Dairy Chitchat 3

Say my name

mf240 wrote: »

Don't leave any meal in the feeders or augers

And maybe if there is a bit of a kink in milk pipes or wash pipes leave the clusters on the ground to prevent any cracks appearing from inaction and perishing during the winter.

Buford T. Justice XIX

I think I'll not price this option just yet.
https://twitter.com/CowPlan/status/1208814631952760832?s=19

mr.stonewall

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I think I'll not price this option just yet.
https://twitter.com/CowPlan/status/1208814631952760832?s=19

Might be cheaper than straw over 2-3 years Scrape of dung and a run of the wash down hose or pressure washer after each calving. Would be interested in the price aswell

GrasstoMilk

Say my name wrote: »

And maybe if there is a bit of a kink in milk pipes or wash pipes leave the clusters on the ground to prevent any cracks appearing from inaction and perishing during the winter.

Noel to come service her before we start. It's getting all new rubber. 3 years since we put the new machine in and all its had is new liners. Very happy with the Silicone

GrasstoMilk

mf240 wrote: »

Don't leave any meal in the feeders or augers

Have 200 odd kg in the bin still. Going to use it up training the heifers

alps

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I think I'll not price this option just yet.
https://twitter.com/CowPlan/status/1208814631952760832?s=19

Would it qualify under the new calf facilities grant?

Base price

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I think I'll not price this option just yet.

Is the thick grey layer some sort of composite foam?

mf240

Hard to beat straw for calving.

GrasstoMilk

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I think I'll not price this option just yet.
https://twitter.com/CowPlan/status/1208814631952760832?s=19

I think they only really suits systems that calve year round or ones that dont try calve 90% in 6 weeks
I wouldnt like to be putting 10 cows a day or more at peak through that

Gawddawggonnit

Dawg milking cows...what’s the world coming to!

*Feck, I hate that job.

Waffletraktor

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Dawg milking cows...what’s the world coming to!

*Feck, I hate that job.

Were ye able to organise not being abandoned like one other year, be tough otherwise makes the time of year something to dread not relaax.

Gawddawggonnit

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Were ye able to organise not being abandoned like one other year, be tough otherwise makes the time of year something to dread not relaax.

Unfortunately nobody will work on Xmas week, so it’s down to myself, my wife and daughter. It’s not so bad this year as we’ve drastically reduced the amount of beef cattle. Still it’s 12-14hr days...

I feel sorry for my daughter because she hasn’t known Xmas with years, but such is life!

whelan2

Have had a tbc problem for a good while. Staying around 35. Did in plate cooler?Tank is clean, Descaled etc. Still stayed the same. Emptied the water out of the tank on the air compressor the other day. Down to low 20s now. Thst would have been some milkings before it was emptied and some after. Would never think that would impact tbc

Buford T. Justice XIX

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Dawg milking cows...what’s the world coming to!

*Feck, I hate that job.

Think of it as further processing adding value to your crops:P

GrasstoMilk

whelan2 wrote: »

Have had a tbc problem for a good while. Staying around 35. Did in plate cooler?Tank is clean, Descaled etc. Still stayed the same. Emptied the water out of the tank on the air compressor the other day. Down to low 20s now. Thst would have been some milkings before it was emptied and some after. Would never think that would impact tbc

Yeah they're fairly rotten tbh. We have a 3 stage filter on ours that filters out the dirty moisture

Injuryprone

whelan2 wrote: »

Have had a tbc problem for a good while. Staying around 35. Did in plate cooler?Tank is clean, Descaled etc. Still stayed the same. Emptied the water out of the tank on the air compressor the other day. Down to low 20s now. Thst would have been some milkings before it was emptied and some after. Would never think that would impact tbc

How does the air compressor affect the milk line? Sure wouldn't that just be connected to feeders and gates etc

whelan2

Injuryprone wrote: »

How does the air compressor affect the milk line? Sure wouldn't that just be connected to feeders and gates etc

We have the air plurge system for blowing out the milk line at the end of milking. Milking machine man said to try it. It never crossed my mind that it would cause the high tbc. Lad from dairies has been out too

visatorro

whelan2 wrote: »

We have the air plurge system for blowing out the milk line at the end of milking. Milking machine man said to try it. It never crossed my mind that it would cause the high tbc. Lad from dairies has been out too

Mine tipped up around the 20s aswell. Can't find reason for it yet either.

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

Mine tipped up around the 20s aswell. Can't find reason for it yet either.

Very annoying.

visatorro

whelan2 wrote: »

Very annoying.

What's the limit for winter milk?

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

What's the limit for winter milk?

30

Gawddawggonnit

whelan2 wrote: »

We have the air plurge system for blowing out the milk line at the end of milking. Milking machine man said to try it. It never crossed my mind that it would cause the high tbc. Lad from dairies has been out too

Air purge here also and have to hold 6-7 milkings in tank but very rare to have tbc issues. TBC always between 6-8k.

TBC issues usually stem from the tank.

Gawddawggonnit

Crazy in France right now.
I traveled by car to and from Eindhoven last weekend and the traffic in France was much much heavier than in the Low Countries which is usually the opposite way around.

The golden parachute public pension brigade are losing their crap about their pensions being reduced to parity with private sector pensions. In Ireland it’s the
teachers and cops (etc) that get the golden pensions, in France it’s the railroad workers...thus only 12-15% of trains are running. Bumper to bumper trafic for the Xmas hols.
Here’s hoping that Macron holds his ground on this one...it’ll make taxpaying that bit easier knowing that my hard earned euros aren’t going to pay the pensions of a shower that never did a proper days work in their lives.
Rant over.

dmakc

What's the best way to improve a cow's BCS or bring heifers on a bit from now til calving? People say meal will only make the calf bigger which kind of defeats the purpose of preparing the cow? Who gets the greater benefit...

cute geoge

It does no harm to feed a kilo or so of meal if you are worried that the meal only will make the calf bigger then oats could be fed .

Mooooo

Had an arrival this morning. Bull that wasn't able for work in season managed to bull a cow last March. Little aa heifer. Cow won't be fit for tank for 30 days.

Timmaay

dmakc wrote: »

What's the best way to improve a cow's BCS or bring heifers on a bit from now til calving? People say meal will only make the calf bigger which kind of defeats the purpose of preparing the cow? Who gets the greater benefit...

Id be alot more worried about the cow calving down with a low bcs than the risk of the calf getting too big. Feed her on.

GrasstoMilk

2Kg of oats and a bit of soya

K.G.

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Crazy in France right now.
I traveled by car to and from Eindhoven last weekend and the traffic in France was much much heavier than in the Low Countries which is usually the opposite way around.

The golden parachute public pension brigade are losing their crap about their pensions being reduced to parity with private sector pensions. In Ireland it’s the
teachers and cops (etc) that get the golden pensions, in France it’s the railroad workers...thus only 12-15% of trains are running. Bumper to bumper trafic for the Xmas hols.
Here’s hoping that Macron holds his ground on this one...it’ll make taxpaying that bit easier knowing that my hard earned euros aren’t going to pay the pensions of a shower that never did a proper days work in their lives.
Rant over.

Yeah was on the phone yesterday to someone living in paris,total wipeout people walking 4 or 5 hpurs to get to and from work

Mooooo

Mooooo wrote: »

Had an arrival this morning. Bull that wasn't able for work in season managed to bull a cow last March. Little aa heifer. Cow won't be fit for tank for 30 days.

Fcuk it number 2 landed now. Both alive and healthy anyway

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Fcuk it number 2 landed now. Both alive and healthy anyway

It's a Christmas miracle

The Rabbi

Mooooo wrote: »

Fcuk it number 2 landed now. Both alive and healthy anyway

whelan2 wrote: »

It's a Christmas miracle

No,Santa only comes once a year.That fcuker came twice,sadly in March.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Ross.

Base price

Mooooo wrote: »

Perhaps reading too much into it. I'd say it'll be open to all. The dairy farmer mention is with regard to creed encouraging farmers to adequate facilities?

You were correct - the scheme is open to all. Just came across this earlier:
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/calfinvestmentscheme/

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

You were correct - the scheme is open to all. Just came across this earlier:
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/calfinvestmentscheme/

Once again no good to me as I dont get a SFP. Amazing how that works

Mooooo

Base price wrote: »

You were correct - the scheme is open to all. Just came across this earlier:
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/calfinvestmentscheme/

I see the max eligible value on a 250L calf mixer is 1450, kinda rules out much benefit in the self powered pasteuriser models as they are around the 6k mark afaik

K.G.

Base price wrote: »

You were correct - the scheme is open to all. Just came across this earlier:
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/calfinvestmentscheme/

Pity they didn't include water trough s

cute geoge

I was thinking of a 170l jfc kart with mixer listed at €1135 including vat ,What would this cost me if i got the grant? I might need to add some gate on to price to make €1000 cost

Base price

Reggie. wrote: »

Once again no good to me as I dont get a SFP. Amazing how that works

I only realised that you had to claim SFP to be eligible after reading your post. I presume they can claw back the grant money if you fail to honor the t&c's of the scheme. I have already heard of one farmer who is looking at the scheme to fit out a shed with pens/hayracks for sheep. He doesn't rear calves but does rear bullocks and keeps sheep.
Edit - he said he would buy a cheap milk mixer to cover Cat A investment and "sell" it on to a brother in law.

greenfield21

cute geoge wrote: »

I was thinking of a 170l jfc kart with mixer listed at €1135 including vat ,What would this cost me if i got the grant? I might need to add some gate on to price to make €1000 cost

Of the top of my head it looks like ref cost is €927.17 So 40% grant of this is €370.87. so your saving €370.87 on a 170 litre feeder no matter what the retail price is.(Point 18)

Base price

K.G. wrote: »

Pity they didn't include water trough s

I was surprised to see they were not included considering that freedom from hunger and thirst is one of the five animals welfare tenets.
Does anyone know what spec the calf pen dividers are. We could do with upgrading a few pens but we use gates at present as we can put weanlings in the pens later on in the year if we need to.

whelan2

I am thinking of building my new milking parlour in 2020. I was going to wait until young lad has his green cert but that will be another 2 years. If I go for the tams grant on the milking parlour& dairy equipment does the building itself have to be done to grant specifications?

GrasstoMilk

whelan2 wrote: »

I am thinking of building my new milking parlour in 2020. I was going to wait until young lad has his green cert but that will be another 2 years. If I go for the tams grant on the milking parlour& dairy equipment does the building itself have to be done to grant specifications?

I dont think so. Talk is they're unsure will tams grants be carried on until the next cap is done. Current teams is up in April I think

GrasstoMilk

Base price wrote: »

I was surprised to see they were not included considering that freedom from hunger and thirst is one of the five animals welfare tenets.
Does anyone know what spec the calf pen dividers are. We could do with upgrading a few pens but we use gates at present as we can put weanlings in the pens later on in the year if we need to.

Will you have that stuff in time for calves if you wait to be approved for grant?
I can't afford to wait to be approved for grabt before I buy the feeder. It needs to be in this time next month

Millionaire only not

whelan2 wrote: »

I am thinking of building my new milking parlour in 2020. I was going to wait until young lad has his green cert but that will be another 2 years. If I go for the tams grant on the milking parlour& dairy equipment does the building itself have to be done to grant specifications?

If building out of the new they’ll probably look for planning permission anyway !
The building won’t have to be grant spec best of my knowledge !
I presume ur grant will used up on the machine!

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Will you have that stuff in time for calves if you wait to be approved for grant?
I can't afford to wait to be approved for grabt before I buy the feeder. It needs to be in this time next month

Had heard of a sales lad getting a load of calls after the article appeared but he'll be flat out installing existing sales already for this season .

whelan2

Millionaire only not wrote: »

If building out of the new they’ll probably look for planning permission anyway !
The building won’t have to be grant spec best of my knowledge !
I presume ur grant will used up on the machine!

Have planning. Next tams stage closes January 12th

Base price

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Will you have that stuff in time for calves if you wait to be approved for grant?
I can't afford to wait to be approved for grabt before I buy the feeder. It needs to be in this time next month

The main calf shed carries 75 calves and is more or less ready for this season. I was hoping to upgrade the other shed and if gates can be used to divide pens then myself and OH would install them fairly quickly. I need a few new 10 teat feeders so I was going to buy the compartment ones anyway along with a few hay racks.

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

Have planning. Next tams stage closes January 12th

Very easy to throw in an application for a parlour and tank so defo get it in if your even half thinking of it.

farmersfriend

whelan2 wrote: »

I am thinking of building my new milking parlour in 2020. I was going to wait until young lad has his green cert but that will be another 2 years. If I go for the tams grant on the milking parlour& dairy equipment does the building itself have to be done to grant specifications?

No, if shed is not being grant aided doesn't need to be to grant spec

Keepgrowing

whelan2 wrote: »

I am thinking of building my new milking parlour in 2020. I was going to wait until young lad has his green cert but that will be another 2 years. If I go for the tams grant on the milking parlour& dairy equipment does the building itself have to be done to grant specifications?

You can do plant only on tams. In fact it’s the clever way as a grant spec shed isn’t necessary to house a milking plant. Your plant will probably use all your grant in any case. Remember that vari speed vacuum pumps and any other equip that’s deemed to be energy efficient can be claimed separately on an SEAI grant.