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Unqualified Teachers

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  • 23-08-2018 4:19pm
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    mirrorwall14
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    Just curious how common this is becoming in other schools? We had two unqualified teachers with full Irish timetables last year. Looks like the same again this year and potentially another Irish post unfilled. Three other posts currently unfilled as far as I know although two of those are still in advertising. We are a pretty big school


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    rainbowtrout
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    I'd say it will become more and more common. We had a native German woman rather than a German teacher in last year. German teachers are rare. One of our Irish teachers left only last week for another job, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes to get a replacement. Physics teachers don't seem to exist at all, not for short term cover anyway, neither do Ag Science.

    Teachers graduating with certain subjects do seem to have their pick at the moment.


    However, we've probably debated this several years back on the forum. We tend to copy the UK, and inherit the problems which exist in their system. We tend to be 15-20 years behind them in the process. The shortages which started in the UK about 20 years ago are beginning to become more and more apparent here in certain subjects. Only we have a unique situation with Irish, there aren't that many graduates becoming teachers presumably, and it's a compulsory subject so we need every Irish teacher we can get. Because of the nature of it, we can't use foreign qualified teachers as none exist......


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    doc_17
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    How can these people be paid?


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    judeboy101
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    doc_17 wrote: »
    How can these people be paid?
    Through sorcery. Lots of ways to pay them eg creative use of s&s. Concession hrs etc


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    doc_17
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Through sorcery. Lots of ways to pay them eg creative use of s&s. Concession hrs etc

    So they are being paid at unqualified rate?


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    mirrorwall14
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    doc_17 wrote: »
    How can these people be paid?

    As far as I'm aware if the school can show they have no one qualified and have no alternative then they can be paid


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    byhookorbycrook
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    No such thing as an unqualified teacher, you don't hear people talk of unqualified surgeons/nurses/plumbers...


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    rainbowtrout
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    No such thing as an unqualified teacher, you don't hear people talk of unqualified surgeons/nurses/plumbers...


    :confused::confused::confused:

    Well you don't hear of them because you can't get a nursing job without a nursing qualification, but when needs must in teaching people are hired that don't have a PME, the teaching qualification.


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    trihead
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    Not sure if OP is referring to teachers who have a PME but not in a particular subject or teachers who don't have PME at all.

    But the official line from the teacher's council (heard this from the director himself at a talk) that once you are qualified in one subject then you are officially recognized as a teacher and the Principal can put you teaching whatever they want (not looking for a TC bashing thread BTW).

    I know I will get replies saying why are teachers looking to get a second subject listed on their cert etc by doing an extra post-grad? - its a bit confusing to be honest - you also have confusion by some schools / etb adding in their own rules also when hiring a teacher for two subjects. You also get the government supporting add-on courses such as Maths (as the media have a field day over so-called unqualified maths teachers in the classroom ( I know this UL course has finished but it was on for years).

    I'd wish they would make they mind up which way it is.


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