Dairy Chitchat 3

whelan2

Can you buy the hand pump for a big barrel of detergent in it's own?

mahoney_j

whelan2 wrote: »

Can you buy the hand pump for a big barrel of detergent in it's own?

Yep got one in local coop store ,there dear tho 50 euro ,I buy detergent ,acid and tear dip in 200 Ltrs drums talk to rep and they’ll throw it in with purchase

Injuryprone

whelan2 wrote: »

Can you buy the hand pump for a big barrel of detergent in it's own?

https://jebbtools.ie/products/toolzone-big-syphon-pump

straight

Some sick puppies on climate change week on rte. My teagasc adviser was saying they have the new guidelines for derogation and the days of high stocking rates are over. I wouldn't be taking on too much debt at the moment

yosemitesam1

straight wrote: »

Some sick puppies on climate change week on rte. My teagasc adviser was saying they have the new guidelines for derogation and the days of high stocking rates are over. I wouldn't be taking on too much debt at the moment

Had a look at the recommended diet for the week, pretty much all of it would be imported bar apples and porridge

straight

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Had a look at the recommended diet for the week, pretty much all of it would be imported bar apples and porridge

Marco is no advertisement for that diet anyway. Shook looking creature

C4d78

Have a heifer scanned due first few days of Feb. Noticed her with more of a dug than others today and dripping a tiny drop of milk. Any thoughts, has she more than likely lost the calf or is about to.??No sign of any foetus in cubicles yet.
Any way she could be dripping a tiny amount of milk and still hold to February date??

Gawddawggonnit

Inspection by the Coop this morning...cleanliness, animal welfare etc etc.
They tell me that from 2022 all fym will have to be covered by a shed. More money.

Not long after the Coop came (unannounced) to inspect, a gas storage inspector came unannounced also. Told him to work away...all’s well with storage tanks, gas bottles etc. He went into the garage and inspected the mig welder and the oxy- acetylene torch...no signage visible, so €1k fine.
Jesus wept.

The regulation of farms/industry is some money spinner, not to mention jobs for the boys...

kevthegaff

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Inspection by the Coop this morning...cleanliness, animal welfare etc etc.
They tell me that from 2022 all fym will have to be covered by a shed. More money.

Not long after the Coop came (unannounced) to inspect, a gas storage inspector came unannounced also. Told him to work away...all’s well with storage tanks, gas bottles etc. He went into the garage and inspected the mig welder and the oxy- acetylene torch...no signage visible, so €1k fine.
Jesus wept.

The regulation of farms/industry is some money spinner, not to mention jobs for the boys...

If it gets as bad here, im out

Buford T. Justice XIX

So my water heater was diagnosed as having terminal leaks internally and will need to be replaced. Limescale is a big problem here so water treatment will be needed as well.

Electricity seems to be the handiest but most lads here seem to be changing over to gas so I was wondering what non electric water heaters folk here are using and any positive/negative points you've found?

TIA.

straight

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

So my water heater was diagnosed as having terminal leaks internally and will need to be replaced. Limescale is a big problem here so water treatment will be needed as well.

Electricity seems to be the handiest but most lads here seem to be changing over to gas so I was wondering what non electric water heaters folk here are using and any positive/negative points you've found?

TIA.

I'd be leaning towards changing to gas myself. I know a lot of lads have old oil boilers

straight

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Inspection by the Coop this morning...cleanliness, animal welfare etc etc.
They tell me that from 2022 all fym will have to be covered by a shed. More money.

Not long after the Coop came (unannounced) to inspect, a gas storage inspector came unannounced also. Told him to work away...all’s well with storage tanks, gas bottles etc. He went into the garage and inspected the mig welder and the oxy- acetylene torch...no signage visible, so €1k fine.
Jesus wept.

The regulation of farms/industry is some money spinner, not to mention jobs for the boys...

Ah sure dairy farming is highly profitable. What's the problem with helping others to live

alps

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

So my water heater was diagnosed as having terminal leaks internally and will need to be replaced. Limescale is a big problem here so water treatment will be needed as well.

Electricity seems to be the handiest but most lads here seem to be changing over to gas so I was wondering what non electric water heaters folk here are using and any positive/negative points you've found?

TIA.

Had a good look at this a few months ago as we had exactly the same problem. We had a 200l electric, so at times we had to turn on during the day for various reasons. We hit wash probably twice a week and collected 3 times.

Just couldn't justify either the gas or the geyser type heaters, as the savings proclaimed were blown out of all proportion.

We ended up buying a 300l, 3kw Atlantic heater, floor standing for about 600€. It has enough capacity to do a machine wash and a tank wash and means that it is now programmed solely for night rate electricity.

Even if it took the whole night to heat, which im realibly advised it doesn't the max it can cost is 3kw×8hrs×0.07€=1.68€ per day.

We don't need water for milk replacer or anything else and it really is a miniscule cost compared to the other systems..

Mooooo

Have two elec heaters here, connected in series? So the water comes out of the first with hot water filling into the first from the second one, allows for plenty hot water to hot wash the plant and use a hot/ warm rinse after milking, before the hot wash to get plant up to temp

Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

Had a good look at this a few months ago as we had exactly the same problem. We had a 200l electric, so at times we had to turn on during the day for various reasons. We hit wash probably twice a week and collected 3 times.

Just couldn't justify either the gas or the geyser type heaters, as the savings proclaimed were blown out of all proportion.

We ended up buying a 300l, 3kw Atlantic heater, floor standing for about 600€. It has enough capacity to do a machine wash and a tank wash and means that it is now programmed solely for night rate electricity.

Even if it took the whole night to heat, which im realibly advised it doesn't the max it can cost is 3kw×8hrs×0.07€=1.68€ per day.

We don't need water for milk replacer or anything else and it really is a miniscule cost compared to the other systems..

I'd be a bit reluctant to go down that route as those heaters only lasted a few years here, we've gone through a share of them. Maybe they might last better with the limescale taken out, though?

I'm fairly tight for hot water volume anyway so this may be the push I need to get that up to where it needs to be.

Pinsnbushings

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Inspection by the Coop this morning...cleanliness, animal welfare etc etc.
They tell me that from 2022 all fym will have to be covered by a shed. More money.

Not long after the Coop came (unannounced) to inspect, a gas storage inspector came unannounced also. Told him to work away...all’s well with storage tanks, gas bottles etc. He went into the garage and inspected the mig welder and the oxy- acetylene torch...no signage visible, so €1k fine.
Jesus wept.

The regulation of farms/industry is some money spinner, not to mention jobs for the boys...

2nd tb test per year on the way here too apparently, money for the boys is right.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

Have two elec heaters here, connected in series? So the water comes out of the first with hot water filling into the first from the second one, allows for plenty hot water to hot wash the plant and use a hot/ warm rinse after milking, before the hot wash to get plant up to temp

I'd always rinse with the warmest water from the plate cooler and it does seem to help in rinsing out.

We can get 3 washes from the one mix of detergent with a TBC below 10 most of the year. The new regulations on chlorine might scupper that with lads saying there will have to be a hot wash every day from now on

Mooooo

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I'd always rinse with the warmest water from the plate cooler and it does seem to help in rinsing out.

We can get 3 washes from the one mix of detergent with a TBC below 10 most of the year. The new regulations on chlorine might scupper that with lads saying there will have to be a hot wash every day from now on

Could be wrong but I was under the impression if you had no issues with tcm tests there should be no issue using chlorine products?
Fine here but I split rinse the plant here. I let have the water trough thru after milking then I fill it and rinse again. Detergent next an then split rinse after the detergent again, half trough and full trough with a few shots of serpent in full trough. Circodine P detergent in plant.
Use avalkasan in the tank but that always did two rinses before and after detergent wash.
TCM all passed this year and highest TBC was 7 so far. Hot wash once a week with circodine p as well but tend to top up the rinse post milking with hot water so it would be a warm second rinse iykwim
Plenty rinsing either way is the key I think to remove any residue. Also electric pumps and the jars on there side don't lend themselves to flushing out completely hence the split rinses here

straight

alps wrote: »

Had a good look at this a few months ago as we had exactly the same problem. We had a 200l electric, so at times we had to turn on during the day for various reasons. We hit wash probably twice a week and collected 3 times.

Just couldn't justify either the gas or the geyser type heaters, as the savings proclaimed were blown out of all proportion.

We ended up buying a 300l, 3kw Atlantic heater, floor standing for about 600€. It has enough capacity to do a machine wash and a tank wash and means that it is now programmed solely for night rate electricity.

Even if it took the whole night to heat, which im realibly advised it doesn't the max it can cost is 3kw×8hrs×0.07€=1.68€ per day.

We don't need water for milk replacer or anything else and it really is a miniscule cost compared to the other systems..

If u have to put in night rate especially you have an extra ground rent too. I've an Atlantic heater for the past 10 years and it's fine but some people avoid them now because they're inferior quality. I believe if you convert to gas they give you a lot of free fuel which more or less covers the installation cost?

Buford T. Justice XIX

There's free tickets to Dairy Day next Tuesday on eventbrite.ie until tomorrow if anyone is going.

alps

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

There's free tickets to Dairy Day next Tuesday on eventbrite.ie until tomorrow if anyone is going.

Nice one..appreciate the heads up..

awaywithyou

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

There's free tickets to Dairy Day next Tuesday on eventbrite.ie until tomorrow if anyone is going.

Did you go to listowel tonite?
.

Timmaay

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I'd be a bit reluctant to go down that route as those heaters only lasted a few years here, we've gone through a share of them. Maybe they might last better with the limescale taken out, though?

I'm fairly tight for hot water volume anyway so this may be the push I need to get that up to where it needs to be.

We got sick of the limescale rotting every element and kettle here within 6 months so we put in a water softener that uses salt. The 1st softener we got cost about 500e, did the job but broke after 4yrs and wasn't worth fixing, last one I got put in a year ago for 950e installed and that seems to be more durable definitely. Defo seems to of fixed all the problems, we have got 5 years out of the current water heater.

visatorro

I'm surprised there isn't more farmer's throwing in solar panels aswell. Lad beside me putting in alot of PV panels. Be interesting to see how he goes.

straight

visatorro wrote: »

I'm surprised there isn't more farmer's throwing in solar panels aswell. Lad beside me putting in alot of PV panels. Be interesting to see how he goes.

No refit tarriff is the problem.

Buford T. Justice XIX

awaywithyou wrote: »

Did you go to listowel tonite?
.

I did. I'll throw something up in the milk price thread in a few minutes.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Timmaay wrote: »

We got sick of the limescale rotting every element and kettle here within 6 months so we put in a water softener that uses salt. The 1st softener we got cost about 500e, did the job but broke after 4yrs and wasn't worth fixing, last one I got put in a year ago for 950e installed and that seems to be more durable definitely. Defo seems to of fixed all the problems, we have got 5 years out of the current water heater.

Looks like I'll be going down a similar route here. €1k for a metered system that just needs the salt added and will clean the probes(?) Itself.

The heating cost is firmly stacked in favour of gas. €35 a week to heat 300l daily with an electric heater against €8 a week for gas to do the same. Installing costs much the same once the fill of gas provided is factored in.

whelan2

Was behind a tractor drawing maize on the way to football there now. Is there now left to be harvested and would the quality have deteriorated with it being so late?

Mooooo

It would be high dm so more difficult to ensike but quality should be ok I think depending on frost experienced. I'd say there seems to be more harvested too early than too late in some cases but with different varieties I'm not sure. Ours used to be done roughly in the last two weeks of Oct,

visatorro

straight wrote: »

No refit tarriff is the problem.

Can you explain that for me please?

straight

visatorro wrote: »

Can you explain that for me please?

Renewable energy feed in tarriff. Basically you cannot sell any excess electricity generated back into the grid.

whelan2

Progress report

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Progress report

I like the grooving. And the end cubicle, could have saved me a long wait to get my job finished:(

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

Progress report

Only a small bit jealous.....

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

Progress report

Shiney

blackdog1

straight wrote: »

Renewable energy feed in tarriff. Basically you cannot sell any excess electricity generated back into the grid.

The proper term is micro generation and there hopefully will be a scheme coming out in the near future but they're are alot of limits on it. 6kw max single phase 11kw three phase etc. Batteries are too expensive atm so unless this scheme comes out uptake on solar will be poor.

Water John

Anyone have an idea on a price of Fr heifers around 300kg, all AI stock with generations, good quality.

DukeCaboom

Water John wrote: »

Anyone have an idea on a price of Fr heifers around 300kg, all AI stock with generations, good quality.

€650

alps

Water John wrote: »

Anyone have an idea on a price of Fr heifers around 300kg, all AI stock with generations, good quality.

They are stronger than most at this stage..€750

950 1st May and 1350 end of August.

trixi2011

Anyone ever use a bull sew seems to be an shed load of heifers for sale sired by him?

jaymla627

trixi2011 wrote: »

Anyone ever use a bull sew seems to be an shed load of heifers for sale sired by him?

Their been sold for a reason, glorified goats would best describe his daughters, he was the hotshot genomic bull back in the day and his proof crashed when his daughters proofs came through

trixi2011

jaymla627 wrote: »

Their been sold for a reason, glorified goats would best describe his daughters, he was the hotshot genomic bull back in the day and his proof crashed when his daughters proofs came through

Sort of thought that alright was 232 in 2015 and 165 now 🀪 . Have not a huge amount of confidence in some of the Irish bulls . One of the short gestation LIC bulls which I wouldn't put up there as being that good is showing an ebi of 230 due to short calving intervile

DukeCaboom

jaymla627 wrote: »

Their been sold for a reason, glorified goats would best describe his daughters, he was the hotshot genomic bull back in the day and his proof crashed when his daughters proofs came through

Anything one particularly thing bad about them or just everything?

jaymla627

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Anything one particularly thing bad about them or just everything?

Milk pta went from 174 to -206 in first run of daughter proofs was what crashed his ebi

jaymla627

trixi2011 wrote: »

Sort of thought that alright was 232 in 2015 and 165 now �� . Have not a huge amount of confidence in some of the Irish bulls . One of the short gestation LIC bulls which I wouldn't put up there as being that good is showing an ebi of 230 due to short calving intervile

Haven't used a Irish ai bull here in 6 odd years, Americans seem to have their genomics and what comes through when daughters hit the tank been pretty much what was promised in genomic proof, the ebi system is like buying raffle tickets in comparison

mahoney_j

trixi2011 wrote: »

Anyone ever use a bull sew seems to be an shed load of heifers for sale sired by him?

Duds no milk

DukeCaboom

jaymla627 wrote: »

Haven't used a Irish ai bull here in 6 odd years, Americans seem to have their genomics and what comes through when daughters hit the tank been pretty much what was promised in genomic proof, the ebi system is like buying raffle tickets in comparison

Where du mainly buy your straws?

jaymla627

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Where du mainly buy your straws?

Progressive genetics who are agents for semex and world wide sires

DukeCaboom

jaymla627 wrote: »

Progressive genetics who are agents for semex and world wide sires

Cheers

alps

That's not good news as he's the sire of quiet a few bulls on the current active list..