RTE's coverage of the pope's visit

uptherebels

Try_harder wrote: »

Vatican pushing the 300,000 number

Not surprising, they gotta try and save face

Try_harder

iamwhoiam wrote: »

RTE just showed a man saying the Pope went too far in his apology . Why was this eejit given airtime on a day when the abused are watching and feeling better because they were recognised . Yet this man is featured and given airtime
If he thinks the apology went too far then try telling that to 700 babies in a Tuam sewer

RTE have a duty to air a breath of opinions tbf- I cant see too many agreeing with him

iamwhoiam

Try_harder wrote: »

RTE have a duty to air a breath of opinions tbf- I cant see too many agreeing with him

I understand opinion but so many victims didn't need to hear it today of all days

bobbyss

I thought I heard someone on RTE I think that the OPW ( No, I don't know why or how either) would have official numbers in due course.

Try_harder

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I understand opinion but so many victims didn't need to hear it today of all days

It wasnt during the actual coverage tbf.

iamwhoiam

Try_harder wrote: »

It wasnt during the actual coverage tbf.

No it was on the News

redshoes15

Thought the coverage was great to be fair to RTE. Enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Was quite humbled by some of the reactions people had to either being in the pope’s presence or just laying eyes on him. Highlight for me, Croke Park and the young girl taking the selfie. Fantastic reaction from the pope and the crowd.

yabadabado

Trasna1 wrote: »

No tickets were scanned. Tickets were purely for crowd control

Tickets scanned in Knock. I presumed the park would have been the same ?

road_high

Try_harder wrote: »

Vatican pushing the 300,000 number

RTE glossed over this- saying anything from 150 to 300 k people estimated in the crowd. I smell BS, how could an estimate vary in the order of 100%?!

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

RTE just showed a man saying the Pope went too far in his apology . Why was this eejit given airtime on a day when the abused are watching and feeling better because they were recognised . Yet this man is featured and given airtime
If he thinks the apology went too far then try telling that to 700 babies in a Tuam sewer

The likes of him are exactly why there was fcuk all there today. The likes of these fundamentalists are actually way worse than the RCC itself for me.

road_high

bobbyss wrote: »

I thought I heard someone on RTE I think that the OPW ( No, I don't know why or how either) would have official numbers in due course.

They won't be in any rush with that one! If it had been in any a very large figure I've no doubt they'd be shouting it from the rooftops now.

splinter65

Irish Kings wrote: »

queuing for what, there was nobody there

She says there was around 250000. We live in a small town that regularly has big crowds for sports matches so we are good at estimating crowds.
Queueing to get out.

Mr.Nice Guy

The turnout was good considering the weather. What other world figure would attract those numbers in similar conditions?

RTE coverage was pretty good overall. Looks like the visit will go down as a successful one despite the best efforts of the critics. No wonder they're pissed off.

"That giant gathering of people wasn't as gigantic as many said it would be."

:pac:

chooey

yabadabado wrote: »

I wonder will there be official figures released?

Every ticket was scanned on entry so they know exactly how many were there,probably be too embarrassed to say .

I didn’t see one ticket being scanned today, ours certainly weren’t. On the ground, it looked absolutely jammed. I would have thought maybe 250k

Pelvis

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The turnout was good considering the weather. What other world figure would attract those numbers in similar conditions?

What conditions? Bit of drizzle? Are people's faith that tenuous?

Garth Brooks would have sold out.

uptherebels

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The turnout was good considering the weather. What other world figure would attract those numbers in similar conditions?

RTE coverage was pretty good overall. Looks like the visit will go down as a successful one despite the best efforts of the critics. No wonder they're pissed off.

"That giant gathering of people wasn't as gigantic as many said it would be."

:pac:

Just out of interest what metrics do you use to determine the successfulness of the visit? Because turnout clearly isn't one of them.

Clareman

I'd say there'll be some session in D4 tonight, lots of great work done by a lot of people over the 2 days

mloc123

chooey wrote: »

I didn’t see one ticket being scanned today, ours certainly weren’t. On the ground, it looked absolutely jammed. I would have thought maybe 250k

I have no idea how to logically gauge the size of a crowd... But one time I was in croke park, on the ground it looked jammed... Probably about a million people

Patser

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The turnout was good considering the weather. What other world figure would attract those numbers in similar conditions?

I've said this over on AH thread too but...

Garth Brooks sold over 400,000 tickets! Sold now, not gave away for free.

mloc123

With a full ariel image of the area at peak time it should be able to get a decent estimate of how many were there.

Counting the total number of pens and getting a crowd density estimate of each one (there is software that will do that).

The pens up front looked full, the pens from half way back looked mostly empty. Assume that the pens were planned to how equal numbers also.

Sleeper12

Irish Kings wrote:

Not according to journal.ie and RTE have just stated the same about 5mins ago, all 500,000 were booked out.

Many of the 500,000 were offered free online again by people who changed their minds. Many people applied several times to ensure that they got tickets. These extra tickets were offered online free of charge up to last night.

4068ac1elhodqr

The Donald said there was more at his Trump-POTUS inaugural rally (there might actually have been).

Clareman

I just realised that 1 of the "experts" on 6-one this evening was a former teacher of mine, can't say I remember much of him as a teacher or an expert on TV

Sleeper12

Trasna1 wrote:

No tickets were scanned. Tickets were purely for crowd control

Tickets in knock were scanned and they were supposed to be scanned in the park. They need to scan the tickets for insurance purposes. If it was full & people got trampled & put in a claim the organiser has to be able to prove the numbers

Trasna1

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Tickets in knock were scanned and they were supposed to be scanned in the park. They need to scan the tickets for insurance purposes. If it was full & people got trampled & put in a claim the organiser has to be able to prove the numbers

As I said, they had radar over the entry lanes so counted the crowd that way. Tickets were not checked. In fact security was quite weak, much less thorough than croke park.

amdublin

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Tickets in knock were scanned and they were supposed to be scanned in the park. They need to scan the tickets for insurance purposes. If it was full & people got trampled & put in a claim the organiser has to be able to prove the numbers

Generally all agreed with between the organisers and insurer. Do you have some special insight into the legal conditions agreed on this occasion?

chooey

Trasna1 wrote: »

As I said, they had radar over the entry lanes so counted the crowd that way. Tickets were not checked. In fact security was quite weak, much less thorough than croke park.

I thought the same. They didn’t look in any bags, only thing they asked me was did I have any cans in mine. Just walked through

electrictrad

Clareman wrote: »

I'd say there'll be some session in D4 tonight, lots of great work done by a lot of people over the 2 days

I'm not sure if they're much of what you'd call "session people", to be honest

Try_harder

off the phone to mum, they had to walk a long way to the park, the promised "shuttle bus" never materialised. But she said it was dry and she enjoyed the mass and seeing the pope

Sleeper12

amdublin wrote:

Generally all agreed with between the organisers and insurer. Do you have some special insight into the legal conditions agreed on this occasion?

I ran a security company & a promotion company up till 2003. We put gigs on. Ronnie Drew, Aslan, topless dancers that type of thing. A high number for us would have been 1500 so small patatoes.

You do have to be able to prove how many were in attendance so you have to have a way of counting the crowd. By law you need to have minimum one security for every hundred tickets. This is law and you may have to prove it after the event so an agreement with the insurance isn't enough. The fire officer can request the information as they usually cover numbers at an event.

Someone a few posts back was there and he /she said that they were counted by an overhead sensor.

amdublin

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I ran a security company & a promotion company up till 2003. We put gigs on. Ronnie Drew, Aslan, topless dancers that type of thing. A high number for us would have been 1500 so small patatoes.

You do have to be able to prove how many were in attendance so you have to have a way of counting the crowd. By law you need to have minimum one security for every hundred tickets. This is law and you may have to prove it after the event so an agreement with the insurance isn't enough. The fire officer can request the information as they usually cover numbers at an event.

Someone a few posts back was there and he /she said that they were counted by an overhead sensor.

Yep, agree, it was obviously confirmed in advance the count would be done by radar overheads

Mr.Nice Guy

uptherebels wrote: »

Just out of interest what metrics do you use to determine the successfulness of the visit? Because turnout clearly isn't one of them.

Can you please provide a list of larger gatherings for single events in the history of the country? I await it with interest. I'll give you two off the bat: the last Papal visit and the O'Connell gathering in the 19th century.

patser wrote:

Garth Brooks sold over 400,000 tickets! Sold now, not gave away for free.

Not for a single event but for planned events over a series of days, and that was an event that would have been marketed towards all fans of his, whereas this visit was primarily designed for people here. It's a matter of conjecture how many would have went if the weather was poor.

Atlantic Dawn

Vin B unimpressed...
https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1033783910419836935

Irish Kings

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Vin B unimpressed...
https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1033783910419836935

Sky news's coverage was even more reverential than RTE and almost as extensive, I wonder what Vinney makes of that.

mloc123

Irish Kings wrote: »

Sky news's coverage was even more reverential than RTE and almost as extensive, I wonder what Vinney makes of that.

As Sky is not our national broacaster I doubt he cares.

Trasna1

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Can you please provide a list of larger gatherings for single events in the history of the country? I await it with interest. I'll give you two off the bat: the last Papal visit and the O'Connell gathering in the 19th century.



Not for a single event but for planned events over a series of days, and that was an event that would have been marketed towards all fans of his, whereas this visit was primarily designed for people here. It's a matter of conjecture how many would have went if the weather was poor.

The Italia 90 homecoming had an estimated 500k in attendance.
To be honest we've seen the last of the huge national gatherings since there's nothing that unifies the country like before,.and I don't think we will ever see the likes of huge free events ever again - tickets will at least have a small nominal charge which will allow for realistic event planning.

bazermc

According to Father Dougal there was 17 million people there.

https://youtu.be/3f6YPyc_OuI

Irish Kings

mloc123 wrote: »

As Sky is not our national broacaster I doubt he cares.

true. context or balance was never Vinnie's strong point.

Autochange

Trasna1 wrote: »

The Italia 90 homecoming had an estimated 500k in attendance.
To be honest we've seen the last of the huge national gatherings since there's nothing that unifies the country like before,.and I don't think we will ever see the likes of huge free events ever again - tickets will at least have a small nominal charge which will allow for realistic event planning.

We might see huge turnouts for something worth while. Not like this freak show

Mr.Nice Guy

RTE compiled a list of the largest gatherings involving Irish people:

https://www.rte.ie/news/pope-francis-in-ireland/2018/0803/982949-huge-crowds-in-irish-history

Fact is this visit easily makes the list, even if we estimate the figure on the more modest side of the scale; we'll be waiting a long time to see a head of state or public figure generate this level of interest again. I'm sure that's infuriating for all the critics who wanted this to fail. :P

Notorious

Autochange wrote: »

We might see huge turnouts for something worth while. Not like this freak show

I briefly flicked on the RTE coverage on Saturday night. It was just after the Croke Park event. One of the commentators on the panel mentioned that there was a lot of empty seats, and he was immediately shot down by the Francis Brennan and Mary Kennedy (I think it was MK). Can't be blasting the turnout.

Pelvis

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

RTE compiled a list of the largest gatherings involving Irish people:

https://www.rte.ie/news/pope-francis-in-ireland/2018/0803/982949-huge-crowds-in-irish-history

Fact is this visit easily makes the list, even if we estimate the figure on the more modest side of the scale; we'll be waiting a long time to see a head of state or public figure generate this level of interest again. I'm sure that's infuriating for all the critics who wanted this to fail. :P

It's amazing the mental hoops you have to jump through to put a positive spin on this. But yes, the pope managed to attract slightly more than Barry McGuigan and not even half as many as the ploughing championships

TheRiverman

Notorious wrote: »

I briefly flicked on the RTE coverage on Saturday night. It was just after the Croke Park event. One of the commentators on the panel mentioned that there was a lot of empty seats, and he was immediately shot down by the Francis Brennan and Mary Kennedy (I think it was MK). Can't be blasting the turnout.

It wasn't blasted on the 9 o'clock news tonight,but it was definitely acknowledged that the numbers in the Phoenix Park today were way down on what was expected.

Mr.Nice Guy

Pelvis wrote: »

It's amazing the mental hoops you have to jump through to put a positive spin on this. But yes, the pope managed to attract slightly more than Barry McGuigan and not even half as many as the ploughing championships

You know the critics are straw-clutching when they're reduced to barbs like "state of your giant gathering".

bfa1509

iamwhoiam wrote: »

RTE just showed a man saying the Pope went too far in his apology . Why was this eejit given airtime on a day when the abused are watching and feeling better because they were recognised . Yet this man is featured and given airtime
If he thinks the apology went too far then try telling that to 700 babies in a Tuam sewer

He was stupid to say the apology went too far but you neglected to mention what he said straight after, which had a little more validity to it. He said "I think the community at the time should be 95% to blame"

While I think 95% is pushing it, I do think the attitude of the community was partly to blame. Families, friends, neighbours all disowned and failed to protect those most vulnerable.

I think they were right to air it.

JP Liz V1

Irish Kings wrote: »

Sky news's coverage was even more reverential than RTE and almost as extensive, I wonder what Vinney makes of that.

Of the Pope in England :P

harr

bfa1509 wrote: »

He was stupid to say the apology went too far but you neglected to mention what he said straight after, which had a little more validity to it. He said "I think the community at the time should be 95% to blame"

While I think 95% is pushing it, I do think the attitude of the community was partly to blame. Families, friends, neighbours all disowned and failed to protect those most vulnerable.

I think they were right to air it.

Not to long ago in Ireland people wouldn’t dare go against a member of the clergy ... the Catholic Church was more powerful than any state organisation or in fact more powerful than the law of the land.
In small town Ireland the Catholic Church could ruin you if they so wished with the help of the state as well.
My mom remembers people’s names being read from the pulpit and that was far more serious than landing in court or similar.

Harry Palmr

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

RTE compiled a list of the largest gatherings involving Irish people:

https://www.rte.ie/news/pope-francis-in-ireland/2018/0803/982949-huge-crowds-in-irish-history

Fact is this visit easily makes the list, even if we estimate the figure on the more modest side of the scale; we'll be waiting a long time to see a head of state or public figure generate this level of interest again. I'm sure that's infuriating for all the critics who wanted this to fail. :P

Pointless list really -

The majority of the above events were not ticketed events, and many took place at numerous venues or over a number of days. As a result it is often not possible to provide exact figures of how many people took part or attended.

Where possible we have provided figures from gardand organisers, although even these must be treated with an element of caution due to the difficulties of calculating the number of people congregating in a public space over a long period of time.

Ultimately the main conclusion from this event is the obvious one - the Pope is not the draw he once was in a previous era and incarnation (a bit like Dr Who maybe?!).

appledrop

Well the coverage at 9 o clock news said tens of thousands so they obviously are back tracking on their earlier estimates. Aerial photos make it look empty. Showed my husband the picture + he thought it was the crowd building before it. I was like eh no that's during it. If all those pens were for 500,000 then looks like less then 100,000. I'm no expect though.

FrancieBrady

Eamon Martin getting a roasting on RTE and not responding with anything only platitudes. No change there then. :rolleyes: