John Mc Cain

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The communists were not some innocent actors in the Vietnam war.

But it was Vietnam's war. Not America's.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Is the thread about anything American, if yes, bring up Vietnam/Iraq as a conduit to bash the country/thing/person related to the US

Rinse, repeat

He was literally a prisoner of war in one of those. Of course it's going to be brought up.

People in Vietnam are still dying because of the war and McCain was never an advocate of peace since then. If he had been, normal people like myself might look on his life and not think he was despicable.

Galwayguy35

Sal Butamol wrote: »

He was a warmonger.

He pushed hard for war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya. He supported the arming of extremists so long as it facilitated the goals of the U.S.

He supported military intervention across Africa.

He wanted to bomb Iran and laughed and joked about it.

He backed the war in Bosnia and Kosovo, and supports arming groups with links to Bin Laden

He wanted more intervention in Ukraine, including arming Neo-Nazis that were anti-Russian

He regularly advocated confrontational policies against Russia that were nothing short of lunacy.

He wanted Trump to bomb North Korea

He also wanted confrontational approaches with China.

The man constantly pushed for war and arming dangerous groups worldwide.

His passing is no loss.

He also fought for his country and suffered torture as a POW.

Can you say you have done the same for your country?

Kermit.de.frog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But it was Vietnam's war. Not America's.

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It was part of the geopolitical proxy war with the Soviet Union.

Stopping the spread of communism was very much America's war. No one else was going to do it.

super_furry

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He also fought for his country and suffered torture as a POW.

Can you say you have done the same for your country?

No because my country doesn't go around invading other countries and bombing millions for spurious reasons.

Dohnjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

normal people like myself

Yah. It's the same 5 to 10 people that feel the need to insert their views of Iraq/Vietnam war in every single thread even vaguely related to the US/Russia. They never bring up any other war in any other context, unless it's to bash their target. They aren't anti-war. They just have beef with the history an entire country, which is beyond ridiculous when you think about it.

Want to discuss a Japanese politician? no, this is the internet, you have to hear my bitter diatribe on Japanese crimes in Nanking

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Similar disgust for Clinton?

Plenty of draft dodgers were moral. And in fact Clinton, bush and trump were not draft dodgers but got deferments.

Similar disgust for Clinton? Yes, actually. Though he didn’t call anyone else a coward AFAIK.

Funny how many of these ‘moral’ dodgers had plenty of clout behind them...

zapitastas

He killed men, women and children. Says all you need to know about the man

Dohnjoe

zapitastas wrote: »

He killed men, women and children. Says all you need to know about the man

Yeah that he was a soldier. Been quite a few of them throughout history.

Kermit.de.frog

Easy to have morals when your country has no responsibility.

The western world lives and functions under the protection of the United States which takes that responsibility to defend our interests around the world.

Don't like it?

Try a world dominated by China or Russia and see how things work out for you then. They don't do democracy and this freedom lark.

Junkyard Tom

"I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live" - John McCain.

super_furry

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Easy to have morals when your country has no responsibility.

The western world lives and functions under the protection of the United States which takes that responsibility to defend our interests around the world.

Don't like it?

Try a world dominated by China or Russia and see how things work out for you then. They don't do democracy and this freedom lark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQaH3-LK54

Jesus there are some total pieces of shlt on this site. Enjoy.

JohnMc1

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Disrespectful. Especially someone in his position.

Mc Cain had the last laugh. Obama and Bush will deliver speeches at his funeral and Trump isn't invited.

The sitting President usually doesn't attend funerals. The First Lady and Vice President attend. I'm sure Melania and Mike Pence will be there.

FTA69

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He also fought for his country and suffered torture as a POW.

Can you say you have done the same for your country?

So the only criterion for someone to be considered a good egg now is that they fought in a war and were captured? Absolutely no context matters whatsoever?

metaoblivia

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The sitting President usually doesn't attend funerals. The First Lady and Vice President attend. I'm sure Melania and Mike Pence will be there.

Not in this instance. A major senator of his own party has died - the President would absolutely be expected to attend. For comparison, Obama was president when Ted Kennedy died and Obama not only attended the funeral, he gave the eulogy.

McCain specifically requested that Trump not attend his funeral. That's why we (hopefully) won't see him there.

Mutant z

A neo con warmongering hawk i fail to see what the great sadness is there's been many great people who have passed John McCain certainly wasn't one of them.

Schwanz

Over 80 there can be no surprise in ones death.

Didn't come across as a president but in a country where Reagan and now that plonker Trump is - I suppose he probably could have.

Sal Butamol

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He also fought for his country and suffered torture as a POW.

Can you say you have done the same for your country?

So fcuking what!

Thankfully my country doesn't launch illegal wars and blow innocent men, women and children to bits.

Star Bingo

Your Face wrote: »

He made great chips.

McCain’s oven ready

Sal Butamol

Star Bingo wrote: »

McCain’s oven ready

980 degrees fan oven. 100 mins extra crispy

Galwayguy35

FTA69 wrote: »

So the only criterion for someone to be considered a good egg now is that they fought in a war and were captured? Absolutely no context matters whatsoever?

Yeah that's exactly what I meant all right :rolleyes:

Galwayguy35

super_furry wrote: »

No because my country doesn't go around invading other countries and bombing millions for spurious reasons.

We would never have got our freedom if the likes of you were around 100 years ago, you make me sick criticizing people who put their lives on the line for their country.

Junkyard Tom

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We would never have got our freedom if the likes of you were around 100 years ago, you make me sick criticizing people who put their lives on the line for their country.

Yes, it was awful how the Vietnamese attacked New York and the Americans had to defend themselves by killing millions of Vietnamese people in Vietnam.

Galwayguy35

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Yes, it was awful how the Vietnamese attacked New York and the Americans had to defend themselves by killing millions of Vietnamese people in Vietnam.

He was a soldier back then who was told to fight in Vietnam, you can't blame a soldier for doing his duty.

Blame the Government if you want.

Sal Butamol

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He was a soldier back then who was told to fight in Vietnam, you can't blame a soldier for doing his duty.

Blame the Government if you want.

Just following his orders yeah?

Irish Praetorian

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Yes, it was awful how the Vietnamese attacked New York and the Americans had to defend themselves by killing millions of Vietnamese people in Vietnam.

No, they (North Vietnam) simply invaded a US ally because they couldn't handle losing a million odd of their own population fleeing to the South to escape their tyrannical regime. Also your numbers for people killed by the US is off by a factor of about 10, which isn't to say the US didn't do some scummy things in Vietnam (or rather Indochina) - but there is no need to gild the lily so to speak.

Junkyard Tom

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

people who put their lives on the line for their country.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

you can't blame a soldier for doing his duty.

Just following orders, is it?

WanderlustIre

Don't agree with his political opinion. But be good to him and his clann.

Junkyard Tom

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

No, they (North Vietnam) simply invaded a US ally.

A stooge propped up by the US. It wasn't their business. They were picking up where the French left off. Same imperial bull**** only under a different flag.

Galwayguy35

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Just following his orders yeah?

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Just following orders, is it?

Seeing as both have to be spoonfed yes that would be it