Dairy Chitchat 3

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Gates hoses are the best. Get yourself a few hydraulic joiners. Their fierce handy and reusable. Failing that give that big strong young fella a ring.

I think I'll be better off replacing a section today rather than repairing the yoke again.

Injuryprone wrote: »

Was the hose rubbing on anything? It tends to move slightly with each stroke. I used to have a hose that would burst once a winter in roughly the same spot that I couldn't see why. In the end I got a length of 1"1/4 water pipe and ran the hose through it and it hasn't burst since

I just checked there now and no sign of any wearing, just burst through the rubber. It was in a 3" pipe but the last lad to come out gave out to me for having it in such a small pipe so he took off the pipe. It was his lot that put the hose in the fecking pipe when installing it:rolleyes:

Sacrolyte

kevthegaff wrote: »

Can u join them yourself

Yeah. I’m a pro at this stage. The bit that goes on the pipe is reverse thread. I always have a few on hand of varying sizes in case you have a burst on machinery and need to get up and running quickly.

whelan2

If your farm is locked up can you still send stock to a contract rearer?

Injuryprone

whelan2 wrote: »

If your farm is locked up can you still send stock to a contract rearer?

I wouldn't think so, unless the rearer has no other stock coming in

Grueller

Injuryprone wrote: »

I wouldn't think so, unless the rearer has no other stock coming in

And no stock of his/her own

alps

Cant believe that stock from a locked up farm could be sent out to another herd. Risk of spreading to a new areas and very unfair on neighbours..

It's possible to move heifers close to calving, home in the event of one of the farms being locked up...but that is under a special licence for animal welfare reasons and if there are no milking facilities on the readers farm.

Mooooo

If no other stock on the farm is it any different than stock going to an outfarm seeing as there would be a contract in place for the stock to return?

visatorro

Anyone know if you can get head locking barriers on a gate Instead of set in concrete wall?

alps

Mooooo wrote: »

If no other stock on the farm is it any different than stock going to an outfarm seeing as there would be a contract in place for the stock to return?

I would think so..but tbh I dont know the answer to it..

However put yourself being in the position where your next door neighbour takes in stock from a locked up herd. How happy would you be?

I cant see the dept agreeing to the risk of spreading tb to new areas. I know that they were trying to push people with out farms to put them in a different herd number for this reason..

wrangler

alps wrote: »

I would think so..but tbh I dont know the answer to it..

However put yourself being in the position where your next door neighbour takes in stock from a locked up herd. How happy would you be?

I cant see the dept agreeing to the risk of spreading tb to new areas. I know that they were trying to push people with out farms to put them in a different herd number for this reason..

It wouldn't be any different than having the farm rented, department couldn't stop them going in that scenario

Mooooo

alps wrote: »

I would think so..but tbh I dont know the answer to it..

However put yourself being in the position where your next door neighbour takes in stock from a locked up herd. How happy would you be?

I cant see the dept agreeing to the risk of spreading tb to new areas. I know that they were trying to push people with out farms to put them in a different herd number for this reason..

This from the dafm

jaymla627

alps wrote: »

I would think so..but tbh I dont know the answer to it..

However put yourself being in the position where your next door neighbour takes in stock from a locked up herd. How happy would you be?

I cant see the dept agreeing to the risk of spreading tb to new areas. I know that they were trying to push people with out farms to put them in a different herd number for this reason..

Lad farming beside our outfarm got fully depopulated for a second time before xmas after restocking with bought in weanlings in the summer of 19, still haven't been notified by department and only I heard it of a neighbour would be none the wiser, they are typically public sector and couldn't give a fiddlers

Buford T. Justice XIX

Just came across this and said I'd better post it here. If you're in derogation this year, you'll need to be measuring grass this year on an approved platform and you'll have to have the first one done this month.
https://twitter.com/IrelandsFarmers/status/1228036879045529600?s=19

Snowfire

Another lovely day to be a cow on topless cubicles.

mahoney_j

Snowfire wrote: »

Another lovely day to be a cow on topless cubicles.

I’m fair happy mine were roofed for last week be some heap of water collected without

GrasstoMilk

Snowfire wrote: »

Another lovely day to be a cow on topless cubicles.

Have them here. Do the job. Will be roofed at some stage more so for the water thats being collected. I'd actually build a nice sized tank for what it would cost to roof that area

Snowfire

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Have them here. Do the job. Will be roofed at some stage more so for the water thats being collected. I'd actually build a nice sized tank for what it would cost to roof that area

It was more the cows welfare I was talking about than the inconvenience of collecting rain water.
I’ve said it before 90% of the time cows are contented on them, but this weekend is part of the other 10% where they aren’t.

Mooooo

Making the most of it directing water to try clear a blocked channel. Fecking baled silage. With the amount of rain here in the last week could be looking at a while before they are out again. Next week not great either. Heavy ground had surface water before today and normal ground was soft anyway. Only about 3.5% grazed
Calving going ok tho halfway there and if I get 5 more heifer calves I'd be sorted on that front. Had a bit if a mastitis breakdown due to scraper stopping and a few heifers decided to make a hole in the backing gate one evening

mahoney_j

Snowfire wrote: »

It was more the cows welfare I was talking about than the inconvenience of collecting rain water.
I’ve said it before 90% of the time cows are contented on them, but this weekend is part of the other 10% where they aren’t.

Absoutely nothing only a stop gap ridiculous amount of water to be collected

Keepgrowing

Snowfire wrote: »

Another lovely day to be a cow on topless cubicles.

Not a bother on them

Keepgrowing

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Not a bother on them

Still no bother

GrasstoMilk

How much meal are you all feeding to cows?
On 5 here

Timmaay

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How much meal are you all feeding to cows?
On 5 here

About 3kg nuts and 4kgDM maize then.

Mooooo

Up to 6 here, bit of maize and silage as well. Weather of last 10 days been a disaster here ground is saturated so take a bit of drying even to get back out for the 3 hour stretch. Mixed dry cow's to make more space for milkers last night had taken out anything close instead bed and calf landed in cubicle this morning them 15 days ahead. Cow and calf fine but a pia

Morris Moss

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Still no bother

I'm not having a go, but not 1 cow was lying in a cubicle in those pictures

Morris Moss

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How much meal are you all feeding to cows?
On 5 here

Base of 6 then feed to yield

cjpm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Absoutely nothing only a stop gap ridiculous amount of water to be collected

And fellas forget to account for the extra silage that cows consume to keep warm too

Snowfire

Morris Moss wrote: »

I'm not having a go, but not 1 cow was lying in a cubicle in those pictures

At least the cubicle beds are nice and clean....!I can’t understand planning permission being given for those jobs. Cows need shelter, I don’t care what anyone says.

Keepgrowing

Morris Moss wrote: »

I'm not having a go, but not 1 cow was lying in a cubicle in those pictures

All eating

Milkers our at grass today and none lying down as they’re eating.

Keepgrowing

cjpm wrote: »

And fellas forget to account for the extra silage that cows consume to keep warm too

No they don’t and it’s exactly 5% more, if Fred area is covered about 2%

Keepgrowing

Morris Moss wrote: »

I'm not having a go, but not 1 cow was lying in a cubicle in those pictures

Out of cubicles for approx 4 hrs yesterday and all lying last night. People often have cows standing in a collection yard for 3 hrs at milking

Keepgrowing

And while I’m at it I’ll deal with the inevitable water question. €1000/yr to spread the extra water collected on that area, water only needs to be collected while cows on it, 4mths here. Cost to roof c€60k goss so after vat, tax relief approx 35 years spreading to put up roof for dry cows

Keepgrowing

Morris Moss wrote: »

I'm not having a go, but not 1 cow was lying in a cubicle in those pictures

If you look there’s not one cow under conditioned and I’m sure you know that’s the primary measure of welfare.

4 non negotiable’s colostrum, straw, Bcs and closing cover

mahoney_j

cjpm wrote: »

And fellas forget to account for the extra silage that cows consume to keep warm too

Extra silage ,waste ,extra labour from having to feed more regular thru wet times extra cost of slurry storage dilution of slurry .all that and the image to non farming eyes.stand off pads were all the go once most of these now condemned or roofed or converted to cubicles which will in time be roofed.

Keepgrowing

This will set ye off https://twitter.com/carwyndavies/status/1229020708568694785?s=21

Injuryprone

Keepgrowing wrote: »

And while I’m at it I’ll deal with the inevitable water question. €1000/yr to spread the extra water collected on that area, water only needs to be collected while cows on it, 4mths here. Cost to roof c€60k goss so after vat, tax relief approx 35 years spreading to put up roof for dry cows

What did the bigger tank cost ?

Keepgrowing

Injuryprone wrote: »

What did the bigger tank cost ?

Feck all, lagoon cheaper the larger you go

yosemitesam1

Keepgrowing wrote: »

This will set ye off https://twitter.com/carwyndavies/status/1229020708568694785?s=21

Does it work in snow?

Keep Sluicing

Keepgrowing wrote: »

This will set ye off https://twitter.com/carwyndavies/status/1229020708568694785?s=21

Real martyrs, if thats what they want, leave them too it. They have problems with throughput of staff. Horrible working conditions. But cows cows cows is the mantra.

cjpm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Extra silage ,waste ,extra labour from having to feed more regular thru wet times extra cost of slurry storage dilution of slurry .all that and the image to non farming eyes.stand off pads were all the go once most of these now condemned or roofed or converted to cubicles which will in time be roofed.

So €1000 for the soiled water added to the extra silage. Say you feed 1000 bales, 5% is an extra 50 bales. At €25 a bale. That’s €1250.

Now we’re at €2250 a year. Not accounting for the extra labour etc..... The €€€€€ are beginning to add up....

mahoney_j

cjpm wrote: »

So €1000 for the soiled water added to the extra silage. Say you feed 1000 bales, 5% is an extra 50 bales. At €25 a bale. That’s €1250.

Now we’re at €2250 a year. Not accounting for the extra labour etc..... The €€€€€ are beginning to add up....

I’d say 5% is conservative ,that’s just me .best move I made was roofing mine sheds here even on dry farm needed from early November to April every year

Mooooo

mahoney_j wrote: »

I’d say 5% is conservative ,that’s just me .best move I made was roofing mine sheds here even on dry farm needed from early November to April every year

Would you have been able to roof and put in the cubicles the same year? It's a mean to an end for some as the whole investment may not be feasible in one year and for others the location may suit with natural shelter or whatever. Everyone has seen cattle outwintered in similar conditions and nobody would bat an eyelid.

Keepgrowing

cjpm wrote: »

So €1000 for the soiled water added to the extra silage. Say you feed 1000 bales, 5% is an extra 50 bales. At €25 a bale. That’s €1250.

Now we’re at €2250 a year. Not accounting for the extra labour etc..... The €€€€€ are beginning to add up....

Stay calculating away there I’ll have a roof for nothing yet, will ring the bank or are you doing it.

I think I’ll continue making the payments on the land as I bought it 4 years ago this coming Tuesday with 2x3 span haybarns and parlour in situ.

mahoney_j

Mooooo wrote: »

Would you have been able to roof and put in the cubicles the same year? It's a mean to an end for some as the whole investment may not be feasible in one year and for others the location may suit with natural shelter or whatever. Everyone has seen cattle outwintered in similar conditions and nobody would bat an eyelid.

As I said stop gap ,one and a small bit labour units here need things simple .only me no way I’d like cows outside during snow or spells weather like we have now

K.G.

mahoney_j wrote: »

I’d say 5% is conservative ,that’s just me .best move I made was roofing mine sheds here even on dry farm needed from early November to April every year

Have to agree on the feed its the first thing everyone says when they roof them.alot of guys do it like moo says as in slurry storage-cibicles-roof over a number of years.have in and outdoor ones here but the cows have acess to both.the only time you see the outdoor ones full is a dry bright day whereas the indoor ones are always full.planning to roof mine this

Buford T. Justice XIX

cjpm wrote: »

So €1000 for the soiled water added to the extra silage. Say you feed 1000 bales, 5% is an extra 50 bales. At €25 a bale. That’s €1250.

Now we’re at €2250 a year. Not accounting for the extra labour etc..... The €€€€€ are beginning to add up....

The cost of extra silage there is too high, imo. You'll only get losses on wet days. On normal winter days, the losses are the same as if there was a shed over the silage.

I had some uncovered cubicles for a while and it was manageable as long as some extra feed was given. We forget that cows being housed is a relatively recent thing. They have a large rumen that provides heat from fermentation every single day and the only time they come under pressure is when it's cold and wet. Every other weather situation causes no problem to cattle but when they're wet and it's windy, they will need more feed to make up for the heat lost in those conditions.

K.G.

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

The cost of extra silage there is too high, imo. You'll only get losses on wet days. On normal winter days, the losses are the same as if there was a shed over the silage.

I had some uncovered cubicles for a while and it was manageable as long as some extra feed was given. We forget that cows being housed is a relatively recent thing. They have a large rumen that provides heat from fermentation every single day and the only time they come under pressure is when it's cold and wet. Every other weather situation causes no problem to cattle but when they're wet and it's windy, they will need more feed to make up for the heat lost in those conditions.

Cattle obviously have always out but they always go for shelter.these days i have said.to myself that if cows had.a choice they definitely would stay where i have them at the moment. And that s with a 9.ft.wall around them and access to a house.i have yearlings out on a place and its.shelterey and the worse day you go over there and its grand ,not a puff.my point is its not the rain thats the problem as such its the wind.in wrong location you would give cows a hard time but in the right location the roof is only for the farmer/dept.

straight

Keepgrowing wrote: »

This will set ye off https://twitter.com/carwyndavies/status/1229020708568694785?s=21

The milking area is roofed. I thought topless cubicles are banned or to be banned? Are they acceptable to bord bia?

Keepgrowing

straight wrote: »

The milking area is roofed. I thought topless cubicles are banned or to be banned? Are they acceptable to bord bia?

Not banned if they were I wouldn’t be using them

Keepgrowing

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Does it work in snow?

Lol, yea we’re in a real snow zone