The Donald is perhaps definitely kinda NOT coming to Ireland

bodice ripper

Bootlegger wrote:

So is Merkel but both were elected. He'll still be your president when he leaves.

Yeah, no ****. I suppose I could sit here cupping the man's balls, but I feel it wouldn't really get my point across.

If I agreed about Merkel, I would protest her too.

The_Kew_Tour

bazz26 wrote: »

Trump is a textbook narcissist. He craves attention, controversy and outrage whether it be positive or negative. The best way to deal with his visit here is to go about your business as normal and ignore he is here at all.

If I could thank 10 times

batgoat

JohnMc1 wrote: »

How? He's more a John F Kennedy Democrat [who would be a Republican by today's standards of Democrats] His policies haven't been that extreme. The economy is doing well. Unemployment is doing to historic lows. The only one who thinks he's destroying the place are the Kool-Aid drinkers.

The economy has been doing well since around 2009 so you can't attribute it to him. It's still previous policies that created that hence the current bull run on the markets which will eventually end. Yesterday it came out that children from El Salvador were sexually abused as a result of the separation policy with children...

Other things that he's done, he's attacked his own security services because he doesn't like that he's being investigated. He's made up lies about his security services. He's gotten in constant fights with journalists. He got in a fight with Bernstein of Woodward and Bernstein this week. He's claimed to have solved North Korea but his talks really amounted to nothing. He also almost provoked a nuclear war via twitter with North Korea.

He's also had some of his former top staff going to jail including his Lawyer. His CFO in Trump org has gotten immunity. So it's looking increasingly likely that his family if not him will be implicated in criminality.

So overall, while I'm not a fan of Kennedy overall. I think it's insulting to compare an actual politician to Trump. At least Nixon had the wherewithal to quit when things had become too serious. I think the Trump investigations have passed that point and we will eventually start seeing members of his own family going to jail. They're coming across as more and more like the mob.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this is a difficult question, as sometimes its more a what than a who, but there are dangerous elements within american politics that have far more power than the president.

Ah yes, the illuminati. Let's just ignore all the corrupt stuff that he appears to be becoming more and more implicated in.

Malayalam

Wanderer78 wrote: »

never underestimate the power of peaceful protest, its a very important part of helping to create a democracy

I was at the anti Iraq war protest in Dublin, in 2003, supposedly 100, 000 people were there, I'd say a lot more. The next day, despite being one of the largest marches ever to have happened in Dublin (after the 1979/80 marches), it made page 3 of the Sunday Independent - a total disregard for and manipulation by the media of grassroots public opinion, and the huge global protests all round the world before that war started made not a blind bit of difference. As the 2 million Iraqis dead might testify if they could.

I learned something from that.

Still I have protested regularly enough over the years but am under no illusions. It doesn't make a bit of difference. I will do it however, for as long as we are free to do it.

I would have to read the CNN handbook to know what exactly to protest against the oaf DT for....being a childish, narcissist with a bad hairstyle and an inflated libido who merely continues the same sh1tty imperialist policies of his predecessors seems unlikely to move me to particular protest. At least not over and above any other US president.

Funny enough, I did protest one US president though, once, a solo protest against Bill Clinton, the only dissenter with a placard in a fawning crowd gathered to meet him. I was protesting his presidential pardon of Susan McDougal of the Whitewater affair, where the Clintons were implicated in serious fraud, though of course the proof went ''missing''. I was protesting because on his last day in office he chose his old pal Susan over Leonard Peltier. Better to have her out of prison or she might talk too much about the ''First Couple''. For that I got harrassed by the men in black with the ear pieces, and Bill sped off in his cavalcade without meeting and greeting, leaving me to face an angry crowd deprived of their ''hero''. haha. :pac:

bodice ripper

Bootlegger wrote:

Its just virtue signalling really isn't it? Get some Facebook likes, boost the old Instagram profile.

Feel free to imagine whatever you like.

Franz Von Peppercorn

batgoat wrote: »

The economy has been doing well since around 2009 so you can't attribute it to him. It's still previous policies that created that hence the current bull run on the markets which will eventually end. Yesterday it came out that children from El Salvador were sexually abused as a result of the separation policy with children...

Other things that he's done, he's attacked his own security services because he doesn't like that he's being investigated. He's made up lies about his security services. He's gotten in constant fights with journalists. He got in a fight with Bernstein of Woodward and Bernstein this week. He's claimed to have solved North Korea but his talks really amounted to nothing. He also almost provoked a nuclear war via twitter with North Korea.

He's also had some of his former top staff going to jail including his Lawyer. His CFO in Trump org has gotten immunity. So it's looking increasingly likely that his family if not him will be implicated in criminality.

So overall, while I'm not a fan of Kennedy overall. I think it's insulting to compare an actual politician to Trump. At least Nixon had the wherewithal to quit when things had become too serious. I think the Trump investigations have passed that point and we will eventually start seeing members of his own family going to jail. They're coming across as more and more like the mob.


Ah yes, the illuminati. Let's just ignore all the corrupt stuff that he appears to be becoming more and more implicated in.

The deep state rather than the illuminati. I’m no fan of trump but most of this investigation is finding criminality rather than any of the original claims in the dossier.

Cork Boy 53

billyhead wrote: »

I doubt he will visit Dublin anyway. He will fly into Shannon on his return trip from France, visit Doonbeg, meet Leo and then feck off back to the States after a one night stay imo

He might not even stay in Ireland overnight at all. It could well be the same as the Obama visit, arrive in the morning and leave the same evening.

Franz Von Peppercorn

I too marched against the Iraq war in London. Pointless. In fact in co-ordinated marches across the globe 30 million people marched. 3m in Rome. Nothing happened.

Malayalam

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The deep state rather than the illuminati. I’m no fan of trump but most of this investigation is finding criminality rather than any of the original claims in the dossier.

And seriously...this rubbish spouted daily about ''Russia''. If the political classes of the democratic federation of the US of A seriously believes as they tell us ceaselessly that the United States are now being ruled by a tyrannical despot deliberately installed by a cold war enemy...hahah! It's just too cretinous.
Ah well. They are sleepwalking into another term of the Donald.

batgoat

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The deep state rather than the illuminati. I’m no fan of trump but most of this investigation is finding criminality rather than any of the original claims in the dossier.

As part of the investigation, it's perfectly legitimate for Mueller to send any criminality to the relevant authorities which he has done. He has also got numerous indictments in relation to Russia. There is likely more to come out about the Clinton emails and that meeting that they had with the Russians, you know the one where his son decided he wished to collude with them for information on an opponent? Trump has moved on to saying that collusion isn't a crime... His arguments are in constant flux...

So blame it on the deep state or whatever but this is all Trump and the types he surrounds himself with. Eg Paul Manafort who is still facing charges in relation to Ukraine and his dealings with Yanukovych. Yanukovych who is very much so in bed with Putin, he actually fled to Russia after he was deposed. So enjoy having your head in the sand.

JohnMc1

bazz26 wrote: »

Trump is a textbook narcissist. He craves attention, controversy and outrage whether it be positive or negative. The best way to deal with his visit here is to go about your business as normal and ignore he is here at all.

Every Politician is a Narcissist. Trump is just up front with his.

Sleeper12

Aska wrote:

Donald won't give a rats ass what anyone here thinks of him and rightly so, it's a shame we don't put as much effort into telling our own politicans what we think of them when the times come around for the decisions they have made that directly affect us each and every day.

You don't know very much about Donald so.

He very much cares about protesters. He put off his UK visit due to the possibility of protesters. He then stayed away from the public or places where protests could take place when he did eventually visit.

He has his supporters in the states convinced that he's the most popular president ever. The last thing he wants is for US news station's showing him anywhere near protests.

Sleeper12

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

I do wonder if Putin announced a visit would there be similar faux outrage?

He hasn't been invited

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

batgoat wrote: »

Ah yes, the illuminati. Let's just ignore all the corrupt stuff that he appears to be becoming more and more implicated in.

In fairness, that's been the case for a while, Illuminati or not, and you'd be - if you'll pardon the irony - blind not to see it.

Economics controls governments and business controls economics. Simple way of the world. If it wasn't the case, 2008's crash must have been the real illusion; and the infamous "war on drugs" must be a work of fiction.

Graces7

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You don't know very much about Donald so.

He very much cares about protesters. He put off his UK visit due to the possibility of protesters. He then stayed away from the public or places where protests could take place when he did eventually visit.

He has his supporters in the states convinced that he's the most popular president ever. The last thing he wants is for US news station's showing him anywhere near protests.

Now you are tempting even me

Franz Von Peppercorn

batgoat wrote: »

As part of the investigation, it's perfectly legitimate for Mueller to send any criminality to the relevant authorities which he has done. He has also got numerous indictments in relation to Russia. There is likely more to come out about the Clinton emails and that meeting that they had with the Russians, you know the one where his son decided he wished to collude with them for information on an opponent? Trump has moved on to saying that collusion isn't a crime... His arguments are in constant flux...

So blame it on the deep state or whatever but this is all Trump and the types he surrounds himself with. Eg Paul Manafort who is still facing charges in relation to Ukraine and his dealings with Yanukovych. Yanukovych who is very much so in bed with Putin, he actually fled to Russia after he was deposed. So enjoy having your head in the sand.

Even if the Donald Jr meeting is proven it wasn’t part of the dossier. Yes there’s still the second trial of Manafort. That’s the only one dossier related.

I personally think if you believe that the US is anything other than a plutocratic militaristic State run by its deep state gatekeepers you have your head in the sand.

A similar campaign was waged against Clinton who unlike his wife wasn’t as gung ho militarily as the military industrial complex would have liked, and an investigation into some shady dealings in Arkansas (never proven) ended up with monica lewinsky and impeachment which had nothing to do with the original claims. If a leftist ever gets elected, same thing.

Wanderer78

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

In fairness, that's been the case for a while, Illuminati or not, and you'd be - if you'll pardon the irony - blind not to see it.

Economics controls governments and business controls economics. Simple way of the world. If it wasn't the case, 2008's crash must have been the real illusion; and the infamous "war on drugs" must be a work of fiction.

economics is a complicated beast, and business is only one critical aspect of it, its ultimately down to the complicated interactions of humans and our environment.

RasTa

Get the balloons out. Donald and Leo.

batgoat

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Even if the Donald Jr meeting is proven it wasn’t part of the dossier. Yes there’s still the second trial of Manafort. That’s the only one dossier related.

I personally think if you believe that the US is anything other than a plutocratic militaristic State run by its deep state gatekeepers you have your head in the sand.

A similar campaign was waged against Clinton who unlike his wife wasn’t as gung ho militarily as the military industrial complex would have liked, and an investigation into some shady dealings in Arkansas (never proven) ended up with monica lewinsky and impeachment which had nothing to do with the original claims. If a leftist ever gets elected, same thing.

You're desperately trying to diminish this. The dossier only factors into this investigation to a very small degree, it wasn't the basis of opening the investigation as is claimed. Also Mueller is intentionally holding his cards incredibly close to his chest. We only know what he wants us to know.

The deep state has nothing to do with this,Trump being incredibly corrupt and surrounding himself with other corrupt people is what has resulted in this. I'm enjoying it at this stage because it looks very likely that his pretty ****ty family could be facing jail time. Shouldn't have been so corrupt...

Graces7

Apologies if I missed this but was he actually invited?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wanderer78 wrote: »

economics is a complicated beast, and business is only one critical aspect of it, its ultimately down to the complicated interactions of humans and our environment.

... of which we elect governments to supervise and which they do on a somewhat flawed and self-serving manner. What politician is going to being in unpopular but much needed social-based reform when people can only see the costs and not the benefits?

Certainly not Trump. He couldn't give a ****. Not his job to give a ****.

Wanderer78

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... of which we elect governments to supervise and which they do on a somewhat flawed and self-serving manner. What politician is going to being in unpopular but much needed social-based reform when people can only see the costs and not the benefits?

Certainly not Trump. He couldn't give a ****. Not his job to give a ****.

are our political institutions currently capable of helping to provide us with our actual needs, or are they simply powerless to do so?

Cork Boy 53

Graces7 wrote: »

Apologies if I missed this but was he actually invited?

Yes he was, by two different Taoisigh actually.

tretorn

MC Cain before he died announced that he didnt want Trump at his funeral so Trump said sorry for your troubles ad went off to his golf.

One of those stupid irish Times journalists wrote an entire article about how rude Trump was to Cains family, she said he had the morals of a tom cat. This is going way too far with the personal abuse, this is the President of the United States so the office deserves respect.

Trump is no worse and no better than any other politican and I for one am sick of the media ganging up on him. Its no wonder he uses twitter so much, its the only way he has to speak when the media and establishment are combining to get him impeached. If he comes to Ireland hundreds will turn out to see him the same way hundreds turn out to see the Pope.

Kermit.de.frog

Sleeper12 wrote: »

He hasn't been invited

Not what I said. If Putin said he was arriving in Ireland just for a piss stop we wouldn't see protests from the usual suspects who at heart are just anti American and "protest" every American president visiting.

Trump is a wanker but let's not overlook the hyprocrisy and opportunism of the Irish left when it comes to the USA.

Sleeper12

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

Not what I said. If Putin said he was arriving in Ireland just for a piss stop we wouldn't see protests from the usual suspects who at heart are just anti American and "protest" every American president visiting.

Trump was invited. Putin wasn't. There's a huge difference in that. Many protesters will be protesting the fact that the Irish government invented him. It'll be an anti Irish government protest as much as a trump protest. This is why you won't see too many FG supporters protesting.

If Putin were invited I believe there would be as many protesters. They might not get the same coverage but they would be there just the same protesting.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wanderer78 wrote: »

are our political institutions currently capable of helping to provide us with our actual needs, or are they simply powerless to do so?

The have the ability, what they lack is the desire or even reason to do so. What's in it for them?

Wanderer78

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The have the ability, what they lack is the desire or even reason to do so. What's in it for them?

its a difficult one, but im not convinced these institutions currently have the ability, there seems to be an element of powerlessness in most if not all western politics to change things, then of course theres the forces that simply dont want things to change, as you rightly pointed out, for personal gain.

Great news. We needed something to get people arguing about after the abortion referendum and Popes visit.
This’ll keep us going till Christmas.

martingriff

Kuva wrote: »

Ah lads, we wasted enough dough on the other fella last week.

Kevin Sharkey will at least be happy

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

tonycascarino wrote: »

Cannot wait to see all those Irish eejits out protesting over a President who has nothing to do with us.

Well that's an incredibly naive statement.

golfball37

Trump has the snowflakes in a spin it’s delightful to watch. I can’t wait for his re-election in 2020.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

golfball37 wrote: »

Trump has the snowflakes in a spin it’s delightful to watch. I can’t wait for his re-election in 2020.

How are you people defining "snowflake"? The traditional way (in which case it makes no sense) or some convuluted way to describe anyone who criticises Trump? He's not exactly beyond criticism.

Because, as the meme goes, either that word does not mean what you think it means, or you're just throwing it out there for troll purposes.

golfball37

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How are you people defining "snowflake"? The usual, or just anyone who disagrees with Trump on any aspect?

Because,as the meme goes, either that word does not mean what you think it means, or you're just thowing it out there for troll purposes.

Anyone who would bother to be offended by a person democratically elected 3000 miles away when there’s so much wrong with this country is my definition of one. Tosser hasn’t the same ring to it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

golfball37 wrote: »

Anyone who would bother to be offended by a person democratically elected 3000 miles away when there’s so much wrong with this country is my definition of one. Tosser hasn’t the same ring to it.

So, the former then. Tosser might not have the same ring, but at least it might have some degree of accuracy about it.

In any case, anyone in his position who uses such blantant sexist and racist language and promotes violence, would piss off a lot of intelligent people - not just snowflakes.

martingriff

Sprinter Sacre wrote: »

Yes the guidelines were suspended indefinitely, so yeah it has been removed thankfully

So they are still there not removed as he could unsuspend them if he thought he could

Graces7

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Yes he was, by two different Taoisigh actually.

Thought he refused last year though?

martingriff

Cody montana wrote: »

We need to start the movement, come on folks, any suggestions?

Build a wall

Hitman3000

Graces7 wrote:

Thought he refused last year though?

So what he changed his mind and accepted the invitation extended by Leo.

martingriff

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I can really see the government telling Donald to p*ss off considering how much we rely on FDI. Even when he wasn't POTUS M Noonan was down in Shannon with the red carpet to welcome him. Trump was only visiting his golfcourse then.

I am guessing you meant can't really see.


He is president of america so should do so. He will only be president for max of 8 years so we should still do what we have to do to keep a good relationship with American.

Edgware

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Great news. We needed something to get people arguing about after the abortion referendum and Popes visit.
This’ll keep us going till Christmas.

It's not fair.
It will deflect completely from the "Would you wear a Poppy" post.

Also Aodhan O Riordain is already trying to make himself and the Labour Party relevant by protesting about the visit.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

martingriff wrote: »

I am guessing you meant can't really see.


He is president of america so should do so. He will only be president for max of 8 years so we should still do what we have to do to keep a good relationship with American.

Oh, he could do a LOT of damage in eight years. He could do a lot in four if someone pissed him off enough. Especially the second four as he longer has to worry about re-election. The only worry mostof them would have would be in keeping the White House Republican (or Democrat if applicable) and I'd be surprised if he even cares about that.

Sleeper12

Graces7 wrote:

Thought he refused last year though?

He refused to go to the UK last year when he heard that there would be massive protests.

I don't think he ever refused to come here. There might have been rumours of a visit to his golf course here as part of the UK visit. I can't quite remember

Hitman3000

martingriff wrote:

I am guessing you meant can't really see.

I guess I forgot to turn on my sarcasm font.

martingriff

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Oh, he could do a LOT of damage in eight years. He could do a lot in four if someone pissed him off enough. Especially the second four as he longer has to worry about re-election. The only worry mostof them would have would be in keeping the White House Republican (or Democrat if applicable) and I'd be surprised if he even cares about that.

Oh I am sure he could do a lot of damage I am just saying we should at least not damage our relations. Lot will depend on elections this year in america

martingriff

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I guess I forgot to turn on my sarcasm font.

Ah okay

Autochange

bazz26 wrote: »

Trump is a textbook narcissist. He craves attention, controversy and outrage whether it be positive or negative. The best way to deal with his visit here is to go about your business as normal and ignore he is here at all.

Him making decisions in the running of his country that you don't like doesn't mean he is a narcissist. It means you are a whingy snowflake.

Maga

Balanadan

Edgware wrote: »

It's not fair.
It will deflect completely from the "Would you wear a Poppy" post.

Also Aodhan O Riordain is already trying to make himself and the Labour Party relevant by protesting about the visit.

Another reason, if it was even needed, not to vote Labour.

yrreg0850

A government that , cannot afford to pay nurses a decent salary, provide houses for our citizens, or keep our post offices open, etc.etc
Is going to spend millions on a visitor that I am sure the vast majority of citizens do not want.

Hitman3000

yrreg0850 wrote:

A government that , cannot afford to pay nurses a decent salary, provide houses for our citizens, or keep our post offices open, etc.etc Is going to spend millions on a visitor that I am sure the vast majority of citizens do not want.

Sure give Leo a buzz and tell him that you are speaking for the majority and don't want Trump here. Let us know his reply.