Illegal Migrants not welcome in Latin America

markodaly

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45237368

Seems that things are kicking off in Ecuador and Brazil when it's coming to illegal migrants from Venezuela.

Should the world condemn this act, or is it only Western powers that have to grovel at the feet of the looney left?

Ecuador has brought in new rules to stop Venezuelan migrants entering the country without a passport, leaving many stranded in neighbouring Colombia.

Thousands of Venezuelans fleeing their country's economic and political crisis have been crossing into Ecuador from Colombia using only identity cards.

Most are heading south to join family members in Peru and Chile.

Colombia has protested against the move, saying vulnerable people will be trapped on its side of the border.

In a separate incident, residents of a Brazilian town attacked a Venezuelan migrant camp on Saturday and drove the occupants back across the border.

NIMAN

Are they illegal immigrants or undocumented?

RobbingBandit

Don't see America mentioned let's put on the old glasses nope nope NOPE

I THOUGHT THIS WAS (ABOUT) AMERICA

Hey Batdad I didn't hear no America

wirelessdude01

What has this got to do with America?

The Backwards Man

Cool.

If there's one thing AH was lacking, it was an immigration thread started by a 'centrist' poster.

looksee

markodaly wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45237368

Seems that things are kicking off in Ecuador and Brazil when it's coming to illegal migrants from Venezuela.

Should the world condemn this act, or is it only Western powers that have to grovel at the feet of the looney left?

So there is no agenda here?

shakeitoff

When people can't grasp that America just isn't the USA.

Collie D

I'm not sure whether the OP is for or against the left, the right, immigration, some South American countries, the US or what?

Grayson

markodaly wrote: »

Should the world condemn this act, or is it only Western powers that have to grovel at the feet of the looney left?

Go back to reading the mail on Sunday.



On the actual topic though...
What's happening in venezula is horrific. There's a small cabal of politicians who are holding onto power and it's a de facto dictatorship that's now running the most corrupt country in south america. I can see why people are leaving, most have trouble getting basic foods and medicines.

Long term I'm not sure what can be done. Short of military intervention there's no way to remove him from power and sanctions would just hurt the people even more.
Short term there should be more aid for the refugees.

As for what caused this mess, here's a good article by the atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/venezuela-populism-fail/525321/

dudara

Ecuador etc are part of the Americas. It’s a bit misleading, but not wrong

Fann Linn

shakeitoff wrote: »

When people can't grasp that America just isn't the USA.

Sorta like when we're included in the British Isles. Upsets some folk.

suicide_circus

Dame tu mano
y venga conmigo
Vamonos al viaje para
buscarlos sonidos magicos
?de Ecuador!
?Ecuador!

Twenty Grand

shakeitoff wrote: »

When people can't grasp that America just isn't the USA.

The US is almost universally know as America.
Even a map wouldn't refer to South America as America.

Op was just after the clickbait title.

pleas advice

South American, most likely

OldMrBrennan83

Stupid title.

Pkiernan

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Don't see America mentioned let's put on the old glasses nope nope NOPE

I THOUGHT THIS WAS (ABOUT) AMERICA

Hey Batdad I didn't hear no America

Ecuador is part of America.

You might be one of those silly folks who thinks that America means just the USA.

RobbingBandit

shakeitoff wrote: »

When people can't grasp that America just isn't the USA.

Yes it is colloquial use of the term America or American is solely used to describe inhabitants of The United States of America the area the article references is colloquially referred to as South America with the inhabitants being South American while North American is a recognised term that incorporates Canada too however the term America or American is only for the USA, learning is fun. 😊

OldMrBrennan83

Pkiernan wrote: »

Ecuador is part of America.

You might be one of those silly folks who thinks that America means just the USA.

Nobody would start a thread about an article saying immigrants weren't welcome in Portugal with the title 'immigrants not welcome in Europe'.

It's purely to mislead.

pleas advice

Build the Wall!

Pkiernan

Good to see that Trumpy's sensible policies are spreading...and since they're not objecting we can assume that the crazed Irish left are all for it!

AWESOME!

dxhound2005

I see Latin America in the link.

There is North America, Central America and South America. Also a lot of islands in the vicinity. Some people may not know that Mexico is in North America. Latin America is Spanish speaking countries, which would include Mexico and Cuba.

I'm not sure about Brazil.

Collie D

Pkiernan wrote: »

Ecuador is part of America.

You might be one of those silly folks who thinks that America means just the USA.

In normal everyday discussion it does. When referring to the continents most people say North/South America or the Americas.

There is nothing silly about presuming the term "America" refers to the US as this is pretty much the accepted norm.

Pkiernan

Patww79 wrote: »

Nobody would start a thread about an article saying immigrants weren't welcome in Portugal with the title 'immigrants not welcome in Europe'.

It's purely to mislead.

I'll see you protesting the Ecuadorian Consulate tonight then? Or doesn't it fit you far left agenda?

pleas advice

Can they not go through Peru? Or Brazil, go the other side of the Andes

OldMrBrennan83

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'll see you protesting the Ecuadorian Consulate tonight then? Or doesn't it fit you far left agenda?

I couldn't give a **** about who's let in where so long as it's not here really. I was just pointing out the ridiculous misleading thread title.

Collie D

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'll see you protesting the Ecuadorian Consulate tonight then? Or doesn't it fit you far left agenda?

I don't want to judge the poster you've quoted but I don't recall him ever posting anything that seemed left wing.

You've a serious case of "reds under the beds" syndrome.

OldMrBrennan83

Collie D wrote: »

I don't want to judge the poster you've quoted but I don't recall him ever posting anything that seemed left wing.

You've a serious case of "reds under the beds" syndrome.

I hadn't even noticed the left remark. Me left, Jesus

Grayson

Collie D wrote: »

I don't want to judge the poster you've quoted but I don't recall him ever posting anything that seemed left wing.

You've a serious case of "reds under the beds" syndrome.

And the poster you're quoting also started a thread about the "loony left" protesting outside the swiss embassy.

The guy has a limited vocabulary and a limited imagination.

Twenty Grand

Pkiernan wrote: »

Ecuador is part of America.

You might be one of those silly folks who thinks that America means just the USA.

No it's not.

Ecuador is on the Americas, which comprise, North, South and Central America.

There is no one single homogenous America.

Franz Von Peppercorn

shakeitoff wrote: »

When people can't grasp that America just isn't the USA.

I know, right.

I knew the education system had been dumbed down but yet...

dxhound2005

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I know, right.

I knew the education system had been dumbed down but yet...

It could be 70 years since they were in school.

Ulysses Gaze

But wasn't Venezuela this model Socialist Utopia that the likes of Corbyn kept rabbiting on about for years?

Well lets see...Mass Starvation....Death squads...mass corruption.

Yes, seems like a model Socialist state all right.

Twenty Grand

Bootlegger wrote: »

1 US dollar currently gets you 248,409.00 Venezuelan Bolívar.

Behold the awesome power of socialism!

But what can you do with it?
Insulate your house?

RobbingBandit

€1 equals 284391.66 anyone else feel like going on holiday to a communist dictatorship.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

But wasn't Venezuela this model Socialist Utopia that the likes of Corbyn kept rabbiting on about for years?

Well lets see...Mass Starvation....Death squads...mass corruption.

Yes, seems like a model Socialist state all right.

It’s no more socialist than Norway which is doing fine.

I bet there’s a lot more to that story. US sanctions for instance.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Twenty Grand wrote: »

No it's not.

Ecuador is on the Americas, which comprise, North, South and Central America.

There is no one single homogenous America.

So it’s part of the Americas but not America?

Ok.

Niles Crane

Fann Linn wrote: »

Sorta like when we're included in the British Isles. Upsets some folk.

Not really.

America refers to the entire landmass encompassing North America,Central American and South America.

We are not part of the British Isles anymore.Great Britain and Ireland tends to be accepted as the correct term for us and the uk.

padd b1975

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

But wasn't Venezuela this model Socialist Utopia that the likes of Corbyn kept rabbiting on about for years?

Well lets see...Mass Starvation....Death squads...mass corruption.

Yes, seems like a model Socialist state all right.

It wasn't the right type of socialism don't you know.

Taytoland

If I build a garden fence I don't want people jumping into my garden over it without my permission. Most rational people would agree with that. It's the same with illegal immigration. It's a crime.

pleas advice

Niles Crane wrote: »

We are not part of the British Isles anymore.Great Britain and Ireland tends to be accepted as the correct term for us and the uk.

ah but we are though,

Ulysses Gaze

padd b1975 wrote: »

It wasn't the right type of socialism don't you know.

It never is though....

Twenty Grand

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

So it’s part of the Americas but not America?

Ok.

Yes.

When Tony Montana said "In America, first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman" he wasn't talking about Ecuador.

Edit: I may be mixing up Scarface and the Simpsons but you get the gist

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

No yokes today sorry.

Star Bingo

They’re fleeing a country where you could get chopped up for fun into a country where you could get chopped up for fun. Where’s the refuge in that?

OneEightSeven

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s no more socialist than Norway which is doing fine.

This isn't true at all. Norway is the 23rd-most capitalistic country in the world, while Venezuela is the second-most socialistic country in the world, according to the Economic Freedom Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom


You're conflating social democracy with socialism. Socialism is where the means of production is owned by the state and while Venezuelaisn't fully socialist, it's still a hell of a lot more socialist than Norway.

_Kaiser_

Twenty Grand wrote: »

The US is almost universally know as America.
Even a map wouldn't refer to South America as America.

Op was just after the clickbait title.

Seriously?

I thought some of the responses were just AH banter, but are posters here really saying they've never heard of Latin America??

Do we not teach geography and history in school anymore?

Failing that, you'd think all those hours watching the likes of Narcos might have helped.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Twenty Grand wrote: »

The US is almost universally know as America.
Even a map wouldn't refer to South America as America.

Op was just after the clickbait title.

It would outside the Anglosphere.

Patww79 wrote: »

Nobody would start a thread about an article saying immigrants weren't welcome in Portugal with the title 'immigrants not welcome in Europe'.

It's purely to mislead.

They would if it involved several European countries. And this case involves several American countries.

Anyway, I'm in Bogota where there are a huge number of Venezuelan refugees. It's the biggest influx into Colombia since colonial times and the country is ill-equpped to handle it. The level of xenophobia is disgusting though. It's especially hypocritical because huge numbers of Colombians fled to Venezuela during the worst years of civil war but most aren't keen on returning the favour.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Failing that, you'd think all those hours watching the likes of Narcos might have helped.

The last time I was back in Ireland I realised that despite having watched hours of a show set here, most people had learned absolutely nothing from it.

"So do they speak Spanish or Portuguese in Colombia?"

"It must be really hot in Bogota"

JohnMc1

Pkiernan wrote: »

Good to see that Trumpy's sensible policies are spreading...and since they're not objecting we can assume that the crazed Irish left are all for it!

AWESOME!

Venezuela has been having problems well before Trump became President.

Twenty Grand

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Seriously?

I thought some of the responses were just AH banter, but are posters here really saying they've never heard of Latin America??

Do we not teach geography and history in school anymore?

Failing that, you'd think all those hours watching the likes of Narcos might have helped.

Thread title was updated to include the word “Latin” to make it clearer.

kuntboy

Grayson wrote: »

Go back to reading the mail on Sunday.



On the actual topic though...
What's happening in venezula is horrific. There's a small cabal of politicians who are holding onto power and it's a de facto dictatorship that's now running the most corrupt country in south america. I can see why people are leaving, most have trouble getting basic foods and medicines.

Long term I'm not sure what can be done. Short of military intervention there's no way to remove him from power and sanctions would just hurt the people even more.
Short term there should be more aid for the refugees.

As for what caused this mess, here's a good article by the atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/venezuela-populism-fail/525321/

Typical loony liberal lefty luvie smearing anyone who dares believe in borders. That name calling doesn't work anymore. How many illegal false asylum seeking welfare migrant demographic invader white replacements radicals have you lodged in your bedroom? Zero? Thought so. Perhaps you can personally set up an NGO there to ferry them here then you can win the virtue signalling Olympics and smug all over everyone.