Dairy Chitchat 3

Keepgrowing

mengele wrote: »

I'd love to know what profit these a fellows with 3, 4 or 500 cows are taking out of the farm each year.

There taking out no profit, just a salary same as any business.

How much profit is made per cow is the question?

Keepgrowing

Say my name wrote: »

I've herd some aspire to have 1,000 cows.

I'm not sure what'll happen though when they finally do get their chompers on that car tyre.?

The beauty of human kind is we are all different and all have different goals in life. The key is to enjoy it

Say my name

Keepgrowing wrote: »

The beauty of human kind is we are all different and all have different goals in life. The key is to enjoy it

And to leave humanity and the world in a better place than whence we found it..

Snowfire

Say my name wrote: »

And to leave humanity and the world in a better place than whence we found it..

Woo woo.. I never agreed to that...!

wrangler

Keepgrowing wrote: »

The beauty of human kind is we are all different and all have different goals in life. The key is to enjoy it

Well,........ have you reached your first thousand cows.
.Btw, well done on saturday morning,didn't expect anything different.
Nearly made me proud to be a farmer ........ and y'know the job that'd be

straight

Keepgrowing wrote: »

There taking out no profit, just a salary same as any business.

How much profit is made per cow is the question?

Profit?

Water John

A man in my part of the country in the 1960s was known as, 28 cows and a bull, as that was his regular boast.

whelan2

Water John wrote: »

A man in my part of the country in the 1960s was known as, 28 cows and a bull, as that was his regular boast.

I think it used to be how many milk cans you left out at the stand was the willy waving way back them

straight

whelan2 wrote: »

I think it used to be how many milk cans you left out at the stand was the willy waving way back them

Father tells me there was always one bollix with a load of them all half full. Creamery worker fooked him out of it one morning for his notions.

Buford T. Justice XIX

straight wrote: »

Father tells me there was always one bollix with a load of them all half full. Creamery worker fooked him out of it one morning for his notions.

My father had loads of stories about the creameries back in the day. One lad was talking to the manager while the manager was sucking up the milk with the hose when the hose stopped sucking the milk. The manager lifted out the hose and there was a dead cat stopping the milk going into the hose. Still talking away to the farmer, the manager pulled off the cat and threw it into a corner and put the hose back in again and worked away.

Just as the lad was getting off the platform, the manager told him to put the fcuking cover on the tanks at night before he runs out of cats:D

mf240

Sure whatever lads are happy at, more luck to the lads with bigger numbers. It's probably easier when you have scale enough to employ staff. It's getting to that can be hard work.
The other extreme is a lad on social media that's milking about 40 and he goes on oad for Jan and Feb to make life easier. Fcuk me he's hilarious and dead serious.

straight

mf240 wrote: »

Sure whatever lads are happy at, more luck to the lads with bigger numbers. It's probably easier when you have scale enough to employ staff. It's getting to that can be hard work.
The other extreme is a lad on social media that's milking about 40 and he goes on oad for Jan and Feb to make life easier. Fcuk me he's hilarious and dead serious.

Well most of the work is bringing them in and out, washing up, feeding, etc so not much of a difference milking 40 or 80 if u ask me.

Say my name

mf240 wrote: »

The other extreme is a lad on social media that's milking about 40 and he goes on oad for Jan and Feb to make life easier. Fcuk me he's hilarious and dead serious.

There were posters on other social media getting worried about dairy farmers milking all year round twice a day and burning themselves out on the job and literally their health suffering.
Maybe that guy with the 40 oad is saner than any of us?
#stickingupforthelittlefella

The thing that gets me is there's some that'll never have enough. And it's others that get taken down in their crossfire.
We're literally going down the U.S. and Russian way of largescale farming and that seed was sown on the dairy side by many having their visits of their future in New Zealand.

There's more on social media lately too who saw milking 25 cows in Iceland as regressive and large scale in Ireland as progressive..
I'd be having my own ideas of which system is better but I'd have an idea I'm in the minority.

mf240

Say my name wrote: »

There were posters on other social media getting worried about dairy farmers milking all year round twice a day and burning themselves out on the job and literally their health suffering.
Maybe that guy with the 40 oad is saner than any of us?
#stickingupforthelittlefella

The thing that gets me is there's some that'll never have enough. And it's others that get taken down in their crossfire.
We're literally going down the U.S. and Russian way of largescale farming and that seed was sown on the dairy side by many having their visits of their future in New Zealand.

There's more on social media lately too who saw milking 25 cows in Iceland as regressive and large scale in Ireland as progressive..
I'd be having my own ideas of which system is better but I'd have an idea I'm in the minority.

Not a big farmer here either.

Say my name

mf240 wrote: »

Not a big farmer here either.

Thank you Comrade!

whelan2

Define a big farmer?

giveitholly

whelan2 wrote: »

Define a big farmer?

Someone bigger than 15 stone!!

mf240

whelan2 wrote: »

Define a big farmer?

Over 6ft or 18 stone.

kevthegaff

mf240 wrote: »

Over 6ft or 18 stone.

Lots of them around here meeting the second criteria

Timmaay

Say my name wrote: »

There were posters on other social media getting worried about dairy farmers milking all year round twice a day and burning themselves out on the job and literally their health suffering.
Maybe that guy with the 40 oad is saner than any of us?

OAD would suit me well but I'm too lazy a bollox as is.

Mortelaro

mf240 wrote: »

Over 6ft or 18 stone.

6'3 and 13.5 stone
So I'm big farmer AND fit
Yay \○/

Keepgrowing

wrangler wrote: »

Well,........ have you reached your first thousand cows.
.Btw, well done on saturday morning,didn't expect anything different.
Nearly made me proud to be a farmer ........ and y'know the job that'd be

Thanks boss

Reggie.

Mortelaro wrote: »

6'3 and 13.5 stone
So I'm big farmer AND fit
Yay \○/

Must be nothing to see once ya turn sideways

Buford T. Justice XIX

N/cow to rise to 90kgs from 85kgs from 2021.
https://twitter.com/Deefoley17/status/1230093745904812033?s=19

wrangler

Mortelaro wrote: »

6'3 and 13.5 stone
So I'm big farmer AND fit
Yay \○/

I do tell my fit over 60s friends that when they're looking out the nursing home window i'll be already ten years dead with a heart attack

Say my name

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

N/cow to rise to 90kgs from 85kgs from 2021.
https://twitter.com/Deefoley17/status/1230093745904812033?s=19

You'd wonder why they didn't just increase it to 200 when by doing so they just confirmed figures can be changed to suit agendas?

K.G.

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

N/cow to rise to 90kgs from 85kgs from 2021.
https://twitter.com/Deefoley17/status/1230093745904812033?s=19

Must say btj your a great srouce of news even its not good news

straight

Mortelaro wrote: »

6'3 and 13.5 stone
So I'm big farmer AND fit
Yay \○/

Under fed and over worked maybe.

straight

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

N/cow to rise to 90kgs from 85kgs from 2021.
https://twitter.com/Deefoley17/status/1230093745904812033?s=19

The end of high stocking rates is getting closer every day. Just think of all the surplus slurry storage we'll all have.

Buford T. Justice XIX

straight wrote: »

The end of high stocking rates is getting closer every day. Just think of all the surplus slurry storage we'll all have.

I don't think so. I'd say the quantity of storage needed will be increased fairly soon, something along the lines of 1 week earlier stopping spreading and 1 week later starting and more storage needed per livestock unit.

Until the N&P results from rivers stabilise and start reducing, we're prime targets for blame and solutions to the issue.

Now, if the councils upgraded their facilities that are overloaded atm and allow no new buildings until adequate treatment facilities are provided, just like we have to do, the problem wouldn't be long in reducing, I think. At least, around us anyway.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Say my name wrote: »

You'd wonder why they didn't just increase it to 200 when by doing so they just confirmed figures can be changed to suit agendas?

They're clamping down on derogations while seeming to support them.

And, like you say there, it probably won't stay at 90kgs for too long once the precedent is established.

Buford T. Justice XIX

K.G. wrote: »

Must say btj your a great srouce of news even its not good news

We'd get a fair bit of info early at county exec meetings about what way the discussions are going and what's coming down the tracks as regards new directions officials are looking to head down. And Twitter has a few very good accounts to follow as well.

Next up, getting prescriptions for dosing and vaccinations will be needed from next year so that will clamp down on online purchases.

And provide more boxes for someone to tick to justify their existence:(

I wouldn't hold my breath for good news in the short term, I'm afraid.

Mooooo

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

They're clamping down on derogations while seeming to support them.

And, like you say there, it probably won't stay at 90kgs for too long once the precedent is established.

The output of N per cow is supposed to correlate to milk output so is that the reason for the 5kg increase to shown the new average yield.? Thats why the higher yielding countries have higher n per cow

Panch18

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

We'd get a fair bit of info early at county exec meetings about what way the discussions are going and what's coming down the tracks as regards new directions officials are looking to head down. And Twitter has a few very good accounts to follow as well.

Next up, getting prescriptions for dosing and vaccinations will be needed from next year so that will clamp down on online purchases.

And provide more boxes for someone to tick to justify their existence:(

I wouldn't hold my breath for good news in the short term, I'm afraid.

Crap milk price
Crap beef price
Crap calf price
Crap grain price
Cuts to BPS but no cuts to BS rules
Cuts to stocking rates
increased slurry storage requirements
reduced slurry spreading dates

Is there even a glimmer of hope on the horizon for anybody in farming

Snowfire

Panch18 wrote: »

Crap milk price
Crap beef price
Crap calf price
Crap grain price
Cuts to BPS but no cuts to BS rules
Cuts to stocking rates
increased slurry storage requirements
reduced slurry spreading dates

Is there even a glimmer of hope on the horizon for anybody in farming

At least the weather is good....!

Reggie.

Snowfire wrote: »

At least the weather is good....!

Is it?

straight

Panch18 wrote: »

Crap milk price
Crap beef price
Crap calf price
Crap grain price
Cuts to BPS but no cuts to BS rules
Cuts to stocking rates
increased slurry storage requirements
reduced slurry spreading dates

Is there even a glimmer of hope on the horizon for anybody in farming

Doesn't look like it. Any of ye see prime time last night. Farming is getting shut down.

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

Is it?

In Australia

Reggie.

straight wrote: »

Doesn't look like it. Any of ye see prime time last night. Farming is getting shut down.

Was it the programme about the calves?

Tonynewholland

Reggie. wrote: »

Was it the programme about the calves?

I didn’t see it all but saw the part of growing beef in a lab I don’t think it was about calves

straight

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I didn’t see it all but saw the part of growing beef in a lab I don’t think it was about calves

Not the infamous calves one. It was about lab grown meat and there was a report at the end spelling out that farms will be completely different places in 10 years time. Theres something every week now at least. We are under attack from all angles and they will get their way. Nobody seems to be attacking the tourism industry in the same way.

Say my name

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

They're clamping down on derogations while seeming to support them.

And, like you say there, it probably won't stay at 90kgs for too long once the precedent is established.

And now even more farmers not currently in derogation will be put into derogation by then.
What's this now they want if you're in derogation? Your fertilizer purchases, your grass growth rates, clover to be sown all across the farm, meal dockets, your wife's pps number, a relegated advisor to advise on fertilizer and meal purchases, a grass course to show how grass is grown, a reduction in protein content of meal allowed.

Tonynewholland

straight wrote: »

Not the infamous calves one. It was about lab grown meat and there was a report at the end spelling out that farms will be completely different places in 10 years time. Theres something every week now at least. We are under attack from all angles and they will get their way. Nobody seems to be attacking the tourism industry in the same way.

It wasn’t very motivating that’s for sure. Almost everything that comes from a lab has side effects of some sort, Will this form of so called meat be a as safe as a real steak only time will tell

Buford T. Justice XIX

Panch18 wrote: »

Crap milk price
Crap beef price
Crap calf price
Crap grain price
Cuts to BPS but no cuts to BS rules
Cuts to stocking rates
increased slurry storage requirements
reduced slurry spreading dates

Is there even a glimmer of hope on the horizon for anybody in farming

There is, tbh. We're here because we're the resilient ones, lucky to an extent but resilient most of all. We and those before us have gone through hard times, poor weather, poor prices, silly regulations and still survived and prospered.

But most of all, we will have to grow the same amount of food in the next 40 years as mankind has consumed in the last 2,000 years. Now, the publicity is all against us but the majority of people out there complaining couldn't grow enough food to feed themselves for a day never mind a year.

One thing I do know is lab meats depend on manufactured inputs to feed their vats of cells and it's inevitable that there's going to be corners cut in the manufacturing of that and poorer inputs used to maximise profits. And I've seen nothing about how they deal with the waste products from the manufacture of lab meats.

Be patient, the wheel always turns, as my father used to say.

Say my name

My own thoughts.

Irish farming is being treated as a cash cow for industry. A carbon sequestering machine but not being rewarded to farmers but the government will get the financial benefits. A lab test tube to test out new products that'll "save the world" and be patented to specific companies.
Basically more stringent rules and regulations come in every year and no matter that targets were hit in previous years it'll always never be enough.

The way to beat the system is to remove yourself from the system. Go as low input as possible while still achieving an income. Read the books. There's technological advances that have been brought in for farmers in third and second world countries. Copy them. Read all the natural farming books or online you can. It'll open your eyes to the biological world.
There's experts in this country but only expert in making you buy a new machine or fertilizer or even meal product.
I've tried a few things down through the years and it does reduce your fertilizer amount. It all counts. I'm no expert myself far from it. But a lot of change is in your own hands. Don't be afraid to go against the grain. It won't be in mainstream agricultures interest in this country for you to do so. And there may be kickback.
But sure isn't life interesting.

farisfat

Would anyone know what freshly calved high ebi xbreed cows are making.

Reggie.

Say my name wrote: »

And now even more farmers not currently in derogation will be put into derogation by then.
What's this now they want if you're in derogation? Your fertilizer purchases, your grass growth rates, clover to be sown all across the farm, meal dockets, your wife's pps number, a relegated advisor to advise on fertilizer and meal purchases, a grass course to show how grass is grown, a reduction in protein content of meal allowed.

Cattle cant cross or drink from rivers, hedges cant all be cut at once, drinkers cant be any closer than 20m from any water course

Albert Johnson

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

My father had loads of stories about the creameries back in the day. One lad was talking to the manager while the manager was sucking up the milk with the hose when the hose stopped sucking the milk. The manager lifted out the hose and there was a dead cat stopping the milk going into the hose. Still talking away to the farmer, the manager pulled off the cat and threw it into a corner and put the hose back in again and worked away.

Just as the lad was getting off the platform, the manager told him to put the fcuking cover on the tanks at night before he runs out of cats:D

The auld fella does often tell me about an incident that occurred year's back when the milk was delivered to the local creamery in milk cans. A neighbor had the job of collecting the milk cans locally with a horse and cart each day. One day the man in question was feeling unwell and his brother was given the task in his absence.

According to Dad the brother was a little bit "harmless" and was excited at the prospect of being in the driving seat for the day. This excitement caused him to leave a few cans behind him and this fact only came to light in the evening when another local who was a bit of a jennet called to complain about his milk cans being forgotten. Seemingly the same man had bad land even by local standards and kept 3 or 4 starved cows that produced little milk. Despite the fact that he was somewhat lacking our temporary milkman was witty and upon being informed that the forgotten milk had to be delivered in person by it's producer he promptly told him "that for all the milk you ever had you could have sent it down in a fu#king envelope".

Castlekeeper

straight wrote: »

Father tells me there was always one bollix with a load of them all half full. Creamery worker fooked him out of it one morning for his notions.

He was ahead of his time with health and safety, the worker should have been thanking him!

Castlekeeper

Another local story again involved a cat.
In this particular case, a lot of farmers used to draw home clean water from the creamery well. To their consternation, on inspection one day a well dead cat was removed from the well. As you can imagine demand for said water dropped dramatically, leaving the perplexed maintenance man to observe, "They couldn't get enough water all summer when the cat was in the well, but now that I've him out, they've no meas on it!"