Dairy Chitchat 3

awaywithyou

alps wrote: »

That's not good news as he's the sire of quiet a few bulls on the current active list..

Is he really that bad? He was bred by a lad in my discussion group....

awaywithyou

jaymla627 wrote: »

Progressive genetics who are agents for semex and world wide sires

Do u use mating service by WWS...?

whelan2

awaywithyou wrote: »

Is he really that bad? He was bred by a lad in my discussion group....

Look up his figures on icbf. He flopped in late 2017. Milk solids decimated

jaymla627

awaywithyou wrote: »

Do u use mating service by WWS...?

No would be using 80% plus semex bulls, mainly their immunity plus bulls, have no real problems with type our coat hanger cows as I'm finding the high health bulls are breeding lovely mid-sized cows that have lovely type, main issue with wws bulls is their sire stacks have a huge Oman/shottle/mogul influence and this leaves bulls with poor enough solids/health traits, but they do have a few good outcrosses

whelan2

Had a cow stuck in the front of one of those Dutch comfort cubicles this morning . Only finished milking now. I cut the cubicle with a hacksaw. She's out and standing. I hate those cubicles

straight

whelan2 wrote: »

Had a cow stuck in the front of one of those Dutch comfort cubicles this morning . Only finished milking now. I cut the cubicle with a hacksaw. She's out and standing. I hate those cubicles

Careful now. That could be seen as being racist. The dutch are a fine bunch of lads.

Keepgrowing

whelan2 wrote: »

Had a cow stuck in the front of one of those Dutch comfort cubicles this morning . Only finished milking now. I cut the cubicle with a hacksaw. She's out and standing. I hate those cubicles

I’d highly recommend a battery grinder it’s a gift in situations like that

stretch film

alps wrote: »

That's not good news as he's the sire of quiet a few bulls on the current active list..

Therein lies the problem with genomics v's the steady as you go daughter proven route

straight

whelan2 wrote: »

Had a cow stuck in the front of one of those Dutch comfort cubicles this morning . Only finished milking now. I cut the cubicle with a hacksaw. She's out and standing. I hate those cubicles

They're the mushroom type cubicles aren't they. I have one phase of them here and they are dangerous alright. Cows go through them and cant stand up. Especially heifers. All the rest of mine are super loop and they're fine.

whelan2

These type

Wildsurfer

whelan2 wrote: »

These type

That looks it was especially designed to catch a cows head! Will you be still using that shed when new one is up and running?

whelan2

Wildsurfer wrote: »

That looks it was especially designed to catch a cows head! Will you be still using that shed when new one is up and running?

No thankfully. Only one row of those cubicles and every year we get one like that.

Say my name

The urea inhibitors being promoted in this country now. Does anyone know the names of them?

Is DCD approved and used?

Edit: If anyone is going to the dairy day tomorrow and urea inhibitors are brought up as the next big saviour. Ask them is DCD approved and used here in this country and why, especially since it's pulled off the market in New Zealand after it was found in milk samples and waterways.

Castlekeeper

Say my name wrote: »

The urea inhibitors being promoted in this country now. Does anyone know the names of them?

Is DCD approved and used?

Edit: If anyone is going to the dairy day tomorrow and urea inhibitors are brought up as the next big saviour. Ask them is DCD approved and used here in this country and why, especially since it's pulled off the market in New Zealand after it was found in milk samples and waterways.

NBPT is the inhibitor used in most fertilisers here with one company using 2-NPT MPA.
Not sure if that helps or not.

Say my name

Castlekeeper wrote: »

NBPT is the inhibitor used in most fertilisers here with one company using 2-NPT MPA.
Not sure if that helps or not.

It's just I'm on my quest through my book atm and the author mentions DCD that was used in New Zealand.
So a bit of googling through up it was being tested in trials here which I thought was a bit stupid since it was banned in New Zealand in 2013 because of milk markets.

Mooooo

28 cow's I dried off yday made there way into a fields with a nice 1100 cover on it, so much for soaking them up anyway feckers are after a better feed than the ones still milking

Ubbquittious

Are the electronics for alfa cluster removers much more complicated than dairy master ones does anyone know?

whelan2

Anyone go to the dairy day thingy?

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Anyone go to the dairy day thingy?

Just back now, after the car broke down in Abbeyfeale. Interesting day, I wouldn't go every year but it was worth going to see. I missed the discussions but there's supposed an interesting one with John Penno online next week.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Are the electronics for alfa cluster removers much more complicated than dairy master ones does anyone know?

I have Delaval ones installed with a few years and very little electronics in them. A float with a magnet triggers an electrical signal to start or stop the takeoff cycle.

whelan2

Checked my inplate cooler yesterday. I have yet to open it without ripping my fingers. Tiny cuts that bleed and bleed. Had milking gloves on which just made the blood worse. Hateful job

Morris Moss

whelan2 wrote: »

Checked my inplate cooler yesterday. I have yet to open it without ripping my fingers. Tiny cuts that bleed and bleed. Had milking gloves on which just made the blood worse. Hateful job

What do you check it for? Had 1 here for years and never went near it.

whelan2

Morris Moss wrote: »

What do you check it for? Had 1 here for years and never went near it.

There's a tiny bleed hole in it gets blocked . Doesn't happen too often as I have air blasting through it at each milking.

Mooooo

Any of ye whom have excited winter milk how did yer yearly solid percentages compare between all spring production and split calving production? My bf is down since switching to spring on a yearly basis hard to know if it's genetics or diets or calving pattern etc

Water John

Saw in a paper of a french made cooling kit. Simply a coil of water pipe with a stainless steel pipe inside it with counter flow of water and milk.
Worth researching if putting in a new one.

Gawddawggonnit

Water John wrote: »

Saw in a paper of a french made cooling kit. Simply a coil of water pipe with a stainless steel pipe inside it with counter flow of water and milk.
Worth researching if putting in a new one.

https://www.charriau.com/fr/pre-refroidisseur-de-lait

Made close to me.
I’ve one that’s installed with decades and never a problem.
At over 40*C in the height of summer the milk never hits the tank at over 11*C.
The warm water from the system is much appreciated by the ladies in the height of winter.

Mooooo

Any of ye have or price up a milk taxi or an Urban milk shuttle? Basically milk trollies with their own drive motor that can also heat / cool and mix milk. They can come with pasteurisers also

MF290

Anyone see the 308 acre glenstal farm ad in last weeks journal.
“Entitlements leased and payed back to the owners”
Obviously happening all over the country, but to have it published in the journal. There is something very wrong with farm subsidies.
Is this even above board?

jaymla627

MF290 wrote: »

Anyone see the 308 acre glenstal farm ad in last weeks journal.
“Entitlements leased and payed back to the owners”
Obviously happening all over the country, but to have it published in the journal. There is something very wrong with farm subsidies.
Is this even above board?

That lad is a authority to himself, wonder will he find a victim for the place at the money quoted, needs a small fortune spent on it by the looks of it, the rent review every five years is a sneaky clause too

K.G.

whelan2 wrote: »

Checked my inplate cooler yesterday. I have yet to open it without ripping my fingers. Tiny cuts that bleed and bleed. Had milking gloves on which just made the blood worse. Hateful job

At a milk quality workshop lately they said tou should wash with filter in to prevent plate cooler getting blocked

wrangler

MF290 wrote: »

Anyone see the 308 acre glenstal farm ad in last weeks journal.
“Entitlements leased and payed back to the owners”
Obviously happening all over the country, but to have it published in the journal. There is something very wrong with farm subsidies.
Is this even above board?

It is legal, it's even tax free if they're leased with the land
It's expected that the entitlements will be taken from the landlords in the next Cap Reform, I'm expecting to lose mine anyway

K.G.

Water John wrote: »

Saw in a paper of a french made cooling kit. Simply a coil of water pipe with a stainless steel pipe inside it with counter flow of water and milk.
Worth researching if putting in a new one.

Any link?

Buford T. Justice XIX

K.G. wrote: »

At a milk quality workshop lately they said tou should wash with filter in to prevent plate cooler getting blocked

One of the biggest issues with relief milkers here was them removing the filter before washing the machine and not replacing it before circulating the detergent. I got sick of having to rip the plate cooler to wash it so any one that removes it doesn't get asked back again:mad:

Water John

Gawd has provided one, post 6827.

Yeah, MB does have form.

liosnagceann75

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

One of the biggest issues with relief milkers here was them removing the filter before washing the machine and not replacing it before circulating the detergent. I got sick of having to rip the plate cooler to wash it so any one that removes it doesn't get asked back again:mad:

Never knew that. I always remove the filter before washing the machine

liosnagceann75

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Never knew that. I always remove the filter before washing the machine

Would you wash the machine with the filter in it or change to a new filter before starting the wash?

whelan2

I take the filter out after the first rinse goes through.

awaywithyou

jaymla627 wrote: »

That lad is a authority to himself, wonder will he find a victim for the place at the money quoted, needs a small fortune spent on it by the looks of it, the rent review every five years is a sneaky clause too

the Farming Independent needs to give him his P45.... i enjoy reading the farming supplement.. good contributors across every aspect of farming.. v independent minded people except for him whos has his own interests at heart

awaywithyou

Mooooo wrote: »

Any of ye have or price up a milk taxi or an Urban milk shuttle? Basically milk trollies with their own drive motor that can also heat / cool and mix milk. They can come with pasteurisers also

6k

straight

jaymla627 wrote: »

That lad is a authority to himself, wonder will he find a victim for the place at the money quoted, needs a small fortune spent on it by the looks of it, the rent review every five years is a sneaky clause too

Looks like he'll have a queue of fools willing to plough money into the place and work for nothing for 20 years and hand back a fine farm at the end of it.

Buford T. Justice XIX

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Would you wash the machine with the filter in it or change to a new filter before starting the wash?

I wash with the filter on all year. TBC under 10 so it seems to be working. TBC up to 17 now because I can only do a warm wash rather than a hot wash, a bit annoying.

I change the filter before the next milking at this time of year, daily after a rinse off during the summer.

GrasstoMilk

Mooooo wrote: »

Any of ye whom have excited winter milk how did yer yearly solid percentages compare between all spring production and split calving production? My bf is down since switching to spring on a yearly basis hard to know if it's genetics or diets or calving pattern etc

Our % are up here
Av was 3.75 and 4.6 for 2018
Were 3.85 and 4.64 up to the end of october.
We'll be back a bit in kgs per cow due to a poor start aswell as carrying over the autumn calvers that were stale from September this year.

Next year will give us a much more accurate representation of what the herd can do. Very young herd and we can still tip 500kgs, theres easily 550kg in them as a mature herd

Mooooo

awaywithyou wrote: »

6k

Saucy enough, that include everthing? Did you look into it yourself??

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Our % are up here
Av was 3.75 and 4.6 for 2018
Were 3.85 and 4.64 up to the end of october.
We'll be back a bit in kgs per cow due to a poor start aswell as carrying over the autumn calvers that were stale from September this year.

Next year will give us a much more accurate representation of what the herd can do. Very young herd and we can still tip 500kgs, theres easily 550kg in them as a mature herd

Serious percentages there. I was generally around 4.1/ 4.2 bf and 3.5p when split calving, this year looking at 3.93bf and 3.63p or thereabouts. Had issues this year with acidosis alright bit last year's bf wasn't much higher. Will finish up around 460kg delivered 60% 1st and 2nd calvers this year with all calves on whole milk. Would hope to hit 500kg next year. I'd say genetics is catching me on the bf anyway. A couple 9f the bulls I've used have fallen on bf as they become proven.

straight

Mooooo wrote: »

Saucy enough, that include everthing? Did you look into it yourself??

U would have a feeder for 8500

Sacrolyte

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

https://www.charriau.com/fr/pre-refroidisseur-de-lait

Made close to me.
I’ve one that’s installed with decades and never a problem.
At over 40*C in the height of summer the milk never hits the tank at over 11*C.
The warm water from the system is much appreciated by the ladies in the height of winter.

Are they more expensive than a plate cooler?

stretch film

whelan2 wrote: »

I take the filter out after the first rinse goes through.

so do i and replace with new one for next milking.

Timmaay

Mooooo wrote: »

Serious percentages there. I was generally around 4.1/ 4.2 bf and 3.5p when split calving, this year looking at 3.93bf and 3.63p or thereabouts. Had issues this year with acidosis alright bit last year's bf wasn't much higher. Will finish up around 460kg delivered 60% 1st and 2nd calvers this year with all calves on whole milk. Would hope to hit 500kg next year. I'd say genetics is catching me on the bf anyway. A couple 9f the bulls I've used have fallen on bf as they become proven.

On combined f+p your not massively out across the 2 years, however one kg of p is worth more than a kg of bf so you should still be winning. When you say acidosis, from feeding too much meal or what? A bf drop in April/may is usually caused by a flush of fresh grass, you'll spot this immediately with froth in the overflow jar, I like to keep the meal in that bit longer to help avoid this, and for 1st round of breeding, I also try avoid hammering the cows with just fresh grass, so I'll try juggle say pure lush grass at night and a slightly bigger cover during the day, that's not hugely practical always though.

Mooooo

Timmaay wrote: »

On combined f+p your not massively out across the 2 years, however one kg of p is worth more than a kg of bf so you should still be winning. When you say acidosis, from feeding too much meal or what? A bf drop in April/may is usually caused by a flush of fresh grass, you'll spot this immediately with froth in the overflow jar, I like to keep the meal in that bit longer to help avoid this, and for 1st round of breeding, I also try avoid hammering the cows with just fresh grass, so I'll try juggle say pure lush grass at night and a slightly bigger cover during the day, that's not hugely practical always though.

Dairygold put a bit more weighting on bf recently, also due to every cow going full lactation when split calving yield per cow is also back. Yes it was the grass, adjusting ration to correct it but it went 1 to 1 for a bit. Breeding and everything else went well but still feeding more than most for that level of production

awaywithyou

Mooooo wrote: »

Saucy enough, that include everthing? Did you look into it yourself??

friend of mine has one.... fine job in fairness... but that is what they cost... he was telling me that over so many yrs twas just 3euro/day or something like that....