Nvidia RTX Discussion

Samuel T. Cogley

TitianGerm wrote: »

To be honest you'd be as well keeping your card and using it for something else than sell for €150.

Tempted to make a present of my 5700XT to my BIL who has a 580 and keep the 580 myself as a back up. You know for when I need to dump my 3070 for the 5070* :pac:

*Bet the 40-series will be crap. It's like the opposite of the Star Trek films where the even numbered ones are the best.

ShadowHearth

Hyzepher wrote: »

If the 3070 turns out to be the card that Nvidia have promoted then I predict the following once supply is adequate;

1080ti - €200
2060/Super - €150
2070 - €200
RX 5700XT - €200
2070 Super - €220
2080 - €240
2080 Super - €260
2080ti - €400

These could go even lower if AMD releases anything mildly competitive

Those prices would be almost spot on if 3060 will be 350eu ish card with performance of 2070S. Though i can't see 2080ti holding 400eu price tag. That's considering if 3070 is same/faster at launch then 2080ti. As we know gpus always get faster with more mature drivers too, so the gap is going to be bigger with time.

Saying all that adverts.ie is the place in its own universe. Just checked some of the pcs people are selling there. Wow...

jebidiah

There's a lot of entertainment on adverts at the moment. Lads getting low balled by 3-400 euro etc. Very good stuff.

I'm not sure why CEX are buying the 2080ti for 650?! Would make a lot of sense to off load your card there if you're worried

Squidgy Black

jebidiah wrote: »

There's a lot of entertainment on adverts at the moment. Lads getting low balled by 3-400 euro etc. Very good stuff.

I'm not sure why CEX are buying the 2080ti for 650?! Would make a lot of sense to off load your card there if you're worried

CEX will take ages to update their prices off the back of a release, but once they start getting a steady stock in they'll drop them fairly quick. Could also be a different story if you went in-store to trade one in vs what it says on the site.

ShadowHearth

jebidiah wrote: »

There's a lot of entertainment on adverts at the moment. Lads getting low balled by 3-400 euro etc. Very good stuff.

I'm not sure why CEX are buying the 2080ti for 650?! Would make a lot of sense to off load your card there if you're worried

As I said previously, if I had 2080ti to offload, then I would be running to cex right now. 650eu is the best they will ever get. I can't believe no one in CEX HQ have copped on. Surely even in higher ups they have some nerdy dude who fallows tech world.
I can't really even defend opinion of keeping it and just playing it. Selling to cex for 650eu, and adding another 50eu ish will get you modern 3080, which is faster ( will get faster with drivers ). Or spending 150eu on drugs, cheap hookers and bottle of vodka, then buying 3070 for 500eu 3070, that is still faster then 2080ti.

Samuel T. Cogley

I think the 3070 will only be faster in RT, maybe DLSS also - USP will be this streaming technology. I still think the 2080ti will be the faster card in the real world. The memory is going to hobble the 3070 I'd imagine.

So I reckon the 2080ti will hold around about €500.

JoyPad

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I think the 3070 will only be faster in RT, maybe DLSS also - USP will be this streaming technology. I still think the 2080ti will be the faster card in the real world. The memory is going to hobble the 3070 I'd imagine.

So I reckon the 2080ti will hold around about €500.

Don't forget the 3070Ti or 3070 Super. Sell the 2080Ti for 650 and get the 3070Ti for the same money, or slightly less.

Longing

Heads up. My local CEX would not take my 1080. Assistant ask did I check price online I said yes. She answered we have to ring head office over price and purchase. 2hrs later when I went back she give me the card back and said come back next week.

Hyzepher

CEX UK are taking 2080ti for £399 according to their site

Samuel T. Cogley

JoyPad wrote: »

Don't forget the 3070Ti or 3070 Super. Sell the 2080Ti for 650 and get the 3070Ti for the same money, or slightly less.

I reckon the Ti models will just be double the RAM and a clock speed bump.

Hyzepher

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I think the 3070 will only be faster in RT, maybe DLSS also - USP will be this streaming technology. I still think the 2080ti will be the faster card in the real world. The memory is going to hobble the 3070 I'd imagine.

So I reckon the 2080ti will hold around about €500.

Nvidia are saying that the 3070 will be as fast in rastering performance to the 2080ti

Q. When the slide says RTX 3070 is equal or faster than 2080 Ti, are we talking about traditional rasterization or DLSS/RT workloads? Very important if you could clear it up, since no traditional rasterization benchmarks were shown, only RT/DLSS supporting games.

[Justin Walker] We are talking about both. Games that only support traditional rasterization and games that support RTX (RT+DLSS).

Samuel T. Cogley

Still my prediction for when the benchmarks hit.

Squidgy Black

CeX UK have really slashed their prices for buying for cash. Although the purchase prices are still near new...

2060: £136
2060 Super: £169
2070: £173
2070 Super: £225
2080: £263
2080 Super: £310
2080Ti: £399

bobbyy gee

If using new Nvidia card I would use PCIe 4.0 motherboard like x570 with all lanes PCIe 4.0 rather than b550 motherboard with some lanes PCIe 4.0
For ryzen CPUs
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/74938/no-you-dont-need-pcie-4-0-for-the-new-geforce-rtx-3090-graphics-card/amp.html

Samuel T. Cogley

Thought the B550 had 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes for the GPU and then 4 for SSDs.

ShadowHearth

Longing wrote: »

Heads up. My local CEX would not take my 1080. Assistant ask did I check price online I said yes. She answered we have to ring head office over price and purchase. 2hrs later when I went back she give me the card back and said come back next week.

So it started. CEX argument already out of window.

Mr Crispy

Some observations from Hardware Unboxed re: the Digital Foundry Doom numbers.

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1301797023000084480?s=20
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1301797851962331138?s=20

Squidgy Black

Mr Crispy wrote: »

Some observations from Hardware Unboxed re: the Doom numbers.

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1301797023000084480?s=20
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1301797851962331138?s=20

The Doom video was a 3080 vs a 2080TI though as opposed to a 2080 was it not? Or am I reading the interpretation of it wrong

Edit: yeah these are the stats regarding the Digital Founders video where they showed % differences over the 2080

Samuel T. Cogley

Hmmm now I'm torn as I'm low refresh rate 3440x1440. No one ever caters to us :pac:

Always wondered what 4K+ Ultra wide is and is anyone doing these at 34"?

Mr Crispy

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The Doom video was a 3080 vs a 2080TI though as opposed to a 2080 was it not? Or am I reading the interpretation of it wrong

Edit: yeah these are the stats regarding the Digital Founders video where they showed % differences over the 2080

Yeah, I've edited now to clarify.

Squidgy Black

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Hmmm now I'm torn as I'm low refresh rate 3440x1440. No one ever caters to us :pac:

Always wondered what 4K+ Ultra wide is and is anyone doing these at 34"?

I'm in the same boat at 60hz, I'm torn between the 70, which will more than likely do the job for a couple of years, or the 80 which you would think is a bit more future proof. Leaning towards just going all out and not having to worry about any AAA titles for two or three years unless there's some massive advancement that requires an upgrade again.

Hyzepher

In my opinion, if you don't already have a 2080ti and have had no need for one then a 3070 (at promised performance) will be sufficient for 90% of people. I would maintain that maybe a 2080ti would be more than enough for anyone.

The concept of future proofing is flawed anyway

TitianGerm

I've dual screen 1440P 144HZ panels. If I can grab a 3080 I'm just going to buy it.

Squidgy Black

Hyzepher wrote: »

In my opinion, if you don't already have a 2080ti and have had no need for one then a 3070 (at promised performance) will be sufficient for 90% of people. I would maintain that maybe a 2080ti would be more than enough for anyone.

The concept of future proofing is flawed anyway

That's true, it's all hyperbole until the benchmarks are released really.

K.O.Kiki

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Hmmm now I'm torn as I'm low refresh rate 3440x1440. No one ever caters to us :pac:

Always wondered what 4K+ Ultra wide is and is anyone doing these at 34"?

Your screen isn't 4K Ultrawide, it's 1440p UW.
2560 x 1440 = 3.69 Megapixels
3440 x 1440 = 4.95 Megapixels
3840 x 2160 = 8.3 Megapixels

WQHD+ (3840 × 1600, 6.14 Megapixels) & WUHD (5120 × 2160, 11.06 Megapixels) exist.
There's also Dual QHD (5120 x 1440, 7.37 Megapixels).

BloodBath

Nvidia did kind of low ball the memory amounts on these cards considering next gen consoles have 16GB's of GDDR6 with around 12+ usable by games. The 3070 should have had at least 10-12 imo with the 3080 being on 16.

They will offer 16gb 3070's and 20gb 3080's but that's just an excuse to charge even more.

Paying €500-600 for a card with only 8gb or €700-800 for one with 10gb of memory in near 2021 is a bit steep. Especially when there are already games that see benefit from having >8. This will only get worse with next gen console games being designed to take advantage of 12+.

Wonda-Boy

Its all relative tbh, If I did have a 2080 or 2080ti I would not be going mental like half the PC community. Its not like they are bad cards overnight now is it, I get that they were hugely overpriced at launch but alot of PC tech is not just GPUs.

I am delighted to get the AMPERE as my card is so old, so its a win win for me.

I really dont get why people who have a 2080ti for say and year or so are whinging like bitches....fair enough if you only bought a 2080ti in the last month but if you are buying cutting edge GPUs like this is the 1st place you are obviously a enthusiast so should have been aware what is around the corner.

MidlanderMan

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

They're not AFAIK, it's just been misreported.

No, they're related.

ShadowHearth

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Hmmm now I'm torn as I'm low refresh rate 3440x1440. No one ever caters to us :pac:

Always wondered what 4K+ Ultra wide is and is anyone doing these at 34"?

Same here. 3440x1440x60hz. Definitely not planning going anything near 144hz. I have laptop with 144hz and its lovely, but meh. I have fps globally capped to 60. I Don't play shooters anyway, so ultrawide 60 over 144hz for me personally. I bet something like 3060 will even do me.

ShadowHearth

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Its all relative tbh, If I did have a 2080 or 2080ti I would not be going mental like half the PC community. Its not like they are bad cards overnight now is it, I get that they were hugely overpriced at launch but alot of PC tech is not just GPUs.

I am delighted to get the AMPERE as my card is so old, so its a win win for me.

I really dont get why people who have a 2080ti for say and year or so are whinging like bitches....fair enough if you only bought a 2080ti in the last month but if you are buying cutting edge GPUs like this is the 1st place you are obviously a enthusiast so should have been aware what is around the corner.

To be fair, its unwritten rule in gpu world: high ends gpus will never be good or even decent in performance/per euro category. You buy those if you are real enthusiast or have money to burn or you want a few inches on your ePenis, which you can wave around on reddit.
Those who bought 2080ti when it was launched got the value out of it considering the list above. Those who bought it in the last 4 months... well, not much sympathy, because they knew new cards are just around the corner. They just payed "inpatient" tax and got caught.