How would you feel about Dublin having a native minority population?

Triceratops Ballet

Bootlegger wrote:

You wouldn't care that the country as you knew it was gone for ever?

The country is always changing. The Ireland I was a child in, where everyone went to mass, most people had two parents with one usually staying at home, with kids playing on the roads and no drug or gun crime is already gone, it was gone by the time in was a teenager, the Ireland of my teens and 20's is gone too. The idea that Ireland can or will stay the same is bizzare

topper75

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

As a country bumpkin I don’t really care what happens in Dublin but saying that I was in Dublin last week and while sitting in Blanchardstown centre waiting for someone for 30 minutes I was struck by the sheer number of non irish people milling about, they did seem to outnumber irish looking people. I have nothing more to add.

I have experienced similar. If value judgements weren't thrown in on top of this, it could be a really interesting debate.

My view is that it is inevitable. I have seen it in other cities so it would be by no means a new pattern in Dublin.

You've got to ask yourself - what mechanism(s) are there to halt it. I see none. Some may point to border checks but many enter illegally. Such folk do not fill census forms so there is no use pointing to census stats to claim that the figure is only so much. Numbers deported are quite low. The economic differential between Dublin and the outer world will continue to provide a pull factor. The Irish political establishment, media, and most importantly of all the EU, all wish to see further movement of people into Ireland. There is a consensus amongst those in power that diversity is something to strive towards. Those who say otherwise are far from the power levers. I am convinced that an Irish minority in Dublin is inevitable, perhaps beyond my lifetime, but inevitable.

ArthurDayne

The first humans arrived in Ireland around 9,000 years ago.  Perhaps they sat around in fear pondering the gruesome spectre that their bloodlines would be well-diluted 900 centuries later by the unworthy sperm of Scandinavians, Anglo-Saxons, Normans, Celts, Asians, Africans.  Perhaps they would be horrified to look upon even the white folk of Ireland today -- the mutant mongrel morass of corrupted blood which we are.

I wonder if our great-great-grandparents sat around bemoaning the prospect of their descendants being lunatics who would support such crazy concepts like contraception, female reproductive rights, equal treatment of homosexuals etc.  I wonder if they feared the influx of decadence which would see Irish people and Mother Church torn asunder and the moral righteousness of the Irish people going down the drain.

The fact is -- by applying some of the strict criteria people on here seem to have about what constitutes Irishness -- then none of us are Irish.  We are neither the products of the undisturbed bloodlines of those who first arrived here, nor have we in successive generations adopted the mentality, attitude or culture of those who came before us.  We have of course often rejected outright  the ideologies of previous generations of those who have inhabited this island -- not least the fact that to them the majority of us would now be classified "baby murderers". 

Being Irish to me is simply a common understanding that it is beneficial for people on the island of Ireland to prosper -- through tolerance, peace, productivity, health, and respect for the rule of law. So regardless of whether one day the majority of Dublin is black, I don't really care --- what I do care about is that the aforementioned themes remain intact and that Irish people (of whatever ethnic origin) remain generally and sustainably happy.

Feisar

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I see where the OP is coming from with the title, Like how London has become majority non-native.

At the moment I think the population born outside of Ireland now living in Dublin is something like 18% which is actually very high all things considered, In fact even if we stopped immigration tomorrow we would already have a very healthy amount of foreigners living here. In other countries similar to Ireland with an established native population...somewhere like Japan, In Japan foreign residents make up just around 2%, would it not be a sad thing if in 50 years Japan just looked like anywhere else in the world (a mix of people from everywhere diluting the native culture), Humans will never have a global nation(which seems to be the end goal of those in power) as we all have different outlooks on life.

I'd say in time we will. Those different outlooks will rub off each other, find some middle ground over time and become one.

batgoat

claiomh solais wrote: »

I'm not saying one person (or 'egg') is more of a 'dubliner' as another person. But they are of different ethnicity and thus have inherent biological differences. One spent 20,000+ years developing in Europe and the other somewhere else. This has measurable effects on all animals, including humans. Again, they can be as dubliner as they like, or choose not to be.

I just hate that egg picture it's just so dumb.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

What are those inherent differences?

Personally, I'm waiting for him to start quoting a scene from Get Out....

DChancer

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Well mr chancer, Let us examine this, someone I know well tells me they did not put down the 2 foreign students they rent to onto their Census form, so the census does not record them, so when I say the census is wrong with the number of foreign people they record living in Ireland then yes, I can say it is fact.

Now prove me wrong and show me why you think that the census is 100% accurate if you can.

I dont need to prove anything
You posted a made up story to suit your agenda, you then stated it was fact, so prove it was fact, ask your mythical friend the Unicorn to give you factual proof ..lol

claiomh solais

batgoat wrote: »

Personally, I'm waiting for him to start quoting a scene from Get Out....

Make dumb jokes all you want but what I am saying is not some crazy talk. People and ethnic groups have differences because they developed separate for millennia. You wont find major differences from closeby areas, but we spanned all over the planet. Its not a bad thing, it's just a thing.

DChancer

Bootlegger wrote: »

You wouldn't care that the country as you knew it was gone for ever?

Nope.
Thats progress.
And if the country I knew is replaced by something better , that's great.

Sleeper12

thebull85 wrote:

Personally its not something i would welcome a native irish minority.

What is native irish? I had a DNA test and I am only 75 percent Irish. I am 7 percent Viking. 6 percent Europe West. 6 percent Iberian peninsula & a few percent of bits and pieces inc Russia and Asia.

I can trace my family back to the mid 1800s but I'm not 100 percent Irish.

If a foreign national has children with a 100 percent Irish person then they will be 50 percent Irish.

My question is what percentage do you need to be to fall under the title native irish?

Cleopatra_

claiomh solais wrote: »

I'm not saying one person (or 'egg') is more of a 'dubliner' as another person. But they are of different ethnicity and thus have inherent biological differences. One spent 20,000+ years developing in Europe and the other somewhere else. This has measurable effects on all animals, including humans. Again, they can be as dubliner as they like, or choose not to be.

I just hate that egg picture it's just so dumb.

I have Cystic Fibrosis, which is a genetic condition and Ireland has the highest rate of carriers in the world (per capita). Maybe a few more foreigners might make us less inbred and hotter

I live abroad now in England so I definitely notice how multi cultural it is here. Dublin is still a long way behind the UK in that regard .

I've no bother with people coming to live in Ireland as long as they make some effort to integrate. I admit that the only people I'd be wary of are very conservative religious people, especially if they were coming in large numbers. Ireland does not need to go backwards in that respect.

batgoat

claiomh solais wrote: »

Make dumb jokes all you want but what I am saying is not some crazy talk. People and ethnic groups have differences because they developed separate for millennia. You wont find major differences from closeby areas, but we spanned all over the planet. Its not a bad thing, it's just a thing.

And diversity in terms of the gene pool is pretty great. But the route your going is closer to Nazi Germany race science. It was a pseudoscience btw.

claiomh solais

batgoat wrote: »

And diversity in terms of the gene pool is pretty great. But the route your going is closer to Nazi Germany race science. It was a pseudoscience btw.

I never once said anything negative about diversity. Genetic diversity is indeed a good thing.

All I stated was that I disagreed with the egg picture has it fails to highlight that ethnic groups have inherent differences ... hence "diversity".

ohnonotgmail

claiomh solais wrote: »

I never once said anything negative about diversity. Genetic diversity is indeed a good thing.

All I stated was that I disagreed with the egg picture has it fails to highlight that ethnic groups have inherent differences ... hence "diversity".

and what are those inherent differences? can you give us some examples?

Chris_Heilong

DChancer wrote: »

I dont need to prove anything
You posted a made up story to suit your agenda, you then stated it was fact, so prove it was fact, ask your mythical friend the Unicorn to give you factual proof ..lol

Lol, So you dont have a real comeback, that is fine. Sorry for threatening your world view, I will let you return to your fantasy land now.

sbsquarepants

Billy86 wrote: »

and you are absolutely correct - young Lukasz or Chenglei or Adi will likely contribute far more than me moving forward over the course of their lifetimes. .

Not Chenglei - he's a bleeding waster!:)

sbsquarepants wrote: »

All countries have their problems and we are certainly not the exception, but I'd be interested to hear at what point in our past do you think we were doing better than we are now?

Well OP - when do you reckon we were better off as a country than we are now?

Shenshen

Bootlegger wrote: »

You wouldn't care that the country as you knew it was gone for ever?

It would be one way or another.
I grew up in the 70s and 80s - that country is definitely gone forever, and certainly not because of foreigners.
Would you want to preserve "now" in formaldehyde and turn the country into a museum?

Sardine

Bootlegger wrote: »

You wouldn't care that the country as you knew it was gone for ever?

Why would I care? I'll be dead!

Billy86

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Lol, So you dont have a real comeback, that is fine. Sorry for threatening your world view, I will let you return to your fantasy land now.

Did you now that Ireland has 18mn immigrants and only 1mn people that were born here? True story bro.

Sardine

Shenshen wrote: »

It would be one way or another.
I grew up in the 70s and 80s - that country is definitely gone forever, and certainly not because of foreigners.
Would you want to preserve "now" in formaldehyde and turn the country into a museum?

I've spent most of my life mourning the break-up of Pangaea

Star Bingo

“The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.”

Richard Nikolaus Eijiro Count of Coudenhove-Kalergi, founding president of the Paneuropean Union the preliminary ideological foundation of the European Union. Chap was a looper yet it’s his vision that the EU was built on.... and we’re all in it together

biko

I can't wait for Dublin to catch up to London and Paris in terms of riots and crime.

It's much too quiet on this island nowadays

Billy86

biko wrote: »

I can't wait for Dublin to catch up to London and Paris in terms on riots and crime.

Haven't checked Paris but London is a safer city than Dublin on the whole. Looking at Toronto over half the population were not even born in Canada and they are safer again. By your logic we need more migrants, I'm sure you won't now go and try to shift the goalposts.

Sardine

biko wrote: »

I can't wait for Dublin to catch up to London and Paris in terms of riots and crime.

It's much too quiet on this island nowadays

I lived in London for years. The mix of cultures there is fantastic. It's a real melting pot and everyone gets on quite well. There's been a few terrorist attacks I'm sure people will allude to but things like that will always happen in a mega city.
Who was responsible for the worst terrorist campaigns there in the last 50 years? It wasn't Islamics!

DChancer

Billy86 wrote: »

Did you now that Ireland has 18mn immigrants and only 1mn people that were born here? True story bro.

And most of dem immgrints are black muslimist unicorns, a mate of mine who is one told me all about it.
True story , fact!

Timberrrrrrrr

claiomh solais wrote: »

I'm not saying one person (or 'egg') is more of a 'dubliner' as another person. But they are of different ethnicity and thus have inherent biological differences. One spent 20,000+ years developing in Europe and the other somewhere else. This has measurable effects on all animals, including humans. Again, they can be as dubliner as they like, or choose not to be.

I just hate that egg picture it's just so dumb.

It shows that no matter the colour of our skin we are all the same on the inside.

Mutant z

Multiculturalism has been nothing but a disaster for the western world why would anyone still believe its a good idea take the disaster of Sweden for an example and the huge surge in crime, the fact is no none ever asked for this its being forced onto us regardless by spineless politicians who have given their own countries away to Brussels and Merkel, and now we are going to pay dearly for this betrayal.

Will I Am Not

Sardine wrote: »

what issues regarding immigration in Ireland are currently affecting you?

Well I’m living in a town that has bore the brunt of immigration in the county of Dublin. I’ve voiced my experiences and concerns here before. I could go on and on about it but there would only be a queue of people that don’t live here telling me that there’s nothing wrong. Crime and gang related incidents are a very real problem here in certain communities. It’s like a microcosm of what is happening in the US and London. Gangs of teens claiming police brutality and crying racism when they get arrested.



I will say that there are people trying to put their unborn children down for school places and I have to travel outside of the town I have lived in all my life to see a doctor.
Immigration on a large scale will never work when you are funnelling it all into a few designated working class areas.

My original point was to counteract your opinion that people are generally the same. They’re not, human life is valued differently all over the world. What we would find abhorrent is daily life for people in parts of Africa, South America, Asia and the Middle East.

Brussels Sprout

"The Rose of Tralee Winner isn't really Irish"
"Is it ok to be proud to be white?"
"How would you feel about Dublin having a native minority population?"

I see that the same user is responsible for at least 2/3 of the above threads.

AH is turning into politics.ie which is a hornet's nest of bitter, angry people raging about everything and anything.

Here's a post from their own Rose of Tralee thread:

it is organised Political CRIME, libtard propaganda that we pay for or else face jail, welcome to 1930s Germany Libtardia,,

Nobody clapped in the end, RTE knew they "lost the common folk" and cut the feed very quickly, they just rolled the credits immediately and went to the ads,, what does that tell you about the spinners in the production ?? yep,, no negative feedback after the crime,, SCUM RTE , it needs to be dismantled immediately,

They rigged yet another thing, it is now utterly proven they are a mouthpiece for the libtards in the Dail and lets just stick to the facts,,

They rigged the Hurling Final acceptance speech to only show Mickey D Moron in the shot, they Rigged the Rose of Tralee to have only 3 girls in the boring congratulation 5 minute shot to include the black girl to soften everyone up, ? is was no accident ?

nobody clapped when she was announced as the winner,, they knew this was rigged just like the Frontline to get Moron Higgins the gig,,

This is Libtard Fake News Turbo Charged, sure they are using this girl for their libtard agenda and she will probably understand that later on,,

Of course the libtard print media are probably getting ready to push their libtard agenda with pictures in the morning ,,
They will not mention that nobody in the crowd really clapped or the winner did not repeat her party piece,, they will never put any negative gloss on the RTE rigged competition, they will just lose readers and RTE will lose viewers ,

If she was outstanding and brilliant it would be grand but they put her into the final acceptance shot like Mickey Moron in the hurling and she really did not come across as something special,,

We have a clown Taoiseach with OUR 5 mill special communications unit, RTE lying and spinning their way to keep the money flowing from the Dail, (no Maria Steen to tear the abortion people to pieces allowed on the second night) the factual list of what RTE and the media is up to is there on the ould D'internet,

Hook, Myers, Waters, all gone from contact with listeners,readers,, ?? fired by Nazi Libtards,

It sounds like a conspiracy nut post but ,, factually it is not,, RTE is SCUM STASI LIBTARD PROPAGANDA,, and being involved in propaganda , it is best delivered at the right temperature,, just enough, not too much,, this week they revealed themselves too much,, they got greedy,, Mickey D idiot and Black Girl (trannys to follow) winning the Rose, with the only weapon they have, exposure of their preferred winner ??

Propaganda 101,, push and keep pushing,, the voters are like sheep,,

Who the fook is running this Country these days ?

Hopefully AH can be saved before it descends into stuff like the above.

Sardine

Mutant z wrote: »

Multiculturalism has been nothing but a disaster for the western world why would anyone still believe its a good idea take the disaster of Sweden for an example and the huge surge in crime, the fact is no none ever asked for this its being forced onto us regardless by spineless politicians who have given their own countries away to Brussels and Merkel, and now we are going to pay dearly for this betrayal.

It hasn't been a disaster. We're richer now than we've ever been. I know some Swedish people, they have good lives, they're not avoiding rapists all day long ffs.
If Ireland wants to continue growing economically immigration is essential. You can't have it both ways. Who's going to clean our toilets and do the sh*tty jobs locals wont do if we don't have immigrants? Margaret Cash and her ilk? (Managed to get her into this thread!)

Sleeper12

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Well I’m living in a town that has bore the brunt of immigration in the county of Dublin. I’ve voiced my experiences and concerns here before. I could go on and on about it but there would only be a queue of people that don’t live here telling me that there’s nothing wrong. Crime and gang related incidents are a very real problem here in certain communities. It’s like a microcosm of what is happening in the US and London. Gangs of teens claiming police brutality and crying racism when they get arrested.



I will say that there are people trying to put their unborn children down for school places and I have to travel outside of the town I have lived in all my life to see a doctor.
Immigration on a large scale will never work when you are funnelling it all into a few designated working class areas.

My original point was to counteract your opinion that people are generally the same. They’re not, human life is valued differently all over the world. What we would find abhorrent is daily life for people in parts of Africa, South America, Asia and the Middle East.

Just so you know we have a huge amount of non Irish doctors, thankfully. In fact there is a much higher portion of non Irish are doctors than Irish.

mariaalice

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

"The Rose of Tralee Winner isn't really Irish"
"Is it ok to be proud to be white?"
"How would you feel about Dublin having a native minority population?"

I see that the same user is responsible for at least 2/3 of the above threads.

AH is turning into politics.ie which is a hornet's nest of bitter, angry people raging about everything and anything.

Here's a post from their own Rose of Tralee thread:



Hopefully AH can be saved before it descends into stuff like the above.

It's too late for AH but its kinda fascinating to watch all the same.

Will I Am Not

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Just so you know we have a huge amount of non Irish doctors, thankfully. In fact there is a much higher portion of non Irish are doctors than Irish.

I’m not against immigration. I’m against how it’s implemented.

Mutant z

Sardine wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

Multiculturalism has been nothing but a disaster for the western world why would anyone still believe its a good idea take the disaster of Sweden for an example and the huge surge in crime, the fact is no none ever asked for this its being forced onto us regardless by spineless politicians who have given their own countries away to Brussels and Merkel, and now we are going to pay dearly for this betrayal.

It hasn't been a disaster. We're richer now than we've ever been. I know some Swedish people, they have good lives, they're not avoiding rapists all day long ffs.
If Ireland wants to continue growing economically immigration is essential. You can't have it both ways. Who's going to clean our toilets and do the sh*tty jobs locals wont do if we don't have immigrants? Margaret Cash and her ilk? (Managed to get her into this thread!)

Sardine wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

Multiculturalism has been nothing but a disaster for the western world why would anyone still believe its a good idea take the disaster of Sweden for an example and the huge surge in crime, the fact is no none ever asked for this its being forced onto us regardless by spineless politicians who have given their own countries away to Brussels and Merkel, and now we are going to pay dearly for this betrayal.

It hasn't been a disaster. We're richer now than we've ever been. I know some Swedish people, they have good lives, they're not avoiding rapists all day long ffs.
If Ireland wants to continue growing economically immigration is essential. You can't have it both ways. Who's going to clean our toilets and do the sh*tty jobs locals wont do if we don't have immigrants? Margaret Cash and her ilk? (Managed to get her into this thread!)

We don't need unskilled illiterate immigrants from the 3rd world we especially don't need those who's culture is vastly different and hostile to our own and who want to impose their own medieval ways onto the rest of society.

DChancer

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

"The Rose of Tralee Winner isn't really Irish"
"Is it ok to be proud to be white?"
"How would you feel about Dublin having a native minority population?"

I see that the same user is responsible for at least 2/3 of the above threads.

AH is turning into politics.ie which is a hornet's nest of bitter, angry people raging about everything and anything.

Here's a post from their own Rose of Tralee thread:



Hopefully AH can be saved before it descends into stuff like the above.

Sadly not likely while Boards.ie allows racist xenophobic and hate filled threads to stay up.

Sardine

Mutant z wrote: »

We don't need unskilled illiterate immigrants from the 3rd world we especially don't need those who's culture is vastly different and hostile to our own and who want to impose their own medieval ways onto the rest of society.

Well we do. Who's going to do the sh*tty jobs? All the cleaners in our office are from Brazil and other places. I doubt they're illiterate. No Irish people will do these jobs any more.
Who's culture is hostile to our own? Is it only Muslims you don't want here?

Triceratops Ballet

Mutant z wrote:

We don't need unskilled illiterate immigrants from the 3rd world we especially don't need those who's culture is vastly different and hostile to our own and who want to impose their own medieval ways onto the rest of society.

Are they doing that, what are some examples of how their "medieval ways" are being imposed on us?

Sleeper12

Mutant z wrote:

We don't need unskilled illiterate immigrants from the 3rd world we especially don't need those who's culture is vastly different and hostile to our own and who want to impose their own medieval ways onto the rest of society.

Don't forget this was the case with many Irish going abroad over the last few hundred years. Farmers without a word of English heading off to New York. Farmers they didn't need but they were still made welcome

Timberrrrrrrr

Mutant z wrote: »

We don't need unskilled illiterate immigrants from the 3rd world we especially don't need those who's culture is vastly different and hostile to our own and who want to impose their own medieval ways onto the rest of society.

When was the last time someone tried to do this to you?

Doctor Jimbob

Mutant z wrote: »

We don't need unskilled illiterate immigrants from the 3rd world we especially don't need those who's culture is vastly different and hostile to our own and who want to impose their own medieval ways onto the rest of society.

Raising concerns about unskilled immigrants is fair enough, but can't you see you're closing off the potential for a serious conversation about it with hyperbole like the bolded above?

The_Kew_Tour

Sardine wrote: »

No Irish people will do these jobs any more.
?

Any link or proof to this?

PlaneSpeeking

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Don't forget this was the case with many Irish going abroad over the last few hundred years. Farmers without a word of English heading off to New York. Farmers they didn't need but they were still made welcome

I'd tentatively agree but my granddad went to America in 1903 with no Irish whatsoever and worked his arse off.

He may have worked on a farm but if you're a grafter you can turn your hand to most things.

I've said a few times, most of the non-nationals near me are bloody hardworking and a credit to their country.

PlaneSpeeking

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Any link or proof to this?

People often reference social care but I'd say my dad's nursing home is about 50/50 Irish and non-Irish.

All lovely people and take very good care of him, and other "challenging" patients.

Sleeper12

DChancer wrote:

Sadly not likely while Boards.ie allows racist xenophobic and hate filled threads to stay up.

If boards.ie banned racist xenophobic posters there wouldn't be too many posters. It's easy to voice outlandish statements while hiding behind a fake name

mariaalice

Sardine wrote: »

Well we do. Who's going to do the sh*tty jobs? All the cleaners in our office are from Brazil and other places. I doubt they're illiterate. No Irish people will do these jobs any more.
Who's culture is hostile to our own? Is it only Muslims you don't want here?

There is no point in arguing with them because it's not about logic, Its a mixture of things an illogical hatred of any difference, a nasty chip on the shoulder type of personality sometimes thick as well but not always. The one thing it is not is logical.

Mutant z

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Mutant z wrote:

We don't need unskilled illiterate immigrants from the 3rd world we especially don't need those who's culture is vastly different and hostile to our own and who want to impose their own medieval ways onto the rest of society.

Are they doing that, what are some examples of how their "medieval ways" are being imposed on us?

Sharia law for one many muslims have no intention ever integrating they want to takeover and impose their own ideology onto the rest of society, why are they coming here in the first place if they don't respect our culture or way of life.

Billy86

Will I Am Not wrote: »

It’s like a microcosm of what is happening in the US and London.

The same London hat is safer than Dublin? Again by that logic we need more migrants and I'm sure you won't go trying to sift the goalposts on it either.

PlaneSpeeking

Mutant z wrote: »

Sharia law for one many muslims have no intention ever integrating they want to takeover and impose their own ideology onto the rest of society, why are they coming here in the first place if they don't respect our culture or way of life.

It is rather disconcerting to see male students talk to you as if they were superior - the last one was 18 and had been here a few months.

Merely for being a woman and having the audacity to tell him he'd failed!!

Not all are like that - and a load are not (Saudi and Qatar tend to be the offenders), I'd not say "religious Muslims" are the issue but more like "hardcore cultural Muslims".

ohnonotgmail

Mutant z wrote: »

Sharia law for one many muslims have no intention ever integrating they want to takeover and impose their own ideology onto the rest of society, why are they coming here in the first place if they don't respect our culture or way of life.

where has sharia law been imposed on the rest of society in ireland?

John_Rambo

Dubliners have always been a mixed bag and the cities alway welcomed people from all over the world.

The increase in average human heterozygosity due to urbanisation leads to stronger people that live longer and have less health problems in cities. This, along with less car dependency leads to much healthier people.

Look at the physical shape, looks, teeth, jaw line, bone structure of the Dublin football team for instance.

Triceratops Ballet

Mutant z wrote:

Sharia law for one many muslims have no intention ever integrating they want to takeover and impose their own ideology onto the rest of society, why are they coming here in the first place if they don't respect our culture or way of life.

So what are your examples of this actually happening here in Ireland right now? How is sharia law actively being imposed on us?