turned up. Some were Antifa, some were BLM, most were locals according to news reports

It was a win for modern principles and society in general, not any specific "group"

Yer Da sells Avon

JohnMc1 wrote: »

antifa are the Nazis. Their flags resemble them.

"Yes, the people who oppose Nazis... they're the real Nazis"

Noveight

A good ol' baton charge. A lot to be learned from the Spanish lads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZl27Ayojvg

mynamejeff

20Cent wrote: »

Photos of things can be taken at many different times. Near and from far away as well.

and you dont see the irony in that statement and the lies your trying to spread ?

20Cent

mynamejeff wrote: »

and you dont see the irony in that statement and the lies your trying to spread ?

Portland police have announced that they are suspending the use of flash bangs for crowd control after several injuries at the recent protest. They must be in on the conspiracy as well.

Outlaw Pete

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

"Yes, the people who oppose "Nazis"... they're the real Nazis"

Fyp.

I mean, Antifa have protested the likes of Ben Shapiro and Candace Owen for heaven sake.

nullzero

Is the irony of an anti fascist group who March around in black uniforms lost on anybody?

A bunch of plebs that are every bit as stupid as the fascist groups they supposedly oppose.

mynamejeff

20Cent wrote: »

Portland police have announced that they are suspending the use of flash bangs for crowd control after several injuries at the recent protest. They must be in on the conspiracy as well.

well considering that that isnt a flashbang round its not really relevant is it ?

post a link , al i see on thier twitter feed is about the two freak shows arrested for assault at the protest

https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


its ok i found your link from a left wing site with no offical link or confirmation

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2018/08/06/portland-police-suspend-use-of-flash-bang-grenades-after-reports-that-several-protesters-were-severely-injured-by-the-weapons/

Captain Obvious

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Fyp.

I mean, Antifa have protested the likes of Ben Shapiro and Candace Owen for heaven sake.

And? It's hardly surprising they don't like hard line conservatives.

20Cent

nullzero wrote: »

Is the irony of an anti fascist group who March around in black uniforms lost on anybody?

A bunch of plebs that are every bit as stupid as the fascist groups they supposedly oppose.

Yes the defining feature of fascism is the colour of their clothes.

Outlaw Pete

Captain Obvious wrote: »

And? It's hardly surprising they don't like hard line conservatives.

They don't only protest Nazis is the point.

topper75

So many hobbies in the world to choose from...

professore

verycool wrote: »

What was I reading / listening to that being / claiming to be anti fascist is the default state?

Oh yeah...!

@4mins 13seconds

The far right should identify as Anti Communist. Give em a taste of their own medicine. People forget that in Nazi Germany it was a toss up between the far left and the far right when Hitler came to power. The vast majority of oppressive genocidal regimes of the 20th century have been run by communist movements who sprung from the likes of Antifa.

Will I Am Not

riffmongous wrote: »

And yet it was the right wing guys too scared to show up

*not an antifa fan but some balance is needed here

Who said they were too scared to show up?

professore

20Cent wrote: »

Yes the defining feature of fascism is the colour of their clothes.

The defining feature of fascism is hate for a group of people. Antifa have that down to a fine art. Anyone white in the US are defined as fascists.

Watching Channel 4 last night I learned that since the fascists weren't allowed march in Charlottesville (so powerful are these far rightists in the US they obey the rule of law). They organised an alternative march in DC. 20 people showed up. Thousands of Antifa supporters showed up in Charlottesville. Something is very wrong here. The far right are a very small fringe group of lunatics in the West. So now the term Alt-right has been twisted by the likes of Antifa to mean anyone not far left.

The far left are very big and growing rapidly. Look at Jeremy Corbyn putting flowers on the grave of a Palestinian terrorist who orchestrated the killing of 11 Israeli athletes in Munich. And the media is just going along with this farce. Very worrying indeed.

professore

Even Vox, the pathetically PC mouthpiece of the Left, wrote a piece criticising Antifa : https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

Chris_Heilong

As far as I see it, this was a loss for Antifa, it proved that the Nazi element in the US is actually just an extremely small movement(last year people on the right showed up not knowing that 'unite the right was a white supremisit group and the news reported hundreds of nazis attended, løl), it proved that Antifa are just in it for a fight and to riot, when there were no Nazis to attack or harass they turned to the police, they attacked an NBC reporter, one of the Antifa guys lost his mask and got attacked by other Antifa members "mistaking" him for a 'Nazi'

This is completely out of hand at this stage and many of the left wing news outlets are purposely not covering it as it goes against their narrative which is very worrying as these kids are extremist and should be referred to as Alt-Left IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwvfh6ZS-7U

Taytoland

Had nothing to do with ANTIFA. It's because last year was an utter disaster for the idiots and many of them lost jobs and have struggled to get onto platforms like facebook or paypal etc.

professore

Some interesting titbits in the principles of Antifa here :https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/antifa/

Antifa has reportedly grown rapidly and has become more active in the wake of Donald Trump’s 2016 Presidential campaign. This surge of activity has been markedly more violent than traditional political protest movements. Though some decry their use of violence as a means of protest, Antifa’s tactics have recently “elicited substantial support from the mainstream left."

Antifa claim inspiration from 1930s-era extreme-left-wing German street protesters opposed to the rising Nazi regime.

Build a culture of non-cooperation with law enforcement. If you have any intention of working with the police, FBI, or other agencies; or if you publicly condemn anti-fascists who break the law: don’t call yourself an anti-fascist. The cops will be Trump supporters; do not collaborate with them.

The Antifa organizing guide states, “Antifascism is not a stand-alone ideology; it is a piece of a whole.” Antifa operations are therefore seen as “a certain set of practices within the broader radical movement against white supremacy… hierarchy and oppression in general.”

Hierarchy in general. Like any civilisation in the world. They want everywhere to be like failed states such as Libya. Or like Pol Pot's Cambodia, where anyone with glasses was executed as an "intellectual".

Antifa groups have one unifying feature, “tracking and countering fascists and white supremacists.” Otherwise, the lack of hierarchy means that each local Antifa chapter decides what causes they choose to fight against. These include, but are by no means limited to:

“Other Radical right-wing forces”
Anti-immigrant movements
The Patriot movement
The militia movement
Islamophobes
Men’s Rights Activists

Mens rights activists campaiging to see their kids are fascists now? Hmmm ...

Antifa groups directly advocate violence and “don’t apologize” when violence breaks out at their rallies. “Their methods are often violent and Antifa leaders admit they’re willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism – as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred.”As one Antifa leader explained, “You have to put your body in the way… and you have to make it speak in the language that they understand. And sometimes that is violence.”

Holy sh1t batman ... something they have in common then with actual far right groups.

There then follows examples of how they have attacked people and smashed up property in several locations. This is all news to me. Apprently Channel 4 last night thought it worthy to send a reporter to Washington DC to film 20 far right people (if that was even the case - they were pretty harmless looking to me - and even if they were Hitler incarnate they won't get far with 20 of them ) while a dangerous group like this wasn't even mentioned, only in the vein of "counter protestors".

Grayson

professore wrote: »

The far right should identify as Anti Communist. Give em a taste of their own medicine. People forget that in Nazi Germany it was a toss up between the far left and the far right when Hitler came to power.

If only there were other parties they could have voted for

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_1930

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

20Cent

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

As far as I see it, this was a loss for Antifa, it proved that the Nazi element in the US is actually just an extremely small movement(last year people on the right showed up not knowing that 'unite the right was a white supremisit group and the news reported hundreds of nazis attended, løl), it proved that Antifa are just in it for a fight and to riot, when there were no Nazis to attack or harass they turned to the police, they attacked an NBC reporter, one of the Antifa guys lost his mask and got attacked by other Antifa members "mistaking" him for a 'Nazi'

This is completely out of hand at this stage and many of the left wing news outlets are purposely not covering it as it goes against their narrative which is very worrying as these kids are extremist and should be referred to as Alt-Left IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwvfh6ZS-7U

Carlson Tucker? Really?

The reason there was only a handful of them is because of the actions last year. Ignoring them, pretending it's not a problem, just letting them march etc doesn't solve anything.

Grayson

professore wrote: »

Some interesting titbits in the principles of Antifa here :https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/antifa/










Hierarchy in general. Like any civilisation in the world. They want everywhere to be like failed states such as Libya. Or like Pol Pot's Cambodia, where anyone with glasses was executed as an "intellectual".



Mens rights activists campaiging to see their kids are fascists now? Hmmm ...




Holy sh1t batman ... something they have in common then with actual far right groups.

There then follows examples of how they have attacked people and smashed up property in several locations. This is all news to me. Apprently Channel 4 last night thought it worthy to send a reporter to Washington DC to film 20 far right people (if that was even the case - they were pretty harmless looking to me - and even if they were Hitler incarnate they won't get far with 20 of them ) while a dangerous group like this wasn't even mentioned, only in the vein of "counter protestors".

Can you make a moral equivalence between someone who believes that violence is necessary in the fight against racism/anti-semitism/etc and someone who is racist?

Because although we would probably both consider violence bad, we could both also say that people like the nazi's at charlottesville are bad too.

And then there's the irony that there are many people who would say that antifa are bad but would say that it's ok to use violence to combat them. So then we end up with people saying that using violence as an anti fascist is bad but violence as an anti-anti-fascist is ok.

The thing is that antifa hurt their own side more. Although they are a small fringe group the one thing the alt right has been great at is turning them into a huge boogeyman. So now time is spent talking about the guys who are anti fascist rather than the nazi's and the far right in general.
And the far right are statistically responsible for more violence and more deaths. the far right in the US has, as far as I can remember, been responsible for more terrorist attacks than any other group.

Grayson

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

As far as I see it, this was a loss for Antifa, it proved that the Nazi element in the US is actually just an extremely small movement(last year people on the right showed up not knowing that 'unite the right was a white supremisit group and the news reported hundreds of nazis attended, løl), it proved that Antifa are just in it for a fight and to riot, when there were no Nazis to attack or harass they turned to the police, they attacked an NBC reporter, one of the Antifa guys lost his mask and got attacked by other Antifa members "mistaking" him for a 'Nazi'

This is completely out of hand at this stage and many of the left wing news outlets are purposely not covering it as it goes against their narrative which is very worrying as these kids are extremist and should be referred to as Alt-Left IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwvfh6ZS-7U

So hundreds of people chanted "jews will not replace us" and didn't realise they were part of an anti Semitic group? Fcuking idiots.

they also managed to ignore all the message board postings and news articles about nazi's beforehand. They must be really stupid.

markodaly

Antifa are just a bunch of middle-class clowns with Daddy issues and men who can't get laid.

JohnMc1

markodaly wrote: »

Antifa are just a bunch of middle-class clowns with Daddy issues and men who can't get laid.

They're a bunch of trust fund babies and Marxist teachers who have deluded themselves into think "They're fighting the power."

professore

Grayson wrote: »

Can you make a moral equivalence between someone who believes that violence is necessary in the fight against racism/anti-semitism/etc and someone who is racist?

Yes in this case - what motivates both is remarkably similar - they have the moral high ground and the others don't. Sometimes violence is necessary to protect freedom or your life. However violence should be a last resort - not official policy.

Grayson wrote: »

Because although we would probably both consider violence bad, we could both also say that people like the nazi's at charlottesville are bad too.

Absolutely.

Grayson wrote: »

And then there's the irony that there are many people who would say that antifa are bad but would say that it's ok to use violence to combat them. So then we end up with people saying that using violence as an anti fascist is bad but violence as an anti-anti-fascist is ok.

I wouldn't say that. However if they are attacking public property and individuals peacefully protesting, then violence is justified if they don't stop when ordered.Likewise for far right, tree huggers of America or ANY protest group.

Grayson wrote: »

The thing is that antifa hurt their own side more. Although they are a small fringe group the one thing the alt right has been great at is turning them into a huge boogeyman. So now time is spent talking about the guys who are anti fascist rather than the nazi's and the far right in general.

I agree to some extent, but the danger is people will start joining these nutters in large numbers. You don't institute a dictatorship with 20 followers. Again the Nazis did poorly in elections and were a fringe group until a perfect storm of punitive reparations and a disintegrating economy led Josef Soap to vote for a "strong leader" who was "on his side" against the vested interests in society. Quite similar to the way Trump got elected. If the Democrats put forward an equally nutty Antifa type in the next election, they could very well get elected as a backlash against Trump.

Grayson wrote: »

And the far right are statistically responsible for more violence and more deaths. the far right in the US has, as far as I can remember, been responsible for more terrorist attacks than any other group.

Are they? Many shootings etc are just non affiliated psychologically disturbed individuals. I am open to correction on that. Worldwide, it isn't even a contest ...

20Cent

Last year hundreds of fascists march chanting Jews will not replace us.
This year 20 show up.

What changed.

I'd say antifa scared them away.

RandomName2

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Is it good or bad that I knew who started this thread before clicking on it?

50% chance it was winniethepoo

markodaly

20Cent wrote: »

I'd say antifa scared them away.

I'd say you are wrong.

ohnonotgmail

markodaly wrote: »

I'd say you are wrong.

Well something scared them away. Maybe it was being outed publicly as neo-nazi that did it.

20Cent

20Cent

markodaly wrote: »

I'd say you are wrong.

What's your theory?

professore

Grayson wrote: »

So hundreds of people chanted "jews will not replace us" and didn't realise they were part of an anti Semitic group? Fcuking idiots.

they also managed to ignore all the message board postings and news articles about nazi's beforehand. They must be really stupid.

The media have a lot to answer for, by labelling everyone Alt-Right the term has lost all meaning. So labeling a group as Alt-Right protestors could be anything from a group of Trump supporting mormon OAPs to jackbooted skinhead neo nazis.

"Unite the Right" sounds like a fairly innocuous title in fairness. And Americans are so ill educated in history (as we are heading down the same path) that they might not realise the significance of carrying tiki torches. I'm not saying everyone who showed up didn't know the true nature of the event - but I'd say it's perfectly possible.