The Donald is perhaps definitely kinda NOT coming to Ireland

JohnMc1

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

but promoting institutionalised violence..?

What do you think Antifa do? The fact that they constantly show up with their faces covered,brandishing weapons would clue in anyone with a brain that they're not this peaceful group that the media tries to make them out to be. They attack anyone that doesn't fit their narrative. They rioted in Berkley when Milo and Ben Shapiro were scheduled to speak at Berkley. They tried to attack people just recently at a Pro Police rally. We need to call Antifa what they are a Terrorist group.

Skylinehead

vladmydad wrote: »

There is no such thing as right wing fascism. It was a left wing movement. Anti capitalist, pro big government, anti free speech, identity politics. All left wing.

Why is it only right-wing groups that like the Nazis then? Hmm.

You've also conveniently left out the inherent social conservatism of fascism, the rejection of equality...sounding pretty right wing to me.

Accepted definition for 70 years now is that fascism was right-wing (with caveats), you ain't changing it now to suit your own purposes.

Such an overused word these days.

RasTa

JohnMc1 wrote: »

What do you think Antifa do? The fact that they constantly show up with their faces covered,brandishing weapons would clue in anyone with a brain that they're not this peaceful group that the media tries to make them out to be. They attack anyone that doesn't fit their narrative. They rioted in Berkley when Milo and Ben Shapiro were scheduled to speak at Berkley. They tried to attack people just recently at a Pro Police rally. We need to call Antifa what they are a Terrorist group.

Do you live in America or something?

Autochange

Burn their flags and remove their masks and balaclavas.

We don't want or need them here.

Irish Kings

vladmydad wrote: »

There is no such thing as right wing fascism.

rubbish, fascists left or right are still fascists.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

JohnMc1 wrote: »

What do you think Antifa do? The fact that they constantly show up with their faces covered,brandishing weapons would clue in anyone with a brain that they're not this peaceful group that the media tries to make them out to be. They attack anyone that doesn't fit their narrative. They rioted in Berkley when Milo and Ben Shapiro were scheduled to speak at Berkley. They tried to attack people just recently at a Pro Police rally. We need to call Antifa what they are a Terrorist group.

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

please don't quote me if you want to carry it on amongst yourselves

JohnMc1

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

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Why am I not surprised you can't or won't answer. Just because they call themselves anti-fascists doesn't mean they don't is fascist like tactics.

Irish Kings

Originally Posted by Princess Consuela Bananahammock View Post
please don't quote me if you want to carry it on amongst yourselves

You want to post claims, but you don't want any of your claims challenged? That's not now free discussion works.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Why am I not surprised you can't or won't answer. Just because they call themselves anti-fascists doesn't mean they don't is fascist like tactics.

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Where did I say anyone left-wing can't be fascist?

Whether or not they have a conversely fascist ideaology is a viewpoint ... that and am not nessecarily disagreeing with.

Irish Kings wrote: »

You want to post claims, but you don't want any of your claims challenged? That's not now free discussion works.

.... but I never made said claims as proven above.

Now seeing as people are incapable of reading what I've clearly written, I'm out of here. PM if you want to take it further.

JohnMc1

Irish Kings wrote: »

You want to post claims, but you don't want any of your claims challenged? That's not now free discussion works.

The Modern Left are all about Free Speech until they hear something [or read something in this instance] they don't like.

Irish Kings

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I said Anti-Fa are an anti-fascsist organisation.

No, they are a left wing fascist organisation.

What's your next claim the NSDP, were nationalist, socialist and democratic ?

The DPRK, is a democratic people's republic ?

tretorn

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/kathy-sheridan-trump-s-business-identity-no-mask-for-spiteful-incivility-1.3610466

This was the article written by this anti trump hysterical twit.

Basically Mc Cain ordered that Trump wasnt to go to his funeral. I know that the man had a brain tumour but seriously who would be bothered when they are dying about who turns up to your funeral. Its so arrogant to think you are that important that the world cares enough about who comes to say goodbye to you. Its also an act of pettyness as you leave the world and anyway you cant exactly stop anyone turning up at a public place of worship.

Trump was right not to go and not to engage except to say sorry for your troubles. What more could the ban say after he was humiliated by a dying person in the worlds media.

The media also made a big deal about Trump keeping the queen waiting when he was in the UK, this was made up nonsense and thanks to Social Media Trump can by pass the media and get his words out there in spite of the media ganging up on him.

I dont know what the Americans would think of the irish medias portrayal of Trump. Would we like our President portrayed as some half witted leprechaun. DT didnt roll into Washington in an armoured carrier, he is President because he won the vote the same way as every other American President got into office, the media portrayed the win as if the voting was manipulated to get DT in. One of the main reasons DT got in was because the American people couldnt stomach Clinton, cue for the feminists to howl. Also why shouldnt someone in Trumps family put themselves forward for election. Our of the millions of US voters why did we have to have another Clinton, did we not have enough of the Clintons already.

Captain Obvious

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Modern Left are all about Free Speech until they hear something [or read something in this instance] they don't like.

So, the modern left is the same as the modern right?

JohnMc1

Captain Obvious wrote: »

So, the modern left is the same as the modern right?

The Right haven't attacked anyone or threatened businesses for patronizing Democrats or for donating to the Democrat Party. They also don't riot when Liberal speakers are scheduled to give speeches.

RasTa

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Right haven't attacked anyone or threatened businesses for patronizing Democrats or for donating to the Democrat Party. They also don't riot when Liberal speakers are scheduled to give speeches.

Again, we live in Ireland. Not sure about yourself

Oops69

So Hypocrite Leo can't court the hipsters vote with this issue like he did with the marriage equality and repeal the eight campaigns , So the Greens and and Labour are trying to do so now by calling for protests .... no calling for protests about 10,000 homeless or the appaling health service though from these two vote whoring parties .

vladmydad

Nixonbot wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

There is no such thing as right wing fascism. It was a left wing movement. Anti capitalist, pro big government, anti free speech, identity politics. All left wing.

Why is it only right-wing groups that like the Nazis then? Hmm.

You've also conveniently left out the inherent social conservatism of fascism, the rejection of equality...sounding pretty right wing to me.

Accepted definition for 70 years now is that fascism was right-wing (with caveats), you ain't changing it now to suit your own purposes.

Such an overused word these days.

I’m sorry but the fascist movement in Germany was on the left of the political spectrum. Conservativism is about the individual, free markets, democracy, anti big government, free speech. There are was no social conservativism in the Third Reich. It was very anti religious and equality was not respected anywhere in the the world then. Also today’s inheritors of fascism, the left, have unfortunately continued their awful anti-semitism . Just look at the uk Labour Party.

Skylinehead

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m sorry but the fascist movement in Germany was on the left of the political spectrum. Conservativism is about the individual, free markets, democracy, anti big government, free speech. There are was no social conservativism in the Third Reich. It was very anti religious and equality was not respected anywhere in the the world then. Also today’s inheritors of fascism, the left, have unfortunately continued their awful anti-semitism . Just look at the uk Labour Party.

Like I said, accepted for 70 years, I'm not going to listen to some internet head on how it's actually different.

Galwayguy35

O Riordain and Boyd Barrett were crying about the visit on Twitter, anything that annoys those two makes my day.

Taytoland

Irish Kings wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

You would think Trump never got a single vote the way some in American media and in this part of the world go on about him. He received a huge mandate on the electoral college and millions of votes. They saw Trump as the best option available to them, that's it.

It's funny all the ultra intolerant and liberal "tolerant liberals" only accept democratic decisions when it suits them.

It's also pretty telling that they think by attacking the clown that is trump personally all day long, they can think they can ignore the actual reasons people voted for him, and the reasons people distrust them and the media even more than they distrust trump. They and the media think ordinary public are stupid, and don't see what's going on. They are going to be in for an even bigger shock in the next election so.

Funny how they say nothing on Merkel and Macron.

Captain Obvious

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Right haven't attacked anyone or threatened businesses for patronizing Democrats or for donating to the Democrat Party. They also don't riot when Liberal speakers are scheduled to give speeches.

Yes they have.

.243

Captain Obvious wrote: »

And? Putting your child in a vulnerable position does not excuse the actions of the person who took advantage of them. If you want to criticise the parents for bringing their child along that's fine. But it in no way excuses the treatment Trumps administration subjected them to.

which was brought in by clinton (not trump),was enforced then by bush(not trump),then was enforced by obama (not trump),but trump comes into power with a law already established and gets rid of it but hes still to blame :rolleyes:

Captain Obvious

.243 wrote: »

which was brought in by clinton (not trump),was enforced then by bush(not trump),then was enforced by obama (not trump),but trump comes into power with a law already established and gets rid of it but hes still to blame :rolleyes:

Did Fox "News" tell you that?

Taytoland

.243 wrote: »

Captain Obvious wrote: »

And? Putting your child in a vulnerable position does not excuse the actions of the person who took advantage of them. If you want to criticise the parents for bringing their child along that's fine. But it in no way excuses the treatment Trumps administration subjected them to.

which was brought in by clinton (not trump),was enforced then by bush(not trump),then was enforced by obama (not trump),but trump comes into power with a law already established and gets rid of it but hes still to blame :rolleyes:

Obama bombing all those children, not a word said about it. Obama expanding spying on American citizens and thus breaching the liberty of American citizens, not a word said about it.

Captain Obvious

Taytoland wrote: »

Obama bombing all those children, not a word said about it. Obama expanding spying on American citizens and thus breaching the liberty of American citizens, not a word said about it.

There was plenty said about it at the time. They were pretty major issues. I'm surprised you are only finding out about them now.

Taytoland

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Obama bombing all those children, not a word said about it. Obama expanding spying on American citizens and thus breaching the liberty of American citizens, not a word said about it.

There was plenty said about it at the time. They were pretty major issues. I'm surprised you are only finding out about them now.

No outrage, no calls for impeachment by hysterical establishment left wingers.  Double standards is all it is.

.243

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Did Fox "News" tell you that?

no a thing called "facts" did,

JohnMc1

Taytoland wrote: »

No outrage, no calls for impeachment by hysterical establishment left wingers.  Double standards is all it is.

If it wasn't for Double standards the Left wouldn't have any.

Captain Obvious

Taytoland wrote: »

No outrage, no calls for impeachment by hysterical establishment left wingers. Double standards is all it is.

But there was outrage. Lots of it. There wasn't call for impeachment but then, Obama didn't obstruct justice, collude with hostile foreign powers or lie every time he spoke.

.243 wrote: »

no a thing called "facts" did,

Must be some of those alternative facts the right is so fond of.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

If it wasn't for Double standards the Left wouldn't have any.

Are you sure you aren't a satirical AI?

SEPT 23 1989

The thing about it is as a 40+ man who was a liberal in his youth drink drugs unmarried father etc

I am now lumped into being "right wing" because I don't agree with the direction society is taking

Right wing to me then were very nasty bastards skinhead,boots violence BNP combat 18 that were around at the time

Am I now right wing according to today's standards?

.243

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Must be some of those alternative facts the right is so fond of.

no just actual facts,you can look them up yourself

Clinton Administration: The 1997 Flores Settlement says unaccompanied children who are caught at the border can only be held in immigrant detention for up to 20 days (this was later expanded to include children accompanied by their parents). After that they must be released to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers or the "least restrictive" setting, in that order. The Trump administration has said it wants to see the settlement overturned.

George W. Bush Administration: In 2008, President George W. Bush signed the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act into law, which required unaccompanied minors from non-neighboring countries (all countries except Mexico and Canada) to be turned over the Department of Health and Human Services for resettlement within three days.

Obama Administration: In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released.

Irish Kings

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The thing about it is as a 40+ man who was a liberal in his youth drink drugs unmarried father etc

I am now lumped into being "right wing" because I don't agree with the direction society is taking

Right wing to me then were very nasty bastards skinhead,boots violence BNP combat 18 that were around at the time

Am I now right wing according to today's standards?

Not all so called right wing policies are bad, not all so called left wing polices are bad.
In identity politics today, people are not allowed to think for themselves or disagree with what they are told to think. Instead of taking each policy or proposal on it's own merits for the greater common good, people must be divided up among each other and follow this false left / right wing rubbish and unquestionably be one or the other. Politics is far more diverse than simple left / right / conservative / liberal. It's divide and conquer, and it's very successful.

batgoat

tretorn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/kathy-sheridan-trump-s-business-identity-no-mask-for-spiteful-incivility-1.3610466

This was the article written by this anti trump hysterical twit.

Basically Mc Cain ordered that Trump wasnt to go to his funeral. I know that the man had a brain tumour but seriously who would be bothered when they are dying about who turns up to your funeral. Its so arrogant to think you are that important that the world cares enough about who comes to say goodbye to you. Its also an act of pettyness as you leave the world and anyway you cant exactly stop anyone turning up at a public place of worship.

Trump was right not to go and not to engage except to say sorry for your troubles. What more could the ban say after he was humiliated by a dying person in the worlds media.

Trump literally mocked McCain over being captured during the Vietnam war... So not petty at all to not invite him to his funeral. Barbara Bush also did not invite him to her funeral. The reality is, Trump does not represent an America that they particularly like or want.

"He's a war hero because he was captured," he said. "I like people that weren't captured."

tretorn

The Mc Cain funeral was highly politicised with the bereaved relatives using the opportunity to take pot shots at Trump. Every pointed word reported ad nauseum by the media.
This is in very bad taste.

PopePalpatine

tretorn wrote: »

The Mc Cain funeral was highly politicised with the bereaved relatives using the opportunity to take pot shots at Yrump. Every pointed word tepldted ad nauseum by the media.
This is in very bad taste.

Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have stooped to his level.

JohnMc1

tretorn wrote: »

The Mc Cain funeral was highly politicised with the bereaved relatives using the opportunity to take pot shots at Trump. Every pointed word reported ad nauseum by the media.
This is in very bad taste.

Just remember to half those people in the funeral and media covering it that to them McCain was literally Hitler before Trump was.

Sleeper12

tretorn wrote:

The Mc Cain funeral was highly politicised with the bereaved relatives using the opportunity to take pot shots at Yrump. Every pointed word tepldted ad nauseum by the media. This is in very bad taste.

Trump, a five time draft dodging coward spent the last few years slagging off a genuine war hero. "He's not really a hero cos he got caught". He continued to hound this man for the last year knowing that he was dying. His dying wish was that trump not be allowed to his funeral.

And you think that the grieving family are in very bad taste?
Ffs what planet are you living on?

tretorn

Normally decent people keep their dignity at funerals and hold their tongues in respect of the dead.
Obama should get off the stage now too, he had his day and what do the poor of America have to show fir it. Obama should take another holiday jet skiing with Richard Branson, its handy to have friends with nice gaffs.

SEPT 23 1989

tretorn wrote: »

The Mc Cain funeral was highly politicised with the bereaved relatives using the opportunity to take pot shots at Trump. Every pointed word reported ad nauseum by the media.
This is in very bad taste.

I watched his daughters speech

Don't think her father would have agreed with the digs at Trump

A funeral should be above such things

Irish Kings

tretorn wrote: »

Normally decent people keep their dignity at funerals and hold their tongues in respect of the dead.
Obama should get off the stage now too, he had his day and what do the poor of America have to show fir it. Obama should take another holiday jet skiing with Richard Branson, its handy to have friends with nice gaffs.

just the usual low life politics . .lots of personal attacks, no decent policies or substance.

Embossy

The liberals, the lefties, the PC brigade, the media, the celebrities, and the snowflakes will have a field day! A real live racist to protest about!

ligerdub

Pretty much every discussion about Donald Trump exposes the rampant hypocrisy in people.

When Mr Trump was elected President, and in the lead up to it, there were plenty of comments about how female politicians had it tougher as they received much more comments about their appearance. On the flipside then you have all sorts of comments about President Trump being orange, an oompa loompa, small hands (I thought body shaming was a pet peeve of many these days. Maybe body shaming is ok so long as it's about men, specifically men you don't like?), jokes about his genitals (a cartoon of him with a small penis made the rounds which was apparently "hilarious"), jokes about him being overweight. I know that political figures are pretty much fair game for comedy, but if you call for people to control their behaviour and calling something off limits then you should be the people setting the example in that regard. Also, we have 8 years of Obama's Presidency when pretty much not a single joke was made about him in any regard.

We've seen comments on this thread calling Trump sympathisers "spastics" and "Trumptards", one comment looking for a former attempted assassin of a President, and another calling for a terrorist act during his visit. These are supposed to be the good guys yeah, the ones holding the moral high ground? Twaddle!

There will be people who will believe every crumb of accusation about him, right from the baseless clearly nonsensical stuff (and there's clearly a lot of that), to the more reasonable and credible accusations (and there's plenty of that too). On the flipside then you have zealot supporters who take the positives to the hilt and brush aside the negatives. I may be biased (I probably am) but there's far, far, far more of the former than the latter. It's very difficult to have any sort of reasonable discussion on DT's virtues or failings. I think we'd all do a lot better by filtering out the noise and not playing favourites and overlooking similarities in behaviour between people and judging them by different standards.

President Trump has a lot of failings, and that's open for criticism (quite clearly), but something that's very hard to argue against is that the media absolutely despise him, and are going hell for leather in any sense of the negative on him. That's partly for viewer figures, and partly for more sinister reasons. This particular country has a media industry controlled largely in part by a significant contributor to Clinton Inc, so he's going to get a particular grilling here.

One thing I would say is that there were plenty of people in Ireland who didn't particularly care for Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, but there was pretty much no obstruction to people who hold positive sentiments towards those guys from getting to go out and give them a welcome. Despite what people say on here, there will be a cohort of people (and they aren't all fringe skinhead types before that ****e makes an appearance) who are positive on Donald. It would be a bit sour were those people not to get a similar opportunity on the basis that the so called virtuous anti-Trumpers sabotage his visit to the extreme.

Sleeper12

SEPT 23 1989 wrote:

A funeral should be above such things

Shouldn't the president be above such things?

Andy From Sligo

cant be bothered reading the whole of this thread so its most probably already been asked / pointed out but ..... how much is it gonna cost Ireland in security etc on top of all the other visits of the queen and the pope etc...

Irish Kings

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Shouldn't the president be above such things?

but a funeral shouldn't ?

Irish Kings

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

cant be bothered reading the whole of this thread so its most probably already been asked / pointed out but ..... how much is it gonna cost Ireland in security etc on top of all the other visits of the queen and the pope etc...

exactly the same amount it costs to pay the Gardai and DF every other week of the year when there are no state visits on.

Sleeper12

Irish Kings wrote:

but a funeral shouldn't ?

He hounded a dying man. Its the lowest of the low. Not to mention dragging the office of the president into the gutter yet its a grieving family are in the wrong.

I have to say some of the logic trying to defend trump is actually quite entertaining.

Andy From Sligo

Irish Kings wrote: »

exactly the same amount it costs to pay the Gardai and DF every other week of the year when there are no state visits on.

I should have also asked how much it was going to cost in power-washing and paint and sweeping up as well LOL

Irish Kings

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He hounded a dying man. Its the lowest of the low. Not to mention dragging the office of the president into the gutter yet its a grieving family are in the wrong.

I have to say some of the logic trying to defend trump is actually quite entertaining.

I couldn't care less about the clown that is trump, but the blatant hypocrisy is astounding.

Irish Kings

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I should have also asked how much it was going to cost in power-washing and paint and sweeping up as well LOL

may as well, the same as it costs in maintenance every other week of the year.