Sweden Riots

Greentopia

inforfun wrote: »

Does that really matter, the source?

Jesus wept. Of course it matters! anyone with an agenda can made up a graph, stick it online and call it fact. Who has researched that information, what is the veracity of it? what is their agenda in publishing it? lots to take into account before I take it as factual information. Critical analysis and research... hard wurk I know :rolleyes:

inforfun wrote: »

Is it really so hard to imagine that when in 1 night 90 cars are set on fire that more cars are set on fire in 1 month than in the entire 70's?

That's not how it works. You can't just use your imagination to extrapolate information from graphs that have no primary sources given.

Greentopia

batgoat wrote: »

Neither Identity Ireland or Renua look likely to pick up votes at any point in near future.

Who? :pac:

RustyNut

Greentopia wrote: »

That's not how it works. You can't just use your imagination to extrapolate information from graphs that have no primary sources given.

Ah now, it's the ah way, if you have no facts to support your agenda you can make up some "alternative facts" that do.

Make after hours great again.....

AndrewJRenko

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Considering the thread "Is Islam right for Ireland" had a poll where 92% of Boards' posters gave an emphatic NO, I do believe those naive enough to see no problem either societally or economically to mass immigration from the 3rd world are thankfully very much in the minority.

If you think a poll of <300 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large, you really should get out more.

I can just picture all that scurrying around on stormfront and the Identity Ireland pages imploring supporters to swing the vote.

2 Scoops

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think a poll of <300 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large, you really should get out more.

Chatham house did a poll which found the majority of Europeans wanted to end immigration from Muslim countries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/majority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271

"A majority of Europeans would support a Trump-style ban on further migration from mainly Muslim countries, according to a poll of more than 10,000 people in 10 countries.

An average of 55 percent of those surveyed for London-based think tank, Chatham House, agreed that immigration from Muslim–majority countries should be halted."

https://twitter.com/ChathamHouse/status/829010101763702786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E829010101763702786&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fstoryline%2Feuropes-border-crisis%2Fmajority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271

SnakePlissken

batgoat wrote: »

we can comfortably say that immigration is not considered a big concern of the electorate in Ireland.

You speak for the electorate do you? Don't be so obnoxious.

Absolutely no country in Europe has benefited either socially or economically from the mass influx of migrants from the Middle East and North Africa, not France, not Germany, not Sweden, but Ireland will be different of course, only racists and bigots are concerned about immigration, good lad.

dav3

2 Scoops wrote: »

Chatham house did a poll

And something a little more up to date. Look at Ireland out there in front. All this huffing and puffing and attempted fear-mongering is working wonders lads. Keep it up.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/25/european-xenophobia-reflects-racial-diversity-not-asylum-applications?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/europeanxenophobiareflectsracialdiversitynotasylumapplicationsdailychart

batgoat

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You speak for the electorate do you? Don't be so obnoxious.

It's backed up though..
http://www.thejournal.ie/80-of-irish-people-believe-immigrants-integrate-successfully-3967095-Apr2018/

Jimbob1977

I was in Gothenburg a few years ago. About 10% of the city population are resettled refugees (or their descendants) from conflicts in Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, etc.

The Swedes were very good to accept people from war-torn areas and give them a new home.

Unfortunately, the Swedes made the classic mistake of lumping them together in peripheral housing estates like the banlieues of Paris. This has led to ghettoisation.

2 Scoops

dav3 wrote: »

And something a little more up to date. Look at Ireland out there in front. All this huffing and puffing and attempted fear-mongering is working wonders lads. Keep it up.

Your link still shows overwhelming resistance to non EU immigration overall in Europe. Ireland hasn't been hit with it to the extent the likes of Germany, France and Belgium have, if/when it happens here opinions like in other countries will quickly change.

RustyNut

2 Scoops wrote: »

Your link still shows overwhelming resistance to non EU immigration overall in Europe. Ireland hasn't been hit with it to the extent the likes of Germany, France and Belgium have, if/when it happens here opinions like in other countries will quickly change.

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

TeaBagMania

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

Fake News

SnakePlissken

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think a poll of 00 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large.

I don't, but it does have more substance than pulling "facts" from one's backside as you have done.

pumpkin4life

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

The percentage of population in your country is made up more on immigrant births/people etc as a result of influx of people. So when you ask them, they're more likely to have a positive sentiment, say the increase of Turks into Germany and asking them are you anti non EU immigration. It explains some of the irregularities there (Italy elect one of the most anti immigration parties in Europe, yet sentiment towards non EU Takes a big jump), and can maybe be used as a sort of marker for the speed of which your country is turning multicultural. If I am right about that, Sweden is about to flip very soon, much sooner than Germany or us for example. The Netherlands are to flip soon as well.

But one of the condfounding factors as well is the social desirability bias.

In Orban's Hungary, you can freely express this.

In Ireland, go along to get along as it is, you could lose your job or get in trouble for expressing this, so you lie on the survey.

The_Kew_Tour

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

Remember everyone saying they vote Clinton in last POTUS election. People are afraid to say the truth in public but behind it they may see different.

See it myself. Anyway Belgium has huge immigrant population they obviously would

RustyNut

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Remember everyone saying they vote Clinton in last POTUS election. People are afraid to say the truth in public but behind it they may see different.

The majority did vote for Clinton.

The_Kew_Tour

RustyNut wrote: »

The majority did vote for Clinton.

They did. But even in Florida she had the majority right up to the day of voting.

She ain't President though is she

Kivaro

batgoat wrote: »

It was pretty clear what he meant, in much the same way we can comfortably say that immigration is not considered a big concern of the electorate in Ireland. Neither Identity Ireland or Renua look likely to pick up votes at any point in near future.

Legal immigration is not a big concern, but illegal immigration, failed asylum seekers (and their whereabouts after being refused to stay in Ireland), and economic migrants who have no intention of contributing to our society, is indeed a concern to many. Ireland does not have the resources or the infrastructure to take care of these migrants.

When our children do not have to wait years in pain waiting for scoliosis treatment, when all our children are able to find mental health services after 5 pm and on weekends, when we can get more than one hour per week from the HSE to help us care for our elderly parents, when there is enough affordable housing for the workers supporting the welfare state, when there is a healthcare system fit for purpose and unburdened by a bloated bureaucracy, when there are enough jails and a revamped judiciary to hand out sentences reflective of the damage done to victims ..................., then, we should consider inviting more (who are willing to contribute) to our country.

4068ac1elhodqr

RustyNut wrote: »

How do you explain the increase in positive sentiment towards non EU immigrants in Germany Belgium etc?

Is this the same Germany that had AfD gain a +7.9% swing and 94 new seats taken in 2017, away from the leading two parties. (AfD was previously unrepresented, with 0 seats in the Bundestag).

Auguste Comte

pumpkin4life wrote: »

In Ireland, go along to get along as it is, you could lose your job or get in trouble for expressing this, so you lie on the survey.

People in Ireland losing their jobs for expressing an opinion on immigration? When did this happen?

batgoat

Kivaro wrote: »

Legal immigration is not a big concern, but illegal immigration, failed asylum seekers (and their whereabouts after being refused to stay in Ireland), and economic migrants who have no intention of contributing to our society, is indeed a concern to many. Ireland does not have the resources or the infrastructure to take care of these migrants.

When our children do not have to wait years in pain waiting for scoliosis treatment, when all our children are able to find mental health services after 5 pm and on weekends, when we can get more than one hour per week from the HSE to help us care for our elderly parents, when there is enough affordable housing for the workers supporting the welfare state, when there is a healthcare system fit for purpose and unburdened by a bloated bureaucracy, when there are enough jails and a revamped judiciary to hand out sentences reflective of the damage done to victims ..................., then, we should consider inviting more (who are willing to contribute) to our country.

See this is back to the stupidity of blaming all the country's woes on the easiest target. Refugees or asylum seekers are not responsible for our health service being a convoluted mess and they won't suddenly improve if we reject refugees. Your entire second paragraph is simply ridiculous.

PlaneSpeeking

batgoat wrote: »

Kivaro wrote: »

Legal immigration is not a big concern, but illegal immigration, failed asylum seekers (and their whereabouts after being refused to stay in Ireland), and economic migrants who have no intention of contributing to our society, is indeed a concern to many. Ireland does not have the resources or the infrastructure to take care of these migrants.

When our children do not have to wait years in pain waiting for scoliosis treatment, when all our children are able to find mental health services after 5 pm and on weekends, when we can get more than one hour per week from the HSE to help us care for our elderly parents, when there is enough affordable housing for the workers supporting the welfare state, when there is a healthcare system fit for purpose and unburdened by a bloated bureaucracy, when there are enough jails and a revamped judiciary to hand out sentences reflective of the damage done to victims ..................., then, we should consider inviting more (who are willing to contribute) to our country.

See this is back to the stupidity of blaming all the country's woes on the easiest target. Refugees or asylum seekers are not responsible for our health service being a convoluted mess and they won't suddenly improve if we reject refugees. Your entire second paragraph is simply ridiculous.

That is hilarious. Massive increased numbers of non contributors have a huge effect. Naive at best that

batgoat

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That is hilarious. Massive increased numbers of non contributors have a huge effect. Naive at best that

The HSE being an administrative mess that needs to be reformed is the issue of the HSE(hence all the efforts to reform it). We put incredible amounts of months into the HSE and it still continues to be a mess. So no, I don't think attributing our system's mess to refugees is particularly clever or accurate. I also know a fair
few people who have come in as refugees, they're now in the work force and contribute plenty. (Not secret economic migrants btw)

Kivaro

batgoat wrote: »

See this is back to the stupidity of blaming all the country's woes on the easiest target. Refugees or asylum seekers are not responsible for our health service being a convoluted mess and they won't suddenly improve if we reject refugees. Your entire second paragraph is simply ridiculous.

With estimates of €110 Million required for the support and services of the 200 Calais refugee "minors" that Catherine Zappone orchestrated, I beg to differ.

That money could well be used on children in Ireland and since no budgetary provision had been made for Zappone's folly, the Irish cabinet was told that other services under her remit would be affected. In other words, they would have to take from existing services for Irish children in order to pay for the services and support for the Calais group, including legal and therapeutic interventions.

This is the height of stupidity.

fly_agaric

batgoat wrote: »

The HSE being an administrative mess that needs to be reformed is the issue of the HSE(hence all the efforts to reform it). We put incredible amounts of months into the HSE and it still continues to be a mess. So no, I don't think attributing our system's mess to refugees is particularly clever or accurate.

Well we've always been a bit of a shambles anyway when it comes to organising stuff properly. We just came out of a period where we'd overdosed on religion, still have alot of belief in tribalism/localism + bonehead "big man" type politics, our infrastructure is mediocre at best (i.e. hallmarks of a fairly undeveloped country for all our wealth).
We're not third world, but we're no Scandinavians or Germans (IMO).

The effects of importing communities of poor developing world people who, if all goes well (looks like its not) & we are very optimistic will take multiple generations to fully shed their backward mindsets are likely to be more shocking over there (Germany, Scandinavia etc.) than they will ever be here!

Beechwoodspark

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They did. But even in Florida she had the majority right up to the day of voting.

She ain't President though is she

The majority voted for her though

Greentopia

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I was in Gothenburg a few years ago. About 10% of the city population are resettled refugees (or their descendants) from conflicts in Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, etc.

The Swedes were very good to accept people from war-torn areas and give them a new home.

Unfortunately, the Swedes made the classic mistake of lumping them together in peripheral housing estates like the banlieues of Paris. This has led to ghettoisation.

Swedes have always seen it as their humanitarian duty to do so. But yes, major mistakes have been made in lumping them together in certain areas. They spend billions each year on the Migration Agency and supporting services and haven't gotten integration in housing right yet.

It doesn't help that ethnic Swedes don't want to live in these areas anyway and don't tend to mix so much (or at all) with certain nationalities- Somalis or immigrants from Middle East countries for example.

AndrewJRenko

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I don't, but it does have more substance than pulling "facts" from one's backside as you have done.

Which particular "facts" are you referring to here?

2 Scoops wrote: »

Chatham house did a poll which found the majority of Europeans wanted to end immigration from Muslim countries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/majority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271

"A majority of Europeans would support a Trump-style ban on further migration from mainly Muslim countries, according to a poll of more than 10,000 people in 10 countries.

An average of 55 percent of those surveyed for London-based think tank, Chatham House, agreed that immigration from Muslim–majority countries should be halted."

Yeah, that's just slightly different from the 92% claimed from the boards poll. And it didn't include Ireland in the survey.

Any chance that you'd stop shifting the oul goalposts?

wirelessdude01

This was just on the RTE 9 o'clock news.

Taytoland

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Considering the thread "Is Islam right for Ireland" had a poll where 92% of Boards' posters gave an emphatic NO, I do believe those naive enough to see no problem either societally or economically to mass immigration from the 3rd world are thankfully very much in the minority.

If you think a poll of 00 self-selecting boards.Ie is representative of the population at large, you really should get out more.

I can just picture all that scurrying around on stormfront and the Identity Ireland pages imploring supporters to swing the vote.

The fact you think that is what it would take to win such a poll shows how out of touch you are with the people on this. People see what is going on, they aren't blind.

OneEightSeven

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This was just on the RTE 9 o'clock news.

No mention of the ethnic background of the gangs. They mentioned immigration once when talking about the upcoming elections. Anyone who isn't aware of Sweden's humanitarian efforts over the last 40 years would be lead to believe it was ethnic Swedes responsible for the carnage.

end of the road

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So you lied then and now backtrack.

no . just explained the obvious.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Cool, just say that. Safe space here and all that.

i did.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You speak for the electorate do you? Don't be so obnoxious.

Absolutely no country in Europe has benefited either socially or economically from the mass influx of migrants from the Middle East and North Africa, not France, not Germany, not Sweden, but Ireland will be different of course, only racists and bigots are concerned about immigration, good lad.

yes, he technically does speak for the electorate, because they haven't voted in parties who would hault immigration to ireland. that may change in the future, but for now, the parties who support such measures barely get votes.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They did. But even in Florida she had the majority right up to the day of voting.

She ain't President though is she

she's not no . because of the electoral college votes. the majority of the people voted for her though.

Greentopia

OneEightSeven wrote: »

No mention of the ethnic background of the gangs. They mentioned immigration once when talking about the upcoming elections. Anyone who isn't aware of Sweden's humanitarian efforts over the last 40 years would be lead to believe it was ethnic Swedes responsible for the carnage.

There will likely be no mention of the ethnic origins or nationality of the perpetrators coming from the Swedish authorities and media. They avoid this so as not to stigmatise certain ethnicities and nationalities.
Unless the laws have changed since I was there at least.

The_Kew_Tour

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The majority voted for her though

she was meant to win and win handy enough.

The_Kew_Tour

end of the road wrote: »

she's not no . because of the electoral college votes. the majority of the people voted for her though.

Had nothing yo do with what I said

AndrewJRenko

Taytoland wrote: »

The fact you think that is what it would take to win such a poll shows how out of touch you are with the people on this. People see what is going on, they aren't blind.

When exactly did people appoint you as their spokesperson on this?

bfa1509

I go to stockholm 3 or 4 times a year for work. The Swedish people are the nicest people you could ever meet. It's heartbreaking to see whats happening to them over the last few years. Walking through the streets you wouldn't know what city in Europe you are in, they all look the same now. There are huge lion-shaped concrete bollards erected at the end of nearly all the pedestrianised streets now, no doubt due to the fear of there being another attack.

Gaddaffi's 2011 prophecy is coming to fruition...

The_Kew_Tour

bfa1509 wrote: »

I go to stockholm 3 or 4 times a year for work. The Swedish people are the nicest people you could ever meet. It's heartbreaking to see whats happening to them over the last few years. Walking through the streets you wouldn't know what city in Europe you are in, they all look the same now. There are huge lion-shaped concrete bollards erected at the end of nearly all the pedestrianised streets now, no doubt due to the fear of there being another attack.

Gaddaffi's 2011 prophecy is coming to fruition...

Can I ask why you think City feels different?

Do you feel less safe or is it just vibe?

How do Swedish people feel?

Greentopia

bfa1509 wrote: »

I go to stockholm 3 or 4 times a year for work. The Swedish people are the nicest people you could ever meet. It's heartbreaking to see whats happening to them over the last few years. Walking through the streets you wouldn't know what city in Europe you are in, they all look the same now. There are huge lion-shaped concrete bollards erected at the end of nearly all the pedestrianised streets now, no doubt due to the fear of there being another attack.

Gaddaffi's 2011 prophecy is coming to fruition...

Uh those lion sculptures were commissioned after a Swedish sculptor made concrete sheep in Gotland (sheep country) as bollards on the streets of Visby and the city fathers in Stockholm decided they wanted the symbol of the Swedish coat of arms -the lion to be made into stone sculptures to let car drives know they were forbidden from entering pedestrian streets. Nothing to do with fear of attacks
They just look nicer than concrete slabs is all.

I'm a frequent visitor too, mostly to Gothenburg though.

bfa1509

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Can I ask why you think City feels different?

Do you feel less safe or is it just vibe?

How do Swedish people feel?

I feel completely safe in the built up areas of Stockholm, I haven't experienced any of the notorious suburbs though. Like a lot of European cities, you have "no-go" areas popping up, which were unheard of in Stockholm just a few years back. The amount of security has drastically increased naturally since the lorry attack last year. There are armed police everywhere.

I have asked a few Swedish people how they feel about the immigration problem but they refuse to say anything about it, they just change the subject. If you watch the television over there it is completely riddled with PC propaganda. It doesn't surprise me at all that they are in the situation they are in.

RustyNut

RustyNut wrote: »

The majority did vote for Clinton.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The majority voted for her though

You're both wrong.

bfa1509

Greentopia wrote: »

Uh those lion sculptures were commissioned after a Swedish sculptor made concrete sheep in Gotland (sheep country) as bollards on the streets of Visby and the city fathers in Stockholm decided they wanted the symbol of the Swedish coat of arms -the lion to be made into stone sculptures to let car drives know they were forbidden from entering pedestrian streets. Nothing to do with fear of attacks
They just look nicer than concrete slabs is all.

I'm a frequent visitor too, mostly to Gothenburg though.

I stand corrected. The things are so huge and ugly I just assumed they were to stop vehicles in their tracks. I'm nearly sure lots more of them were erected since last year though.

Greentopia

bfa1509 wrote: »

I feel completely safe in the built up areas of Stockholm, I haven't experienced any of the notorious suburbs though. Like a lot of European cities, you have "no-go" areas popping up, which were unheard of in Stockholm just a few years back. The amount of security has drastically increased naturally since the lorry attack last year. There are armed police everywhere.

I have asked a few Swedish people how they feel about the immigration problem but they refuse to say anything about it, they just change the subject. If you watch the television over there it is completely riddled with PC propaganda. It doesn't surprise me at all that they are in the situation they are in.

Same feeling I get. Increased police presence but I still feel very safe there in the city centres of Stockholm and Gothenburg. Now I wouldn't venture to areas out in certain suburbs at night however.

My friends there even are the same-they clam up and don't like to talk much about the problems. But my experiences with them when they will talk are that nothing much has changed the opinion of the majority on how welcoming, tolerant and trusting they are to refugees and immigrants coming in.

They think the media reports are mostly lies and exaggerations of the truth to whip up a climate of fear and support for the far right SD, especially those coming from foreign sources. They accept there are problems they have to address, but not the solutions offered by the SD to repatriate refugees.

No-one I know is a supporter of SD, but that's just in my small sample group of friends. I do know there is fear there in some quarters about the rise of xenophobia and racism and that the much valued Swedish openness and high trust society is under threat.

Speaking about this issue is not easy though for them. There is the fear of saying the wrong thing and be seen as racist so they often go out of their way to be anti-racist -one friend works with Muslim women in education programs for immigrants in her library and her thinking is that they have a moral duty to accept people in genuine need of sanctuary and help. She genuinely believes it is the right thing to do to accept as many immigrants and refugees as need their help.

Swedes have a habit of not addressing structural problems in the country because they have a deeply engrained sense that their way is the right way, that they are a leading shining light for the rest of the world to follow- and that teaching starts from Kindergarten onwards. If only every other country could be more like Sweden the world would be so much better! they really believe that.

I noticed this when reading anything about any new social development or policy outcome in the newspapers there. Always "vi är bäst i världen" -we are the best in the world in... fill in the blank. I ended up believing it myself after I lived there for a few years.

It's not a HOO-HAA!! we are the greatest flag waving patriotism like in the US, but they are very nationalistic in their own quiet way and proud of the Swedish Model, and they want to keep it that way.

Racism exists there but it's much more...covert shall we say than in other countries. Most people would never openly discriminate against another nationality but there is definitely a hierarchy of cultural acceptance for people from other countries, with other Northern Europeans at the top, and Somalis at the bottom.

Ethnic Swedes may champion integrated schools for example, but won't send their own kids to an immigrant rich school, or they will have jobs open for all on paper, but then some employers will quietly bin any applicants that have a non-Swedish sounding name so they don't have to work with them.

And all my Swedish friends live in areas where it's a majority ethnic Swedish population and not in immigrant "ghettos". No matter how left wing and pro-immigrant they are I never see any wanting to move to these trouble areas :pac:

There are a lot of barriers still for immigrants to access the kinds of jobs, housing, education and so on that most ethnic Swedes take for granted. Those will have to be tackled in a more robust way to address structural inequalities and poverty among these communities that often feel they have no stake in Swedish society, so they take their anger out by burning cars and occasionally rioting.

I love Sweden and the Swedish people are the kindest and most gentle people I've ever met, and I plan one day to buy a little house there in the country for holidays so I really hope they will get to grips with these problems.

Greentopia

bfa1509 wrote: »

I stand corrected. The things are so huge and ugly I just assumed they were to stop vehicles in their tracks. I'm nearly sure lots more of them were erected since last year though.

Oh. I quite liked them actually better than concrete blocks anyway...
I don't know when exactly they were first installed but I have never heard anything about any connection with the attacks there only what they are meant to be.

Billy86

Have they figured out who was responsible yet?

Greentopia

Billy86 wrote: »

Have they figured out who was responsible yet?

The police in Gothenburg have three suspects in custody. An 18, 19 and 20 year old. All have previous convictions for crimes like selling drugs, GBH, robbery and more. One was arrested in Turkey and is expected back in Sweden to face charges.

That's all the information they have released about the ones who burned cars there anyway.

Chris_Heilong

Should we all start sending these kind of reports to our TDs and MEPs now so they cant say "nobody could have predicted..." in a few years time, it is only a matter of time as long as the "wont you please think of the children" are making decisions.

SnakePlissken

end of the road wrote: »

yes, he technically does speak for the electorate.

Nope, he most certainly does not.

SnakePlissken

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

The fact you think that is what it would take to win such a poll shows how out of touch you are with the people on this. People see what is going on, they aren't blind.

When exactly did people appoint you as their spokesperson on this?

We had a vote last night.

Potatoeman

dav3 wrote: »

And something a little more up to date. Look at Ireland out there in front. All this huffing and puffing and attempted fear-mongering is working wonders lads. Keep it up.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/25/european-xenophobia-reflects-racial-diversity-not-asylum-applications?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/europeanxenophobiareflectsracialdiversitynotasylumapplicationsdailychart

That’s about non-EU countries but the other poll is specifically muslims. Big difference.