Dairy Chitchat 3

Say my name

Injuryprone wrote: »

Really......zero difference??
I think you're overestimating the popularity of this thread just a tad

I've had information put up here relayed back to me by dept inspectors and advisors and whatever about the neighbours.
If you don't think you're being watched. Think again.

whelan2

Say my name wrote: »

I've had information put up here relayed back to me by dept inspectors and advisors and whatever about the neighbours.
If you don't think you're being watched. Think again.

You are being watched but not by the masses you think. Imo

Panch18

A headline in the Journal yesterday:

“PROTECTING OUR REPUTATION”

Author: Katherine O’Leary

I mean what ****ing planet are people living on. Are they so self obsessed that they don’t see the irony and complete and utter hypocrisy in their actions?

Say my name

whelan2 wrote: »

You are being watched but not by the masses you think. Imo

It's foolish to think otherwise though.
Even family members with access to a smartphone are looking on to see what ye're saying.

I had a bord bia inspector on the round before this one comment to me didn't you do this very specific thing to me on the inspection. I hadn't it in the book. This was the only place I posted it. He had the specifics and quantity off by heart.
I also had the same from family members and even the milk lorry driver comment that something looked different than how it looked on here.

There's no hiding place on here. Not like Twitter or fb. I can't be the only one that's noticed that.
There's more on social media on their phones now than watch terrestrial tv.
Ye're the product that keeps boards.ie in the money.

K.G.

Say my name wrote: »

It's foolish to think otherwise though.
Even family members with access to a smartphone are looking on to see what ye're saying.

I had a bord bia inspector on the round before this one comment to me didn't you do this very specific thing to me on the inspection. I hadn't it in the book. This was the only place I posted it. He had the specifics and quantity off by heart.
I also had the same from family members and even the milk lorry driver comment that something looked different than how it looked on here.

There's no hiding place on here. Not like Twitter or fb. I can't be the only one that's noticed that.
There's more on social media on their phones now than watch terrestrial tv.
Ye're the product that keeps boards.ie in the money.

So on the money..and its just become a venting ground last 12 months..the "where we going today "thread a prime example

whelan2

Panch18 wrote: »

A headline in the Journal yesterday:

“PROTECTING OUR REPUTATION”

Author: Katherine O’Leary

I mean what ****ing planet are people living on. Are they so self obsessed that they don’t see the irony and complete and utter hypocrisy in their actions?

I wonder did the young lad get a good talking to after the show aired?

kevthegaff

whelan2 wrote: »

I wonder did the young lad get a good talking to after the show aired?

I'd say the neighbours won't be long saying something

wrangler

Panch18 wrote: »

A headline in the Journal yesterday:

“PROTECTING OUR REPUTATION”

Author: Katherine O’Leary

I mean what ****ing planet are people living on. Are they so self obsessed that they don’t see the irony and complete and utter hypocrisy in their actions?

''You're not your brothers keeper'' come to mind, not fair to attack Katherine, the guy is an adult now

Castlekeeper

dmakc wrote: »

I'm sorry but i have to say that O'Leary is nothing short of a b*ll**ks. My heart bleeds for his pitiful self milking 240 cows getting to go on national TV saying he's no choice but to kill calves after 10 days. If you find yourself doing what he does it might be time to cut back and not be a selfish p***k, never mind dragging the image of the industry down with you. Maybe we do deserve to go down?

That mentality there again, ... they were in his way, he had no choice, I didn't like doing it but sure what could I do, I'm a busy man, commercial farmer yadda yadda, made sure he left everyone know how many cows he had though

But still mad for getting on the telly to boost the profile, there might be a big job in it yet.

Castlekeeper

Say my name wrote: »

It's foolish to think otherwise though.
Even family members with access to a smartphone are looking on to see what ye're saying.

I had a bord bia inspector on the round before this one comment to me didn't you do this very specific thing to me on the inspection. I hadn't it in the book. This was the only place I posted it. He had the specifics and quantity off by heart.
I also had the same from family members and even the milk lorry driver comment that something looked different than how it looked on here.

There's no hiding place on here. Not like Twitter or fb. I can't be the only one that's noticed that.
There's more on social media on their phones now than watch terrestrial tv.
Ye're the product that keeps boards.ie in the money.

I don't know about you "say my name", but I would have thought people would be fairly anonymous here unless they choose not to be?

Or maybe I'm a naive greenhorn?

straight

Castlekeeper wrote: »

That mentality there again, ... they were in his way, he had no choice, I didn't like doing it but sure what could I do, I'm a busy man, commercial farmer yadda yadda, made sure he left everyone know how many cows he had though

But still mad for getting on the telly to boost the profile, there might be a big job in it yet.

Surely he could manage with a few less cows. It's the like of him that swallowed all the teagasc/new Zealand **** that's ruining the whole thing. The day I'm told that you cant make a living out of 100 cows - I'm out. The big boys can have at it. 2 bad years and alot of them will be broke.

whelan2

straight wrote: »

Surely he could manage with a few less cows. It's the like of him that swallowed all the teagasc/new Zealand **** that's ruining the whole thing. The day I'm told that you cant make a living out of 100 cows - I'm out. The big boys can have at it. 2 bad years and alot of them will be broke.

Lads are still in debt from the drought last year

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

Lads are still in debt from the drought last year

The extended credit scheme from Glanbia has left a lot of lads in bother, with the crappy enough back end/low milk price and a huge chuck took out of peak months cheque paying it back, their is a lot of suppliers up to their necks in it

whelan2

jaymla627 wrote: »

The extended credit scheme from Glanbia has left a lot of lads in bother, with the crappy enough back end/low milk price and a huge chuck took out of peak months cheque paying it back, their is a lot of suppliers up to their necks in it

Trading accounts frozen apparently

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

The extended credit scheme from Glanbia has left a lot of lads in bother, with the crappy enough back end/low milk price and a huge chuck took out of peak months cheque paying it back, their is a lot of suppliers up to their necks in it

And how do you always know this stuff? I havebt been told by any I know that they have money troubles

whelan2

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

And how do you always know this stuff? I havebt been told by any I know that they have money troubles

Because board members have blabbed sensitive information. Gdpr how are you. I have heard the same from 2 different sources

Grueller

Lads and Ladies,
Please talk to me about water heating? Electric, gas or dairy geyser. I think that the electrical may be out as I am told I will never get a fully hot wash on the last few units?
How costly is gas to run? I have the installation costs for gas and am waiting on dairy geyser to come back to me.
I have been quoted €650 for an electric water heater.

Say my name

Castlekeeper wrote: »

I don't know about you "say my name", but I would have thought people would be fairly anonymous here unless they choose not to be?

Or maybe I'm a naive greenhorn?

The longer you're on here, your anonymity is gone. Sure I know your first name from private messages. I wouldn't share it but just saying. You know mine as well.

I've often typed out messages and then not posted them because of what the repercussions would be back on myself (in the real world).

The naivety will be bashed out of you in a while! Ha..

straight

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

And how do you always know this stuff? I havebt been told by any I know that they have money troubles

Contractors finding it hard to get paid this year.

Waffletraktor

straight wrote: »

The day I'm told that you cant make a living out of 100 cows - I'm out. The big boys can have at it. 2 bad years and alot of them will be broke.

Is this not the crux of the matter with farming?
People’s required income for their desired standard of living and their skills + the farms ability to provide it.

On a side note the whole calf thing of the last while and recent events is pure gravy for vegan “propaganda???”.

jaymla627

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

And how do you always know this stuff? I havebt been told by any I know that they have money troubles

If you go to your local committee meeting at years end ask what figure the co-op is carrying in debt owed to agri-trading side by farmers its north of 100 million and increasing every year.....
Was in store on Monday morning, and within 5 minutes 6 lads came in and where all waiting to speak to the lad over trading accounts and contra, thought it was strange but then it tweaked with us the trading statements where put up online that morning, the contra figures must of been higher then expected.....
Their is a nice little debt bubble out their but teagasc would have you believe dairy farms are almost debt free

Buford T. Justice XIX

Injuryprone wrote: »

Really......zero difference??
I think you're overestimating the popularity of this thread just a tad

Posting stuff on here is regarded in much the same way as taking out a front page ad on a national paper and publishing whatever your opinion on someone or something is. Not only would you be regarded as liable for posting it, the website would be liable for allowing it to remain up and mods would be in the firing line for not removing it.

I have no desire to spend a few years waiting for a court case to be called for something someone else posted.

Castlekeeper wrote: »

I don't know about you "say my name", but I would have thought people would be fairly anonymous here unless they choose not to be?

Or maybe I'm a naive greenhorn?

A bit naive, tbh. Everything you post remains on the internet somewhere. A large portion of us have posted enough identifying information on what we do and where we live and work to make it relatively easy to track us down.

Even outside of that, the IP address we need to use to gain access to the internet is linked to whatever device we use to access the net and that device is linked to whomever pays the bill for that internet access.

Just because we use an anonymous name here doesn't mean we can't easily be identified or there won't be repercussions in the real world for what we post on here.

We mods don't have access to that information, just to clarify, but the records can be accessed by the relevant authorities.

So when you post, it isn't like sitting down with a few mates over a hot whiskey in your living room. It's more like printing a poster including your name and address and walking up and down the street in front of the local Garda station.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU POST.

Normal service will now resume:pac:

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

If you go to your local committee meeting at years end ask what figure the co-op is carrying in debt owed to agri-trading side by farmers its north of 100 million and increasing every year.....
Was in store on Monday morning, and within 5 minutes 6 lads came in and where all waiting to speak to the lad over trading accounts and contra, thought it was strange but then it tweaked with us the trading statements where put up online that morning, the contra figures must of been higher then expected.....
Their is a nice little debt bubble out their but teagasc would have you believe dairy farms are almost debt free

65k the av farm debt is according to teagasc at yesterday's conference. In my own dg I'd say it's at least twice that with most, more if land has been bought. Would say most are doing quite well too, seem to have a good quality of life and standard of living, could never see us having that low of borrowings tbh

Buford T. Justice XIX

Grueller wrote: »

Lads and Ladies,
Please talk to me about water heating? Electric, gas or dairy geyser. I think that the electrical may be out as I am told I will never get a fully hot wash on the last few units?
How costly is gas to run? I have the installation costs for gas and am waiting on dairy geyser to come back to me.
I have been quoted €650 for an electric water heater.

I'm in the same boat as you. No hot water for the last few weeks after the heater sprung a leak on the inside. Currently washing at about 35 degrees.

I'll be putting in gas because I am always short on enough hot water for washing. The figures I was given were 35 euro a week to heat 300 liters a day on night rate and 8 euro a week on gas to heat the same.

Gas is bloody dear to put in first day, especially using bulk rather than bottles, but it should pay back over a few years especially having hot water on demand every day.

orm0nd

Fukdy Fukdy Fukdy FUUK

single tb reactor,

straight

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I'm in the same boat as you. No hot water for the last few weeks after the heater sprung a leak on the inside. Currently washing at about 35 degrees.

I'll be putting in gas because I am always short on enough hot water for washing. The figures I was given were 35 euro a week to heat 300 liters a day on night rate and 8 euro a week on gas to heat the same.

Gas is bloody dear to put in first day, especially using bulk rather than bottles, but it should pay back over a few years especially having hot water on demand every day.

Thinking of going down the gas route here too. Approx 2500 for installation I was told. Is that with a full tank of gas. Gas retails at approx 65 cent per litre I was told.

whelan2

orm0nd wrote: »

Fukdy Fukdy Fukdy FUUK

single tb reactor,

Where you clear before this

Mooooo

Grueller wrote: »

Lads and Ladies,
Please talk to me about water heating? Electric, gas or dairy geyser. I think that the electrical may be out as I am told I will never get a fully hot wash on the last few units?
How costly is gas to run? I have the installation costs for gas and am waiting on dairy geyser to come back to me.
I have been quoted €650 for an electric water heater.

If you want to use electric use two heater linked in series. The water coming out of one will be topped up by water from the second and so will have plenty hot water. Got Atlantic ones for 500 a piece in dairygold a few years back

Panch18

wrangler wrote: »

''You're not your brothers keeper'' come to mind, not fair to attack Katherine, the guy is an adult now

That farm is the basis of many of her articles, it provides the basis of her journalist income. In her article yesterday she was having a go at the beef protest, saying it was ruining the farming image. The very same day, the farm that she writes about, comes out on national television saying they are slaughtering calves at a young age. They chose to go on national tv to do that, the very same way she choose to publicly rebuke the tractor protest.

Now that is nothing short of utter hypocrisy in my mind. If she doesn't agree with tractor protest, thats fine, if they choose to slaughter calves, that again is their choice. But don't be complaining about damaging Irish agri when your very own flesh and blood goes on national TV to do far far more damage than the tractor protest

it stinks in my mind

Panch18

Waffletraktor wrote: »

.....

On a side note the whole calf thing of the last while and recent events is pure gravy for vegan “propaganda???”.

this in a nutshell is why i'm so p###sed off over the whole ear to the ground thing and the farming independent in the last few weeks

These guys are actively feeding the vegan propaganda machine - it's pure wreckless, uncalled for and unwarranted

wrangler

Panch18 wrote: »

That farm is the basis of many of her articles, it provides the basis of her journalist income. In her article yesterday she was having a go at the beef protest, saying it was ruining the farming image. The very same day, the farm that she writes about, comes out on national television saying they are slaughtering calves at a young age. They chose to go on national tv to do that, the very same way she choose to publicly rebuke the tractor protest.

Now that is nothing short of utter hypocrisy in my mind. If she doesn't agree with tractor protest, thats fine, if they choose to slaughter calves, that again is their choice. But don't be complaining about damaging Irish agri when your very own flesh and blood goes on national TV to do far far more damage than the tractor protest

it stinks in my mind

I actually thought he was independent, had his own herd.
Who has let the cat out of the bag is immaterial, it's common knowledge now.
Even before now you couldn't hush it up. I wonder is Prime Time still going to broadcast..........civil service should've been on the ball when that started happening, cows milking and no calves.....a miracle akin to the virgin birth

Panch18

wrangler wrote: »

I actually thought he was independent, had his own herd.
Who has let the cat out of the bag is immaterial, it's common knowledge now.
Even before now you couldn't hush it up. I wonder is Prime Time still going to broadcast..........civil service should've been on the ball when that started happening, cows milking and no calves.....a miracle akin to the virgin birth

It's not about cat out of the bag.

It's about feeding into the mass hysteria that the vegan cult is creating. When there is absolutely no need whatsoever to do so

Why did Ear to the Ground feel compelled to do the piece in the first place?
Why did O'Leary feel compelled to go on tv to inform the nation of what he is doing with his calves?

For what? what did either of those parties think they were going to achieve by their actions?

whelan2

What are the viewing figures for ettg?

Buford T. Justice XIX

straight wrote: »

Thinking of going down the gas route here too. Approx 2500 for installation I was told. Is that with a full tank of gas. Gas retails at approx 65 cent per litre I was told.

Is that 2.5k with or without VAT?

I was quoted about 3k for installation by Calor, gas not included. Nearly a month now since I was talking to them about it and still haven't arrived for a look. I was saying it to a neighbour who has one in and was directed to a guy that installs them so I'm going to wait to see what he can do for me and the cost before I decide.

straight

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Is that 2.5k with or without VAT?

I was quoted about 3k for installation by Calor, gas not included. Nearly a month now since I was talking to them about it and still haven't arrived for a look. I was saying it to a neighbour who has one in and was directed to a guy that installs them so I'm going to wait to see what he can do for me and the cost before I decide.

Fella from calor at a trade show told me about 2500. I presume plus vat. That 2500 could be 3000 if it was written down. I heard you would need 2 boilers to get to 80 deg. It was my neighbour told me about the free gas.

Buford T. Justice XIX

straight wrote: »

Fella from calor at a trade show told me about 2500. I presume plus vat. That 2500 could be 3000 if it was written down. I heard you would need 2 boilers to get to 80 deg. It was my neighbour told me about the free gas.

I think the free gas was there to drive interest initially but I can't say for sure if it's there still or not until somebody gets back to me on it. I'll post a bit more once I get some details back.

Dakota Dan

I hear that RTE prime time have a program for January on calves with 60 hours footage and they are saying that if if you thought the program on greyhounds was bad this will come across 100 times worse. Nice timing as well, start of the calving season and no doubt every farmer will be tarred with the same brush.

dmakc

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I hear that RTE prime time have a program for January on calves with 60 hours footage and they are saying that if if you thought the program on greyhounds was bad this will come across 100 times worse. Nice timing as well, start of the calving season and no doubt every farmer will be tarred with the same brush.

Also veganuary ffs

Buford T. Justice XIX

dmakc wrote: »

Also veganuary ffs

The month before Februdairy:pac:

Buford T. Justice XIX

orm0nd wrote: »

Fukdy Fukdy Fukdy FUUK

single tb reactor,

Balls:(

Start of May before you'll be clear?

How are you sorted for keeping all the calves?

straight

Panch18 wrote: »

That farm is the basis of many of her articles, it provides the basis of her journalist income. In her article yesterday she was having a go at the beef protest, saying it was ruining the farming image. The very same day, the farm that she writes about, comes out on national television saying they are slaughtering calves at a young age. They chose to go on national tv to do that, the very same way she choose to publicly rebuke the tractor protest.

Now that is nothing short of utter hypocrisy in my mind. If she doesn't agree with tractor protest, thats fine, if they choose to slaughter calves, that again is their choice. But don't be complaining about damaging Irish agri when your very own flesh and blood goes on national TV to do far far more damage than the tractor protest

it stinks in my mind

She doesn't agree with the protests because they're up to their neck with the IFA too.

Grueller

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Is that 2.5k with or without VAT?

I was quoted about 3k for installation by Calor, gas not included. Nearly a month now since I was talking to them about it and still haven't arrived for a look. I was saying it to a neighbour who has one in and was directed to a guy that installs them so I'm going to wait to see what he can do for me and the cost before I decide.

I was quoted €2500 + vat
3 week lead time
You never own the tank its rented from and maintained by calor for €80 per year
€600 worth of gas included in the deal.

straight

Grueller wrote: »

I was quoted €2500 + vat
3 week lead time
You never own the tank its rented from and maintained by calor for €80 per year
€600 worth of gas included in the deal.

They can't sell you the tank because they are responsible for the maintenance. Understandable.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Grueller wrote: »

I was quoted €2500 + vat
3 week lead time
You never own the tank its rented from and maintained by calor for €80 per year
€600 worth of gas included in the deal.

It must be a certain distance away from buildings as well, iirc. That makes it a small bit more awkward where I want to put it.

wrangler

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

It must be a certain distance away from buildings as well, iirc. That makes it a small bit more awkward where I want to put it.

Some put it underground don't they.

Buford T. Justice XIX

wrangler wrote: »

Some put it underground don't they.

Never heard of it round here, anyway, wrangler.

wrangler

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Never heard of it round here, anyway, wrangler.

There on this website

https://www.flogas.ie/residential/lpg/bottled-gas-and-bulk-gas.html

ozil10

Put in flogas tank a month ago
It had to be over 3m away from the building

Morris Moss

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

It must be a certain distance away from buildings as well, iirc. That makes it a small bit more awkward where I want to put it.

Went with oil here, 2 tanks is what we used for the year, it's another option for you anyway.

Castlekeeper

Anyone consider a solar system, wouldn't be much topping up do for most of the year. There are supposed to be some quire simple and efficient units out there. I remember seeing one at a show with a cylindrical tank onto the panels, the lads were from North Cork, a few years back but I never followed it up!