Movies we're supposed to say are good

Autecher

I watched Gangs Of New York last night. I liked it when it first came out but on a rewatch 16 years later i now think it's ****e.

tylercheribini

cliggg wrote: »

I watched Gangs Of New York last night. I liked it when it first came out but on a rewatch 16 years later i now think it's ****e.

Yea bloody awful considering the talent involved.

Greyfox

cliggg wrote: »

I watched Gangs Of New York last night. I liked it when it first came out but on a rewatch 16 years later i now think it's ****e.

Dey Lewis is amazing in it though and makes it an ok film

DEFTLEFTHAND

Lincoln was another borefest of his.

Apparently he was like a living cnut to work with on that film. Made everybodys life a misery on set.

somefeen

The Dark Knight.

Were all supposed to love it because heath ledger died but its actually a crap film.

tylercheribini

somefeen wrote: »

The Dark Knight.

Were all supposed to love it because heath ledger died but its actually a crap film.

I absolutely loved it at the time and went to see it twice in thw cinema but the more I watch it the more I realise how over hyped it was and flawed it is.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ledger is cringeworthy in it tbh.

fryup

alan partridge alpha papa

i love the TV series...but the movie was mildly amusing at best..no laugh out loud moments for me

mynamejeff

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Ledger is cringeworthy in it tbh.

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seriously ?

I know this thread is about opinions and everyone got their own but yours is just wrong there .

If there was a weak character in that film it was Bale. the same ridged and throaty character that was bad last time round.

Ledger created a new and fresh character in the joker . everything from his voice to his movement helped create the character and saved the film .

ledger had made some weepy rom com crap and some formulaic Hollywood much but this and Candy more than anything showed his quality and class as a actor

somefeen

tylercheribini wrote: »

I absolutely loved it at the time and went to see it twice in thw cinema but the more I watch it the more I realise how over hyped it was and flawed it is.

I hate when that happens. Especially if you've spent ten years telling people how great a film it was but then you die of embarrassment when you finally get round to watching it again.

Billy86

mynamejeff wrote: »

ledger had made some weepy rom com crap and some formulaic Hollywood much but this and Candy more than anything showed his quality and class as a actor

Yeah, I remember seeing him cast as the Joker and everyone was laughing their ass off - myself included. Saw the trailer right when it was released, and jesus christ I've never had my mind changed so quickly!

Quality is woeful but it was this one. Literally just from him sitting in the prison cell near the start of it you could tell something was up.

Haven't seen the movie in a good 8 years at least so maybe it doesn't hold up, but that's still my favourite performance in a 'superhero' movie (actually, after Hugh Jackman in Logan).

tylercheribini

somefeen wrote: »

I hate when that happens. Especially if you've spent ten years telling people how great a film it was but then you die of embarrassment when you finally get round to watching it again.

Some toe curlingly clunky dialogue and exposition in it that Nolan is guilty of in a lot of his films. I think another reason it doesnt stand up to repeat viewings is the sense of jeopardy it relies so heavily upon (when The Joker starts initiating his plans for chaos, escaping prison etc) diminishes dramatically when knows the outcomes. I always thought the capture of thr joket was anti climatic even the first time around aswell. Ledgers performance is still commendable though but as Im of a certain vintage ill always prefer Jacks.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I think The Dark Knight Rises retroactively weakened The Dark Knight. It had many of the same flaws but they were more obvious.

tylercheribini

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I think The Dark Knight Rises retroactively weakened The Dark Knight. It had many of the same flaws but they were more obvious.

Yea I always thought The Joker was meant to appear in the third film, hence his survival in The Dark Knight, but after Ledgers death Bane was shoehorned into a rejigged script which frankly showed in its unevenness and plot-hole-riddled nature. I really disliked The Dark Knight Rises upon its release and have never watched it again. Batman Begins still stands the test of time though.

NI24

Heat starring Robert De Niro and Al Pacino.  The most boring, cliche ridden, mopey-white-man movie ever.  And it was a heist film!  How they managed to make a heist film boring I can't understand.  Pacino and De Niro were phoning it in the whole time.

NI24

kunst nugget wrote: »

Seriously, one of the greatest movies ever made and after reading the autobiography of Henry Hill that it was based on, I was even more convinced of its brilliance. Never have I seen a film so perfectly encapsulate a book the way that Goodfellas did.

Unfortunately, that book was a work of fiction. If you really want to know what Henry Hill was like, read his kids' book On the Run: A Mafia Childhood. To give you a sampling, at one point, while in a drug fueled rage, he tried to run his teenage daughter over with his car. She was in her PJs and barefoot and had to run through wild brush to a neighbors house for help.



But that movie is still a work of genius. One of the few I've seen dozens of times and if it's on TV I still get sucked in.

valoren

tylercheribini wrote: »

Yea I always thought The Joker was meant to appear in the third film, hence his survival in The Dark Knight, but after Ledgers death Bane was shoehorned into a rejigged script which frankly showed in its unevenness and plot-hole-riddled nature. I really disliked The Dark Knight Rises upon its release and have never watched it again. Batman Begins still stands the test of time though.

The super hero origin story is always the most interesting. The Dark Knight was simply too long at 2.5 hours long. Any time I've re-watched it plays like a first cut version before the editor is asked to trim it to 2 hours. The whole Lau/Hong Kong/ferry dilemma sub plots were unnecessary. The spine of the plot should have focused primarily on the Joker-Dent-Batman material.

kunst nugget

NI24 wrote: »

Unfortunately, that book was a work of fiction. If you really want to know what Henry Hill was like, read his kids' book On the Run: A Mafia Childhood. To give you a sampling, at one point, while in a drug fueled rage, he tried to run his teenage daughter over with his car. She was in her PJs and barefoot and had to run through wild brush to a neighbors house for help.



But that movie is still a work of genius. One of the few I've seen dozens of times and if it's on TV I still get sucked in.

I'm sure there was plenty of nasty shít that Hill got up to that he didn't include in the book because it would have made him look like the complete asshole he really is. That doesn't really take away from the fact that Scorcese made a note perfect translation of that book to screen, imo.

dmn22

Interstellar. Hard to think of another film so far up its own hole.

tylercheribini

Fight Club although I still havent seen it since its release so maybe worth a reappraisal. I just remember the "twist" being very obvious early on in the film and I generally dont see them coming.

castletownman

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I think The Dark Knight Rises retroactively weakened The Dark Knight. It had many of the same flaws but they were more obvious.

Agree 100%. It aired on RTE a couple of weeks ago and while some the action is cool, the storyline is more clunkier, and the acting "hammy", than I remembered. There was definitely an issue with the sound too, but whether that was the film itself or on RTE's end I am not sure. But genuinely difficult to follow large chunks of the dialogue.

The Joker's escape from the bank in the opening scene is a bit ridiculous. He drives a school bus out into a line of school buses as if nothing had happened.

tylercheribini

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Joker's escape from the bank in the opening scene is a bit ridiculous. He drives a school bus out into a line of school buses as if nothing had happened.

I think the overarching gripe of all of them is they take themselves far too seriously for a frankly fantastical premise. I appreciate Nolan was going for a more grounded-realism approach after the Joel Schumacher trainwreck but they really could have done with a bit less of the po faced monologues. That said I am only nitpicking and I really love the first one and a lot of the second one for all its problems.

the purple tin

GMSA wrote: »

Anything by Quentin Tarantino. Usually a blood and gorefest.

And his dialogue can be downright cringey at times.



Birdman: pretentious, mean spirited, painfully unfunny and not one even semi-likeable character in the whole film.


Pretty much any Marvel movie. They are nowhere near as good as the fans make them out to be, a feeding frenzy of hype.

Ipso

valoren wrote: »

The super hero origin story is always the most interesting. The Dark Knight was simply too long at 2.5 hours long. Any time I've re-watched it plays like a first cut version before the editor is asked to trim it to 2 hours. The whole Lau/Hong Kong/ferry dilemma sub plots were unnecessary. The spine of the plot should have focused primarily on the Joker-Dent-Batman material.

Yeah. I read a chaos theory idea about it before. Batman represents order, Dent is chance and the Joker is chaos.

I still think it's a great film, although the Joker is a bit to omnivorous.
As for Ledgers performance being cringy, the bit where he tells his story to Rachel at the party and his conversation with Dent in the hospital is creepy as f***.

rossie1977

the purple tin wrote: »

Pretty much any Marvel movie. They are nowhere near as good as the fans make them out to be, a feeding frenzy of hype.

Definitely the avengers and civil war fall into this category. Just too many characters on screen that its difficult to focus on what's going on which takes away from the story.

I did enjoy some of standalone marvel films like winter soldier, Dr strange and Ragnarok it has to be said.

Even if you don't enjoy the movies the incredible undertaking of creating the MCU over the past decade and interconnecting each movie is in itself an achievement that might never be matched in cinema.

Sassygirl1999

Oceans 12, scary movie 8

Greyfox

NI24 wrote: »

Heat starring Robert De Niro and Al Pacino.  The most boring, cliche ridden, mopey-white-man movie ever.  And it was a heist film!  How they managed to make a heist film boring I can't understand.  Pacino and De Niro were phoning it in the whole time.

Ah here, seriously what are you talking about? That scene in the cafe is one of the greatest scenes in the history of cinema, perfect writing, perfect acting. Probably the 2 best actors ever at there height of there ability, it's one of the best films ever made

Billy86

rossie1977 wrote: »

Definitely the avengers and civil war fall into this category. Just too many characters on screen that its difficult to focus on what's going on which takes away from the story.

I did enjoy some of standalone marvel films like winter soldier, Dr strange and Ragnarok it has to be said.

Even if you don't enjoy the movies the incredible undertaking of creating the MCU over the past decade and interconnecting each movie is in itself an achievement that might never be matched in cinema.

GOTG was fun (nit bothered to see the second yet) but otherwise I can take or leave marvel movies. Fine to have o in the background if you're cleaning the house etc but they never really old my interest... with one exception: Logan.

It's not even so much a superhero movie as a western/road movie but it's high up the list of my favourites for the entire decade.also has a tonne of blood and guts that marvel tend to avoid, a little reminiscent of the first two Terminator movies in that sense. I really can't recommend it enough.

Greyfox

the purple tin wrote: »

Pretty much any Marvel movie. They are nowhere near as good as the fans make them out to be, a feeding frenzy of hype.

Films like infinity war are what going to the cinema is about, mindblowingly amazing entertainment, great writing and great chemistry with the cast, infinity war is the best film of 2018 by far, most films are dull in comparison to it

Billy86

Greyfox wrote: »

Ah here, seriously what are you talking about? That scene in the cafe is one of the greatest scenes in the history of cinema, perfect writing, perfect acting. Probably the 2 best actors ever at there height of there ability, it's one of the best films ever made

Also one of the all time great shootout scenes and an incredibly menacing antagonist. I preferred both goodfellas and casino (forgot how funny it is when I rewatched a few years back) but heat is fantastic.

leestone

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Agree with all of that except moulin rouge. Musicals are not for everyone but it was enjoyable enough. Chicago was a crap musical though. La la land was good.

Musical theatre nerds like me would say the opposite seems to be a huge dislike to la la land from people who perform on stage

sicknotexi

Natalia Damaged Conductor wrote: »

The Wolf of Wall Street - Just way too sensationalised, the story itself would've been fine.
The Hangover - Only saw the first one, it has its moments but people made it out to be the greatest thing ever at the time.

Both good shouts.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Full Metal Jacket is great for the first half but is boring once they get to Vietnam.

sicknotexi

The Wolf of Wall Street. Some funny scenes but it was a bloated mess of a film, bad casting, twee Goodfellas call backs, bad pacing. Wanted it to be over with an hour to go.

Billy86

sicknotexi wrote: »

The Wolf of Wall Street. Some funny scenes but it was a bloated mess of a film, bad casting, twee Goodfellas call backs, bad pacing. Wanted it to be over with an hour to go.

I kind of enjoyed it but what was amazing was the number of people who loved it and had never seem goodfellas. It's basically a direct copy and paste job of that superior movie to be honest. What really left a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth was that while Henry Hill ordered meatballs and maranara sauce yet all he got was egg noodles and ketchup because he has to love the rest of his life like a shnuck, Jordan belfort literally got to introduce himself as "the baddest mothereffer I've ever met" before going on stage.

I think scorcese was really trying to make a point on that one about white collar crime, but it fell completely flat for me and a lot of friends were a bit hostile towards it because it does come over as celebrating what Belfort did more than anything else.

Jonash Hill was surprisingly pretty great in it though it must be said, and I've a feeling if he is still around for another bit scorcese may be aiming for am "all connected" trilogy with the final one centering on the political world.

TheShockmaster

Gangs of New York is a terrible, terrible movie. Yes, Daniel Day Lewis is entertaining playing Robert de Niro as Bill The Butcher but my god everything and everyone else in it is awful. One of Scorsese's worst films.

The Aviator was horrendous as well.

B.A._Baracus

Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Never got the appeal. Let alone the cult appeal.

Iseedeadpixels

sicknotexi wrote: »

The Wolf of Wall Street. Some funny scenes but it was a bloated mess of a film, bad casting, twee Goodfellas call backs, bad pacing. Wanted it to be over with an hour to go.

No....Just no.

the purple tin

The Ghostbusters remake.

I think it was the first time that you could be called a terrible person for saying that a terrible film was terrible

Very clever but bizarre marketing ploy.

Wibbs

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Never got the appeal. Let alone the cult appeal.

Ditto +1000 Then again musicals on stage or screen* make me want to open my veins and seek solace in oblivion, so I'm not the target audience by a long shot.

Greyfox wrote:

Films like infinity war are what going to the cinema is about,

I'd say more what Hollywood cinema has become. And had to become when the home small screen got bigger with more choice. They're rollercoasters of the screen. Keep it basic in tone, push the right buttons at the right time with spectacle and flash bangs. Mad Max Fury Road is one stunt ballet set piece after another, a chase flic where it's almost entirely about the chase. Nothing wrong with that as a genre either BTW. It is what it is.









*I can tolerate opera, but prefer the greatest hits.

the purple tin

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Never got the appeal. Let alone the cult appeal.

Let's you try cross dressing in public :pac:

the purple tin

rossie1977 wrote: »

Definitely the avengers and civil war fall into this category. Just too many characters on screen that its difficult to focus on what's going on which takes away from the story.

I did enjoy some of standalone marvel films like winter soldier, Dr strange and Ragnarok it has to be said.

Even if you don't enjoy the movies the incredible undertaking of creating the MCU over the past decade and interconnecting each movie is in itself an achievement that might never be matched in cinema.

That is clever yes. Stephen King does it too with certain characters or events popping up in different books.
It means that even if you don't like a certain superhero, you will still go to see their film just to see how it impacts on your favourite character. Also the avengers movies where they bring them all together; should bring in a bigger audience in theory.