Dairy Chitchat 3

Millionaire only not

straight wrote: »

I'm expecting a few dairy farmers to be in the top 10 of Ireland's rich list...

I’m expecting to pick up cheap parlour in next few years !

Millionaire only not

Mooooo wrote: »

Dried off the last of the cow's yday. Plenty milk on the cubicles today and they weren't exactly driving milk perhaps averaging 10 to 12 litres

Hay or straw only answer but Ud want to do it 2/3 days before u tube

Millionaire only not

K9 wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more, said something similar months ago. All beef farmers are doing is providing free labour so the dairy farmer can milk more cows. They’d be better off getting a job working for them rearing the calves. IMO a calf is the dearest animal you can buy

No all that’s happening is free labour and cheap beef for Larry !
People would want seriously grow up!
Why has ireland to lead the way for climate change , much less not slaughter unwanted calves at birth !
New Zealand and Uk gets away with it and if Ireland did it in a humane way what’s the problem!
Giving money towards men that can afford calf feeders Christ’s sake !
If not slaughter make the dairy farmer pay 20/50 towards the calf and further subsidy of say 50 from government !
The dairy farmer is the one to pay for the unwanted product !

atlantic mist

1.5m between 17,000 dairy farmers, thats a grant of 88 euros each if we all apply

from what i read nothing said beef farmers are not eligible, they are writing to dairy farmers as this is where the extra 200k calves will be coming from

production right tooted for 2021 so next year could be the last increase in numbers

K.G.

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Absolutely.
Anyone could see these grants coming. But grant aiding dairy farmers without giving a thought to the traditional calf rearers/buyers is beyond shortsighted.
Gov need to go big on this and ‘create’ a veal industry. Big money needs to be invested NOW to be in some way prepared for when live exports of calves are finished.
Bit of vote buying...a few quid being thrown about to be seen to address the issue...etc etc.
I honestly believe that if huge money isn’t spent on this immediately there’s the possibility of a less than desirable outcome.

This is nothing more than a pr stunt.no point in it and will make zero difference to situation.much better off throwing the 1.5 into a semen sexing lab because this is the only solution.by the way calf rearing will have to be done on dairy farms because theres not many now knows how to rear a calf

Gawddawggonnit

Base price wrote: »

I doubt there is financial viability for a veal industry in Ireland. As previously posted I looked into it some years ago. We have a 3 maybe 4 month window for purchasing calves. The input costs (milk replacer, meal and straw) are prohibitive before you take into account the variability of factory prices including transport costs to mainland EU.

It’ll have to be revisited BP.
When you throw in a few hundred thousand extra calves remaining in Ireland the only outlet I can think of is veal. The veal calf is finished and slaughtered before the cow produces another calf. Holding them to finish at 30mts is going to result in a massive numbers explosion...Larry would love that.

At the end of the day the dairy farmers aren’t going to give up their xbreds, and why should they, Teagasc and the Gov advised them that that was the only option for expansion. That dairy expansion was largely funded by Government was it not??

Veal would take out the surplus crap calves and leave room for the traditional beef suckler animals to maintain the quality of proper Irish beef. Irish beef needs to have a core herd of decent beef animals to be able to compete against all the other countries that do produce quality beef animals...the likes of France with its purebred Charolais, Limousins, Blondes etc would wipe the floor with Irelands xbreds in the international beef markets.

IMO the Gov and the dairy industry will need to financially support a new veal industry. If you throw plenty money at veal it’ll take off...it took off with dairy didn’t it? In France the veal processors are strong enough to be able to grant aid the expansion and future of their own industry...how come?

The whole issue is a good example of the law of unintended consequences when Governments get involved in markets...

stretch film

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

We've one ordered, I'd be trying to get the grant on it if possible. Advisor reckons itll be some what like the fooder scheme back in 17/18 where you just apply

Retrospectively??
Have a deal done too. Don't like the idea of waiting for ages to get approval and then being at the end of a long queue for installation.
An over subscribed scheme will leave little enough after fees.
How many max grants on say feeders in 1.5 mil and that's not including all other equipment

straight

stretch film wrote: »

Retrospectively??
Have a deal done too. Don't like the idea of waiting for ages to get approval and then being at the end of a long queue for installation.
An over subscribed scheme will leave little enough after fees.
How many max grants on say feeders in 1.5 mil and that's not including all other equipment

200 calf feeders. It's a pittance.

stretch film

straight wrote: »

200 calf feeders. It's a pittance.

I knew the sum 😊 a pittance indeed. Take away the Cost of applying also.
And ffs opening it a few weeks before calving.

I don't see any stipulation on gov,. Ie about it being for dairy farms only. Icsa commented yesterday actually

whelan2

stretch film wrote: »

I knew the sum 😊 a pittance indeed. Take away the Cost of applying also.
And ffs opening it a few weeks before calving.

I don't see any stipulation on gov,. Ie about it being for dairy farms only. Icsa commented yesterday actually

I think it's just a token , to be seen to be doing something about the situation but not worth a fook in reality

GrasstoMilk

stretch film wrote: »

Retrospectively??
Have a deal done too. Don't like the idea of waiting for ages to get approval and then being at the end of a long queue for installation.
An over subscribed scheme will leave little enough after fees.
How many max grants on say feeders in 1.5 mil and that's not including all other equipment

I'll see what next week brings info wise on it. We're putting it in regardless of the grant but if theres one to be got I may aswell get it. My advisor reckons itll be something like the fodder scheme. You just apply and work on and if you get approval happy days

K.G.

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

It’ll have to be revisited BP.
When you throw in a few hundred thousand extra calves remaining in Ireland the only outlet I can think of is veal. The veal calf is finished and slaughtered before the cow produces another calf. Holding them to finish at 30mts is going to result in a massive numbers explosion...Larry would love that.

At the end of the day the dairy farmers aren’t going to give up their xbreds, and why should they, Teagasc and the Gov advised them that that was the only option for expansion. That dairy expansion was largely funded by Government was it not??

Veal would take out the surplus crap calves and leave room for the traditional beef suckler animals to maintain the quality of proper Irish beef. Irish beef needs to have a core herd of decent beef animals to be able to compete against all the other countries that do produce quality beef animals...the likes of France with its purebred Charolais, Limousins, Blondes etc would wipe the floor with Irelands xbreds in the international beef markets.

IMO the Gov and the dairy industry will need to financially support a new veal industry. If you throw plenty money at veal it’ll take off...it took off with dairy didn’t it? In France the veal processors are strong enough to be able to grant aid the expansion and future of their own industry...how come?

The whole issue is a good example of the law of unintended consequences when Governments get involved in markets...

Veal wont work as you no continuity of supply and the export of veal
will only feck up European veal.

GrasstoMilk

straight wrote: »

200 calf feeders. It's a pittance.

Its 40% of 7500e so its 3000 per feeder which works out at 500 2 station feeders

Gawddawggonnit

K.G. wrote: »

Veal wont work as you no continuity of supply and the export of veal
will only feck up European veal.

The calves that are being exported are already going for veal in European markets.
In fact it makes a lot more economic sense that the calves are reared and processed in Ireland than exported on the hoof.
One would think that 40ft reefer containers full of veal are a much more efficient way of exporting veal than specialised attic trailers with live calves?

Why wouldn’t there be a continuity of supply? Rear the xbred calves to 10-12mts before slaughter. They’ll probably need the extra few weeks to finish anyway...

K.G.

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

The calves that are being exported are already going for veal in European markets.
In fact it makes a lot more economic sense that the calves are reared and processed in Ireland than exported on the hoof.
One would think that 40ft reefer containers full of veal are a much more efficient way of exporting veal than specialised attic trailers with live calves?

Why wouldn’t there be a continuity of supply? Rear the xbred calves to 10-12mts before slaughter. They’ll probably need the extra few weeks to finish anyway...

So either two things.one we have a veal season where people eat alot of veal and have little veal next 9 mo ths or we export a glut of veal every.12 momths-not a promising setup for any business.veal is not the answer in my books.as for x breeds i can only say there is a big move away from them in our area for 3 reasons
The x breed calf problem
X breds have little advantage over fr now in fertility and if anything lads are thinking of how to depressurise calving season
Increasing milk volumes. Around west cork many places have hit max stocking rate and are looking to increasin production per cow rather than hunting numbers. Not talking about 10 k litres more try ing to move from 5000l acow to 6000 or 7000.taking on more land involves a series of investments which fellas are saying is not worth the hassle with the margin in milk at the moment

stretch film

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Its 40% of 7500e so its 3000 per feeder which works out at 500 2 station feeders

It's a limited pool of money and open to as many applicants as wish to avail of it
400 feeder applications half the money and so on.
Plenty other items will be applied for. Minimum amount is 1000

yosemitesam1

K.G. wrote: »

So either two things.one we have a veal season where people eat alot of veal and have little veal next 9 mo ths or we export a glut of veal every.12 momths-not a promising setup for any business.veal is not the answer in my books.as for x breeds i can only say there is a big move away from them in our area for 3 reasons
The x breed calf problem
X breds have little advantage over fr now in fertility and if anything lads are thinking of how to depressurise calving season
Increasing milk volumes. Around west cork many places have hit max stocking rate and are looking to increasin production per cow rather than hunting numbers. Not talking about 10 k litres more try ing to move from 5000l acow to 6000 or 7000.taking on more land involves a series of investments which fellas are saying is not worth the hassle with the margin in milk at the moment

Veal is lovely. It's a wonder that it's not really available at all. There's surely potential to soak up a good few calves even if it is seasonal

Buford T. Justice XIX

Clear test:)

whelan2

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Clear test:)

Happy Christmas

straight

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Veal is lovely. It's a wonder that it's not really available at all. There's surely potential to soak up a good few calves even if it is seasonal

Rosé grass fed veal is the nicest of all reportedly

The Rabbi

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Clear test:)

Relationships will be back to normal soon.;)

roosterman71

The environmentalists are putting a fight up against the planned Glanbia cheese plant in Kilkenny now
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/glanbia-cheese-plant-faces-objections-over-dairy-herd-emissions-1.4121481

Gawddawggonnit

K.G. wrote: »

So either two things.one we have a veal season where people eat alot of veal and have little veal next 9 mo ths or we export a glut of veal every.12 momths-not a promising setup for any business.veal is not the answer in my books.

Irish won’t eat veal for ‘ethical’ reasons.

Yes there would be a glut of veal over a couple of months every year, but surely that’s the dairy industry’s fault? Dairy industry can’t have their cake and eat it.
Thus the dairy industry need to subsidize the veal producers. It’s happened here.

The dairy industry want xbreds, unlimited nitrates, spring calving etc etc, and the Government to pick up the tab...unfortunately only the banks get that kind of preferential treatment.

Gawddawggonnit

straight wrote: »

Rosé grass fed veal is the nicest of all reportedly

Veal is veal.
Pork and veal are much the same kind of meat. No aging needed either.

Castlekeeper

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Irish won’t eat veal for ‘ethical’ reasons.

Yes there would be a glut of veal over a couple of months every year, but surely that’s the dairy industry’s fault? Dairy industry can’t have their cake and eat it.
Thus the dairy industry need to subsidize the veal producers. It’s happened here.

The dairy industry want xbreds, unlimited nitrates, spring calving etc etc, and the Government to pick up the tab...unfortunately only the banks get that kind of preferential treatment.

Maybe the name is the problem? People have no problem eating pork, chicken, even lamb! Maybe we should rebrand it as calf?

K.G.

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Irish won’t eat veal for ‘ethical’ reasons.

Yes there would be a glut of veal over a couple of months every year, but surely that’s the dairy industry’s fault? Dairy industry can’t have their cake and eat it.
Thus the dairy industry need to subsidize the veal producers. It’s happened here.

The dairy industry want xbreds, unlimited nitrates, spring calving etc etc, and the Government to pick up the tab...unfortunately only the banks get that kind of preferential treatment.

Another take on it.30 % bred to sexed semen and the rest bred off beef breeds bred off fr cows.test.requirement moved to 60 days to facilitate bringing calves to a relative easy stage to manage and rear.then moved to farms where you have decent scale to avail of efficiency s and slaughtered at different stages from 20 to 30 months depending on the animal.no pricking around marts or throwing big bales into round feeders or poisoning dear bags of beef nuts.obviously the increase in dairy births is going to have to be balanced against a reduction in sucklers but that s happening already.enough day dreaming back to raving about irish veal

Say my name

A quare lot of posturing going on lately..!!

You have the Greens gone anti dairy.
You have An Taisce the same with the same people in both.
You have feed mills in cahoots with the processors looking to make more money and talk of stopping exports.
You have small dairy farmers who never expanded and bred a dual purpose animal and always sold their calves for a good few coin being asked now to give their calves away for free and put coin with them to help the next fella.

Funny old world. Who'd be the small dairy farmer?
Well there mightnt be for much longer.
I'd be a nice ole world then.

Poor oul farmer and not a representative in any of the unions.

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Happy Christmas

It will be now:pac:

straight

Say my name wrote: »

A quare lot of posturing going on lately..!!

You have the Greens gone anti dairy.
You have An Taisce the same with the same people in both.
You have feed mills in cahoots with the processors looking to make more money and talk of stopping exports.
You have small dairy farmers who never expanded and bred a dual purpose animal and always sold their calves for a good few coin being asked now to give their calves away for free and put coin with them to help the next fella.

Funny old world. Who'd be the small dairy farmer?
Well there mightnt be for much longer.
I'd be a nice ole world then.

Poor oul farmer and not a representative in any of the unions.

I suppose most of us are small dairy farmers really. Need the money for the calves and the cull cows.

Say my name

straight wrote: »

I suppose most of us are small dairy farmers really. Need the money for the calves and the cull cows.

Are jeez we're not all.

There should be a differential made between less than 70 and maybe even less than 60 and the rest and probably look into properly looking after those that they don't disappear.

All the talk of dairy is of these big bad dairies taking over 3 and 4 farms with rotaries with jersey cross and 40foot wide cow roads and limited company ownership and foreign workers working on the farm while the owner's are attending the latest national grassland meeting sponsored by a fertilizer company, making an average income of €60k published by teagasc's profit monitor while posting about calves and culls on social media making beer money as a badge of honour.

alps

Say my name wrote: »

Are jeez we're not all.

There should be a differential made between less than 70 and maybe even less than 60 and the rest and probably look into properly looking after those that they don't disappear.

All the talk of dairy is of these big bad dairies taking over 3 and 4 farms with rotaries with jersey cross and 40foot wide cow roads and limited company ownership and foreign workers working on the farm while the owner's are attending the latest national grassland meeting sponsored by a fertilizer company, making an average income of €60k published by teagasc's profit monitor while posting about calves and culls on social media making beer money as a badge of honour.

Have you booked in? Should be a good outing..

Say my name

alps wrote: »

Have you booked in? Should be a good outing..

No I'm thinking i probably should now.

I left out.. those coke and hookers..

GrasstoMilk

Say my name wrote: »

Are jeez we're not all.

There should be a differential made between less than 70 and maybe even less than 60 and the rest and probably look into properly looking after those that they don't disappear.

All the talk of dairy is of these big bad dairies taking over 3 and 4 farms with rotaries with jersey cross and 40foot wide cow roads and limited company ownership and foreign workers working on the farm while the owner's are attending the latest national grassland meeting sponsored by a fertilizer company, making an average income of €60k published by teagasc's profit monitor while posting about calves and culls on social media making beer money as a badge of honour.

You'll be reminiscing in 40 years time when three 4 week old calves would buy the tonne of meal back in 20 and 15
I'd say you're doing all right say!

Say my name

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

You'll be reminiscing in 40 years time when three 4 week old calves would buy the tonne of meal back in 20 and 15
I'd say you're doing all right say!

In 40 years time I'll be stuck in my office giving out about the drone tractors breaking down during the Jerusalem artichoke harvest.

Ah I've a good enough life. Feckers in this country though if they think you're doing anything any good they try and ride you while sitting on their own arses.

straight

Say my name wrote: »

In 40 years time I'll be stuck in my office giving out about the drone tractors breaking down during the Jerusalem artichoke harvest.

Ah I've a good enough life. Feckers in this country though if they think you're doing anything any good they try and ride you while sitting on their own arses.

Yep, I hate that too. Ah sure he has plenty, take, take take. Fact that you'd be working hard for it just doesn't matter.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Say my name wrote: »

Are jeez we're not all.

There should be a differential made between less than 70 and maybe even less than 60 and the rest and probably look into properly looking after those that they don't disappear.

All the talk of dairy is of these big bad dairies taking over 3 and 4 farms with rotaries with jersey cross and 40foot wide cow roads and limited company ownership and foreign workers working on the farm while the owner's are attending the latest national grassland meeting sponsored by a fertilizer company, making an average income of €60k published by teagasc's profit monitor while posting about calves and culls on social media making beer money as a badge of honour.

I remember a lad on here a good few years ago that said he wouldn't get out of bed in the morning for less than 100 cows.:)

whelan2

Say my name wrote: »

Are jeez we're not all.

There should be a differential made between less than 70 and maybe even less than 60 and the rest and probably look into properly looking after those that they don't disappear.

All the talk of dairy is of these big bad dairies taking over 3 and 4 farms with rotaries with jersey cross and 40foot wide cow roads and limited company ownership and foreign workers working on the farm while the owner's are attending the latest national grassland meeting sponsored by a fertilizer company, making an average income of €60k published by teagasc's profit monitor while posting about calves and culls on social media making beer money as a badge of honour.

Would you want the stress of it all? There's more to life than farming

Say my name

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I remember a lad on here a good few years ago that said he wouldn't get out of bed in the morning for less than 100 cows.:)

Probably has a thousand cows by now, the fecker... and selling bull calves for a Euro.

Say my name

whelan2 wrote: »

Would you want the stress of it all? There's more to life than farming

It's my idea of hell.

But there's other people wired differently.

whelan2

Say my name wrote: »

It's my idea of hell.

But there's other people wired differently.

I suppose whatever floats your boat.

GrasstoMilk

Parlour just turned off this morning till I'd say this time next month.
Should I leave clusters off the wash line, milk tank open etc to keep air through system to stop any bacteria growing or is there any need?

Wildsurfer

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Parlour just turned off this morning till I'd say this time next month.
Should I leave clusters off the wash line, milk tank open etc to keep air through system to stop any bacteria growing or is there any need?

I dried everything yesterday, did a hot descale, left everything hooked up and will do a few hot washes before I supply again.

Mooooo

Will do a couple of hot washes on plant and tank. Have service booked for Jan and will change liners also

boggerman1

Clear test today for first time since October last yr.the relief.its been mental the past while dealing with it.hopefully pass the next one too

mf240

I see the tree huggers have held up planning for Glanbia latest cheese plant. I assume sense will prevail and it will be granted or will it.

Water John

I think the same guy was on recently objecting to the upgrade of Ireland's only cable car to Dursey Island. He wanted the area to be left, rewild.

Keepgrowing

Say my name wrote: »

Are jeez we're not all.

There should be a differential made between less than 70 and maybe even less than 60 and the rest and probably look into properly looking after those that they don't disappear.

All the talk of dairy is of these big bad dairies taking over 3 and 4 farms with rotaries with jersey cross and 40foot wide cow roads and limited company ownership and foreign workers working on the farm while the owner's are attending the latest national grassland meeting sponsored by a fertilizer company, making an average income of €60k published by teagasc's profit monitor while posting about calves and culls on social media making beer money as a badge of honour.

Lol

Say my name

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Lol

Just bringing the Christmas cheer..

Castlekeeper

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Parlour just turned off this morning till I'd say this time next month.
Should I leave clusters off the wash line, milk tank open etc to keep air through system to stop any bacteria growing or is there any need?

Milk tanks are all vented afaik, you'll be milking the first few tines for calves anyway so it'll be well rinsed and washed again before anything is collected anyway. I've never heard of problems overwinter.

mf240

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Parlour just turned off this morning till I'd say this time next month.
Should I leave clusters off the wash line, milk tank open etc to keep air through system to stop any bacteria growing or is there any need?

Don't leave any meal in the feeders or augers