Toyota hybrids

Shefwedfan

Chippy01 wrote: »

I wondered why I couldn't find any prices listed. Ah well, we've waited this long, what's another week in the grand scheme of things.



Just had an e-mail from Toyota.
New Camry from €39,750. No specs as yet though.

Is that before or after grant?

ofcork

Corolla from 26k hybrid Luna is nearly 38k��

Berserker

Anyone else here driver an Auris hybrid? Been driving one for the last few days and it feels like a very light car. I can feel the slightest bump on the road even at slow speeds. It's nowhere near as smooth as the SEAT Leon that I am driving at the moment, which feels like a much heavier car. A brand new set of tires were put on it very recently, last weekend I believe, if that makes any difference.

Shefwedfan

Berserker wrote: »

Anyone else here driver an Auris hybrid? Been driving one for the last few days and it feels like a very light car. I can feel the slightest bump on the road even at slow speeds. It's nowhere near as smooth as the SEAT Leon that I am driving at the moment, which feels like a much heavier car. A brand new set of tires were put on it very recently, last weekend I believe, if that makes any difference.

The Leon is a Golf with a Seat badge. Far superior car to an Auris.....

Berserker

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The Leon is a Golf with a Seat badge. Far superior car to an Auris.....

Ah ok, so it's probably just the car then. How would the Auris compare to the likes of an Opel Astra? Thought the Astra (1.4L Petrol) was a very smooth drive but the acceleration wasn't great. Sister drives one and she always complains about the acceleration in hers.

Shefwedfan

Berserker wrote: »

Ah ok, so it's probably just the car then. How would the Auris compare to the likes of an Opel Astra? Thought the Astra (1.4L Petrol) was a very smooth drive but the acceleration wasn't great. Sister drives one and she always complains about the acceleration in hers.

If you have a Golf, or equivalent why would you look else where :P

The Auris hybrid is superior to the flat petrol engine in the VW's. They have a hybrid which is better but it is mega bucks

So if your driving suits a hybrid and you want a nice car....buy a Lexus :-)

z0oT

ofcork wrote: »

Corolla from 26k hybrid Luna is nearly 38k��

The Auris Hybrid Sol (Top Trim) is €27680 currently with the €1500 VRT relief. At €38k, that's a huge jump in price.

Is the Luna the top trim this time, or is there a Sol model to go above that?

vectra

New model Rav4 Hybrid starting at €35.900

Shefwedfan

vectra wrote: »

New model Rav4 Hybrid starting at €35.900

Correct me if wrong but don’t they get a grant or something when buying like a PHEV?

vectra

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Correct me if wrong but don’t they get a grant or something when buying like a PHEV?

I don't think there is any grant as such for the HEV vehicles.
As far as I am aware, any discount is only offered by the manufacturer.
I stand to be corrected though.

Pkiernan

unkel wrote: »

All self-charging. Fantastic! I wish my own car would self-charge. Then I wouldn't have to plug it in twice a week. It would save me 2 minutes per week.

My petrol car also generates motion from burning fossil fuels!
It's therefore self motivating.
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Shefwedfan

vectra wrote: »

I don't think there is any grant as such for the HEV vehicles.
As far as I am aware, any discount is only offered by the manufacturer.
I stand to be corrected though.

Ok it was because after the grant for hybrid was rewnewed Toyota came out with statement about it.....I thought maybe the self charging yokes got something

Round Cable

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ok it was because after the grant for hybrid was rewnewed Toyota came out with statement about it.....I thought maybe the self charging yokes got something

The self charging miracle cars get a €1,500 grant.

vectra

Round Cable wrote: »

The self charging miracle cars get a €1,500 grant.

Didn't know that
I thought it was only PHEV and full electric.

Round Cable

vectra wrote: »

Didn't know that
I thought it was only PHEV and full electric.

Yes it had been around a good while, originally it was 50% off VRT, which is why 10 years ago there was a huge proliferation of expensive Lexus RX hybrids. The government then reduced it to a flat €1500 grant to close off the massive VRT discount "loop-hole" without penalising cheaper Toyota hybrids.

zilog_jones

Berserker wrote: »

Anyone else here driver an Auris hybrid? Been driving one for the last few days and it feels like a very light car. I can feel the slightest bump on the road even at slow speeds. It's nowhere near as smooth as the SEAT Leon that I am driving at the moment, which feels like a much heavier car. A brand new set of tires were put on it very recently, last weekend I believe, if that makes any difference.

What size are the wheels compared to the Leon? Bigger wheels with low-profile tyres have a negative impact on ride quality, it's not about how "light" it is really. If you want something that rides well (and are feeling lucky ) get a French car.

Berserker

zilog_jones wrote: »

What size are the wheels compared to the Leon? Bigger wheels with low-profile tyres have a negative impact on ride quality, it's not about how "light" it is really. If you want something that rides well (and are feeling lucky ) get a French car.

Interesting, didn't know that and you are bang on about the wheels and tyres, in comparison to the Leon.

ofcork

Email from Toyota again and the price for the corolla luna hybrid still missing are they having a rethink as it was so high?

dashoonage

Has anyone any experience with the Prius PHEV?

it quotes 65km on a charge which is probably real world 50km

Is it the same engine as the normal hybrid after that?

bp_me

dashoonage wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with the Prius PHEV?

it quotes 65km on a charge which is probably real world 50km

Is it the same engine as the normal hybrid after that?

Assume you are talking about the current generation? Yes it's same engine. The only change is a different final drive ratio in the gearbox.

I test drove one and thought it pretty good. The only only downsides being the boot space half taken by the battery and the cost over the standard Prius. It would be very challenging to save enough fuel to repay the capital cost difference.

Round Cable

bp_me wrote: »

Assume you are talking about the current generation? Yes it's same engine. The only change is a different final drive ratio in the gearbox.

I test drove one and thought it pretty good. The only only downsides being the boot space half taken by the battery and the cost over the standard Prius. It would be very challenging to save enough fuel to repay the capital cost difference.

Isn't it also a 4 seater?

bp_me

Round Cable wrote: »

Isn't it also a 4 seater?

Yes!! To me the boot is a bigger issue but other persons might have different needs.

ElNino

ofcork wrote: »

Email from Toyota again and the price for the corolla luna hybrid still missing are they having a rethink as it was so high?

Got a brochure from Toyota in the post today. The Corolla Hatchback Hybrid Luna is €27,795 and the Corolla Saloon Hybrid Luna is €28,500.

ofcork

Price must have been either wrong or too high on the email at 10k dearer than that price.

Leonard Hofstadter

Berserker wrote: »

Anyone else here driver an Auris hybrid? Been driving one for the last few days and it feels like a very light car. I can feel the slightest bump on the road even at slow speeds. It's nowhere near as smooth as the SEAT Leon that I am driving at the moment, which feels like a much heavier car. A brand new set of tires were put on it very recently, last weekend I believe, if that makes any difference.

We've had Toyotas since before I was born. I've driven (and in some cases, owned) everything from Yarises to Avensis over the years, and they're all like that, they all feel so light on a motorway.

They're super reliable and cheap as chips to run, and the conventional petrols are usually nice and revvy coupled with a slick gearbox, but I just don't like that light weight feel I get driving one. I also dislike the seats, doesn't matter what I do, I always get backache from them if I do a long journey.

I'm surprised by what you say about the ride, though, the one thing Toyotas usually are is supple over the bumps.

stimpson

I went in to my Toyota dealer on Friday to get a trade in price on my 161 Auris Touring sport against a new model. They were a bit all over the shop. They have no price in the 2.0 and no idea of availability. It was down on the price list I got as “ETA July” and only in “Cross” trim. Dealer had no idea what that was. He gave me a quote for a trade in against a 1.8 Luna TS and apologised profusely about the lack of info. It’s bad enough when you’re looking to buy a car you can’t even see it drive (demo in for one day only in Dec. And no TS demo) but the drip feed of info is a disaster.

I ended up putting a deposit on a used low mileage Outlander PHEV yesterday. Should be an interesting proposition.

dashoonage

I went in to look at a phev prius yesterday as id asked about one earlier in this thread. Not for me unfortunately, going to try get a look at an i3 next

stimpson

dashoonage wrote: »

I went in to look at a phev prius yesterday as id asked about one earlier in this thread. Not for me unfortunately, going to try get a look at an i3 next

I really liked the i3. The interior is gorgeous. The missus had some wierd notion about needing space in the boot. Not sure what that was about tbh.

dashoonage

stimpson wrote: »

I really liked the i3. The interior is gorgeous. The missus had some wierd notion about needing space in the boot. Not sure what that was about tbh.

I need room for a 35kg huskie :P

tretorn

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Right, I have my hands on a "self-charging" Toyota Rav 4 Crossover for the next few days. Only driven 2km so far.

I spent a good 20 mins trying to find the port to plug it in but then of course I remembered it is self charging......this thing is brilliant. No need for petrol/diesel/electricity.....I can't wait to drive around for free for the next week......

Any questions for this magical vehicle.

How much is it.

Shefwedfan

tretorn wrote: »

How much is it.

Well the new one starts at 36k

The one I had, closer to 40k

Leonard Hofstadter

I wonder what the mpg is like in it, I bet a diesel will do more. The reason it's 'self charging' is because the battery is tiny (and hence, nowhere near as sophisticated as a PHEV) so it can only do something like 2 km before needing the combustion engine to kick in again.

unkel

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

I wonder what the mpg is like in it, I bet a diesel will do more.

Depends on your driving pattern. A simple hybrid has a better mpg around town than a diesel, but worse if you mainly drive long distances. Not a huge difference in it either way - diesel is more efficient (and in this country costs less per litre), but regen in a hybrid gives you back quite a lot of energy. I'd say the maintenance on a petrol hybrid is better too and there are far less expensive bits that do go wrong like in a diesel with many failed technologies (like EGR / DMF / DPF)

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

The reason it's 'self charging' is because the battery is tiny (and hence, nowhere near as sophisticated as a PHEV) so it can only do something like 2 km before needing the combustion engine to kick in again.

Yup. In some countries Toyota have already been punished for using false advertising about calling their hybrids "self charging" :rolleyes:

It really is pathetic Toyota still do not offer any EVs. I wouldn't be surprised if they went out of business over the next decade or so.

zilog_jones

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

I wonder what the mpg is like in it, I bet a diesel will do more. The reason it's 'self charging' is because the battery is tiny (and hence, nowhere near as sophisticated as a PHEV) so it can only do something like 2 km before needing the combustion engine to kick in again.

It's the other way around really - it's because it's not a plug-in hybrid that it has a small battery, as there's no point in putting in something larger. You don't want the ICE constantly charging the battery as that would be inefficient. A small battery around 1-2 kWh provides the right balance in being able to make it a more efficient petrol-powered car without adding too much compromise (increased weight, less space, etc.).

stimpson

unkel wrote: »

Depends on your driving pattern. A simple hybrid has a better mpg around town than a diesel, but worse if you mainly drive long distances. Not a huge difference in it either way - diesel is more efficient (and in this country costs less per litre), but regen in a hybrid gives you back quite a lot of energy. I'd say the maintenance on a petrol hybrid is better too and there are far less expensive bits that do go wrong like in a diesel with many failed technologies (like EGR / DMF / DPF)




Yup. In some countries Toyota have already been punished for using false advertising about calling their hybrids "self charging" :rolleyes:

It really is pathetic Toyota still do not offer any EVs. I wouldn't be surprised if they went out of business over the next decade or so.

Very interesting test done last week by the indo. An Auris hybrid vs an Octavia diesel on €20 worth of fuel. The Octavia shades it, but will 0.6l more fuel due to cheaper diesel.

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/which-goes-further-on-20-worth-of-fuel-hybrid-or-diesel-37475360.html

unkel

Yes I read the test a few days ago. The Octavia diesel slightly better mpg and of course diesel is cheaper, but there was less in it than I expected. Just one test with two cars though (with two different drivers).

zilog_jones

stimpson wrote: »

Very interesting test done last week by the indo.

I think you'll find it's a very biased test that was performed by Skoda
Statistically useless based on such a small sample of driving anyway.

stimpson

zilog_jones wrote: »

I think you'll find it's a very biased test that was performed by Skoda
Statistically useless based on such a small sample of driving anyway.

I think Skoda would be disappointed TBH. Basically the same cost per mile, but hybridas are nicer to drive and far more reliable.

Shefwedfan

stimpson wrote: »

Very interesting test done last week by the indo. An Auris hybrid vs an Octavia diesel on €20 worth of fuel. The Octavia shades it, but will 0.6l more fuel due to cheaper diesel.

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/which-goes-further-on-20-worth-of-fuel-hybrid-or-diesel-37475360.html

Skoda ran the test and really should not have bothered because it just shows how good the hybrid is.


The diesel won but:
The hybrid had bigger alloys which has affect on fuel
The Skoda had more fuel in it
The driving suited the diesel more with the majority on motorway


What this does prove is really majority of drivers in Ireland do not require diesel. Not the point of the test but that was outcome....

MightyMunster

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Skoda ran the test and really should not have bothered because it just shows how good the hybrid is.


The diesel won but:
The hybrid had bigger alloys which has affect on fuel
The Skoda had more fuel in it
The driving suited the diesel more with the majority on motorway


What this does prove is really majority of drivers in Ireland do not require diesel. Not the point of the test but that was outcome....

Read that article, did the diesel not do more mpg which makes the performance even better as it had to carry the extra 600ml of fuel as well?
The hybrid claimed better fuel economy and didn't live up to the claims, was what I took from it anyway

Shefwedfan

MightyMunster wrote: »

Read that article, did the diesel not do more mpg which makes the performance even better as it had to carry the extra 600ml of fuel as well?
The hybrid claimed better fuel economy and didn't live up to the claims, was what I took from it anyway

Read the article again, then read my point, then read the article again


Remember Skoda ran the test and the diesel was always going to win

MightyMunster

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Read the article again, then read my point, then read the article again


Remember Skoda ran the test and the diesel was always going to win

More fuel in the skoda was not an advantage for this test.
Majority was not on motorway- 68km out of 271 for hybrid, 68 out of 294 for diesel.
Better mpg or l/100km in the dieselso amount of fuel at the start was irrelevant.

Auris claimed 81mpg,achieved 58 around 70%
Skoda claimed 69, achieved 59 around 85%

Disappointing performance i would have thought.

Would have got much further on 20 euro in an EV

stimpson

MightyMunster wrote: »

More fuel in the skoda was not an advantage for this test.

n97 mini

n97 mini wrote: »

Most models have been available in the US for some time.

It's not really newsworthy. Toyota backed the wrong horse, hydrogen, and are trying to plaster over their mistake by marketing cars they've sold for years as something new... "self charging hybrids"

Race is only starting.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

All self-charging. Fantastic! I wish my own car would self-charge. Then I wouldn't have to plug it in twice a week. It would save me 2 minutes per week.

Well, if an EV only took two minutes to charge (twice!), I think we'd all have one.

Shefwedfan

MightyMunster wrote: »

More fuel in the skoda was not an advantage for this test.
Majority was not on motorway- 68km out of 271 for hybrid, 68 out of 294 for diesel.
Better mpg or l/100km in the dieselso amount of fuel at the start was irrelevant.

Auris claimed 81mpg,achieved 58 around 70%
Skoda claimed 69, achieved 59 around 85%

Disappointing performance i would have thought.

Would have got much further on 20 euro in an EV

Yes an BEV would have wiped the floor but anyway.

How is more fuel not an advantage? it's a distance test. Are you really trying to say the weight of that fuel would be a disadvantage? remember hte hybrid is pulling a petrol and electric motor plus a battery, The alloys been larger on the Toyota would be a bigger disadvantage

This was the driving:
* Sandyford to Bray (25km urban driving).
* Bray to Gorey (68km motorway driving).
* Gorey to Arklow (27km extra urban/country driving).
The rest was urban/country driving

So yes majority is motorway/country driving which should be advantage to the diesel. Remember most people would tell you the hybrid is only for city folk and everyone else has to drive a diesel

The main point in the article. * Overall, the Octavia was more economical by 0.1/100km but it is minuscule and reliant on factors such as driving style etc as to be negligible


So even with larger alloys and motorway driving the diesel was not more economical.

Any clearer? It's an embrassement for Skoda in my eyes

MightyMunster

stimpson wrote: »

Mpg...... L/100km.....

MightyMunster

stimpson wrote: »

Mpg...... L/100km.....

stimpson

MightyMunster wrote: »

Mpg...... L/100km.....

vectra

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, if an EV only took two minutes to charge (twice!), I think we'd all have one.

I think if you look at his post again, you might just click that what he meant wa he would save 2 minutes per week PLUGGING IN AND OUT THE CAR :rolleyes: