Tyrone Boycott of RTE Continuing Through Final

Patrick2010

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

I don't know why sectarians keep bashing Harte over his religious beliefs. I admire Harte's strong faith and the admirable way he handled his daughter's death. His falling out with RTE has nothing to do with God or bibles; it has to do with the fact that some clowns in said RTE thought it would be a good idea to play a mocking song about a 'wee girl from Omagh' shortly after his daughter's tragic death

As explained previously his RTE boycott started BEFORE the sketch when RTE didn't reply satisfactorily to the letter asking for Brian Carthy to be given more commentary games.

DickSwiveller Returns

Patrick2010 wrote: »

As explained previously his RTE boycott started BEFORE the sketch when RTE didn't reply satisfactorily to the letter asking for Brian Carthy to be given more commentary games.

Yes but it was compounded by the sketch

FrancieBrady

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

I don't know why sectarians keep bashing Harte over his religious beliefs. I admire Harte's strong faith and the admirable way he handled his daughter's death. His falling out with RTE has nothing to do with God or bibles; it has to do with the fact that some clowns in said RTE thought it would be a good idea to play a mocking song about a 'wee girl from Omagh' shortly after his daughter's tragic death

His daughter was not 'from Omagh'.
The song was played because it is synonymous with 'Tyrone'.

Harte 'took' offence. there was no offence to his daughter intended.

doc_17

Harte is like many managers in some respect he’ll do what he thinks he needs to to get ahead. But Sky pulled him on his lying, not often I’d praise sky but well done on this instance. He was dishonest.

But where I really dislike his actions is when it comes to his attempts to get men sent off in matches. The diving and exaggerating of fouls is now being focused on a lot more. And that’s a good thing because THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED INTO FOOTBALL AND MUST BE STOPPED NOW. Again, a dishonest way of sending your team out to play.

Targeting of individuals is another aspect of Tyrone’s behaviour. It’s prevalent through all levels of their county structure. An opposition minor player was constantly reminded that his, well I’m not going into it. Most will know what I’m talking about.

I have no love for any team dominating football. But I hope it continues for this year anyway. Good luck Dublin.

mfceiling

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

They don't even retire from sledging either, that vile Eoin Mulligan making Londonderry jokes recently on twitter, the man from the plantation town of Cookstown, I made sure to put him in his place.

I'm sure he's badly annoyed at what a stranger on twitter says alright.

DickSwiveller Returns

doc_17 wrote: »

Harte is like many managers in some respect he’ll do what he thinks he needs to to get ahead. But Sky pulled him on his lying, not often I’d praise sky but well done on this instance. He was dishonest.

But where I really dislike his actions is when it comes to his attempts to get men sent off in matches. The diving and exaggerating of fouls is now being focused on a lot more. And that’s a good thing because THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED INTO FOOTBALL AND MUST BE STOPPED NOW. Again, a dishonest way of sending your team out to play.

Targeting of individuals is another aspect of Tyrone’s behaviour. It’s prevalent through all levels of their county structure. An opposition minor player was constantly reminded that his, well I’m not going into it. Most will know what I’m talking about.

I have no love for any team dominating football. But I hope it continues for this year anyway. Good luck Dublin.

That sort of behaviour is disgusting but it's not unique to Tyrone

tayto lover

Who gives a crap about Up For The Match or RTE's overpaid reporters visiting victory dinners? It's all rubbish broadcasting and filling the pockets of very poor reporters, experts and commentators. I usually watch their coverage with the sound muted to avoid the silly crap from Marty etc.

The Talking Bread

Speakerboxx wrote: »

just because Harte and Tyrone GAA refuses to engage with RTE why the hell do you all want to see Tyrone destroyed? We all know rte television is a load of waffle and they are doing us all of favour by staying away from that cringe up for match programme and rte live at the winners hotel. Who really cares about that nonsense? We all care about the match and who is goin to win it but we can all do without the hype and build-up especially with it involves RTE. Serves no purpose at all.

I think it more that it is one of a long line of things Harte has done to make himself and unlikeable figure.

Personally I'll be shouting for Tyrone as I am a Kildare man with Mayo ties but I can see why others don't like the Tyrone setup which is their perogative.

Saint Sonner

doc_17 wrote: »

Harte is like many managers in some respect he’ll do what he thinks he needs to to get ahead. But Sky pulled him on his lying, not often I’d praise sky but well done on this instance. He was dishonest.

But where I really dislike his actions is when it comes to his attempts to get men sent off in matches. The diving and exaggerating of fouls is now being focused on a lot more. And that’s a good thing because THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED INTO FOOTBALL AND MUST BE STOPPED NOW. Again, a dishonest way of sending your team out to play.

Targeting of individuals is another aspect of Tyrone’s behaviour. It’s prevalent through all levels of their county structure. An opposition minor player was constantly reminded that his, well I’m not going into it. Most will know what I’m talking about.

I have no love for any team dominating football. But I hope it continues for this year anyway. Good luck Dublin.

This was proved to be a false allegation made by Donegal management - who actually put the mental health of a minor from Tyrone at risk due to threats and guff he was getting on Twitter.

Saint Sonner

For whats its worth as Tyrone person I think MH is wrong in how this is being handled. If he's annoyed fair enough don't talk to RTE but let someone else talk players and assistant manager (like Ferguson with BBC)
I'm telling you now a half tight Horse Devlin on the stage at the winners hotel talking to RTE would be worth a viewing!!!!

bruschi

Saint Sonner wrote: »

This was proved to be a false allegation made by Donegal management - who actually put the mental health of a minor from Tyrone at risk due to threats and guff he was getting on Twitter.

was it? have you information made public that no one else has? Because Tyrone claim they were vindicated and published as much and the Ulster council came out with a statement saying "We would also highlight that recent media reports regarding the investigation do not accurately reflect the findings of the Committee." The findings were also kept confidential.

Saint Sonner

The report was not published to save embarrassment of an unsubstantiated allegation that put a minor at risk. If it was proved that allegation took place the player in question would have faced a heavy suspension.
Diabolical stuff from Donegal and in particular Declan Bonner

Bonniedog

I have family from Tipp and they will be supporting Dublin mainly due to the All Ireland under 21 final of a few years back. Normally they are fanatical supporters of anyone playing Dublin!

bruschi

Saint Sonner wrote: »

The report was not published to save embarrassment of an unsubstantiated allegation that put a minor at risk. If it was proved that allegation took place the player in question would have faced a heavy suspension.
Diabolical stuff from Donegal and in particular Declan Bonner

no, you said it was proven that it didnt happen. Tyrone more or less were reporting that too but the Ulster GAA denied that was the case. It may have not been proven it did happen, but unless you are on the council hearing the evidence, you cannot claim that it was proven it was a false claim. Not proving something happened does not mean it didnt happen.

Saint Sonner

But you seem to claim that it did happen? So how do you know?
If it did happen it would have came out. I know the family in question and the torment the lad went through because of Declan Bonners false allegations was horrendous.
Disgusting stuff from Donegal!

blanch152

Saint Sonner wrote: »

But you seem to claim that it did happen? So how do you know?
If it did happen it would have came out. I know the family in question and the torment the lad went through because of Declan Bonners false allegations was horrendous.
Disgusting stuff from Donegal!

Are you claiming that nothing was said by the Tyrone minor?

Or are you claiming that something was said but not what was claimed by Donegal?

ArielAtom

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Because it's Tyrone...  :cool:

And yeah, Up for the Match is like a dose of diarrhea.  The worst thing is it's always on when there's bloody else nothing else on.
Got stuck watching it because I couldn't go out due to heavy rain. There's not enough alcohol in the world to get through it.
That and Grainne was totally out of it during the last one- she was like a mental patient laughing at her own jokes, while everyone else ignored her. (And talking about the 'Dublin v Monaghan All-Ireland Football final'... yeah, might be time to hire someone else, RTE).

Anyways, Harte is climbing up on top of his 'moral high ground' which he condemns others for doing- but yet he continues to allow Cathal McCarron to play (not in this year's All Ireland-he's got a knee injury).

For those not in the know-here's Cathal's list of indiscretions.

1) Gambled away €200 000 of his dad's money due to a gambling addiction.
2) Set up a fake cancer charity in order to dupe his neighbours out of money and feed his addiction. (Harte forgave him)
3) Starred in a gay porn video (this one is important for later) and gambled away the €3000 he earned from that in two days. (Mickey, doesn't the bible forsake prostitution?)
4) Met with a girl on Tinder, who was 15 years old.  Questions remain about their 'meeting'-as the girl underwent an STD and STI test (due to the gay porn Cathal was involved in-the porn industry is still pretty lax when it comes to sexually transmitted diseases), and there was a very awkward interview on newstalk. (she also went on psychiatric drugs, and had multiple breakdowns).  
http://www.the42.ie/cathal-mccarron-tense-interview-off-the-ball-3114914-Dec2016/
5) He was meant to be in a steady relationship-so he possibly cheated on his girlfriend (and mother of his one year old kid) with a minor.
6) Hasn't seen one of his kids in years-the mother has kept them apart (can you blame her?)
7) Cried victim when he was dropped from the Late Late show. He was due on to promote his book, but the teenage girl's father pleaded with RTE not to allow him on the show to promote his book.
8) Cried Victim when he was fined €500 for starting a row in a pub in 2016. He avoided a conviction.

And yet Harte and his God bothery allows this guy to continue to play.  And then blames RTE for making him look bad.

Nope, Harte, you did that all on your own.

I don't know why sectarians keep bashing Harte over his religious beliefs. I admire Harte's strong faith and the admirable way he handled his daughter's death. His falling out with RTE has nothing to do with God or bibles; it has to do with the fact that some clowns in said RTE thought it would be a good idea to play a mocking song about a 'wee girl from Omagh' shortly after his daughter's tragic death

That and being pissed off his mate Brian Carthy was overlooked for the gig he thought he deserved, that came before the sketch. Anyway let Harte off, he has an opinion on a lot of things, a little like an arsehole, everyone has an opinion.

BrianBoru00

Not the greatest Mickey Harte fan but some of the comments are quite unfair.

Billy Mays wrote: »

I wonder does Harte feel he should apologise for giving a character reference for a bloke who sexually assaulted a woman and dumped her on a country road half naked in the middle of the night

You do realise what a character witness is right? He wasn't condoning what happened and he wasn't a party to it. He just gave a reference in regard to how he knew the offender and gave that opinion truthfully.
There are people who knew "Fr." Brendan Smyth and "Fr." Sean Fortune who as kind priests - that doesn't mean they were'nt evil men.

Harte's comments about the quinn's were :

"You know decent people when you meet them. The Quinns are decent people"

Yep that was easy for him to say, it wasn't his taxes or insurance policies that were going to pay for the gambling and greed of the Quinns.

I can't actually recall hearing ANYONE coming out and saying anything negative about the Quinn family and they are highly regarded in their locality with Sean Quinn having done more for the area providing jobs in a wide range of industries than any politician.
And to clarify they invested in Anglo based on the information given to them BY Anglo which were a reputable institution. Calling them greedy is a bit rich and if they're greedy then anyone who makes any investment is greedy.

ProudDUB wrote: »

....As to the Repeal referendum, he was the figurehead of an organisation that tried to associate itself with the GAA as an organisation,....

Yep I think that was wrong and the GAA at National level was quick to disassociate itself with it.

Anyways, Harte is climbing up on top of his 'moral high ground' which he condemns others for doing- but yet he continues to allow Cathal McCarron to play (not in this year's All Ireland-he's got a knee injury).

It's hardly a bad thing to support one of your players. I could refer to some Dublin players (or virtually any other county players) who have done done some very scummy things and yet continued to play with the support of their managers.

But where I really dislike his actions is when it comes to his attempts to get men sent off in matches. The diving and exaggerating of fouls is now being focused on a lot more. And that’s a good thing because THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED INTO FOOTBALL AND MUST BE STOPPED NOW. Again, a dishonest way of sending your team out to play.

There are referees at each game. If the game is not being adequately adujicated then EVERY team is going to take advantage.

Seeing as your shouting up Dublin - I'll refer to the eye gouge by a certain Dublin player on Kieran Donaghy in 2015 final which if correctly adjudicated should have led to 1. a penalty for Kerry in a tight game and 2. a red card for that Dublin player

And last years final when four Mayo players were simultaneously dragged to the ground in the final minute during a Dublin kick out. If that was adjudicated correctly - thats four black cards and at least one free in in a scoreable position and Dublin down to 13 men.


I don't think this should have gotten this far and rte should have had someone up to Ballygawley to smooth it out VERY EARLY on and Mickey is probably being overly sensitive and building a siege mentality but lets not just criticise Tyrone and Harte as though they're the only team and or management being negative

bruschi

Saint Sonner wrote: »

But you seem to claim that it did happen? So how do you know?
If it did happen it would have came out. I know the family in question and the torment the lad went through because of Declan Bonners false allegations was horrendous.
Disgusting stuff from Donegal!

Reading comprehension and understanding seems to be an issue here.

I have not said it happened. I have said that the Ulster council came out and refuted Tyrones claims of saying nothing happened. You claimed the allegations were proved to be false. They werent. Just because something was not proven does not automatically mean it did not happen. It was never proven publicly that something happened. This is in legal terms a verdict of not guilty by means of substantial proof. It does not automatically mean innocence.

I dont know if it did or didnt happen. Only 2 people can answer that question honestly, and neither me nor you are those 2. An allegation was made and there wasnt enough proof to confirm it. Thats what happened. It's pretty clear, and thats all I've said from the start. I'll only be repeating myself further by continuing after this.

doc_17

Saint Sonner wrote: »

This was proved to be a false allegation made by Donegal management - who actually put the mental health of a minor from Tyrone at risk due to threats and guff he was getting on Twitter.

It absolutely was not. Having been at the relevant Co Committee meeting where the findings were discussed I am very content in saying what I said. That is all I will say on it.

Powerhouse

tayto lover wrote: »

Who gives a crap about Up For The Match or RTE's overpaid reporters visiting victory dinners? I usually watch their coverage with the sound muted to avoid the silly crap from Marty etc.

I’d say the victory banquet with the sound turned down must make for a fascinating watch for you.

Powerhouse

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Because it's Tyrone... :cool:

And yeah, Up for the Match is like a dose of diarrhea. The worst thing is it's always on when there's bloody else nothing else on.
Got stuck watching it because I couldn't go out due to heavy rain. There's not enough alcohol in the world to get through it.
That and Grainne was totally out of it during the last one- she was like a mental patient laughing at her own jokes, while everyone else ignored her. (And talking about the 'Dublin v Monaghan All-Ireland Football final'... yeah, might be time to hire someone else, RTE).

Anyways, Harte is climbing up on top of his 'moral high ground' which he condemns others for doing- but yet he continues to allow Cathal McCarron to play (not in this year's All Ireland-he's got a knee injury).

For those not in the know-here's Cathal's list of indiscretions.

1) Gambled away €200 000 of his dad's money due to a gambling addiction.
2) Set up a fake cancer charity in order to dupe his neighbours out of money and feed his addiction. (Harte forgave him)
3) Starred in a gay porn video (this one is important for later) and gambled away the €3000 he earned from that in two days. (Mickey, doesn't the bible forsake prostitution?)
4) Met with a girl on Tinder, who was 15 years old. Questions remain about their 'meeting'-as the girl underwent an STD and STI test (due to the gay porn Cathal was involved in-the porn industry is still pretty lax when it comes to sexually transmitted diseases), and there was a very awkward interview on newstalk. (she also went on psychiatric drugs, and had multiple breakdowns).
http://www.the42.ie/cathal-mccarron-tense-interview-off-the-ball-3114914-Dec2016/
5) He was meant to be in a steady relationship-so he possibly cheated on his girlfriend (and mother of his one year old kid) with a minor.
6) Hasn't seen one of his kids in years-the mother has kept them apart (can you blame her?)
7) Cried victim when he was dropped from the Late Late show. He was due on to promote his book, but the teenage girl's father pleaded with RTE not to allow him on the show to promote his book.
8) Cried Victim when he was fined €500 for starting a row in a pub in 2016. He avoided a conviction.

And yet Harte and his God bothery allows this guy to continue to play. And then blames RTE for making him look bad.

Nope, Harte, you did that all on your own.

So you think that having gay sex and not seeing your kid for years because someone else decrees that you don’t are among the reasons why a player should not be picked for a county team? I think you may be trapped in the wrong generation.

Coillte_Bhoy

Powerhouse wrote: »

I’d say the victory banquet with the sound turned down must make for a fascinating watch for you.

:pac:

Powerhouse

mada82 wrote: »

How long after a close family bereavement is a public figure excempt for “comedy” sketches?

They are not exempt at all. You can show up as they lower the coffin and do your favorite Father Ted sketch if you like. However, you don’t get to decide whether they like it or not! There’s no statute of limitations of personal taste.

The Talking Bread

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Not the greatest Mickey Harte fan but some of the comments are quite unfair.

You do realise what a character witness is right? He wasn't condoning what happened and he wasn't a party to it. He just gave a reference in regard to how he knew the offender and gave that opinion truthfully.
There are people who knew "Fr." Brendan Smyth and "Fr." Sean Fortune who as kind priests - that doesn't mean they were'nt evil men.

I think the point here is that if Harte can find it within himself to drive to court and stand up and give a character reference, a reference he is well aware will aid the accused's sentencing, surely he has the ability to look at the wider picture and acknowledge that there was clearly not intention to offend his daughter with the sketch. It's absurd for him to think this. I think it's obvious he doesn't even buy into any ill intention on the sketch writers behalf and he just uses this as leverage to give him an excuse to continue a standoff with RTE ( a standoff that was well on the way and carefully orchestrated campaign dragging in other managers in the GAA before the sketch went out)


Does anyone really think that the sketch writer had Michaela in their thoughts when writing the sketch.

The man is up his own arse. To think he could pressure RTE into getting his mate a high position shows he knows, or thinks he knows the influence he has in his position

Pogue eile

I personally think its a great thing to be honest, anyday I dont have to listen to a bleeding heart hypocrite is a great feckin day.

He is also very selfishly denying his players the exposure and recognition that they deserve and its not to maximise their chances of winning its to support his own personal gripe with RTE, just refuse to talk to them yourself if thats how you fell but putting a blanket ban on the entire panel and management team is childish at best.

RabbleRouser2k

Powerhouse wrote: »

So you think that having gay sex and not seeing your kid for years because someone else decrees that you don’t are among the reasons why a player should not be picked for a county team? I think you may be trapped in the wrong generation.

Oh God-someone's trying to make out I'm anti-lgbt. He's not gay, he literally did it for the money. Be as gay as you want, just don't be a dumb idiot who films it and then cries victim when it gets onto the internet, where it was due to go.

His ex not wanting him around the kid says a lot, actually. I know plenty of couples who broke up, some break-ups were nasty. Yet they still allowed the kids to stay in touch with the respective spouse.

You ignored the other stuff tho-just selectively ignored it. The breaking the laws and so on.

J Mysterio

The Talking Bread wrote: »

This was completely cynical by Harte and those who used his position in the GAA to garner votes.

"GAA Athletes for No" FFS

EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE:

"The statement that was put out

"The GAA’s vision is that everyone be welcome to participate fully in our games and culture, that they thrive and develop their potential, and be inspired to keep a lifelong engagement with our association.” It goes on to includes lines such as: “We are an inclusive organisation. There is space for everybody at our table.”

All the way through, the statement is littered with ‘we’ and ‘our’ – in reference to the GAA as a whole. When it gets to the meat of the statement, it reads: “In keeping with those principles, we are coming together today to ask the Irish people to vote No on May 25th.”

There is no gear change, no line separating their own personal views from that of the association, nothing like that. To anyone reading the statement, it looks like a declaration of the position of the GAA on the matter."

Obviously the less naive average person wouldn't use this particular event to influence their opinion on the issue but a lot would have.

He done the exact same thing in 2013 in a Northern Ireland campaign to amend their bill on abortion.

I respect his views but not how he conducts himself using his position to influence and attempting to associate the GAA with his beliefs

Whatever about all that, I find it most offensive when children are brought into the campaigning, keep them out of it ffs.

RabbleRouser2k

J Mysterio wrote: »

Whatever about all that, I find it most offensive when children are brought into the campaigning, keep them out of it ffs.

The worst part was when they brought in children with disabilities as well.

Powerhouse

[QUOTE=RabbleRouser2k;1078776026

Oh God-someone's trying to make out I'm anti-lgbt. He's not gay, he literally did it for the money. Be as gay as you want, just don't be a dumb idiot who films it and then cries victim when it gets onto the internet, where it was due to go.

His ex not wanting him around the kid says a lot, actually. I know plenty of couples who broke up, some break-ups were nasty. Yet they still allowed the kids to stay in touch with the respective spouse.

You ignored the other stuff tho-just selectively ignored it. The breaking the laws and so on.

[/QUOTE]

Oh God-someone's trying to make out I'm anti-lgbt. He's not gay, he literally did it for the money. Be as gay as you want, just don't be a dumb idiot who films it and then cries victim when it gets onto the internet, where it was due to go.

You can be pro or anti lgbt for all I care. That's your own business. I can go only on what you write. The question is why do you think someone should not be on an inter-county panel because of something like this?

His ex not wanting him around the kid says a lot, actually. I know plenty of couples who broke up, some break-ups were nasty. Yet they still allowed the kids to stay in touch with the respective spouse.

How do you know it says a lot? This is a keyboard-warrior-in-full-flow moment. You have no idea what his life is like or who he has to deal with. But again the question remains...……….why would you mention this in the context of whether he should be on an inter-county panel or not?

You ignored the other stuff tho-just selectively ignored it. The breaking the laws and so on.

Yes, I chose not to engage with every syllable you wrote. I just don't have the time - I dealt with the more bizarre comments. But if you are allow only players who have no broken the law to play inter-county you'd be marginalising quite a lot of people. Not sure we need such a puritanical approach.

The Talking Bread

Personally I wouldn't want him representing my county. We all have our demons but a gay porn star gambler who preyed on a kid while in a relationship and makes excuses for his behaviour is hardly someone who I would respect or cheer on. Or wish young fans to cheer on.
That's just my view, others are entitled to theirs.
You should respect others opinions on the subject. It's an amateur game and he is representing your county.
I see her is going playing football for Athy now. Hopefully he will never touch a Kildare jersey.

Get all PC if you want but if you can't see why others aren't taken by him, so be it

elefant

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Does anyone really think that the sketch writer had Michaela in their thoughts when writing the sketch.

Incredibly, people do seem to actually believe this. RTE is a festering pit of terrible output, nepotism and money-spunking, but it's hardly an organisation full of depraved, heartless monsters.

I find it very hard to imagine a group of employees sitting in a room plotting to intentionally rip into the memory of a murdered young woman on national radio. I'm surely not being naive in this?

Beechwoodspark

doc_17 wrote: »

Harte is like many managers in some respect he’ll do what he thinks he needs to to get ahead. But Sky pulled him on his lying, not often I’d praise sky but well done on this instance. He was dishonest.

But where I really dislike his actions is when it comes to his attempts to get men sent off in matches. The diving and exaggerating of fouls is now being focused on a lot more. And that’s a good thing because THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED INTO FOOTBALL AND MUST BE STOPPED NOW. Again, a dishonest way of sending your team out to play.

Targeting of individuals is another aspect of Tyrone’s behaviour. It’s prevalent through all levels of their county structure. An opposition minor player was constantly reminded that his, well I’m not going into it. Most will know what I’m talking about.

I have no love for any team dominating football. But I hope it continues for this year anyway. Good luck Dublin.

This post sums up my views on Harte’s management style. He has them playing as cynical and dirty as they come. Up the dubs on final day.

Saint Sonner

bruschi wrote: »

Saint Sonner wrote: »

But you seem to claim that it did happen? So how do you know?
If it did happen it would have came out. I know the family in question and the torment the lad went through because of Declan Bonners false allegations was horrendous.
Disgusting stuff from Donegal!

Reading comprehension and understanding seems to be an issue here.

I have not said it happened. I have said that the Ulster council came out and refuted Tyrones claims of saying nothing happened. You claimed the allegations were proved to be false. They werent. Just because something was not proven does not automatically mean it did not happen. It was never proven publicly that something happened. This is in legal terms a verdict of not guilty by means of substantial proof. It does not automatically mean innocence.

I dont know if it did or didnt happen. Only 2 people can answer that question honestly, and neither me nor you are those 2. An allegation was made and there wasnt enough proof to confirm it. Thats what happened. It's pretty clear, and thats all I've said from the start. I'll only be repeating myself further by continuing after this.

Sorry I may have mixed up posters - it was in reply to doc 17 who was saying that this happened. From the reports I have been privy to the minor involved here did not say what Doc17 has stated above that he did and went through a very difficult time in his life as a young man. Their are two more unfortunate things here:
1. The young man from Donegal who this is alleged to have been subject to unproven abuse did not make the complaint - it was made by Declan Bonner (who in my opinion has alot to answer for putting both lads in this situation but by all reports has a serious issue with Tyrone which may have motivated this).
2. The fact that this is being dragged back up by Doc17 about a minor who was not guilty of anything from Tyrone to have a poke at Tyrone in an All Ireland final is particularly disgusting. 
Support Dublin if you like but please let this lad get on with his life after having his and his families good name dragged through the mud by anonymous posters. Its been 3 years!

LoughNeagh2017

mfceiling wrote: »

I'm sure he's badly annoyed at what a stranger on twitter says alright.

Well he is happy to spout his comments trying to get a reaction from his neighbours isn't he?
I was simply pointing out his hypocrisy, a man from a town formed by an Englishman cracking Londonderry jokes. I am a County Londonderry native but I live in a Gaelic settlement unlike Mr Mulligan and I won't have him cracking his smug little jokes.

NIMAN

If Tyrone win, Rte should refuse to interview MH or any of his players after the game!

Saint Sonner

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Harte is like many managers in some respect he’ll do what he thinks he needs to to get ahead. But Sky pulled him on his lying, not often I’d praise sky but well done on this instance. He was dishonest.

But where I really dislike his actions is when it comes to his attempts to get men sent off in matches. The diving and exaggerating of fouls is now being focused on a lot more. And that’s a good thing because THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED INTO FOOTBALL AND MUST BE STOPPED NOW. Again, a dishonest way of sending your team out to play.

Targeting of individuals is another aspect of Tyrone’s behaviour. It’s prevalent through all levels of their county structure. An opposition minor player was constantly reminded that his, well I’m not going into it. Most will know what I’m talking about.

I have no love for any team dominating football. But I hope it continues for this year anyway. Good luck Dublin.

This post sums up my views on Harte’s management style. He has them playing as cynical and dirty as they come. Up the dubs on final day.

Cycnical as in:
Standing in front of keeper for late kickouts
kicking ball off the tee at the end to prevent a kickout
hauling opponents down at the end to prevent possession being gained
shouting into opponents faces
diving
eye guaging

By the way the above list of things Dublin have done.

PS I understand Tyrone are no angels but lets not get sucked into the Dublin beautiful BS game the media is feeding your small mind!

LoughNeagh2017

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Tyrone tactics

blanch152

Saint Sonner wrote: »

Cycnical as in:
Standing in front of keeper for late kickouts
kicking ball off the tee at the end to prevent a kickout
hauling opponents down at the end to prevent possession being gained
shouting into opponents faces
diving
eye guaging

By the way the above list of things Dublin have done.

PS I understand Tyrone are no angels but lets not get sucked into the Dublin beautiful BS game the media is feeding your small mind!

No great team, and Dublin are a great team, are angels, but there is no doubt that Dublin play the game for the most part in a positive attacking manner and set out to win games by outplaying their opponents. That is their gameplan.

There is no doubt that for some of the other teams, their gameplan consists of how to stop others winning games and that fouling, sledging, blocking runs and pulling and dragging are key parts of their gameplan. A negative mindset.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

No great team, and Dublin are a great team, are angels, but there is no doubt that Dublin play the game for the most part in a positive attacking manner and set out to win games by outplaying their opponents. That is their gameplan.

There is no doubt that for some of the other teams, their gameplan consists of how to stop others winning games and that fouling, sledging, blocking runs and pulling and dragging are key parts of their gameplan. A negative mindset.

There has never been a team in GAA that don't use negative and positive tactics to win a game.
The only reason Dublin are no currently thought of as mainly negative is because they are better than most other teams. Whenever we see them pushed close they are as negative as any other. The Mayo game being the prime example.

LoughNeagh2017

I think I was a bit hard on Mulligan you know, I sent him that photo on twitter and he replied saying that Eamonn Coleman had it up on the wall when he went to his wake, I've had that cutting since 2001

RabbleRouser2k

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There has never been a team in GAA that don't use negative and positive tactics to win a game.
The only reason Dublin are no currently thought of as mainly negative is because they are better than most other teams. Whenever we see them pushed close they are as negative as any other. The Mayo game being the prime example.

There's a lot of 'thuggery' in football, yet when Dublin do it, or Tyrone, it's rarely called out.
I think Diarmuid Connolly has been one of the few Dublin players to get called out on his bad behaviour. But that's more for his off the pitch actions than his on the field actions.
When he continually left the team a player down, due to his being sent off, then gradually support left him. As it did when he started attacking lines men.

Paul Galvin for Kerry was a similar story, as is Barry John Keane (When Keane knocked the ball out of the Donegal keeper's hands in an All-Ireland, it left a bad taste in everyone's mouth). Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan for Tyrone.
There were numerous 'puke' football players over time. The worst thing is, so many of them can play great football.
It's just their bad behaviour that ruins their image.

RabbleRouser2k

Powerhouse wrote: »

Oh God-someone's trying to make out I'm anti-lgbt. He's not gay, he literally did it for the money. Be as gay as you want, just don't be a dumb idiot who films it and then cries victim when it gets onto the internet, where it was due to go.

You can be pro or anti lgbt for all I care. That's your own business. I can go only on what you write. The question is why do you think someone should not be on an inter-county panel because of something like this?

His ex not wanting him around the kid says a lot, actually. I know plenty of couples who broke up, some break-ups were nasty. Yet they still allowed the kids to stay in touch with the respective spouse.

How do you know it says a lot? This is a keyboard-warrior-in-full-flow moment. You have no idea what his life is like or who he has to deal with. But again the question remains...……….why would you mention this in the context of whether he should be on an inter-county panel or not?

You ignored the other stuff tho-just selectively ignored it. The breaking the laws and so on.

Yes, I chose not to engage with every syllable you wrote. I just don't have the time - I dealt with the more bizarre comments. But if you are allow only players who have no broken the law to play inter-county you'd be marginalising quite a lot of people. Not sure we need such a puritanical approach.

Don't want to engage with everything I said, yet double posted my post with improper quoting.

You do yours sonny-jim, someone else pointed out the discrepancies in a very well written post. Tc.

FrancieBrady

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

There's a lot of 'thuggery' in football, yet when Dublin do it, or Tyrone, it's rarely called out.
I think Diarmuid Connolly has been one of the few Dublin players to get called out on his bad behaviour. But that's more for his off the pitch actions than his on the field actions.
When he continually left the team a player down, due to his being sent off, then gradually support left him. As it did when he started attacking lines men.

Paul Galvin for Kerry was a similar story, as is Barry John Keane (When Keane knocked the ball out of the Donegal keeper's hands in an All-Ireland, it left a bad taste in everyone's mouth). Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan for Tyrone.
There were numerous 'puke' football players over time. The worst thing is, so many of them can play great football.
It's just their bad behaviour that ruins their image.

I said it before about some of the Dub posters here, there is a cringy need to be told their team is the GOAT and for everyone else to wear blinkers when looking at them.

RabbleRouser2k

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I said it before about some of the Dub posters here, there is a cringy need to be told their team is the GOAT and for everyone else to wear blinkers when looking at them.

Tbh, this year in football was a profoundly disappointing experience. I'm from Kerry, and the amount of media hype that was around Kerry this year was a farce. They played one game, and beat a very disappointing Cork. Suddenly you had Joe Brolly saying 'watch out Dublin'... the hype surrounding their next game, versus Galway was like 'prepare for a great game'...instead, it was one of the most dreadful matches I've had witness to see. And the rest of their season was worse.

Tyrone have been a team underperforming for the last ten years or so. Now they're in the final. It says a lot about the poor quality of football this year.
If the hurling or camogie had been this bad, the GAA would have had serious questions to answer. Instead the hurling was great, and the camogie was also pretty darn interesting.

FrancieBrady

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Tbh, this year in football was a profoundly disappointing experience. I'm from Kerry, and the amount of media hype that was around Kerry this year was a farce. They played one game, and beat a very disappointing Cork. Suddenly you had Joe Brolly saying 'watch out Dublin'... the hype surrounding their next game, versus Galway was like 'prepare for a great game'...instead, it was one of the most dreadful matches I've had witness to see. And the rest of their season was worse.

Tyrone have been a team underperforming for the last ten years or so. Now they're in the final. It says a lot about the poor quality of football this year.
If the hurling or camogie had been this bad, the GAA would have had serious questions to answer. Instead the hurling was great, and the camogie was also pretty darn interesting.

Tyrone have every right to be in the final. They have negotiated a far trickier and competitive route than Dublin have. They have troubled Dublin on route.

As good a final prospect as the last 4.

Niles Crane

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Tbh, this year in football was a profoundly disappointing experience. I'm from Kerry, and the amount of media hype that was around Kerry this year was a farce. They played one game, and beat a very disappointing Cork. Suddenly you had Joe Brolly saying 'watch out Dublin'... the hype surrounding their next game, versus Galway was like 'prepare for a great game'...instead, it was one of the most dreadful matches I've had witness to see. And the rest of their season was worse.

Tyrone have been a team underperforming for the last ten years or so. Now they're in the final. It says a lot about the poor quality of football this year.
If the hurling or camogie had been this bad, the GAA would have had serious questions to answer. Instead the hurling was great, and the camogie was also pretty darn interesting.

Part of the football championships problem is that Dublin are so great they make everyone else look a lot worse than they really are.

Greatness doesn't tend to lead to as much entertainment, hurling was pretty dull during Kilkenny's great era of the 00's.

Hurling in recent years has been helped by the fact that there are no great teams but a number of very good teams.

Bonniedog

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Tbh, this year in football was a profoundly disappointing experience. I'm from Kerry, and the amount of media hype that was around Kerry this year was a farce. They played one game, and beat a very disappointing Cork. Suddenly you had Joe Brolly saying 'watch out Dublin'... the hype surrounding their next game, versus Galway was like 'prepare for a great game'...instead, it was one of the most dreadful matches I've had witness to see. And the rest of their season was worse.

Tyrone have been a team underperforming for the last ten years or so. Now they're in the final. It says a lot about the poor quality of football this year.
If the hurling or camogie had been this bad, the GAA would have had serious questions to answer. Instead the hurling was great, and the camogie was also pretty darn interesting.

Kerry are cr@p so suddenly football is "disappointing."

Only sorry you didn't get to the semi final

RabbleRouser2k

Niles Crane wrote: »

Part of the football championships problem is that Dublin are so great they make everyone else look a lot worse than they really are.

Greatness doesn't tend to lead to as much entertainment, hurling was pretty dull during Kilkenny's great era of the 00's.

Hurling in recent years has been helped by the fact that there are no great teams but a number of very good teams.

Good, not great-that's what I mean. Even Monaghan had them rattled, despite what was written. (Yeah, hurling round then was terrible. It's more even nowadays).

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kerry are cr@p so suddenly football is "disappointing."

Only sorry you didn't get to the semi final

You can say crap you know? 'crap' isn't censored.

Kerry was the most glaring-Galway, Cork, etc there were many other teams that were awful

Name any one who wouldn't be disappointed to not make it to the final? I think that's a given, surely?

Billy Mays

Gas how some people just can't admit that Dublin are a great team

And no that's not me needing to be told Dublin are great, it's just a fact.