Fat Freddy

realdanbreen

Any thoughts? Found guilty of Murder a few minutes ago.

beertons

I thought this was about him losing weight.

Outlaw Pete

Enjoy your stay.

dbas

Put him in a cell with Rattigan. That'll save the country a few bob

Your Face

Over-priced

major bill

Prison Sequel to Freddie got fingered

benny79

well he was never going to be found innocent now was he!

enricoh

Meh, enjoy rotting away Freddie. The sooner the cops get one of them to go supergrass on the kinahans the better

Zebra3

Glad to hear the family and friends of the victim got justice.

smelly sock

I wonder did his mates and gang call him fat freddy to his face?

King of Kings

the evidence was flimsy ...regardless of who he is and his reputation...to get a life sentence on that evidence makes a joke of our justice system.
The standard of proof is very low at random times when it suits the court.

smelly sock

King of Kings wrote: »

the evidence was flimsy ...regardless of who he is and his reputation...to get a life sentence on that evidence makes a joke of our justice system.
The standard of proof is very low at random times when it suits the court.

It makes a joke of it almost as much as Larry Murphys sentence.


Fxxk Fat Freddy. Dogs on the street know he was guilty.



Don't lose sleep about it.

benny79

King of Kings wrote: »

the evidence was flimsy ...regardless of who he is and his reputation...to get a life sentence on that evidence makes a joke of our justice system.
The standard of proof is very low at random times when it suits the court.

Were you in court? Did you hear all the evidence? I agree the sentences are a joke.. but there was enough evidence to convict him which they obvious did.

P.S Don't believe everything you read in the papers

realdanbreen

Is it too late for FF to go supergrass?

Edgware

King of Kings wrote: »

the evidence was flimsy ...regardless of who he is and his reputation...to get a life sentence on that evidence makes a joke of our justice system.
The standard of proof is very low at random times when it suits the court.

It doesnt say much for his taxpayer funded solicitor, junior counsel and senior counsel if he was convicted so. I have no doubt that they will hit a few more pay days in the Court of Criminal Appeal.

fleet_admiral

No need to body shame him op

Edgware

fleet_admiral wrote: »

No need to body shame him op

Ya. Even murderers have feelings and we shouldnt hurt his feelings. He probably have insecurities because of his fat head already

biko

Who?


A link would not go amiss.

deco nate

biko wrote: »

Who?


A link would not go amiss.

Fat Freddys cat was the best.

hatrickpatrick

Personally I don't approve of the Special Criminal Court at all, but I'm glad to see this scumbag behind bars. It's not so much about this case though - he should have got a longer sentence for the previous crimes he was convicted of in the 2000s. He had 29 previous convictions for gang related crime and general violent thuggery, that in and of itself should be enough to jail someone for the rest of their life. He shouldn't have been out at the time that this offence was committed.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fat-freddie-profile-30957226.html

A description of the life this guy has led. Murder or no murder, people like this shouldn't be welcome in Irish society.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not saying I believe he's not guilty of the murder he's just been 'convicted' of, I just don't believe in a trial which doesn't involve a randomly selected, impartial jury.

Faugheen

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Personally I don't approve of the Special Criminal Court at all, but I'm glad to see this scumbag behind bars. It's not so much about this case though - he should have got a longer sentence for the previous crimes he was convicted of in the 2000s. He had 29 previous convictions for gang related crime and general violent thuggery, that in and of itself should be enough to jail someone for the rest of their life. He shouldn't have been out at the time that this offence was committed.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fat-freddie-profile-30957226.html

A description of the life this guy has led. Murder or no murder, people like this shouldn't be welcome in Irish society.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not saying I believe he's not guilty of the murder he's just been 'convicted' of, I just don't believe in a trial which doesn't involve a randomly selected, impartial jury.

Yeah, with no possibility of that randomly selected impartial jury being threatened and possibly having to enter witness protection when Fat Freddie's cronies find out who they are and where they live if they find someone guilty?

If you can't understand why the Special Criminal Court is in place then I suggest you read up on it instead of being sympathetic towards scummy gangsters. You can dress it up whatever way you want, but you're more concerned about the SCC rather than Freddie being put away which is a little alarming in my opinion.

hatrickpatrick

Faugheen wrote: »

Yeah, with no possibility of that randomly selected impartial jury being threatened and possibly having to enter witness protection when Fat Freddie's cronies find out who they are and where they live if they find someone guilty?

If you can't understand why the Special Criminal Court is in place then I suggest you read up on it instead of being sympathetic towards scummy gangsters. You can dress it up whatever way you want, but you're more concerned about the SCC rather than Freddie being put away which is a little alarming in my opinion.

I understand why it's in place, but I believe that the principle of trial by an impartial jury is too fundamental to ever compromise on. I've always thought that an anonymous jury would be a better way to handle things - but the idea of judges, who as members of the political establishment do tend to have an agenda, deciding guilt or innocence without any input from a jury is, in my view, profoundly undemocratic,

I'm absolutely glad that Freddie has been put away for the reasons I've already stated. He should have been in jail already anyway, regardless of whether he's guilty in this case.

harry Bailey esq

realdanbreen wrote: »

Any thoughts? Found guilty of Murder a few minutes ago.

Keeping the head down in there, he'll be out in 9 with time served. Baldy c*nt.

hatrickpatrick

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Keeping the head down in there, he'll be out in 9 with time served. Baldy c*nt.

Even with that worst case scenario, surely doing nine years in jail pretty much obliterates one's gangland "social network"? The entire landscape of that underworld will be utterly different by the time he gets out, with many of the current crop likely either murdered or jailed and new crews emerging to take their place.

Even if he does get out too soon, the passing of time and separation from the "scene" could essentially neuter his ability to play an active part. One can hope, anyway...

JohnnyFlash

How do Mr. Big and Billy Baked Beans manage to keep out of this 'feud'?

Hammer89

benny79 wrote: »

Were you in court? Did you hear all the evidence? I agree the sentences are a joke.. but there was enough evidence to convict him which they obvious did.

P.S Don't believe everything you read in the papers

You only know there was enough evidence because of the papers

chicorytip

hatrickpatrick wrote:

Even with that worst case scenario, surely doing nine years in jail pretty much obliterates one's gangland "social network"? The entire landscape of that underworld will be utterly different by the time he gets out, with many of the current crop likely either murdered or jailed and new crews emerging to take their place.

hatrickpatrick wrote:

Even if he does get out too soon, the passing of time and separation from the "scene" could essentially neuter his ability to play an active part. One can hope, anyway...

Nine years, or whatever, won't be long enough to obliterate the memories of his enemies so he will be a marked man both in prison and whenever he is released.

realdanbreen

How clever is FF I wonder. I mean flying back into Belfast when he knew he was a wanted/hunted man was strange to say the least.

Guy:Incognito

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

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EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not saying I believe he's not guilty of the murder he's just been 'convicted' of, I just don't believe in a trial which doesn't involve a randomly selected, impartial jury.

That's easy to say until your the poor randomly selected ****er that has to find a nutter from a drug gang or terrorist group guilty of murdering a few people.you think they put much value on the life of a juror?

Edit. Beaten too it.

benny79

Hammer89 wrote: »

You only know there was enough evidence because of the papers

You reckon? :rolleyes:

Brian Meehan is locked up 20 and hasn't got parole yet and it still doesn't look like he will be getting out any time soon. Fat Freddie will be no different.. If I was a betting man id say he will die in prison.

ohnonotgmail

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Keeping the head down in there, he'll be out in 9 with time served. Baldy c*nt.

Not sure where you are getting 9 years from. the average life sentence at the moment is 22 years. not a hope in hell of him getting out after 9.

sbsquarepants

benny79 wrote: »

You reckon? :rolleyes:

Brian Meehan is locked up 20 and hasn't got parole yet and it still doesn't look like he will be getting out any time soon. Fat Freddie will be no different.. If I was a betting man id say he will die in prison.

Every cloud has a silver lining benny, at least he'll have a bit of time to spend with his son now!

benny79

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Every cloud has a silver lining benny, at least he'll have a bit of time to spend with his son now!

Yea Karma really is a bitch

Should of happened years ago though imo The damage that man done.. As that programme said last night if this was in Dalkey none of this would be aloud go on.. Corruption in this country is unnatural from politicians, the police force, gangsters and the bankers there all as bad as each other and just out for what they can get.. Pure Greed.. how much we have fallen as Irish people.. It really saddenings me..