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NEW 2018 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

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    #812
    SJ.
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭SJ.


    Sure, anyone can do the tests, but I think it's a bit much to suggest that the general calibre of applicants was poor; much less that DPER would say such a thing.

    Those APs are, by and large, excellent.


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    #813
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    SJ. wrote: »
    Sure, anyone can do the tests, but I think it's a bit much to suggest that the general calibre of applicants was poor; much less that DPER would say such a thing.

    Those APs are, by and large, excellent.

    Thankfully they’re delighted with very recent PO appointments!;)


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    #814
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Didn't make the cut on the shortlisting, that's disappointing.


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    #815
    :Keith:
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭:Keith:


    Stage 2 shortlisting results are just out.

    Supervised testing scheduled to commence on 19 Nov.


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    #816
    TrooperJones
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭TrooperJones


    133 points, so 44 on the Open and 31 on the InterD, and just got an email saying I'm through the shortlisting.

    Supervised tests on the 19th.


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    #817
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,797 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Didn't make the cut on the shortlisting, that's disappointing.
    I thought anyone who got over the 114 would be shortlisted?.....better go check!


    EDIT
    Yeah so I have do the supervised test as well, have people been eliminated based on their CV?

    We will be in touch with your shortly regarding the next stage of the competition (supervised testing) which is scheduled to commence 19th November.


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    #818
    quad_red
    Registered Users Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭quad_red


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Didn't make the cut on the shortlisting, that's disappointing.

    Same. I’m really disappointed. Made it to interview last time. Not even sufficient to get to stage 2 this time. That’s with a better performance in the exams and more experience.


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    #819
    seamie78
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭seamie78


    out of curiosity do they give a reason why ye didn't make the shortlist. waiting on them to do the regional areas myself


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    #820
    Monkey5
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Monkey5


    gmisk wrote: »
    have people been eliminated based on their CV?

    Yes, for insufficient management experience.


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    #821
    tea and coffee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    Squeaky bum time.... No email yet.


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    #822
    Ravelleman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    tea and coffee wrote: »
    Squeaky bum time.... No email yet.

    Indeed.


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    #823
    TrooperJones
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭TrooperJones


    Monkey5 wrote: »
    Yes, for insufficient management experience.

    Did it say that, or are you guessing?

    I don't really have any management experience, but I have a lot of policy experience and I made it through.


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    #824
    Monkey5
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Monkey5


    TrooperJones wrote: »
    Did it say that, or are you guessing?

    I don't really have any management experience, but I have a lot of policy experience and I made it through.

    They said it, strictly speaking it's "management and leadership". I do have some but may have undersold it.


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    #825
    Sir Ophiuchus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Sir Ophiuchus


    Also was cut out. Intend to appeal it. Anyone know if there's a formalised process?

    Edit: I've looked into it. There is. https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/review-process

    Note that the deadlines are very tight (two days).


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    #826
    tea and coffee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    Ravelleman wrote: »
    Indeed.

    Are you having the same experience? ;-)

    Just got my email. Got through. Phew.


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    #827
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,797 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    TrooperJones wrote: »
    Did it say that, or are you guessing?

    I don't really have any management experience, but I have a lot of policy experience and I made it through.
    I would be similar, I am HEO but dont have staff reporting to me.
    I do manage projects and lead teams on those though.


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    #828
    Ravelleman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    tea and coffee wrote: »
    Are you having the same experience? ;-)

    Just got my email. Got through. Phew.

    Yep, just got mine there and am through.


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    #829
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Sir Ophiuchus wrote: »
    Also was cut out. Intend to appeal it. Anyone know if there's a formalised process?

    There is, you'll find the appeal process on the PAS website. Short time-limit on it, so don't delay.


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    #830
    Doubtitdub
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Doubtitdub


    Sir Ophiuchus wrote: »
    Also was cut out. Intend to appeal it. Anyone know if there's a formalised process?


    Here is the Appeal procedures.. very short timeframes really.

    https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/review-process


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    #831
    RiseToMe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭RiseToMe


    TrooperJones wrote: »
    Did it say that, or are you guessing?

    I don't really have any management experience, but I have a lot of policy experience and I made it through.

    I got the same-lack of management experience. Oddly enough I work in senior management in a college and have roughly 45 staff, so perhaps undersold myself.

    Ah well.


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    #832
    Sir Ophiuchus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Sir Ophiuchus


    Have sent a request for informal review (in the first case). We'll see what happens.


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    #833
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    RiseToMe wrote: »
    I got the same-lack of management experience. Oddly enough I work in senior management in a college and have roughly 45 staff, so perhaps undersold myself.

    Ah well.

    Appeal the decision.


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    #834
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    What is the contact email address for this? Thanks


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    #835
    Sir Ophiuchus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Sir Ophiuchus


    aprecruitment2018@publicjobs.ie


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    #836
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Sir Ophiuchus wrote: »
    aprecruitment2018@publicjobs.ie

    Thanks!


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    #837
    Subutai
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭Subutai


    From PAS's 2017 annual report. Shortlisting attracts a lot of appeals, but few appeals in general, are successful.

    Whether informal review encompasses the definition of appeal used here is unclear.


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    #838
    Sir Ophiuchus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Sir Ophiuchus


    Subutai wrote: »
    From PAS's 2017 annual report. Shortlisting attracts a lot of appeals, but few appeals in general, are successful.

    Whether informal review encompasses the definition of appeal used here is unclear.

    About 4% upheld (3/68) at shortlisting stage. Worth trying, I guess.

    Just feel very beaten down. Three APs looked at my form and told me I had a great chance, and I've see the forms two of them used to get promoted. Mine was frankly better than at least one of those, and he admitted it.

    I managed my AP's role for 6 months when she left and wasn't replaced. I coordinate a bunch of projects with loads of stakeholders at EU and UNESCO level, and am in sole charge of a national project.

    If I can't even get an interview, is there any point even trying to advance? It's not like I'm ever gonna get to manage staff as an AO in this Department anyway, and it's so much fun being treated as lesser than the HEOs and paid far less.

    /rant


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    #839
    RiseToMe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭RiseToMe


    Sir Ophiuchus wrote: »
    About 4% upheld (3/68) at shortlisting stage. Worth trying, I guess.

    Just feel very beaten down. Three APs looked at my form and told me I had a great chance, and I've see the forms two of them used to get promoted. Mine was frankly better than at least one of those, and he admitted it.

    I managed my AP's role for 6 months when she left and wasn't replaced. I coordinate a bunch of projects with loads of stakeholders at EU and UNESCO level, and am in sole charge of a national project.

    If I can't even get an interview, is there any point even trying to advance? It's not like I'm ever gonna get to manage staff as an AO in this Department anyway, and it's so much fun being treated as lesser than the HEOs and paid far less.

    /rant


    Right there with you, I had two POs look at my form and tell me where it flesh it out and where to cut it back and discussed career to date with me at length highlighting areas I should cover or pointing out where I overlooked a really good example. Both of them were extremely confident on the strength of my form and both are confused as to why I have been pulled.

    Contemplating an appeal but the chances of overturn are so slim and then it's just straight into more tests anyway.


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    #840
    Sir Ophiuchus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Sir Ophiuchus


    RiseToMe wrote: »
    Contemplating an appeal but the chances of overturn are so slim and then it's just straight into more tests anyway.

    I say **** it, send 'em an email anyway. Can't make the situation worse for you.

    By the way, in the midst of my moaning: genuine congrats and good wishes to the folk who got through! I don't want to come across as a begrudger.


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    #841
    Subutai
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭Subutai


    Sir Ophiuchus wrote: »
    About 4% upheld (3/68) at shortlisting stage. Worth trying, I guess.

    Just feel very beaten down. Three APs looked at my form and told me I had a great chance, and I've see the forms two of them used to get promoted. Mine was frankly better than at least one of those, and he admitted it.

    I managed my AP's role for 6 months when she left and wasn't replaced. I coordinate a bunch of projects with loads of stakeholders at EU and UNESCO level, and am in sole charge of a national project.

    If I can't even get an interview, is there any point even trying to advance? It's not like I'm ever gonna get to manage staff as an AO in this Department anyway, and it's so much fun being treated as lesser than the HEOs and paid far less.

    /rant

    I wonder if decisions overturned "informally" would make it into PAS's annual report. I doubt it.

    For those unsuccessful it's absolutely worth a try. There was also significant upset regarding the use of shortlisting at the HEO competition. When panels are so long, and the assessment criteria used fairly vague, people will understandably feel hard done by if they don't think their experience was given a fair hearing.

    I know there are a few managers here who are very surprised that their staff did not make the cut, having looked over their forms with an eye on the AP competency framework.


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