Will the Lefty Loons protest at the Swiss consulate?

Pkiernan

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45232147

Evil racist Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim couple...

riffmongous

Did someone forget to take his super male vitality pills this morning?

Collie D

Are you looking to be offended by people looking to be offended..or not in this case?

Fighting Tao

Have they stopped making Swiss cheese?

ricero

About time they are taught some manners

Pkiernan

Collie D wrote: »

Are you looking to be offended by people looking to be offended..or not in this case?

Just wondering when my far left comrades will take a stand against institutional racism

Collie D

Pkiernan wrote: »

Just wondering when my far left comrades will take a stand against institutional racism

Why? You'd complain if they did. Nobody's protesting so you should be happy. Go enjoy your weekend.

no.8

Pkiernan wrote:

Evil racist Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim couple...

Great job once again Switzerland. A model nation

arybvtcw0eolkf

I like the Swiss and their flag is a big plus.

DontThankMe

From my reading of the article it was a perfectly reasonable decision. If they don't want to integrate into society then they shouldn't be granted citizenship and it's not as if what they were being asked to do to gain citizenship was crazy or ridiculous.

Hitman3000

Pkiernan wrote:

Just wondering when my far left comrades will take a stand against institutional racism

We are behind you brother/sister or whatever you identify as. You start the protest I'll bring the Tae.

Charlie19

I lost all respect for the swiss when they reduced the size of the toblerone.

pjohnson

Hitman3000 wrote: »

We are behind you brother/sister or whatever you identify as. You start the protest I'll bring the Tae.

Far too much effort. Hes in charge of keyboard counter protest. Not the initial protest.

thebull85

More of this needed, hopefully some more European countries grow a pair of boll#x.

DEFTLEFTHAND

How do they survive outside the EU?

I thought it would a barren post apocalytic waste land._..

TheValeyard

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I thought it would a barren post apocalytic waste land._..

Gatling

Love Switzerland ,

Stunning scenery ,

Great beers,

And Sig firearms

McMurphy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

How do they survive outside the EU?

I thought it would a barren post apocalytic waste land._..

Prob something to do with a shįte load of EU cash swilling around their bank vaults.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Gatling wrote: »

Love Switzerland ,

Stunning scenery ,

Great beers,

And Sig firearms

I love that they sit in the middle of mainland Europe, minding their own business, stinking rich with a massive military & giving everyone the middle finger.

Not only that, but if you arrive looking for asylum they take all your money from you and if you're ever allowed work then taxi you an additional refugee tax

riffmongous

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

How do they survive outside the EU?

I thought it would a barren post apocalytic waste land._..

Nazi gold, Jewish art, shadowy money from all over the world

Roger Hassenforder

"The constitution and equality between men and women prevails over bigotry," said Pierre-Antoine Hilbrand, who was part of the commission that interviewed the couple."

How does a lefty wrap their head around that?
Condemn the Swiss decision condones bigotry.
Brilliant.

Guy:Incognito

Charlie19 wrote: »

I lost all respect for the swiss when they reduced the size of the toblerone.

I agree. The whole Nazi gold thing was out of order but they went way over the line with the tobelerone

Roger Hassenforder

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I agree. The whole Nazi gold thing was out of order but they went way over the line with the tobelerone

and they've slowly putting more holes in their cheese.
5% year on year
Soon, it'll be a cheese smelling bubble

Gatling

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

but they went way over the line with the tobelerone

They fixed the Toblerone , but made it more expensive

TomOnBoard

Charlie19 wrote: »

I lost all respect for the swiss when they reduced the size of the toblerone.

Yeah, aaand when they made the Family Robinson leave... That was when the rot set in...

Capt'n Midnight

Charlie19 wrote: »

I lost all respect for the swiss when they reduced the size of the toblerone.

That and scamming Zambia out the proceeds of the entire copper mining industry.

B0jangles

Charlie19 wrote: »

I lost all respect for the swiss when they reduced the size of the toblerone.

Don't fret, there's a fix for that:

Giraffe Box

As the character Harry Lime - played by Orson Welles - said in the film 'The Third Man':
''Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance.
In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The Cuckoo Clock, the Swiss Army Knife, The Toblerone....oh, and a thread on Boards.ie.''

keith_sixteen

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

How do they survive outside the EU?

I thought it would a barren post apocalytic waste land._..

The thing is, they didn't spend years inside the EU in the first place.

In any case, this is completely the right decision. The Swiss have some good values and it is a brilliant country. They don't expect you to become a fully fledged, cheese making yodeller ffs.

Collie D

Giraffe Box wrote: »

As the character Harry Lime - played by Orson Welles - said in the film 'The Third Man':
''Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance.
In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The Cuckoo Clock, the Swiss Army Knife, The Toblerone....oh, and a thread on Boards.ie.''

And the cuckoo clock is actually German

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pkiernan wrote: »

Just wondering when my far left comrades will take a stand against institutional racism

Why don't you do it yourself if you're that bothered?

People get denied citizenship all over the world from all different countries and by various different countries on a regular basis. What's so specific about this case you want people to protest?

KathleenGrant

I am terrible at funny posts so will just act as if this is not after hours and comment sensibly.

Well done to the Swiss for their stance on this. If they want citizenship it should mean they admire Swiss laws and customs and will abide by them. If they love Muslim customs that much **** off back to your Muslim country and live there.

(Might have switched to After Hours mode accidentally)


Switched out of it now and worrying about being banned. I don't take rejection well.

Well done Switzerland. A simple and effective measure to weed out people who have no place in a civilised western society. People like that will never integrate so you’re better off without them. Good riddance.

RobertKK

If you can't shake hands with someone because they are the opposite sex, there is no place for you in any European country. The Swiss got this right.

In Sweden, a Muslim muslim woman won compensation because she was not hired after she refused to shake hands with the employer.
This was crazy, we live in a society where men and women shake hands and it is cultural and has been for centuries. If people come and refuse to shake hands because of the sex of someone they really should go back to the backward country or place they belong to.
They come to Europe for a better life, a better life also means embracing local customs and cultural traits - that is how people integrate.
Not shaking hands says they don't want to and have no intention to integrate - goodbye.

dxhound2005

Collie D wrote: »

And the cuckoo clock is actually German

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

If you can't shake hands with someone because they are the opposite sex, there is no place for you in any European country. The Swiss got this right.

In Sweden, a Muslim muslim woman won compensation because she was not hired after she refused to shake hands with the employer.
This was crazy, we live in a society where men and women shake hands and it is cultural and has been for centuries. If people come and refuse to shake hands because of the sex of someone they really should go back to the backward country or place they belong to.
They come to Europe for a better life, a better life also means embracing local customs and cultural traits - that is how people integrate.
Not shaking hands says they don't want to and have no intention to integrate - goodbye.

No time for Hassidic or Orthodox Jews?
Certain sects of Protestants eschew contact between men and women.

Or is it just those mussys that are the problem?

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

No time for Hassidic or Orthodox Jews?
Certain sects of Protestants eschew contact between men and women.

Or is it just those mussys that are the problem?

It is anyone who doesn't want to integrate into society. If a person comes to Europe and it doesn't matter what race. religion or any other thing, if they can't shake hands because the person is the opposite sex, they have serious issues and should be told they are not wanted, they don't belong.
If I chose to move to a country with a different culture to my own, I would need to respect local customs and law, I would not be above the people of the country simply because I come from a different culture.

Sofiztikated

RobertKK wrote: »

It is anyone who doesn't want to integrate into society. If a person comes to Europe and it doesn't matter what race. religion or any other thing, if they can't shake hands because the person is the opposite sex, they have serious issues and should be told they are not wanted, they don't belong.
If I chose to move to a country with a different culture to my own, I would need to respect local customs and law, I would not be above the people of the country simply because I come from a different culture.

I must tell my family members that are of strange Protestant variety, that are born and bred in Ireland for generations that they aren't wanted by a Kilkenny man. They'll be delighted.

RobertKK

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I must tell my family members that are of strange Protestant variety, that are born and bred in Ireland for generations that they aren't wanted by a Kilkenny man. They'll be delighted.

If they can't shake hands because of the sex of someone, you should tell them it is backward, it is what most people would think whether they liked it or not.

Conall Cernach

Let's not forget that Switzerland also initially refused citizenship to a vegan woman who had lived there since the age of 8 and had 2 Swiss born children and a Swiss husband. She regularly protested against the dairy and meat industries and so the locals were upset and apparently it is up to the local communes whether citizenship is granted. The decision was overturned later though.

Grayson

RobertKK wrote: »

If you can't shake hands with someone because they are the opposite sex, there is no place for you in any European country. The Swiss got this right.

In Sweden, a Muslim muslim woman won compensation because she was not hired after she refused to shake hands with the employer.
This was crazy, we live in a society where men and women shake hands and it is cultural and has been for centuries. If people come and refuse to shake hands because of the sex of someone they really should go back to the backward country or place they belong to.
They come to Europe for a better life, a better life also means embracing local customs and cultural traits - that is how people integrate.
Not shaking hands says they don't want to and have no intention to integrate - goodbye.

Does it hurt anyone though? If I refuse to shake hands with you because I'm a germaphobe does that make your life any worse off?

I can understand refusing someone because their beliefs pose a physical risk to others, say if they believe in human sacrifice, but this doesn't hurt anyone. It just caused some discomfort for the person.


And I know it's a slippery slope argument but I do wonder where it ends. We're essentially refusing someone because of non harmful thoughts. Do we start removing citizenship's from people who have "bad" thoughts? Do we have a long list of what is acceptable social behaviour and what isn't?

I'm sure that there are people who support the decision the swiss made but would be horrified if moves were made to silence the likes of Tommy Robinson. Not shaking hands with the opposite sex is bad and shouldn't be allowed. However marching with nazi's is ok?

If we have one "european value" it's freedom of expression and freedom from oppression. People should be free to live their lives as they want so long as it doesn't harm others. That's why we allow nazi's to march, we allow pro lifers to protest with their foetus posters and we allow the loony left to protest too. We have atheists, Christians, Jews and Muslims all in the same country. For any one person you can find, you'll find someone who holds the opposite opinions and beliefs that the first person finds distasteful.

It wasn't shown that these people pose any danger all that was shown was that they didn't fit in with social norms. And a lot of people don't.



As a side note, Switzerland was the last place in western Europe to grant suffrage to all women, that was in 1990 when they were forced to by the courts.

Grayson

RobertKK wrote: »

If they can't shake hands because of the sex of someone, you should tell them it is backward, it is what most people would think whether they liked it or not.

If they believe same sex marriage is wrong, or homosexuality is wrong or abortion, should they be told they are backwards. Most people in Ireland believe they are backwards ideas. We have the stats from referendums to prove it.

Grayson

Grayson wrote: »

Does it hurt anyone though? If I refuse to shake hands with you because I'm a germaphobe does that make your life any worse off?

I can understand refusing someone because their beliefs pose a physical risk to others, say if they believe in human sacrifice, but this doesn't hurt anyone. It just caused some discomfort for the person.


And I know it's a slippery slope argument but I do wonder where it ends. We're essentially refusing someone because of non harmful thoughts. Do we start removing citizenship's from people who have "bad" thoughts? Do we have a long list of what is acceptable social behaviour and what isn't?

I'm sure that there are people who support the decision the swiss made but would be horrified if moves were made to silence the likes of Tommy Robinson. Not shaking hands with the opposite sex is bad and shouldn't be allowed. However marching with nazi's is ok?

If we have one "european value" it's freedom of expression and freedom from oppression. People should be free to live their lives as they want so long as it doesn't harm others. That's why we allow nazi's to march, we allow pro lifers to protest with their foetus posters and we allow the loony left to protest too. We have atheists, Christians, Jews and Muslims all in the same country. For any one person you can find, you'll find someone who holds the opposite opinions and beliefs that the first person finds distasteful.

It wasn't shown that these people pose any danger all that was shown was that they didn't fit in with social norms. And a lot of people don't.



As a side note, Switzerland was the last place in western Europe to grant suffrage to all women, that was in 1990 when they were forced to by the courts.

Blether, blether, blether.

If it’s such an innocuous matter, why didn’t the two applicants just shake hands?

It’s a deeply seated incompatibility with the common social mores and practices expected from courteous people in their host nation. Feck them. And anyone else who won’t shake hands with someone because of the teachings of their faith.

As for Sophistimicatedcatman: Why don’t you ask your protestant family exactly what they think of someone who refuses to shake their hand? We already know their answer. Go on then, ask them, for the craic.

RobertKK

Grayson wrote: »

Does it hurt anyone though? If I refuse to shake hands with you because I'm a germaphobe does that make your life any worse off?

I can understand refusing someone because their beliefs pose a physical risk to others, say if they believe in human sacrifice, but this doesn't hurt anyone. It just caused some discomfort for the person.


And I know it's a slippery slope argument but I do wonder where it ends. We're essentially refusing someone because of non harmful thoughts. Do we start removing citizenship's from people who have "bad" thoughts? Do we have a long list of what is acceptable social behaviour and what isn't?

I'm sure that there are people who support the decision the swiss made but would be horrified if moves were made to silence the likes of Tommy Robinson. Not shaking hands with the opposite sex is bad and shouldn't be allowed. However marching with nazi's is ok?

If we have one "european value" it's freedom of expression and freedom from oppression. People should be free to live their lives as they want so long as it doesn't harm others. That's why we allow nazi's to march, we allow pro lifers to protest with their foetus posters and we allow the loony left to protest too. We have atheists, Christians, Jews and Muslims all in the same country. For any one person you can find, you'll find someone who holds the opposite opinions and beliefs that the first person finds distasteful.

It wasn't shown that these people pose any danger all that was shown was that they didn't fit in with social norms. And a lot of people don't.



As a side note, Switzerland was the last place in western Europe to grant suffrage to all women, that was in 1990 when they were forced to by the courts.

A lack of integration by migrants from outside Europe is causing serious problems for Europe.
It is leading to the rise of far right wing parties which is hardly a good thing, this is due to the usual ruling parties in various countries having lost the run of themselves by wanting to be inclusive towards people who don't want to be inclusive themselves.
People are getting increasingly fed up of such people coming to Europe, and it is having a negative impact, apart from the rise of far right parties, it contributed to Brexit.

RobertKK

Grayson wrote: »

If they believe same sex marriage is wrong, or homosexuality is wrong or abortion, should they be told they are backwards. Most people in Ireland believe they are backwards ideas. We have the stats from referendums to prove it.

Most people believe in the democratic process and accept the outcome of the various votes.

RustyNut

RobertKK wrote: »

Most people believe in the democratic process and accept the outcome of the various votes.

And the judicial process?

The Backwards Man

People who aren't welcome in Europe:

1) Muzzies

2) Mike Pence

Graces7

RobertKK wrote: »

Most people believe in the democratic process and accept the outcome of the various votes.

depends what you mean by "accept". and no. a vote does not make something that is inherently wrong, right.

Graces7

RobertKK wrote: »

A lack of integration by migrants from outside Europe is causing serious problems for Europe.
It is leading to the rise of far right wing parties which is hardly a good thing, this is due to the usual ruling parties in various countries having lost the run of themselves by wanting to be inclusive towards people who don't want to be inclusive themselves.
People are getting increasingly fed up of such people coming to Europe, and it is having a negative impact, apart from the rise of far right parties, it contributed to Brexit.

so you call being expected to do something that is inherently wrong to you? and you seek homogeneity as integration? so not conforming in something as stupid as a handshake?

Grayson

JayZeus wrote: »

Blether, blether, blether.

If it’s such an innocuous matter, why didn’t the two applicants just shake hands?

It’s a deeply seated incompatibility with the common social mores and practices expected from courteous people in their host nation. Feck them. And anyone else who won’t shake hands with someone because of the teachings of their faith.

As for Sophistimicatedcatman: Why don’t you ask your protestant family exactly what they think of someone who refuses to shake their hand? We already know their answer. Go on then, ask them, for the craic.

So you're actually ignoring the point of my post. To be fair I wasn't actually expecting anyone to engage in a discussion about the implications of this and how it could affect others.

KathleenGrant

Graces7 wrote: »

so you call being expected to do something that is inherently wrong to you? and you seek homogeneity as integration? so not conforming in something as stupid as a handshake?

It's not just a handshake. It's symbolic of rejecting the accepted customs and norms of the country you wish to be a citizen of