Toyota hybrids

zilog_jones

MightyMunster wrote: »

did the diesel not do more mpg which makes the performance even better as it had to carry the extra 600ml of fuel as well?

600 ml of diesel weighs about 450 g. I've never really noticed a drastic increase in fuel consumption when carrying a pound of butter either...

Shefwedfan wrote: »

...remember hte hybrid is pulling a petrol and electric motor plus a battery...

Diesel engines weigh more than petrol, and Toyota's hybrid transaxle (two electric motors, btw) doesn't really weigh much more than a traditional manual gearbox. The traction battery is only about 42 kg (again, one of the reasons why petrol hybrids have small batteries). I couldn't find specific kerb weights of the two cars but I'd say they're within 100 kg of each other.

ted1

bp_me wrote: »

Those are different engines.

Stuff coming next year is also new engines though supposedly based on the learnings from the most recent engine generation in prius and chr.

Would they not just use Lexus technology?

Shefwedfan

zilog_jones wrote: »

600 ml of diesel weighs about 450 g. I've never really noticed a drastic increase in fuel consumption when carrying a pound of butter either...



Diesel engines weigh more than petrol, and Toyota's hybrid transaxle (two electric motors, btw) doesn't really weigh much more than a traditional manual gearbox. The traction battery is only about 42 kg (again, one of the reasons why petrol hybrids have small batteries). I couldn't find specific kerb weights of the two cars but I'd say they're within 100 kg of each other.

That's my point....600ml extra of diesel is not going to decrease the range because of the weight. It should increase it because it is extra fuel


As you said both cars are probably similar weight. So the facts I lined out above are the most relevant. Alloy size can have a huge affect on fuel consumption. If they wanted a fair test then it should have been the same size and same tyre choice. Who is to say the hybrid didnt have a C rated tire and the Skoda had A rated fuel tire.....


Skoda ran the test so they had all the benefits. Even with that they didn't really out perform the hybrid.

zilog_jones

I think we can agree the test was shíte

Chippy01

ted1 wrote: »

Would they not just use Lexus technology?

I would hazard a guess that Toyota and Lexus technology is damn near identical.

Shefwedfan

Chippy01 wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that Toyota and Lexus technology is damn near identical.

It is identical....


Just the Lexus has a nicer interior and the service will cost twice to the Toyota


Similar to VW and Audi,

colm_mcm

ted1 wrote: »

Would they not just use Lexus technology?

The comparable Lexus is the CT200h which is pretty much the same as the outgoing Auris, there is newer tech going into the new Corolla hatchback and also the option of a 2.0 Hybrid.

ofcork

Anyone have the price for the corolla hybrid luna still not showing on the site.

Chippy01

ofcork wrote: »

Anyone have the price for the corolla hybrid luna still not showing on the site.

When a salesman phoned me last week about the Camry and the Corolla saloon, I think he said €39,500 for the Camry and €29,000 for the Corolla.

Don't know which trim level he was talking about though.

ofcork

Maybe 29k for the luna so it was originally over 37k on the site but that disappeared,

stimpson

Here’s the price list I got in Tadg Riaordans. Rescued from the green bin by my missus...

The Touring sport quote I got was €1425 extra. Metallic paint was €625.

unkel

€29k is a ridiculous price for a Corolla hybrid. You can get a similar size PHEV and even full EV for that from other makes.

Round Cable

unkel wrote: »

€29k is a ridiculous price for a Corolla hybrid. You can get a similar size PHEV and even full EV for that from other makes.

You'd get an Ioniq PHEV for not much more, Prius is ridiculous money these days too.

stimpson

In fairness the Niro starts at 31495 and the ioniq at 32000. But I agree the Auris is steep, although they do hold their value. I was offered 19250 on my 161 Auris Touring that cost 29k.

doney84

I was interested in the Corolla saloon but looking at the picture for the hatchback prices would it be fair to say a decent spec Corolla saloon could be about €33/34k ?

unkel

stimpson wrote: »

I was offered 19250 on my 161 Auris Touring that cost 29k.

You would have been offered 23k on a 162 Ioniq EV that cost 25k

stimpson

I had an email this morning confirming that the 2.0 will only be available in Cross trim (whatever that is) and will not be available before July and no prices have been finalised. Useless.

vectra

I am definitely going to have a look / test drive in both the Rav4 and the Camry.
Hopefully get one of each for an extended test to try them in varying driving areas.

ofcork

Apparently Toyota are offering 3 day test drives would like to try the camry alright.

Canonfan

Hi all, i really like the new Rav 4, i got a price list like above from Toyota Longmile road which is €40,800 (Sol). May I ask is this going to be the best price or should I shop around.

Thank you in advance.

stimpson

Canonfan wrote: »

Hi all, i really like the new Rav 4, i got a price list like above from Toyota Longmile road which is €40,800 (Sol). May I ask is this going to be the best price or should I shop around.

Thank you in advance.

If you’re paying cash then look for a deep discount. If you’re not fussy on colour then ring every dealer in the country and ask them for their best price. I saved over a grand when buying my Auris.

ravendude

Canonfan wrote: »

Hi all, i really like the new Rav 4, i got a price list like above from Toyota Longmile road which is €40,800 (Sol). May I ask is this going to be the best price or should I shop around.

Thank you in advance.

Like the look of it too, particulary the sport ( I think?) version with the 2 tone paintwork and black wheels. Did you hear when a demo will come in?

Canonfan

ravendude wrote: »

Like the look of it too, particulary the sport ( I think?) version with the 2 tone paintwork and black wheels. Did you hear when a demo will come in?

The sale lady said mid January, for now only can see on Youtube

vectra

ravendude wrote: »

Like the look of it too, particulary the sport ( I think?) version with the 2 tone paintwork and black wheels. Did you hear when a demo will come in?

I would like a look at this model as well.
I just can't get my head around these suggested l/km though.

ravendude

vectra wrote: »

I would like a look at this model as well.
I just can't get my head around these suggested l/km though.

I could be wrong here, and please do correct me if so...
IIRC, mileage hasn't been published yet for the 2019 Rav 4, - the few videos I looked at were saying there is an embargo on the figures/data. I think I saw somewhere that they would be publishing data very soon, maybe even this week.

bp_me

ravendude wrote: »

I could be wrong here, and please do correct me if so...
IIRC, mileage hasn't been published yet for the 2019 Rav 4, - the few videos I looked at were saying there is an embargo on the figures/data. I think I saw somewhere that they would be publishing data very soon, maybe even this week.

Brochure on Toyota Ireland site says 4.5l/100km combined. Now there's no way it will do that...but it might do 6.

vectra

bp_me wrote: »

Brochure on Toyota Ireland site says 4.5l/100km combined. Now there's no way it will do that...but it might do 6.

You see this is where I am confused.
Say it does 6/100 combined.
What about on a long trip
say 300kms each way almost 100% motorway including the M50.
Cant see it doing any decent mileage there to be honest.
Could you?

bp_me

vectra wrote: »

You see this is where I am confused.
Say it does 6/100 combined.
What about on a long trip
say 300kms each way almost 100% motorway including the M50.
Cant see it doing any decent mileage there to be honest.
Could you?

Let me put it his way...

I have a chr hybrid. It's supposed to do 4.3 combined. I'm good weather it does about 5. Motorway trip in Ireland is about 6-6.5 (m9/m7 is awful for economy). About 2500km of European motorways over the summer was also roughly in the 6 range...most of that done at close to real 130.

Basically I think the new generation of engines and gearboxes has been a massive step forward over the previous generation. My auris was not as good despite having a smaller hole to cut in the air with a presumably sloppier shape.

vectra

bp_me wrote: »

Let me put it his way...

I have a chr hybrid. It's supposed to do 4.3 combined. I'm good weather it does about 5. Motorway trip in Ireland is about 6-6.5 (m9/m7 is awful for economy). About 2500km of European motorways over the summer was also roughly in the 6 range...most of that done at close to real 130.

Basically I think the new generation of engines and gearboxes has been a massive step forward over the previous generation. My auris was not as good despite having a smaller hole to cut in the air with a presumably sloppier shape.

That sounds like very good returns.
I have spoken to many people that bought the CHR with high expectations and were massively disappointed.
I think I might still take an extended test in the Rav4 and the camry when they come available.
Thanks

stimpson

vectra wrote: »

That sounds like very good returns.
I have spoken to many people that bought the CHR with high expectations and were massively disappointed.
I think I might still take an extended test in the Rav4 and the camry when they come available.
Thanks

A lot of the gains in a hybrid are down to driving style. If you floor it everywhere and are hard on the brakes then you aren’t going to see anywhere near the posted figures. If you are gentle on the throttle and coast to a stop then it’s a different story.

I averaged about 6l/100km in my Auris Touring, mostly around town. On long trips down the N2 I would get it up to 100km/h and put on cruise and I would see 5.3 for the trip.

vectra

stimpson wrote: »

A lot of the gains in a hybrid are down to driving style. If you floor it everywhere and are hard on the brakes then you aren’t going to see anywhere near the posted figures. If you are gentle on the throttle and coast to a stop then it’s a different story.

I averaged about 6l/100km in my Auris Touring, mostly around town. On long trips down the N2 I would get it up to 100km/h and put on cruise and I would see 5.3 for the trip.

@ 100kph?

What would you be getting @ 120 motorway in the CHR ?
*EDIT
Did you mention 130 in previous post giving 6/100 ?

stimpson

vectra wrote: »

@ 100kph?

What would you be getting @ 120 motorway in the CHR ?
*EDIT
Did you mention 130 in previous post giving 6/100 ?

I didn't mention 130 @ 6/100

Roughly I would say 5.3@100, 5.8@120 and 6.5@130

The CHR is bigger, but has a newer gen drivetrain compared to the Auris. I imagine it would be broadly similar. The 2019 Hybrids are different again, and I would be expecting Prius Mk4 numbers.

Running cost wise, I'd say the Auris was on a par with my 2010 diesel Avensis, assuming you discount the Avensis dislike for injectors. Auris was much nicer to drive if you can get used to the eCVT box.

vectra

stimpson wrote: »

I didn't mention 130 @ 6/100

Roughly I would say 5.3@100, 5.8@120 and 6.5@130

The CHR is bigger, but has a newer gen drivetrain compared to the Auris. I imagine it would be broadly similar. The 2019 Hybrids are different again, and I would be expecting Prius Mk4 numbers.

Running cost wise, I'd say the Auris was on a par with my 2010 diesel Avensis, assuming you discount the Avensis dislike for injectors. Auris was much nicer to drive if you can get used to the eCVT box.

I think it would certainly be worth my while having a good test run in both the new Rav4 and the Camry.
I used to have a very heavy right foot but have learned to drive more conservatively in recent times. ( An age thing I reckon )

Thanks for the info.

bp_me

stimpson wrote: »

A lot of the gains in a hybrid are down to driving style. If you floor it everywhere and are hard on the brakes then you aren’t going to see anywhere near the posted figures. If you are gentle on the throttle and coast to a stop then it’s a different story.

Im pretty sure the biggest single gain was heated seats which means I dont need to have the engine running to heat the cabin for most of the winter on short hops around town which is where it suffers most.

I can see how someone who is used to driving a diesel and just believes the claims could feel misled when the car doesn't return as it should. As it's our second hybrid we knew exactly what we were buying, knew what to expect, and were in fact pleasantly surprised when it turned out to exceed our expectations.

n97 mini

bp_me wrote: »

Im pretty sure the biggest single gain was heated seats which means I dont need to have the engine running to heat the cabin for most of the winter on short hops around town which is where it suffers most.

From having the Leaf it wasn't my arse that got cold, it was my hands. I didn't know heated steering wheels were so good.

bp_me

The one feature Im missing that I really wish the car had!

stimpson

bp_me wrote: »

Im pretty sure the biggest single gain was heated seats which means I dont need to have the engine running to heat the cabin for most of the winter on short hops around town which is where it suffers most.

I can see how someone who is used to driving a diesel and just believes the claims could feel misled when the car doesn't return as it should. As it's our second hybrid we knew exactly what we were buying, knew what to expect, and were in fact pleasantly surprised when it turned out to exceed our expectations.

Actually it should be noted that I run aircon all the time do my numbers are worst case.

dashoonage

anyone know when the corollas are due to arrive in showrooms?

stimpson

dashoonage wrote: »

anyone know when the corollas are due to arrive in showrooms?

I had a text from Tagd Riordans to say the 7th. I think they only have them for a day though.

Old diesel

dashoonage wrote: »

anyone know when the corollas are due to arrive in showrooms?

I think I saw February for Hatch and tourers (estate).

Saloon comes a little later

stimpson

The message I got was

stimpson, join us on the 7th January from 9am to 1pm to see the all-new 191 RAV4, Camry, Corolla Hatchback and Corolla Saloon at Tadg Riordan Tallaght. To RSVP click here: http://toyotasurvey.force.com/sms/rsvp?id=Redacted or call Tadg Riordan Tallaght on 014517447

Which implies they will have them for the day. The salesman had said as much to me back in November. There will be a roadshow with each dealer getting them for a day.

vectra

stimpson wrote: »

The message I got was



Which implies they will have them for the day. The salesman had said as much to me back in November. There will be a roadshow with each dealer getting them for a day.

Yes,
as far as I am aware, The Rav4 will be available to test drive, but the Camry won't until April.:(

stimpson

I might go for the laugh, but that ship has sailed. I’m happier with my Outlander PHEV than I ever was with any of my Toyotas.

Shefwedfan

The thread has got a life of its own....

has the OP posted at all in it? :-)

bp_me

vectra wrote: »

Yes,
as far as I am aware, The Rav4 will be available to test drive, but the Camry won't until April.:(

There's a new RAV4 in the showroom in Waterford.

Shefwedfan

bp_me wrote: »

There's a new RAV4 in the showroom in Waterford.

The Rav4 arrived before Chritmas, most of the dealers should have one at the moment available to test drive

ofcork

The cork dealers have them next week bon the 7th and 8th

vectra

ofcork wrote: »

The cork dealers have them next week bon the 7th and 8th

And the 9th,
I am going to Grandons that day for a viewing and a chat.

ofcork

What are you looking at camry?

vectra

ofcork wrote: »

What are you looking at camry?

Open to both the rav4 and the Camry.
Preference would be the Camry.
I think under 42k for the top spec one.