Dairy Chitchat 3

einn32

straight wrote: »

Average industrial wage at least

Last year a full time employee had average industrial earnings of €47,596 according to a journal.ie article. The average overall was €38,871.

GrasstoMilk

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Debating whether to milk or not. The girls seem happy enough atm.

Hows the grab going?.

Buford T. Justice XIX

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Hows the grab going?.

Great, tbh. I need a wall to push the squashed bales against to get a good hold of the plastic on those but I can work around them, mostly.

I'm keeping about 95% of the plastic and about 90% of the netting. The plastic can be pulled out from under the remains of the half bale the following day and the netting is the start of the net around the bale and no catcher is going to get that so that has to be pulled off by hand after feeding.

I'll be opening the pit next week so that will be a test as the teeth are about 3 inches shallower than the sides so there'll be a few tufts of silage left on the pit face, I'd say.

whelan2

What price are silage bales atm. Very good quality from reseeded new ground.

Millionaire only not

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Great, tbh. I need a wall to push the squashed bales against to get a good hold of the plastic on those but I can work around them, mostly.

I'm keeping about 95% of the plastic and about 90% of the netting. The plastic can be pulled out from under the remains of the half bale the following day and the netting is the start of the net around the bale and no catcher is going to get that so that has to be pulled off by hand after feeding.

I'll be opening the pit next week so that will be a test as the teeth are about 3 inches shallower than the sides so there'll be a few tufts of silage left on the pit face, I'd say.

I turn them push them down to the ground , I have a tanco on a Teleporter. the tanco bale shears only thing they ever managed to make right !
The Cashel and them might not work that way they look bigger

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

What price are silage bales atm. Very good quality from reseeded new ground.

25 euro I'd reckon, getting beet delivered to yard washed for 40 euro ton, alot better value if set-up with diet feeder to chop and feed it out, has put some condition up on cows since they went on it a month ago

whelan2

jaymla627 wrote: »

25 euro I'd reckon, getting beet delivered to yard washed for 40 euro ton, alot better value if set-up with diet feeder to chop and feed it out, has put some condition up on cows since they went on it a month ago

I'm buying in bales at 25 delivered. I had a terrible year off farm, didnt get to make many bales.

straight

jaymla627 wrote: »

25 euro I'd reckon, getting beet delivered to yard washed for 40 euro ton, alot better value if set-up with diet feeder to chop and feed it out, has put some condition up on cows since they went on it a month ago

Is the beet good to milk off of in the spring?

jaymla627

straight wrote: »

Is the beet good to milk off of in the spring?

Milk through here all year round and cows are flying on it milk wise, using up a pit of fairly mediocre silage but the beet is compensating for it, big time....
Going pitting 350 ton of it after xmas for buffering with year round instead of silage, the shine and condition of the cows on it is something else

awaywithyou

jaymla627 wrote: »

Milk through here all year round and cows are flying on it milk wise, using up a pit of fairly mediocre silage but the beet is compensating for it, big time....
Going pitting 350 ton of it after xmas for buffering with year round instead of silage, the shine and condition of the cows on it is something else

sugar beet or fodder beet.....?

Panch18

jaymla627 wrote: »

Milk through here all year round and cows are flying on it milk wise, using up a pit of fairly mediocre silage but the beet is compensating for it, big time....
Going pitting 350 ton of it after xmas for buffering with year round instead of silage, the shine and condition of the cows on it is something else

Will you put something in the pit with it? Straw or maize?

What’s you’re approach to washing and chopping going to be?

jaymla627

awaywithyou wrote: »

sugar beet or fodder beet.....?

Its enermax, hybrid beet, sugar beet taints milk at higher feed rates, over 12kgs fresh, they're on 20kgs fresh at the minute and no issues

Mooooo

straight wrote: »

Is the beet good to milk off of in the spring?

Good in fairness, cow's go mad for it so if buffering would need plenty feed space or they'll blow each other out of it. A fair bit of work if you have to go washing and chopping yourself tho esp at calving time. Last time we had beet the diet was silage maize and beet and a 3 way mix. Fresh Cow's drove on and held condition. But there was two of us there then in the yard. Edit may have to balance it for minerals

jaymla627

Panch18 wrote: »

Will you put something in the pit with it? Straw or maize?

What’s you’re approach to washing and chopping going to be?

Tillage farmer will drop it up washed and chopped, will run through tub feeder then and mix in something like oat feed to soak up beet juices at a rate of 4 to 1, whatever can be got in bulk and cheap...will clamp it then pit needs to be long and narrow

jaymla627

Mooooo wrote: »

Good in fairness, cow's go mad for it so if buffering would need plenty feed space or they'll blow each other out of it. A fair bit of work if you have to go washing and chopping yourself tho esp at calving time. Last time we had beet the diet was silage maize and beet and a 3 way mix. Fresh Cow's drove on and held condition. But there was two of us there then in the yard

Get it delivered washed here and 14 cube tub will chop up 6 and a half ton in 10 minutes, keeps for 2-3 days perfect and put threw feeder as needed in tmr, alot less messing then bales if set-up right

Mooooo

Any of ye paint yer calving / calf sheds and if so what do ye use?. Would be a mix of old plastered block walls and mass concrete.

steer

jaymla627 wrote: »

25 euro I'd reckon, getting beet delivered to yard washed for 40 euro ton, alot better value if set-up with diet feeder to chop and feed it out, has put some condition up on cows since they went on it a month ago

How many kilos of beet are you feeding?

Base price

Mooooo wrote: »

Any of ye paint yer calving / calf sheds and if so what do ye use?. Would be a mix of old plastered block walls and mass concrete.

We clean out and power hose the calf rearing sheds during the Summer months and paint the dividing gates/feed barriers.
Our calf rearing sheds lay idle until the following Spring. I white wash the walls, gates and feed barriers to about 3' with a fluffy roller and hydrated lime. It has worked well for us over the years.

K.G.

Mooooo wrote: »

Any of ye paint yer calving / calf sheds and if so what do ye use?. Would be a mix of old plastered block walls and mass concrete.

Either "vanilla sundae"or "natural calico"

jaymla627

steer wrote: »

How many kilos of beet are you feeding?

20kgs freshweight a cow per day, same to incalf heifers and weanlings are on 10kgs

Castlekeeper

kevthegaff wrote: »

Could ye get the stuff for the fields tipped I was wondering, only 17euro a ton

Blocks up tanks and slurry channels .

Millionaire only not

jaymla627 wrote: »

Milk through here all year round and cows are flying on it milk wise, using up a pit of fairly mediocre silage but the beet is compensating for it, big time....
Going pitting 350 ton of it after xmas for buffering with year round instead of silage, the shine and condition of the cows on it is something else

Hi just buying beet for the first time , was wondering how much would u feed to milking cows calves late spring ?
And how much would u feed to spring calving cows in jan / feb ?
Thks

jaymla627

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Hi just buying beet for the first time , was wondering how much would u feed to milking cows calves late spring ?
And how much would u feed to spring calving cows in jan / feb ?
Thks

I'd say 20 kgs freshweight is the max you could go on both counts , you need to be getting a1kgs plus of straw into them daily aswell to keep stomachs right, feeding a 28% protein balancer nut with extra phosphorus/minerals plus actisaaf also, beet is low in protein so at a feed rate of 20kgs you need 3kgs of the above mix to balance it, if cows are out on grass in Spring you'd get away without such a high pr ration but would want to be supplementing with phosphorus some other way

cosatron

socks are the vain of my life. any recommendations for socks that don't have a hole in the heal after a month. I don't want a thick sock just a normal boot sock. I was buying the tk maxx 3 for a tenner Dunlop socks and I like them but holes come very fast in them.

straight

cosatron wrote: »

socks are the vain of my life. any recommendations for socks that don't have a hole in the heal after a month. I don't want a thick sock just a normal boot sock. I was buying the tk maxx 3 for a tenner Dunlop socks and I like them but holes come very fast in them.

Did u not hear that socks are out of fashion at the moment.

cosatron

straight wrote: »

Did u not hear that socks are out of fashion at the moment.

Ha, The cows aren’t up with the fashion, there old school Holsteins that like there comfort and a good dinner so I should fine

Grueller

straight wrote: »

Did u not hear that socks are out of fashion at the moment.

The type that follow that fashion tend not to wear wellies too often.

Gawddawggonnit

One of the lads just found a camera in one of the chicken houses. There’s no way of entry without a key and the key is well hidden outside. Whoever placed the camera must’ve hidden in the bushes and waited to see where the key is hidden...

Be careful folks, there are people out there that want to nail agriculture.

Wildsurfer

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

One of the lads just found a camera in one of the chicken houses. There’s no way of entry without a key and the key is well hidden outside. Whoever placed the camera must’ve hidden in the bushes and waited to see where the key is hidden...

Be careful folks, there are people out there that want to nail agriculture.

Maybe one of your workers put it there? Whats the French equivalent of Prime Time investigates....

Millionaire only not

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

One of the lads just found a camera in one of the chicken houses. There’s no way of entry without a key and the key is well hidden outside. Whoever placed the camera must’ve hidden in the bushes and waited to see where the key is hidden...

Be careful folks, there are people out there that want to nail agriculture.

Few empty shot gun shells around the place works wonders as a deterrent !

I’d leave one with the key and a note saying (looking for this) -lol

Gawddawggonnit

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Maybe one of your workers put it there? Whats the French equivalent of Prime Time investigates....

There’s a whole station, FR2, that occupies itself with such. Last week they reckoned that farmers are the main cause of cancer and that all agri chemicals should be banned. I know a program producer there that says the hardcore anti-Ag have no interest in balance because it doesn’t suit their agenda.
In fairness nobody takes any real notice of them. The natives know their food and know where to source it.

Buford T. Justice XIX

So I put a water softener in last week and I said I'd let you know what I found.

The first two days were a bit frightening as the wash water came out OK but turned brown during the wash. Since then, the water has been crystal clear and all the detergent I've used has been dissolved fully in the wash. There used always be some powder left on the bottom of the wash trough that wasn't fully dissolved but nothing now so all the detergent is now dissolved for use.

I used have to walk the clusters at the start of the wash as some wouldn't circulate properly, one or two the odd occasion, but there's only one not circulating every 3 or 4 washes.

I'm half thinking of just putting in a normal electric heater as the limescale doesn't look like it's going to be an issue anymore.

whelan2

Getting there

jaymla627

Time to say bye bye to derogation going of latest epa water quality report, the new raft of measures coming down the line will be some hit on pockets to achieve compliance going forward

Keep Sluicing

jaymla627 wrote: »

Time to say bye bye to derogation going of latest epa water quality report, the new raft of measures coming down the line will be some hit on pockets to achieve compliance going forward

What if i recieve no payments of any kind (sfp, anc etc) can i work away tp what ever stocking rate i want?

Millionaire only not

whelan2 wrote: »

Getting there

Nice job

whelan2

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Nice job

Hopefully in by Monday.

whelan2

jaymla627 wrote: »

Time to say bye bye to derogation going of latest epa water quality report, the new raft of measures coming down the line will be some hit on pockets to achieve compliance going forward

Agriland are saying raw sewerage is the worst offender

yosemitesam1

jaymla627 wrote: »

Time to say bye bye to derogation going of latest epa water quality report, the new raft of measures coming down the line will be some hit on pockets to achieve compliance going forward

The effects of quota removal should be starting to hit water quality now too so it's only likely to get worse over the next few years

straight

whelan2 wrote: »

Agriland are saying raw sewerage is the worst offender

Na, it couldn't be all that raw sewage flowing in from towns and cities. It must be the big bad farmer. Sure everything else is their fault too.

yosemitesam1

whelan2 wrote: »

Agriland are saying raw sewerage is the worst offender

The IFA are

Panch18

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The IFA are

The IFA are right - on this particular topic anyway

yosemitesam1

Panch18 wrote: »

The IFA are right - on this particular topic anyway

The suir catchment is the worst performer in the country and just happens to be where the largest increase in cow numbers has happened in that time period... It's not all raw sewage that's leading to these decreases

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The suir catchment is the worst performer in the country and just happens to be where the largest increase in cow numbers has happened in that time period... It's not all raw sewage that's leading to these decreases

Dock spray is being identified in some of the waterways, that didn't come from sewerage

jaymla627

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

What if i recieve no payments of any kind (sfp, anc etc) can i work away tp what ever stocking rate i want?

Depends on your county council, department wont bother you at the minute anyway once you go off the radar, i.e dont submit any information re land farmed

Buford T. Justice XIX

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The suir catchment is the worst performer in the country and just happens to be where the largest increase in cow numbers has happened in that time period... It's not all raw sewage that's leading to these decreases

True, but it's not all cows doing the polluting as well. From the reporting by the media, only Agriculture is doing any polluting.

Even the recent huge discharge from North Dublin was described as due to excess rainfall.

I wonder if we would escape censure as easily if an excess of rainfall caused pollution in a local river?

jaymla627

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

True, but it's not all cows doing the polluting as well. From the reporting by the media, only Agriculture is doing any polluting.

Even the recent huge discharge from North Dublin was described as due to excess rainfall.

I wonder if we would escape censure as easily if an excess of rainfall caused pollution in a local river?

Two major fish kills here locally last summer due to silage effluent, trying to divert attention to a untouchable and unaccountable local councils isn't going to take the heat of farmers

Panch18

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The suir catchment is the worst performer in the country and just happens to be where the largest increase in cow numbers has happened in that time period... It's not all raw sewage that's leading to these decreases

I have land on the Suir

When i look across the opposite bank there is a pipe coming directly from the village mains sewer straight into the river - untreated. Every house in the village is flushing their toilet straight into the river.

Whats more is the number of houses in this village has more than doubled since the year 2000, tripled is probably more accurate

Whats more is there was an article in the times or indo recently highlighting all the towns and villages that were letting raw sewage into the rivers - and guess what, absolutely no sign of this particular village

So there are "facts" when it comes to beating agri - but then there is reality. The reality often doesn't seem to matter these days

Buford T. Justice XIX

jaymla627 wrote: »

Two major fish kills here locally last summer due to silage effluent, trying to divert attention to a untouchable and unaccountable local councils isn't going to take the heat of farmers

A neighbour has land bounding a local village sewage discharge pipe.

He can tell to the minute when the discharges are left off and there seems to be no filtration at times there.

And that discharge is counted as Ag discharge when the river is sampled.

An open secret but I wouldn't expect RTE to have a programme on it, for some strange reason:rolleyes:

Birdnuts

Panch18 wrote: »

I have land on the Suir

When i look across the opposite bank there is a pipe coming directly from the village mains sewer straight into the river - untreated. Every house in the village is flushing their toilet straight into the river.

Whats more is the number of houses in this village has more than doubled since the year 2000, tripled is probably more accurate

Whats more is there was an article in the times or indo recently highlighting all the towns and villages that were letting raw sewage into the rivers - and guess what, absolutely no sign of this particular village

So there are "facts" when it comes to beating agri - but then there is reality. The reality often doesn't seem to matter these days

No one comes out good from this report - it does mention the issue of sewage discharges but nitrate losses from farmland also get alot of coverge with the SE and South Midlands seeing the most severe deteriation on that front. Also quiet shocking how the number of "pristine" water bodies has collapsed to virtually nothing since the 80'S:eek::(