Dairy Chitchat 3

Buford T. Justice XIX

Some might be interested in the OAD conference notes from yesterday.
https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2019/once-a-day-milking-conference.php

alps

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1023724/?__twitter_impression=true

Our friend George Lee is turning up some difficulty for us...

Say my name

alps wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1023724/?__twitter_impression=true

Our friend George Lee is turning up some difficulty for us...

A bit of context in money, mass population coercion and gullibility.

https://www.efanews.eu/item/6053

The masses lap it up.

It's even worse on Ryan tubridy at the beginning of the show with comments that cattle emit more methane than cars, airplanes and gas combined with a comment from a listener to look it up.

farisfat

Alot of big money is driving the media campaign against dairy and beef.
It's worth billions to them and it's working.

jaymla627

Say my name wrote: »

A bit of context in money, mass population coercion and gullibility.

https://www.efanews.eu/item/6053

The masses lap it up.

It's even worse on Ryan tubridy at the beginning of the show with comments that cattle emit more methane than cars, airplanes and gas combined with a comment from a listener to look it up.

The irony of a country like ourselves who are one of the most food secure countries on the planet through our dairy/beef industries going vegan and probably relying on 95 plus % of our food being imported in a vegan world shouldn't be lost on people, a bad year of droughts in the wrong crop producing regions wouldn't be a pretty scenario

alps

https://twitter.com/ProfWhelan/status/1085807311942119424?s=19


Here's the breakdown of the diet to save the world.

whelan2

alps wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ProfWhelan/status/1085807311942119424?s=19


Here's the breakdown of the diet to save the world.

See the numbers on the photo in case people don't know what milk looks like...

Timmaay

farisfat wrote: »

Alot of big money is driving the media campaign against dairy and beef.
It's worth billions to them and it's working.

You would wounder actually. The aviation industry gets away with murder in terms of emissions in comparison to other transport sectors, because it's near impossible to implement any sort of emissions control systems on jet engines, it would be in their interest to have attention diverted away from them ha. Not that the likes of massive US farming organizations aren't innocent of throwing their muscle around to suit themselves.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Cows and heifers dosed here today and vaccinated for IBR and Lepto as well. Only the bulls and assorted poorer cows left to do now.


Now off to do a bit of clearing up as the scrapers for the new cubicles going in tomorrow morning, another free half hour/day coming up once they're in.

Reggie.

alps wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ProfWhelan/status/1085807311942119424?s=19


Here's the breakdown of the diet to save the world.

Like to see a fella do a days work on that

gozunda

Reggie. wrote: »

Like to see a fella do a days work on that

The above photo details that the (sic) "diet that can save the world (g/d over a week)

A week - holy god! They are taking the piss.

This was some well directed criticism of these bunch of loonies and their 'diet'

Christopher Snowdon, head of lifestyle economics at the IEA, accused the authors of the planetary health diet of campaigning for a “nanny state”.

He added: “Their desire to limit people to eating one tenth of a sausage a day leaves us in no doubt that we are dealing with fanatics.

“They say they want to save the planet but it is not clear which planet are they on.”

straight

gozunda wrote: »

The above photo details that the (sic) "diet that can save the world (g/d over a week)

A week - holy god! They are taking the piss.

This was some well directed criticism of these bunch of loonies and their 'diet'

Looks like a breakfast

gozunda

straight wrote: »

Looks like a breakfast

Indeed. These are the movers behind the group called EAT pushing this tripe

What exactly is EAT? ... EAT was founded in 2013 by Gunhild Stordalen, an animal right activist for the Norwegian Animal Welfare Alliance (and the wife of hotel tycoon Petter Stordalen). This couple who are listed as being amongst Europe’s richest individuals ... display a particularly lavish lifestyle despite their image as green avengers.

The Stordalens have both the means and networks to put their ideas into action, as their contacts include CEOs, politicians, and royalties.

And where budgets allow it, influence can be purchased: 3.5 million Norwegian Kronar was paid to Bill Clinton - who went vegan (briefly) in 2010 - for a one-hour speech at an EAT conference in 2014.

You'd never guess there's a bunch of extreme vegans and animal rights nutters behind this?

The trouble is that the radio and television coverage are laying it on as if this lot are global food experts ...

Mortelaro

gozunda wrote: »

Indeed. These are the movers behind the group called EAT pushing this tripe



You'd never guess there's a bunch of extremist vegans and animal rights nutters behind this?

The trouble is that the radio and television coverage are laying it on as if this lot are global food experts ...

Philip boucher Hayes tore into Michael Healy Rae on liveline saying that report was fact
No mention of the agenda that paid for it...Or who the 37 scientists work for
He was giving it same credence as IPCC reports
Crazy unresearched stuff

Base price

Mortelaro wrote: »

Philip boucher Hayes tore into Michael Healy Rae on liveline saying that report was fact
No mention of the agenda that paid for it...Or who the 37 scientists work for
He was giving it same credence as IPCC reports
Crazy unresearched stuff

Ivan Yeats had a good segment on Newstalk and the consensus was the diet was imbalanced and unrealistic.

alps

Mortelaro wrote: »

Philip boucher Hayes tore into Michael Healy Rae on liveline saying that report was fact
No mention of the agenda that paid for it...Or who the 37 scientists work for
He was giving it same credence as IPCC reports
Crazy unresearched stuff

As an industry were sadly lacking eloquent, charismatic spokespeople....I know everyone is doing their best, but we just need well spoken people to keep the rubbish factor on these guys...FFS Niall Boylan is playing a better game than our own personnel...

Mooooo

alps wrote: »

As an industry were sadly lacking eloquent, charismatic spokespeople....I know everyone is doing their best, but we just need well spoken people to keep the rubbish factor on these guys...FFS Niall Boylan is playing a better game than our own personnel...

Lacking big time, need someone to be able to counter these arguments much better tbh from an Irish farming perspective.

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

The irony of a country like ourselves who are one of the most food secure countries on the planet through our dairy/beef industries going vegan and probably relying on 95 plus % of our food being imported in a vegan world shouldn't be lost on people, a bad year of droughts in the wrong crop producing regions wouldn't be a pretty scenario

The vast majority of grains go towards feeding animals for human consumption...

Say my name

The vast majority of grains wouldn't be fit for human consumption.

Not in this country anyhoo.

Gawddawggonnit

Say my name wrote: »

The vast majority of grains wouldn't be fit for human consumption.

Not in this country anyhoo.

I grew plenty milling grade wheat in Ireland back in the day. Flour from English wheat is way easier to import than messing with pesky tillage farmers.

Edit. There’s no reason whatsoever that crops for human consumption couldn’t be grown in Ireland but the food industry has made a commercial decision NOT to have them produced.
But that’s a different story.

Gawddawggonnit

Shopping around for 50N concrete atm and it’s around €240/cube. Gasp!

Seems the concrete manufacturing process is kinda hard on emissions so has been heavily taxed...what about CRH? Do they even pay tax?
I couldn’t be bothered to google it, but I’ll wager they’re up there with some of the best of them.

Agriculture is a low hanging fruit.

Say my name

Mooooo wrote: »

Lacking big time, need someone to be able to counter these arguments much better tbh from an Irish farming perspective.

There's no body going to do it though.
The Glanbia's and Strathroy's of this country won't put a spokesperson forward to counter the argument as they don't want to get drawn into this crap in case it effects sales and their image. And let's face it they probably have a contingency plan to bring out products for this market.

So that leaves the farmer unions and farmers themselves. Mostly farmers won't ring in to these shock jock radio stations as they're mostly too busy or won't stick the head above the parapet and those that do usually get murdered on radio by the radio host or the contrarian with the facts and figures plucked out of thin air.

So that leaves the farm unions and mostly the go to guy for the radio stations is Icsa president Patrick Kent as he's sure to give good soundbites. And soundbites and controversy pulls in listeners.
It's especially noticeable on Newstalk with RTE now following suit.
Nobody cares for the truth anymore.

yosemitesam1

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I grew plenty milling grade wheat in Ireland back in the day. Flour from English wheat is way easier to import than messing with pesky tillage farmers.

Edit. There’s no reason whatsoever that crops for human consumption couldn’t be grown in Ireland but the food industry has made a commercial decision NOT to have them produced.
But that’s a different story.

What sort of protein %'s are possible here?

Gawddawggonnit

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What sort of protein %'s are possible here?

With the right varieties and a knowledgeable farmer...14% is consistently achievable.
Hagbergs could be tricky in a bad harvest year though.

12units of liquid urea sprayed on at right time will give 1% rise in protein. Repeat every week or 10 days as needed...handheld leaf analysis is de rigueur now.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Shopping around for 50N concrete atm and it’s around €240/cube. Gasp!

Seems the concrete manufacturing process is kinda hard on emissions so has been heavily taxed...what about CRH? Do they even pay tax?
I couldn’t be bothered to google it, but I’ll wager they’re up there with some of the best of them.

Agriculture is a low hanging fruit.

Here's a bit about the 8% of greenhouse gases from concrete.
https://twitter.com/GHGGuru/status/1080455246806011905?s=19

Base price

Base price wrote: »

Ivan Yeats had a good segment on Newstalk and the consensus was the diet was imbalanced and unrealistic.

Dawg, is there any comments from the French media/local farmers on the Brexit situation?

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

The vast majority of grains go towards feeding animals for human consumption...

If you removed animals from the equation and had to rely on artificial fert solely for crops like Maize, ground wouldn’t be long about going infertile, watching Rodney Elliot in South Dakota he’s pumping all his slurry into neighboring tillage farmers after Maize is took off, makes a lot of sense as transporting out grain and having to truck back in fert isn’t economical given transport distances makes a lot more sense to put it into dairy cows and produce cheese worth 3000 dollars plus a ton as opposed to 90 dollars for a ton of maize

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

If you removed animals from the equation and had to rely on artificial fert solely for crops like Maize, ground wouldn’t be long about going infertile, watching Rodney Elliot in South Dakota he’s pumping all his slurry into neighboring tillage farmers after Maize is took off, makes a lot of sense as transporting out grain and having to truck back in fert isn’t economical given transport distances makes a lot more sense to put it into dairy cows and produce cheese worth 3000 dollars plus a ton as opposed to 90 dollars for a ton of maize

Was thinking something similar myself today but there's a few around in this country big into cover cropping and it's benefits which tbf are hard to ignore when you see the soil they dig up that hasn't been ploughed for 10 years or more.

I wonder in 20 odd years will anyone using a cow for milk or beef to consume themselves be outlawed and hunted down and have to go into hiding

jaymla627

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Was thinking something similar myself today but there's a few around in this country big into cover cropping and it's benefits which tbf are hard to ignore when you see the soil they dig up that hasn't been ploughed for 10 years or more.

I wonder in 20 odd years will anyone using a cow for milk or beef to consume themselves be outlawed and hunted down and have to go into hiding

I wouldn’t be to worried, we see it already in France the social unrest over Macron lording it over the lower classes, Leo and co while they might disregard the farming vote, any rural fg tds will be lynched when canvassing for the next general election, the political classes really should be cottoning on the average joe on the street isn’t going to take to well to more carbon taxes/meat taxes and been told to live of lettuce and nuts

kevthegaff

There seems to be a very negative sentiment to beef and dairy farmers atm

Keep Sluicing

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Shopping around for 50N concrete atm and it’s around €240/cube. Gasp!

Seems the concrete manufacturing process is kinda hard on emissions so has been heavily taxed...what about CRH? Do they even pay tax?
I couldn’t be bothered to google it, but I’ll wager they’re up there with some of the best of them.

Agriculture is a low hanging fruit.

I got 50N for £80/meter recently. Independently cube tested and all for that price.

Say my name

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Was thinking something similar myself today but there's a few around in this country big into cover cropping and it's benefits which tbf are hard to ignore when you see the soil they dig up that hasn't been ploughed for 10 years or more.

I wonder in 20 odd years will anyone using a cow for milk or beef to consume themselves be outlawed and hunted down and have to go into hiding

You should look up Kiwi Pete's posts on thefarmingforum he is doing a hell of a good job with sheep and cattle and building up soil carbon on pasture.

As has been posted before here there's a hell of a lot of money being pumped into the vegan effort for nothing more of a reason only sentimentality.
This report is the latest effort but media needs money to pay the bills too so..

The important thing is not to loose the head and see the good that you're doing.

Farmer Roy's thread in thefarmingforum is very good too. There's some very top notch regenerative graders in Oz. Bringing desert to life.

The minus thing that might effect cover cropping here would be a ban on glyphosate which is just about to happen in France anytime soon.

Waffletraktor

kevthegaff wrote: »

There seems to be a very negative sentiment to beef and dairy farmers atm

Ah just say you direct drill your grass seeds and post nonsense like #clubhectare or #rootsnotiron on twitter. It has the same effect as combine altitude sickness and you can say your simply mob grazing your cover crops(grass weeds twigs 'nd stuff) for #diversification with cows to the superior beings and be loved for single handedly saving the planet and revolutionising the wheel since the last bout of DD in the 70's

K9

jaymla627 wrote: »

I wouldn’t be to worried, we see it already in France the social unrest over Macron lording it over the lower classes, Leo and co while they might disregard the farming vote, any rural fg tds will be lynched when canvassing for the next general election, the political classes really should be cottoning on the average joe on the street isn’t going to take to well to more carbon taxes/meat taxes and been told to live of lettuce and nuts

IMO agriculture has faired well in recent budgets eg tams,bdgp,beep scheme, sheep welfare payment, glas and anc increases to name a few

jaymla627

K9 wrote: »

IMO agriculture has faired well in recent budgets eg tams,bdgp,beep scheme, sheep welfare payment, glas and anc increases to name a few

A lot of the above is co-funded from Europe, the tams schmes are probably cost neutrality given the jobs and investment it creates for the building trade, the last few days have seen fg set out their stall on the back of a report funded by fanatical vegan billionaires with a agenda....
It’s all well and good Covney waffling on about farmers getting creative with reducing carbon emissions but this government hasn’t implemented any measures to aid this, the fact that farmers who grew crops like willow and mischantas thinking their would be a market for them that never transpired is mind-boggling given Bnm are shutting down peat burning and now need huge amounts of biomass
The sheer lunacy that farmers if they want to be proactive and put up say windmills to generate electricity on-farm and excess power generated going back into the grid isn’t paid for says it all really too

K9

jaymla627 wrote: »

A lot of the above is co-funded from Europe, the tams schmes are probably cost neutrality given the jobs and investment it creates for the building trade, the last few days have seen fg set out their stall on the back of a report funded by fanatical vegan billionaires with a agenda....
It’s all well and good Covney waffling on about farmers getting creative with reducing carbon emissions but this government hasn’t implemented any measures to aid this, the fact that farmers who grew crops like willow and mischantas thinking their would be a market for them that never transpired is mind-boggling given Bnm are shutting down peat burning and now need huge amounts of biomass
The sheer lunacy that farmers if they want to be proactive and put up say windmills to generate electricity on-farm and excess power generated going back into the grid isn’t paid for says it all really too

Bdgp brought in by coveney has led to 540 million maternal gain in the suckler herd and 10% reduction emissions. This is a scheme that opposition parties and the beef plan want to do away with.
I’d think you’d agree farmers should operate as efficiently as possible Which in turn reduces emissions and leads to more profit. Most important kpi in suckler herds is live calves born per cow. On average it’s 80 to 85% which is poor. Mind you beef at 3.75 your screwed anyway.
Agree it was a poor comment by varadkar.
Anyway I’ll let ye back to talk about milk

wrangler

jaymla627 wrote: »

A lot of the above is co-funded from Europe, the tams schmes are probably cost neutrality given the jobs and investment it creates for the building trade, the last few days have seen fg set out their stall on the back of a report funded by fanatical vegan billionaires with a agenda....
It’s all well and good Covney waffling on about farmers getting creative with reducing carbon emissions but this government hasn’t implemented any measures to aid this, the fact that farmers who grew crops like willow and mischantas thinking their would be a market for them that never transpired is mind-boggling given Bnm are shutting down peat burning and now need huge amounts of biomass
The sheer lunacy that farmers if they want to be proactive and put up say windmills to generate electricity on-farm and excess power generated going back into the grid isn’t paid for says it all really too

Might be cofunded but it takes (thankless)lobbying to get them insitu.
We came up against the council in this county to allow Windmills, anyway they voted against them, but what I found surprising was the backlash from the locals against them.
Everyone wants reduction in carbon emissions but..... Not in my backyard
Political suicide for anyone that voted for them

Timmaay

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/globe-trotting-billionaire-behind-campaign-13872067?fbclid=IwAR11nyhF1B6S8ogkIbN7i5m_tFUdoVIoHR6HqXXZi8l1jVBIAZY8a518HDY

OK only after reading up about our vegan billionaire lunatic.

Gawddawggonnit

Base price wrote: »

Dawg, is there any comments from the French media/local farmers on the Brexit situation?

Nothing much until the vote in Westminster this week. Disbelief that the UK is so disorganized and divided...

Watched a good program on it last night where there were some bureaucrats that were involved on the fringes of putting the deal together. Their take on it was that Bruxelles was in the driving seat once T. May signed to have a deal for March 29...they knew that 40yrs of legislation couldn’t be undone in a couple of years.
Corbyn didn’t help their cause either when he proposed that the ‘no deal’ option should be off the table...

It’s farcical now.

Gawddawggonnit

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

I got 50N for £80/meter recently. Independently cube tested and all for that price.

Good price.
Even with (a hypothetical) Tams grant I couldn’t get it for that price!

Gawddawggonnit

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Ah just say you direct drill your grass seeds and post nonsense like #clubhectare or #rootsnotiron on twitter. It has the same effect as combine altitude sickness and you can say your simply mob grazing your cover crops(grass weeds twigs 'nd stuff) for #diversification with cows to the superior beings and be loved for single handedly saving the planet and revolutionising the wheel since the last bout of DD in the 70's

Lol.
Nailed it.

Gawddawggonnit

K9 wrote: »

IMO agriculture has faired well in recent budgets eg tams,bdgp,beep scheme, sheep welfare payment, glas and anc increases to name a few

What’ll it cost the taxpayers when new regs (of whatever kind?) are put in place to address the emissions issues?
Billions?

They extended the slurry spreading dates here by 6 weeks with the stroke of a pen, and the farmer pays if extra storage is needed.
Would it be worth chancing sending Wrangler and Co. to Paris to negotiate a Tams for us??
He could explain that the extra building work would make it cost neutral! .

K9

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

What’ll it cost the taxpayers when new regs (of whatever kind?) are put in place to address the emissions issues?
Billions?

They extended the slurry spreading dates here by 6 weeks with the stroke of a pen, and the farmer pays if extra storage is needed.
Would it be worth chancing sending Wrangler and Co. to Paris to negotiate a Tams for us??
He could explain that the extra building work would make it cost neutral! .

Mix your own concrete and you won’t need a grant!

wrangler

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

What’ll it cost the taxpayers when new regs (of whatever kind?) are put in place to address the emissions issues?
Billions?

They extended the slurry spreading dates here by 6 weeks with the stroke of a pen, and the farmer pays if extra storage is needed.
Would it be worth chancing sending Wrangler and Co. to Paris to negotiate a Tams for us??
He could explain that the extra building work would make it cost neutral! .

I wouldn't mind trying it in France, at least when we'd threaten action the opposition would be worried.
When you guys protest, you definitely get noticed

wrangler

K9 wrote: »

Mix your own concrete and you won’t need a grant!

Is there that much difference in buying ready mix and mixing your own.
I remember working it out when the grants spec was 350kg cement per cumtr for silage pits and realising there was very little saved.
As usual for grant it was overkill, specification was 40n and 350kg cement.
When the tests came back they were 55n..... fecking stuff was hardening in the chute

straight

I put down a new slatted tank here over the summer and it's leaking spring water into and out of it. Did any of ye ever have such an issue. Any ideas of how to fix it

The Nutty M

straight wrote: »

I put down a new slatted tank here over the summer and it's leaking spring water into and out of it. Did any of ye ever have such an issue. Any ideas of how to fix it

Our neighbor had it about 6/7 years ago. Remedy was to dig a trench around the tank to the point where the spring was. The bottom of the trench was 2ft above the floor of the tank,due to where it was being drained into. Backfilled with 6inch broken stone to a height of 2ft. There is always a flow of water out of the outflow any time I look.

alps

K9 wrote: »

Mix your own concrete and you won’t need a grant!

Noooooooooooooo

straight

The Nutty M wrote: »

Our neighbor had it about 6/7 years ago. Remedy was to dig a trench around the tank to the point where the spring was. The bottom of the trench was 2ft above the floor of the tank,due to where it was being drained into. Backfilled with 6inch broken stone to a height of 2ft. There is always a flow of water out of the outflow any time I look.

Still leaking so like. Our 5th tank and 1st one that ever had this problem. Was hoping it would seal itself up with ****. Maybe I could get the builders to put a 4 inch floor in the tank to seal up the floor/wall joint

The Nutty M

Yep still leaking out slightly when the tank is near full but no spring water getting into it. His was 15 years down before it started leaking but yours is fresh.

I'd have a chat with the lads that put it in and see what they say. If it turns out to be structural (which it sounds like) then you'd have grounds to ask what they will do to rectify it. Solutions could be anything from casing the crack and filling more concrete to waterproofing it with the same stuff that goes on underground buildings.

But I'd be definitely having a chat with the tank man and the digger man.