Obese model on Cosmo

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

I think she's very hot.....

being attracted to that qualifies as a weird body fetish

How Soon Is Now

Tess Holliday.....

Hearing that name makes me feel little sick!

Everything about that woman is vile.

Hitman3000

Shenshen wrote:

The person you quoted runs 5 times a week. If they say that they're in no shape to ever tackle a marathon due to their physical constraints, it's a bit rich to claim they haven't tried.

It was Meeeh who said they run 5 times a week. The rest of your reply is something you made up. Their post is still there no mention of physical constraints.

Hitman3000

LirW wrote:

Maybe some people don't even want to tackle a Marathon and are quite happy with the 20, 30 or 50k they're doing every week because that's what suits them best with their schedule.

That's fine no issue with that. That however is not the point I made .

Star Bingo

sydthebeat wrote: »

I think she's very hot.....

I honestly thought you meant she was very, very warm or something. I dunno it just didn’t compute

bucketybuck

Some of you people should wander down to the Dublin marathon at the end of October, you will see a whole range of people making their way around the course, it might open your eyes a little.

Male, female, skinny, fat, young, old. Its crazy, you'll see old, fat women running a marathon, how is it even possible...

Scoffing at the idea of running a marathon is the same as scoffing at the idea that people can lose weight. Sure, it takes discipline and it won't always be as fun as sitting on your ass eating chocolate. But it is possible, if you want to.

La.de.da

I think her image is contributing to people having body image issues just as much as a thinner model. It's all an industry.

Absolutely being that big isn't healthy. Carrying that much weight is no easy task.
Unfortunately for some food is their addiction. And it's a bloody hard one to break. You get used to being comforted/rewarded with food.

Hitman3000

bucketybuck wrote:

Male, female, skinny, fat, young, old. Its crazy, you'll see old, fat women running a marathon, how is it even possible...

Old fat men too, don't want to be accused of being sexist. Well said btw.

B0jangles

Hitman3000 wrote: »

No one is prefect, but you don't assume you can't do something unless you try. It's easy to sit back and munch another chocolate and say I can't lose weight it's genetic.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Some of you people should wander down to the Dublin marathon at the end of October, you will see a whole range of people making their way around the course, it might open your eyes a little.

Male, female, skinny, fat, young, old. Its crazy, you'll see old, fat women running a marathon, how is it even possible...

Scoffing at the idea of running a marathon is the same as scoffing at the idea that people can lose weight. Sure, it takes discipline and it won't always be as fun as sitting on your ass eating chocolate. But it is possible, if you want to.

Who else hadn't realised the only two options were 1. Run marathons or 2. Sit on ass eating chocolate.


I feel robbed- where the hell is all my chocolate?

bucketybuck

B0jangles wrote: »

Who else hadn't realised the only two options were 1. Run marathons or 2. Sit on ass eating chocolate.


I feel robbed- where the hell is all my chocolate?

Nice strawman.

Dismiss the thought with a lazy quip, taking the easy option in other words. How surprising.

Triceratops Ballet

Malayalam wrote:

Damn you men, and yer stable hormonal profiles!!!

Amen, what I wouldn't give for that. I find in a given month I'll only be able to drop weight for 2.5 weeks then the week before my period my weight is static, week of its up 2/3 kg. Despite, tracking my food religiosly and training 4/5 times a week. Its easy for some to saunter in with their muscle building testosterone and their lower general b/f percentage and insist it's easy for all of us cos it's easy for them. Feckin estrogen man it actively encourages the body to store fat, that why all those gym dudes will tell you not to eat soya bro!

Hitman3000

B0jangles wrote:

Who else hadn't realised the only two options were 1. Run marathons or 2. Sit on ass eating chocolate.

Cool strawman.

B0jangles

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Cool strawman.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Nice strawman.

Dismiss the thought with a lazy quip, taking the easy option in other words. How surprising.

Lol, great minds and all that
You were the ones who brought up the marathons or chocolate pairing, not me.


I'd be more of the opinion that there is a very wide range of activities and food choices people can make that suit their lives and long-term health aspirations.

As it happens, I walk an average of 50 miles (that's 80k btw) per week.
I don't usually bring it up because I generally find that other people's exercise habits are extraordinarily boring to hear about.

Malayalam

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Amen, what I wouldn't give for that. I find in a given month I'll only be able to drop weight for 2.5 weeks then the week before my period my weight is static, week of its up 2/3 kg. Despite, tracking my food religiosly and training 4/5 times a week. Its easy for some to saunter in with their muscle building testosterone and their lower general b/f percentage and insist it's easy for all of us cos it's easy for them. Feckin estrogen man it actively encourages the body to store fat, that why all those gym dudes will tell you not to eat soya bro!

Hehe yeah, monthly moon face plus puffy boobs My husband gets a belly sometimes and says, hmmm I think I'll give up the oul milk, and 2 weeks later he is a stone lighter. Damn them to hell, I say.

Hitman3000

B0jangles wrote:

Lol, great minds and all that You were the ones who brought up the marathons or chocolate pairing, not me.

You're the one that created your own argument to argue against, not me

gormdubhgorm

Sonics2k wrote: »

What's really, really bad, is this anti-Doctor, anti-Science approach (like vaccines) that being overweight is 'healthy'. It's not, you will probably die young. Heart disease, diabetes, gout, muscle issues, weak bones are all problems with being overweight.

Agreed.

Hitman3000

B0jangles wrote:

I'd be more of the opinion that there is a very wide range of activities and food choices people can make that suit their lives and long-term health aspirations.

Btw my wife on the other hand has dropped 4 dress sizes by simply watching her diet. She is no more active now than she was before she lost the weight. It's just a matter of will. But hey I guess it's easier to make an excuse as opposed to an effort.

The Princess Bride

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

I've just started two weeks of steroids. I can just imagine the crazy emotional spotty hairy wreck I'm going to be, with an increased appetite too. God help the person who comes between me and chocolate for the next two weeks!

Your story is completely different though.
You've an illness which is known to play havoc with people.

Very few people can hold steroids responsible for their carrying unwanted kilos, or dozens of kilos like that model.
It's quite simply a case of eating too much/eating crap food/not enough exercise.
Too many excuses.

B0jangles

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Btw my wife on the other hand has dropped 4 dress sizes by simply watching her diet. She is no more active now than she was before she lost the weight. It's just a matter of will. But hey I guess it's easier to make an excuse as opposed to an effort.

Why are you so determined to make everything so black and white?

People are complicated; it really isn't as simple as 'I choose to do X therefore I will now do X', unless maybe you are a robot.

You've described your experiences; other people have described theirs but for some reason your experiences are a cast-iron template that everyone can definitely repeat with the same results, whereas their experiences are dismissed as excuses, or just plain wrong.
Do you not see the problem with this thought-process?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

She is jaw-droppingly large, has she actually gotten bigger in the last couple of years?

This whole body positivity thing went a bit wrong in relation to obese people, due in no small part to the efforts of Ms Holiday herself. The message that fat people are deserving of the same respect and decent behaviour as other people; that fatness is no reflection on intelligence, moral fibre, work ethic; that medication, hormonal disorders, underlying health issues can make it far easier to gain weight and harder to lose it; and generally just don't be a cnut to fat people, that's great, I love that. But it's morphed into "how dare you say I'm not healthy and I DEMAND you think I'm beautiful. Ps buy my t-shirt", and that's sad. I love the way she only wants to eff that one beauty standard, not the ones that tell you to be heavily made up, on trend, spend a fortune on the hair on your head, buy stuff to remove your body hair etc. Those ones are all fine?

It's not a coincidence that Fat Acceptance started taking off in the late 2000s though, it wouldn't have caught on so much if the context hadn't been so bad. The level of scrutiny about celebrities' bodies and the viciousness of it was mental. Dangerously, dangerously thin women like Nicole Richie, Lindsay Lohan, Alexa Chung, poor auld Amy Winehouse were constantly in the press, for being dangerously thin. Someone like, say Jennifer Lawrence probably would have had to be constantly justifying her body. It was very, very easy to start falling down a rabbit hole as a girl or young woman back then.

The thing is, at the end of the day, being a fashion model isn't just or even mostly about being attractive, most of the catwalk models are a bit odd looking, a lot of them talk about being bullied for their appearance at school. It's about making clothes look good. Most clothes, especially couture (as in dresses costing five figures, which drive the profile and prestige of the fashion houses) look better on very tall, very thin women, there's been decades of being conditioned to expect to see that body.

I remember a furore a few years ago (2013 or thereabouts) about a model in a magazine, she was photographed in profile, sitting down, and her stomach had few little folds. She was slim, fit, gorgeous, but that was scandalous. To me that's a good illustration of why more "normal" or "real" bodies should be shown. Tess is not normal or healthy or inspirational, she's very very dangerously fat.

TerrorFirmer

I think she is disgusting. She's not just overweight, she's a monument to utter gluttony - and she wants to actually promote that as 'normal'. Her arms are the width of a normal persons waist. Her thighs have rolls.

And that's fine, if she's happy, but to sort of advocate this as 'normal' and imply that she wants to be a role model to fat youth and support the idea that being like this is perfectly fine, and normalise it, is grossly inappropriate....and calling those who don't agree with your public platform 'haters' and 'shamers'.

Imagine the magazine cover was an emaciated skeleton with sunken cheek bones, skin stretched taut over skin, arms and legs scarely wider than the bones under the flesh....and the article was promoting this as an acceptable body type that should be embraced and celebrated, 'haters' be damned. Because either is about as healthy as the other, but only one is being pushed as acceptable these days....obviously no coincidence that obesity is rampant in the first world.

This implication that being grossly obese has little to no bearing on your health and wellbeing? That's like someone who smokes 40 cigerattes or polishes off a bottle of whiskey on a daily basis claiming that neither have any impact on their health because their last physical went well.

Signore Fancy Pants

She makes me a want a chipper for dinner tonight.

Hitman3000

B0jangles wrote:

You've described your experiences; other people have described theirs but for some reason your experiences are a cast-iron template that everyone can definitely repeat with the same results, whereas their experiences are dismissed as excuses, or just plain wrong. Do you not see the problem with this thought-process?

I don't see a problem with my thought process at all. I've had to put in a physical effort to lose weight whereas my wife just put down the fork. I do however see on a daily basis a multitude of reasons justifying a behaviour which is damaging to the individual and also to society.

Hitman3000

B0jangles wrote:

Why are you so determined to make everything so black and white?

Believe it or not something's are just black and white, it's that simple.

B0jangles

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Believe it or not something's are just black and white, it's that simple.

Have you considered that something which is a very simple choice to you might be a very difficult one for someone else?

Edgware

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Btw my wife on the other hand has dropped 4 dress sizes by simply watching her diet. She is no more active now than she was before she lost the weight. It's just a matter of will. But hey I guess it's easier to make an excuse as opposed to an effort.

"no more active than she was before she lost the weight"
Does she just lie there?

Hitman3000

B0jangles wrote:

Have you considered that something which is a very simple choice to you might be a very difficult one for someone else?

Actually I believe people have a simple chioce. Consume more than your body requires you will get fat. Its how the body works. It's a genetic thing storing fat for the lean times. If you don't want to get fat, just consume what calories your body needs. Obesity is being normalised and anyone voicing an objection is getting pilloried for doing so. Obesity places a cost on all society whether you wish to accept that or not.

sydthebeat

glasso wrote: »

being attracted to that qualifies as a weird body fetish

Yeah, certainly wouldn't be the first time I've heard that....

Ah well....

Beanntraigheach

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Imagine how hard it is for guys like me. I know she's unhealthy, but I find her super hot, too. "Girl, I'll support you trying to lose weight and getting healthier, for you...but don't, 'cause I love your jiggle." Constant struggle. Genuinely would rather Tess sit on my face than Scarlett Johansson.

Malayalam

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

Hahahahahahah

B0jangles

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Actually I believe people have a simple chioce. Consume more than your body requires you will get fat. Its how the body works. It's a genetic thing storing fat for the lean times. If you don't want to get fat, just consume what calories your body needs. Obesity is being normalised and anyone voicing an objection is getting pilloried for doing so. Obesity places a cost on all society whether you wish to accept that or not.

So we're back to pretending people operate as logically as machines, grand.


It's rubbish of course, but it does makes judging them so much easier and more satisfying.

sydthebeat

Bootlegger wrote: »

I can already see the next article on her...

'Radical fat activist, and minor celebrity, Tess Holiday was found dead in her hotel room yesterday. The cause of death has yet to be confirmed but it is reported that Ms Holiday had complained of chest pains earlier in the day to her psychiatrist.

When asked if Ms Holiday's weight and lifestyle were contributing factors in her death, Dr Marcus Privligeson of the Von Whitemans Institue, pointed to his young female intern and said 'well let's just say I don't worry about this one dropping dead suddenly, not even in the middle of "strenuous activity."' This last remark elicted a playful squeal of 'stop it doctor!' from the attractive young women. The handsome doctor laughed and winked.

An extra wide, reinforced coffin has reportedly been ordered in order to accomadate...'

Of... You could just see the obituary of Brittany Murphy.......

bucketybuck

B0jangles wrote: »

So we're back to pretending people operate as logically as machines, grand.


It's rubbish of course, but it does makes judging them so much easier and more satisfying.

Have you anything to say that isn't a strawman argument?

B0jangles

bucketybuck wrote: »

Have you anything to say that isn't a strawman argument?

Not serious answer: Hmm, shall I answer this post or wait for Hitman3000 to make an almost identical one in a couple of minutes?


Serious answer: I have made several responses to the wider question; if you search the thread you'll be able to see them.

Infini

Honestly think this is stupid it's same shít different day stuff, she's not a healthy weight and this shouldn't be encouraged anymore than the stick thin girls either. Need to promote NORMAL weight, HEALTHY weight, encourage people to look after themselves and not focus too much on their image but on their overall health.

silverharp

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Its simple if you need 2k calories to function everyday and maintain present weight, consuming 2.5k but still only expending 2k will lead to an increasing surplus ie weight gain.

doesnt tell me anything that everyone doesnt know. here is how it can go, you put someone on a strict diet say 1500C they lose some weight, meanwhile their body works off the new budget, then they stop losing weight, what are you going to say?physics? it doesnt sort out the issue

GarIT

silverharp wrote: »

doesnt tell me anything that everyone doesnt know. here is how it can go, you put someone on a strict diet say 1500C they lose some weight, meanwhile their body works off the new budget, then they stop losing weight, what are you going to say?physics? it doesnt sort out the issue

That doesn't happen

meeeeh

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Believe it or not something's are just black and white, it's that simple.

It's also about 90% chance your wife will put back her weight. That's how black and white things are.

Star Bingo

I still can’t believe she rolled off the printing press

Hitman3000

B0jangles wrote:

So we're back to pretending people operate as logically as machines, grand.

Back to a strawman as far as I can see.

Hitman3000

meeeeh wrote:

It's also about 90% chance your wife will put back her weight. That's how black and white things are.

Considering she's kept it off for 4 years plus i'd say there's a good chance she won't.

Hitman3000

silverharp wrote:

doesnt tell me anything that everyone doesnt know.

Take a walk around a busy shopping precinct, it would appear not everyone knows.

B0jangles

B0jangles wrote: »

Not serious answer: Hmm, shall I answer this post or wait for Hitman3000 to make an almost identical one in a couple of minutes?.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Back to a strawman as far as I can see.

Seems I should have waited!

meeeeh

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Considering she's kept it off for 4 years plus i'd say there's a good chance she won't.

Ah sorry I forgot you two are a perfect couple.

Star Bingo

Does anyone think it will hinder sales?

Magazines aren’t supposed to be folded before they’ve left the shelf

Hitman3000

meeeeh wrote:

Ah sorry I forgot you two are a perfect couple.

Never said we were, just offered highlighted the difference in losing weight. Why not respond to my comment instead of making a personal comment?

endacl

B0jangles wrote: »

Who else hadn't realised the only two options were 1. Run marathons or 2. Sit on ass eating chocolate.


I feel robbed- where the hell is all my chocolate?

Compromise.

Hitman3000

endacl wrote:

Compromise.

Better to try and run one instead of eating 10. ; )

B0jangles

endacl wrote: »

Compromise.

Just think, if they still existed you could go around talking loudly how you 'finished' 14 marathons just this week!

Star Bingo

Broad wouldn’t look out of place flapping then wings at my local Jack Pott’s