Dairy Chitchat 3

whelan2

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Unique perspective?

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I’d prefer to call it ‘a broader perspective’...

You still in hospital. Must be fairly warm over there at the minute

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

How soon can I feed bales? Made on the 17th of June?

Are you short of grass?

Gawddawggonnit

atlantic mist wrote: »

how much extra diesel do you use with trailing shoe?

Nothing that’s going to boil the planet...

Just driving an extra couple of hydraulic mascerators is all.

visatorro

whelan2 wrote: »

Are you short of grass?

Short term problem in front of the cows
Also I'm going to house a few heifers for the test.

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

Short term problem in front of the cows
Also I'm going to house a few heifers for the test.

Have to get some control on the grass here. After being away. A lot of bales and topping to be done

greenfield21

Anything that we took a heavy crop of for the first cut has been seriously slow to recover. Seems like heavy machines are finally showing up on our heavy ground here with lots of reduced growth over driven areas.

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

My tank is ghosting me, fecking won't send or receive txt msgs

Could you infect irrigation reels with that ‘ghosting’ thingy?

Gawddawggonnit

whelan2 wrote: »

You still in hospital. Must be fairly warm over there at the minute

I think I prefer water boarding.
Lodged a request for a transfer to Guantanamo today....

Credit to the staff in fairness.

visatorro

K.G. wrote: »

Will dairy washing s spreading with splash plate be outlawed under new directive. Pia if it does for everyone

My agri consultant said washings was alright to spread with splash plate still. That Could change thou in the future

Buford T. Justice XIX

Some yield in that crop of Rye. I wonder what kind of yields you'd expect here?
https://twitter.com/DonaldMillar/status/1144285495226228737?s=19

Waffletraktor

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Some yield in that crop of Rye. I wonder what kind of yields you'd expect here?
https://twitter.com/DonaldMillar/status/1144285495226228737?s=19

16ish t/acre fresh weight at early-mid 30's dm would be the target, you'll hear of more bit like guys saying they grew a 5t wheat crop when their longterm norm is little under 4.
Financials work out equal to a 2.5t of malting spec Sbarley @£;160 crop without the straw if going for a concrete cow. They almost measure the seed in Carrats and charge accordingly.

Gawddawggonnit

Waffletraktor wrote: »

16ish t/acre fresh weight at early-mid 30's dm would be the target, you'll hear of more bit like guys saying they grew a 5t wheat crop when their longterm norm is little under 4.
Financials work out equal to a 2.5t of malting spec Sbarley @£;160 crop without the straw if going for a concrete cow. They almost measure the seed in Carrats and charge accordingly.

Had a look at the Tweet that the Chief posted and thought, wtf am I doing wrong....
Saying that, with a mahoosive yield of grain, 10+t/ha, it’s almost feasible...but yeah...

Finished wbarley here this evening. Worst yield 7.4t/ha, best 8.8. Should average around 7.7 or more. Pleased.

Wheat must be taking a roasting now with this bit of heat. Thought France might even break the 40mln tons this year, but not a hope now...there’s always something to just rip the rug out from under you.

Waffletraktor

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Had a look at the Tweet that the Chief posted and thought, wtf am I doing wrong....
Saying that, with a mahoosive yield of grain, 10+t/ha, it’s almost feasible...but yeah...

Finished wbarley here this evening. Worst yield 7.4t/ha, best 8.8. Should average around 7.7 or more. Pleased.

Wheat must be taking a roasting now with this bit of heat. Thought France might even break the 40mln tons this year, but not a hope now...there’s always something to just rip the rug out from under you.

Àny bit of rain causes ergot in it around flowering needing a colour sorter around here, and then id guess your heat would be robbing a ton or 4 of yield!. Could be supprised with grainfill, Barely a day or 2into the late 20's redzone for crop stress

alps

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Had a look at the Tweet that the Chief posted and thought, wtf am I doing wrong....
Saying that, with a mahoosive yield of grain, 10+t/ha, it’s almost feasible...but yeah...

Finished wbarley here this evening. Worst yield 7.4t/ha, best 8.8. Should average around 7.7 or more. Pleased.

Wheat must be taking a roasting now with this bit of heat. Thought France might even break the 40mln tons this year, but not a hope now...there’s always something to just rip the rug out from under you.

Whatever about their yields......their femmes are pretty smart with a ball...tough luck to them

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Could you infect irrigation reels with that ‘ghosting’ thingy?

No bother, just get an Irish service provider to supply " coverage"

Gawddawggonnit

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Àny bit of rain causes ergot in it around flowering needing a colour sorter around here, and then id guess your heat would be robbing a ton or 4 of yield!. Could be supprised with grainfill, Barely a day or 2into the late 20's redzone for crop stress

I killed a few cows with ergot...sold triticale to a merchant and he renegaded on price so we loaded it and took it away.
Problem was he didn’t me back our own grain, only some other shyte that was full of ergot. Result was cows dead and what an agonizing death it was for the poor animals.

GrasstoMilk

Are many going to moorepark on Wednesday.
It's looking like another very good dsy

straight

I'll be going alright. One thing I noticed the last time was a hell of a lot of hype and fellas mad for numbers. Small farmer like me had to stand back as they asked what's the max debt per cow, max cow per person, etc. Loads of pushing numbers on fellas. Very interesting day out though if you can avoid them lads.

GrasstoMilk

straight wrote: »

I'll be going alright. One thing I noticed the last time was a hell of a lot of hype and fellas mad for numbers. Small farmer like me had to stand back as they asked what's the max debt per cow, max cow per person, etc. Loads of pushing numbers on fellas. Very interesting day out though if you can avoid them lads.

Tis more about sustainability now

straight

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Tis more about sustainability now

I believe they have moved away from the jersey crosses too. It's the grass10 info I find most interesting.

whelan2

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Tis more about sustainability now

Every farm is different , is it not? No definite figure for max debt per cow....

visatorro

whelan2 wrote: »

Every farm is different , is it not? No definite figure for max debt per cow....

Every farm is different as long as I milk more cows than anyone else!

GrasstoMilk

whelan2 wrote: »

Every farm is different , is it not? No definite figure for max debt per cow....

That's it exactly! Everyone has different comfort levels

awaywithyou

I wonder will it b mentioned that they have spent over 40 grand on concentrates at the greenfield farm since february and yet they are on course to having a very profitable year there....

straight

visatorro wrote: »

Every farm is different as long as I milk more cows than anyone else!

There is nobody else putting their hands up for more work like farmers are.

GrasstoMilk

awaywithyou wrote: »

I wonder will it b mentioned that they have spent over 40 grand on concentrates at the greenfield farm since february and yet they are on course to having a very profitable year there....

Where did you see that?
I would say it's in an effort to build silage stocks.
If I remember correctly lack of meal feeding was everyone's problem with the place?

visatorro

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Where did you see that?
I would say it's in an effort to build silage stocks.
If I remember correctly lack of meal feeding was everyone's problem with the place?

Is it not nearly finished anyway? At least it's one less row lads will be having on here!

awaywithyou

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Where did you see that?
I would say it's in an effort to build silage stocks.
If I remember correctly lack of meal feeding was everyone's problem with the place?

This weeks farmer journal

GrasstoMilk

visatorro wrote: »

Is it not nearly finished anyway? At least it's one less row lads will be having on here!

Yeah a big mess!
Part of the mp was leased from another land owner who died yesterday in a plane crash.
The phelans are ending up very well off out of the whole thing.
All they have to buy is the herd of cows.
I'm personally very disappointed with how it all ended. There was alot more there they could have researched, share milking, lower N rates on a highly stocked dry farm, how feeding more meal effected production and in turn there margin and lots more

Buford T. Justice XIX

visatorro wrote: »

Is it not nearly finished anyway? At least it's one less row lads will be having on here!

I'm sure lads will find something to argue about:D

As far as I know, there's discussions going on at the minute about what's going to happen. It's likely to finish but there's a chance it might not.

jaymla627

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Yeah a big mess!
Part of the mp was leased from another land owner who died yesterday in a plane crash.
The phelans are ending up very well off out of the whole thing.
All they have to buy is the herd of cows.
I'm personally very disappointed with how it all ended. There was alot more there they could have researched, share milking, lower N rates on a highly stocked dry farm, how feeding more meal effected production and in turn there margin and lots more

They might get a reality check once they get a full calving season under their belts, would be some baptism of fire

awaywithyou

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I'm sure lads will find something to argue about:D

As far as I know, there's discussions going on at the minute about what's going to happen. It's likely to finish but there's a chance it might not.

Teagasc and the farm manager are gone... being run by an interim management now... Martin o’neill And Roy keane are being spoken to about looking after the place on a full time basis... couldn’t do any worse than the teagasc crowd....

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Are many going to moorepark on Wednesday.
It's looking like another very good dsy

Might be going down with the BIL for support purposes if the contracting quietens down. He was invited down by Moore park to give a talk on the day but I dont think hes gonna do it

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Are many going to moorepark on Wednesday.
It's looking like another very good dsy

I’m going and looking forward to it but was savagely impresed by the ihfa day in Charleville on Thursday ,more for me out of day like that as it showed what a well managed fertile herd of cows is capable of whilst managing and utilizing grass to a high level the milk Cheque provided a good return from high sales of milk and kgms and the icing on the cake was stock sales .there milking circa 90 cows and gave me great confidence going forward that a smaller herd like that that has the right focus will survive .moorepark will be interesting as always at different level

GrasstoMilk

awaywithyou wrote: »

Teagasc and the farm manager are gone... being run by an interim management now... Martin o’neill And Roy keane are being spoken to about looking after the place on a full time basis... couldn’t do any worse than the teagasc crowd....

Ah now that's a bit harsh I think. They went out there and set up a farm on the premis of what they were preaching.
Yes lots of mistakes made but haven't we all gained from it?
There has been lots of 2nd and 3rd units aswell as conversions from other enterprises set up by farmers through the use of the information generated from the Greenfield, be it the mistakes or what worked.
It's not easy to go set up a farm that was worn out and they hit all the key parameters set out by teagasc. Most of us are farming land that have been in our family for a few generations and is in good heart, theres infrastructure there aswell as stock

straight

mahoney_j wrote: »

I’m going and looking forward to it but was savagely impresed by the ihfa day in Charleville on Thursday ,more for me out of day like that as it showed what a well managed fertile herd of cows is capable of whilst managing and utilizing grass to a high level the milk Cheque provided a good return from high sales of milk and kgms and the icing on the cake was stock sales .there milking circa 90 cows and gave me great confidence going forward that a smaller herd like that that has the right focus will survive .moorepark will be interesting as always at different level

Freemount lad. Great day for sure.

straight

Reggie. wrote: »

Might be going down with the BIL for support purposes if the contracting quietens down. He was invited down by Moore park to give a talk on the day but I dont think hes gonna do it

You bil is one of the poster boys so.

GrasstoMilk

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Ah now that's a bit harsh I think. They went out there and set up a farm on the premis of what they were preaching.
Yes lots of mistakes made but haven't we all gained from it?
There has been lots of 2nd and 3rd units aswell as conversions from other enterprises set up by farmers through the use of the information generated from the Greenfield, be it the mistakes or what worked.
It's not easy to go set up a farm that was worn out and they hit all the key parameters set out by teagasc. Most of us are farming land that have been in our family for a few generations and is in good heart, theres infrastructure there aswell as stock

And realistically what farmer out there would be willing to give you fully costed accounts as to what it all cost, or how much they are making year on year. Very few if you ask me!

GrasstoMilk

mahoney_j wrote: »

I’m going and looking forward to it but was savagely impresed by the ihfa day in Charleville on Thursday ,more for me out of day like that as it showed what a well managed fertile herd of cows is capable of whilst managing and utilizing grass to a high level the milk Cheque provided a good return from high sales of milk and kgms and the icing on the cake was stock sales .there milking circa 90 cows and gave me great confidence going forward that a smaller herd like that that has the right focus will survive .moorepark will be interesting as always at different level

If it works dont change it. We're all constantly evolving. I'm trying to learn something from anyone I can, be it genetics, grass, silage making, calf rearing..anything at all. It all improves it that little bit more every year.

Reggie.

straight wrote: »

You bil is one of the poster boys so.

Hes one to watch I'd say. He really knows his stuff and I've learnt alot of him this past year. Very quiet fella and doesn't bang his own drum but theres alot of visitors around his yard lately.

1373

awaywithyou wrote: »

Teagasc and the farm manager are gone... being run by an interim management now... Martin o’neill And Roy keane are being spoken to about looking after the place on a full time basis... couldn’t do any worse than the teagasc crowd....

its always easy to criticise .Thousands of people went to see a large setup being started from scratch and got to see the good ,bad and ugly .Even the beast from the east was lesson for farmers who never expect a hard spring ,lots of guys who saw what went on with the demo farm vowed never to be caught with bad winter facilities again .thats what a demo farm is for

straight

1373 wrote: »

its always easy to criticise .Thousands of people went to see a large setup being started from scratch and got to see the good ,bad and ugly .Even the beast from the east was lesson for farmers who never expect a hard spring ,lots of guys who saw what went on with the demo farm vowed never to be caught with bad winter facilities again .thats what a demo farm is for

Anyone should know that you can't have cows without adequate accommodation. Teagasc advice of build up your numbers and do the accommodation later was always ridiculous.

Wildsurfer

straight wrote: »

1373 wrote: »

its always easy to criticise .Thousands of people went to see a large setup being started from scratch and got to see the good ,bad and ugly .Even the beast from the east was lesson for farmers who never expect a hard spring ,lots of guys who saw what went on with the demo farm vowed never to be caught with bad winter facilities again .thats what a demo farm is for

Anyone should know that you can't have cows without adequate accommodation. Teagasc advice of build up your numbers and do the accommodation later was always ridiculous.

Well you would be very wrong! With rapid expansion post quota, on some farms the cow numbers at the time werent enough to bank roll large shed loans. So alot of lads had to think outside the box. I've had cows on redstart, cattle slats, outwintered on dryer ground. Others had to do pads or outdoor cubicles. Some fine sheds up now on these farms. Teagasc were just giving us some options.

Keepgrowing

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Well you would be very wrong! With rapid expansion post quota, on some farms the cow numbers at the time werent enough to bank roll large shed loans. So alot of lads had to think outside the box. I've had cows on redstart, cattle slats, outwintered on dryer ground. Others had to do pads or outdoor cubicles. Some fine sheds up now on these farms. Teagasc were just giving us some options.

Scored a goal!
Summed up perfectly

mahoney_j

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Well you would be very wrong! With rapid expansion post quota, on some farms the cow numbers at the time werent enough to bank roll large shed loans. So alot of lads had to think outside the box. I've had cows on redstart, cattle slats, outwintered on dryer ground. Others had to do pads or outdoor cubicles. Some fine sheds up now on these farms. Teagasc were just giving us some options.

Went the opposite way here adding the housing etc with the cows and glad I did .one man show so have to keep things simple expansion was slower but I was happy with it and wouldn’t of done it any different if doing it again

straight

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Well you would be very wrong! With rapid expansion post quota, on some farms the cow numbers at the time werent enough to bank roll large shed loans. So alot of lads had to think outside the box. I've had cows on redstart, cattle slats, outwintered on dryer ground. Others had to do pads or outdoor cubicles. Some fine sheds up now on these farms. Teagasc were just giving us some options.

What about the social licence

whelan2

Where is the best value for milking gloves?

cjpm

whelan2 wrote: »

Where is the best value for milking gloves?

https://www.gloves.ie/collections/agriculture/products/chemplus


I find these very good. 10.95 for 50

GrasstoMilk

cjpm wrote: »

https://www.gloves.ie/collections/agriculture/products/chemplus


I find these very good. 10.95 for 50

Magenta
10 x1. 100 gloves for 100e

Base price

whelan2 wrote: »

Where is the best value for milking gloves?

I got these for oh for handling/feeding calves and general yard work. They are thicker than normal disposable gloves and are longer so the water doesn't run into them. A pair will last him several wears.
https://www.agridirect.ie/product/pro-tect-gloves-10-boxes