Dairy Chitchat 3

Mooooo

mengele wrote: »

No urea spread yet.hope to get the cows out in the next week. Should I still spread these paddocks that will be grazed hopefully in the next 2 weeks or leave them?

Spread a half bag now and another after maybe

Mach Two

Mooooo wrote: »

It depends as can vary a lot depending on stocking rate, land type, cow type etc. I can check mine later on but my variable costs are higher than they should be for example for the amount of meal I fed the output should be better again just an example of how they can vary.
The lads also have a fair point. If putting a plan together put in a figure of 35 to 40 k for your own wages at least and allow for profit from the farm at different milk prices to see how it may effect repayment capacity in the future

Variable costs are the most important costs i.e. meal,fertiliser,vet etc.. Your fixed costs could be anything.

Water John

Contact your Teagasc adviser. He works from the figure you're looking for.

Mach Two

Water John wrote: »

Contact your Teagasc adviser. He works from the figure you're looking for.

Hoping to hear from the horses mouth. Everyone should know that figure.

Pinsnbushings

Mach Two wrote: »

Hoping to hear from the horses mouth. Everyone should know that figure.

https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2019/profit-monitor-analysis---dairy-farms-2018.php

Here's the 2018 profit monitor analysis, as lads have told you take it with a grain of salt, not all figures acounted for and plenty of inaccuracies too I'd say, but will give you an idea.
Also don't think it's very fair to come in and demand lads tell you what it's costing them to produce milk, would you walk into a shop and be so forward about what it costs them to put a product on the shelf?

Mooooo

Mach Two wrote: »

Variable costs are the most important costs i.e. meal,fertiliser,vet etc.. Your fixed costs could be anything.

I'd disagree no such thing as more important costs as alps said above they all effect farms differently and so need to be viewed as a whole for proper comparison. Are you doing this for yourself or what? Best bit of advice would be to join a local discussion group where you can go thru all this stuff in confidence within the group

Mach Two

Mooooo wrote: »

I'd disagree no such thing as more important costs as alps said above they all effect farms differently and so need to be viewed as a whole for proper comparison. Are you doing this for yourself or what? Best bit of advice would be to join a local discussion group where you can go thru all this stuff in confidence within the group

I have 30 yrs experience of dairy farming. Done the discussion group thing long time ago.

mahoney_j

Mach Two wrote: »

Variable costs are the most important costs i.e. meal,fertiliser,vet etc.. Your fixed costs could be anything.

But there still costs .....look at published pm results if that’s what your after but take a big punch of salt .theyll show coo of low 20s

Mach Two

If "Boards" is anonymous they shouldn't have a problem discussing costs. Checked that link on Profit monitor. They wouldn't be that far off the mark.

Mooooo

Mach Two wrote: »

I have 30 yrs experience of dairy farming. Done the discussion group thing long time ago.

Fair enough, are you still in one? Rel early in my career and late joining a group but delighted I did and gain as much from the older lads as the younger, altho it is a rel young group. I've a lot to do to get to their level of management but it shows what can be done and in fairness lads I think have their system humming as they are are always adjusting their point of views on their own systems as well.
Just think they are a better place for discussing some topics as honest appraisal is more forthcoming

Mach Two

I actually gave up the discussion group. Great for newcomers to dairy farming. Any problems can be thrown out there.

Anybody know the average milk price for the last few years.

straight

Mach Two wrote: »

Hoping to hear from the horses mouth. Everyone should know that figure.

All I know is milking cows is expensive

Grueller

Mach Two wrote: »

I actually gave up the discussion group. Great for newcomers to dairy farming. Any problems can be thrown out there.

Anybody know the average milk price for the last few years.

For 30 years experience your knowledge is sketchy

Keepgrowing

Mach Two wrote: »

Anybody know the approximate cost of production of a litre of milk. Feed,silage,veterinary and fertiliser. Everything bar cost of any investment or loan repayments.

Our variable costs for 2019 which is what you’re looking for is 12.65c/l.

As said by others there are a lot of others to be added

Farney Farmer

Anybody have a rough figure for the price of a new bulk tank? Around 4000 litre.

Grueller

Farney Farmer wrote: »

Anybody have a rough figure for the price of a new bulk tank? Around 4000 litre.

I priced a 5000 litre at €17000 plus VAT recently

Mach Two

Grueller wrote: »

For 30 years experience your knowledge is sketchy

I resent that coment. On a dairy farm you are always learning.

Mach Two

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Our variable costs for 2019 which is what you’re looking for is 12.65c/l.

As said by others there are a lot of others to be added

What other running costs would have to be added to the 12.65 c/l.

Grueller

Mach Two wrote: »

I resent that coment. On a dairy farm you are always learning.

On any farm you are always learning but you are asking for advice and then saying that a discussion group is only for newbies, you don't know the average milk price over a period despite having a milk cheque for 30 years nor can you put a handle on your costs.
You are spoofing or too lazy to work out your own costs.

Mach Two

Discussion groups are for everyone but are a hugh advantage to younger farmers.

Due to personal reasons I had to stop dairy farming. Contemplating getting back in to it.

Grueller

Mach Two wrote: »

Discussion groups are for everyone but are a hugh advantage to younger farmers.

Due to personal reasons I had to stop dairy farming. Contemplating getting back in to it.

Ok. Paints a different picture to me with that info. Apologies and best of luck if you do jump back in.

Mach Two

Grueller wrote: »

Ok. Paints a different picture to me with that info. Apologies and best of luck if you do jump back in.

I definitely won't be jumping back in. A lot of careful planning has to be done.

hildywildy

Any where fro 0.18c to 0.30c a litre

mahoney_j

hildywildy wrote: »

Any where fro 0.18c to 0.30c a litre

All in there no one producing milk at or anywhere near 18 cent majority closer and above 30

Mach Two

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2019/profit-monitor-analysis---dairy-farms-2018.php

Here's the 2018 profit monitor analysis, as lads have told you take it with a grain of salt, not all figures acounted for and plenty of inaccuracies too I'd say, but will give you an idea.
Also don't think it's very fair to come in and demand lads tell you what it's costing them to produce milk, would you walk into a shop and be so forward about what it costs them to put a product on the shelf?

You are spot on. There is way too much information on farmers and farming. All this information is being used against farmers. Especially profit monitors. What other business out there tells everybody how much money it is making.

mahoney_j

Mach Two wrote: »

You are spot on. There is way too much information on farmers and farming. All this information is being used against farmers. Especially profit monitors. What other business out there tells everybody how much money it is making.

Agree and the likes of the ****e chucked out of pm is totally inaccurate on top there surely a gdpr issue as well

Mach Two

What is a gdpr issue.

Sacrolyte

Mach Two wrote: »

You are spot on. There is way too much information on farmers and farming. All this information is being used against farmers. Especially profit monitors. What other business out there tells everybody how much money it is making.

Yeah the big retailers love having that info so they can squeeze every last available drop out of us.

Sacrolyte

Mach Two wrote: »

What is a gdpr issue.

Loads of info about GDPR on google.
Basically it regards ur privacy

Keepgrowing

mahoney_j wrote: »

Agree and the likes of the ****e chucked out of pm is totally inaccurate on top there surely a gdpr issue as well

His question was what are variable costs? They’re absolutely exact with ePM, if it’s filled properly of coarse

Mooooo

My variable costs were 15.66c/L. When we are comparing amongst farmers and it's clear what's included it's fine. It's a newspaper article saying cop at 20cent or whatever is the issue. Within our group a figure for own labour was included for our own comparison. If considering getting back in I'd still say join up to a group.

straight

I got a text from ncbc this morning. They want to test one of my bull calves. I know it's a long road to the jackpot but it's a nice pick me up in the depth of spring calving.

cosatron

straight wrote: »

I got a text from ncbc this morning. They want to test one of my bull calves. I know it's a long road to the jackpot but it's a nice pick me up in the depth of spring calving.

Out of curiosity, in your opinion is the calf worth testing, cause I think the selection of bulls the last few years has being pretty poor by ncbc. They seem to be obsessed with srm, fertility and solids with no thought put into frame, kgs and pedigree.

Gawddawggonnit

Does fertilizer delivered in Ireland have these tags yet?

jaymla627

cosatron wrote: »

Out of curiosity, in your opinion is the calf worth testing, cause I think the selection of bulls the last few years has being pretty poor by ncbc. They seem to be obsessed with srm, fertility and solids with no thought put into frame, kgs and pedigree.

I see a lot of the higher production high ebi herds are losing faith in it, had to laugh when Yamasaka and Perseus have suddenly got very popular with these lads, was getting them specially imported 3 years ago myself, anyone wondering what. the next rockstar bull is going to be when it’s eventually converted on ebi correctly it’s west coast ardour

straight

cosatron wrote: »

Out of curiosity, in your opinion is the calf worth testing, cause I think the selection of bulls the last few years has being pretty poor by ncbc. They seem to be obsessed with srm, fertility and solids with no thought put into frame, kgs and pedigree.

I agree with you re SRM, fertility, percentages. This bull is from a line of my best cows. If I was to keep a bull for breeding it would probably be him. Pedigree, 80% holstein, plenty milk volume. His mother is only going into her 2nd lactation so this year will be interesting for her production.

cosatron

jaymla627 wrote: »

I see a lot of the higher production high ebi herds are losing faith in it, had to laugh when Yamasaka and Perseus have suddenly got very popular with these lads, was getting them specially imported 3 years ago myself, anyone wondering what. the next rockstar bull is going to be when it’s eventually converted on ebi correctly it’s west coast ardour

mogul is in his pedigree 3 times :eek: i'm not a fan of line breeding and his a negative for teat length another pet hate.

Buford T. Justice XIX

straight wrote: »

I agree with you re SRM, fertility, percentages. This bull is from a line of my best cows. If I was to keep a bull for breeding it would probably be him. Pedigree, 80% holstein, plenty milk volume. His mother is only going into her 2nd lactation so this year will be interesting for her production.

I kept one that was tested last year, EBI of 260 or so last time I checked. Will make a nice stock bull for next year but will run him with the AA and the cows this year to see how he shapes up.

Mooooo

Got 4 tbc results for Feb all came between 7 and 9k. Normally only get one or two a month. My protein is after collapsing to 3.12. Only back out today but not much has changed inside diet wise. Unless I've hit a particularly ****e part of the pit....
Edit to add lorry has been collecting odd collections as in maybe 3 milkings etc as he adjusts his routes so maybe that may be it

Timmaay

Any maize moo? Mine has crashed from 3.66 a week ago to 3.31 last collection, cows still getting a fair whack of maize but I ran outa Milker leafy bales so only pit silage. Back on grass now by day so hopefully pick back up.

Mooooo

Timmaay wrote: »

Any maize moo? Mine has crashed from 3.66 a week ago to 3.31 last collection, cows still getting a fair whack of maize but I ran outa Milker leafy bales so only pit silage. Back on grass now by day so hopefully pick back up.

Yeah getting maize. Only on an 18% nut in parlour as I was hoping I'd be out at grass more but today is the first day out in 3 weeks, damage not limited either. By right they should prob be on a 23% while they were fulltime indoors. Urea results came low for those collections as well but just got one there at 24 so back up a bit. Surprising how it was fine until the last two results. Will see if the last collection improves p a bit.

whelan2

Eldest lad is on work placement. He was saying the host farmer has these silver bags for storing biestings. Has anyone used them ?

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Eldest lad is on work placement. He was saying the host farmer has these silver bags for storing biestings. Has anyone used them ?

These?

https://buyritesolutions.ie/product/colostro-start-set-10/

I use them, very handy and reusable as well.

Lime Tree Farm

https://connachtagri.ie/product/perfect-udder-colostrum-managment-system-4-litre/

I was given some of the Perfect Udder, 4 litre ones. When I checked their price, I thought they were expensive.

I didn't know there were other brands, the buyrite ones, listed about seem a reasonable price.

MF290

Does anyone know what the FRS rate for relief milking is? For the frs worker not what the farmer pays?

straight

A first calver calved here last night with a very small springing. She has no milk only thick yellow stuff and I'll have to leave her off for the year. I'm short on yearling heifers anyway. I wonder is there any fear she would do the same next year?

Mortelaro

MF290 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the FRS rate for relief milking is? For the frs worker not what the farmer pays?

They take a 15% margin roughly plus vat so subtract or add that
Although I think either dairy relief or relief milking is vat exempt, one of them is,so one is more popular than the other

yewtree

straight wrote: »

A first calver calved here last night with a very small springing. She has no milk only thick yellow stuff and I'll have to leave her off for the year. I'm short on yearling heifers anyway. I wonder is there any fear she would do the same next year?

I have no expierence of your particular issue. Anytime i gave cows or heifere a second chance it was always a disaster.

GrasstoMilk

straight wrote: »

A first calver calved here last night with a very small springing. She has no milk only thick yellow stuff and I'll have to leave her off for the year. I'm short on yearling heifers anyway. I wonder is there any fear she would do the same next year?

Keep milking and mealing her. She might come to it. Neighbour has a heifer doing 20l atm that calved 6 weeks ago and wasnt due till this week

Buford T. Justice XIX

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