Connacht Team Talk Thread V - The Friend Zone

troyzer

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Evil_g wrote: »

Someone will be a long now to tell us that "I've been a vocal critic of Jack in the past but...." as though this should make their opinion more valid.

Leinster fan here, got a bit of stick earlier this season for saying that Carty was going well and deserved a shot at the wider squad in the Autumn Internationals. He’s definitely in better form than Carbery right now, he’s ahead of any of the Ulster 10s and other Munster 10s right now for me. One injury and he’s going to start appearing in squads I reckon.

His consistency is miles better this season, is a great passing and gain line threat and his kicking has improved immeasurably. I’m not saying he’s definitely going to the WC or anything but he’s come from a long way back to force his way into Joe’s plans and it’s hard to argue with his form.

It'll always be easy to discount his form because he's not playing in Europe.

Which isn't completely unfair.

Dubinusa

Some Like It TOH

Carty has been good. He's kicked on immeasurably and right now is playing some outstanding rugby.

connachta

Dubinusa wrote: »

Carty has been good. He's kicked on immeasurably and right now is playing some outstanding rugby.

What happened to you, 2018 hangover?

Dubinusa

Some Like It TOH

Lol, no. He's just impressed me recently. Connacht overall have been very good. Great to see.

typhoony

Dubinusa wrote: »

Lol, no. He's just impressed me recently. Connacht overall have been very good. Great to see.

if Connacht and carty do well this weekend you'd expect him to be in the reckoning

gally74

The Friend Zone

Wegians89 wrote: »

Jack Kelly would be interesting. Pretty versatile and a leader.

On the Irish independent now

troyzer

gally74 wrote: »

Wegians89 wrote: »

Jack Kelly would be interesting. Pretty versatile and a leader.

On the Irish independent now

Vultures the lot of ye.

Former Former

You've got a Friend in me

typhoony wrote: »

if Connacht and carty do well this weekend you'd expect him to be in the reckoning

He'll always be in the wider conversation because he's one of only four or five guys getting regular time in a specialist position.

However, I don't think he's improved his standing as much as is being made out.

Carty was MOTM against Leinster, but Schmidt is the sort of coach who's more interested in how a 17 point lead was given up in 12 minutes than how it was established in the previous 68. Carty excels at finding gaps in defences, but he needs to show he can steer the ship too and he still has work to do there.

Dubinusa

Some Like It TOH

Idk, carty could move up into the conversation. He does have poor moments, but he's been good from what I've seen.
I've watched a lot of all the provinces this season and for me, he's really impressed.
More so than Carberry, who in the tight matches seems lost. Carberry is good with a big lead, but I thought he was poor against Castres. Anytime I have watched Munster, he's been soso.
Burns is playing well for Ulster. His game management is quite good. Considering he's been dealt a young squad in rebuilding mode!

Burkie1203

Mul, it's over

Former Former wrote: »

Carty was MOTM against Leinster, but Schmidt is the sort of coach who's more interested in how a 17 point lead was given up in 12 minutes than how it was established in the previous 68. Carty excels at finding gaps in defences, but he needs to show he can steer the ship too and he still has work to do there.

This.

The biggest lesson in irish rugby was served up by NZ in those few minutes in 2013.

Carty had the highlight reel. Ross Byrne steered Leinster home. Nailed conversations from out wide that were vital in that last 10 minutes.

Mr Tickle

Burkie1203 wrote: »

This.

The biggest lesson in irish rugby was served up by NZ in those few minutes in 2013.

Carty had the highlight reel. Ross Byrne steered Leinster home. Nailed conversations from out wide that were vital in that last 10 minutes.

I think that's more of a statement of the difference between the two teams rather than Byrne vs Carty.
Both were 4/5 with their kicks and Connacht's back line fired well for most of the game.

That being said i don't think Carty will get into an Irish squad before the WC unless there's an injury or two.

After that though, I think we should start using Sexton a bit less and spend more time on the depth. The Issue being that we'll have a new coach who'll need results.

Former Coach

Mul, it's over

Burkie1203 wrote: »

This.

The biggest lesson in irish rugby was served up by NZ in those few minutes in 2013.

Carty had the highlight reel. Ross Byrne steered Leinster home. Nailed conversations from out wide that were vital in that last 10 minutes.

🀔🙄?

Burkie1203

Mul, it's over

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I think that's more of a statement of the difference between the two teams rather than Byrne vs Carty.
Both were 4/5 with their kicks and Connacht's back line fired well for most of the game.

When your 17 points ahead with 12 minutes to go, your 10 needs to steer the ship home. If Carbery/Burns/Byrne were in the Connacht 10 shirt for that last 12 minutes Connacht would have won the game IMO.

Former Former

You've got a Friend in me

Burkie1203 wrote: »

This.

The biggest lesson in irish rugby was served up by NZ in those few minutes in 2013.

Carty had the highlight reel. Ross Byrne steered Leinster home. Nailed conversations from out wide that were vital in that last 10 minutes.

I think Ross Byrne set himself back that night too, tbh, he didn't look assured at all. Nailed his kicks all right but a lot of the backline direction came from Reid and Frawley.

TLDR: if Sexton gets injured, we're f**ked.

Mr Tickle

Burkie1203 wrote: »

When your 17 points ahead with 12 minutes to go, your 10 needs to steer the ship home. If Carbery/Burns/Byrne were in the Connacht 10 shirt for that last 12 minutes Connacht would have won the game IMO.

That seems like too much blame to lay on one player. Leinster had more or less all of the ball in that time. There were two clearing kicks that didn't find touch and I don't know if those were Carty. Godwin takes on those a bit and one might have been Blade or Mitchell.

ClanofLams

Mul, it's over

As has been mentioned, Ireland blew a similar lead against NZ, I don’t recall the blame being placed entirely at Sextons feet. Automatically doing so here without providing specific examples of errors seems more than a little simplistic.

Former Former

You've got a Friend in me

ClanofLams wrote: »

As has been mentioned, Ireland blew a similar lead against NZ, I don’t recall the blame being placed entirely at Sextons feet. Automatically doing so here without providing specific examples of errors seems more than a little simplistic.

I don't think anyone is blaming Carty entirely for the loss, just trying to put a bit of context to how Schmidt might be looking at his recent form (and that of the wider Connacht squad I suppose).

I certainly don't want to go through a tape of a game looking for specific errors by a player.

Wegians89

The Friend Zone

Healy trained all week and likely to play. Toh out and Fitzgerald eligible as terms of loan. Bundee a doubt.

Mr Tickle

Wegians89 wrote: »

Healy trained all week and likely to play. Toh out and Fitzgerald eligible as terms of loan. Bundee a doubt.

Healy will be useful if Bundee is out. Godwin can go back to the centre.
Who's left to bench then?

troyzer

It is partially Carty's fault but the team as a whole fell apart.

Such a painful loss will give them a huge lesson. I'd be astonished if they did it again.

You'd rather do it now and learn how to overcome it then lose like that in a quarter final.

ClanofLams

Mul, it's over

Yeah it is partially everyone's fault, that's kinda how a team works. If people want to criticise Carty specifically, let them point to errors he made rather than just generalising. I was at the game and haven't watched it back, but as far as I recall with ball in hand the two main errors were poor kicks from Godwin and Blade.

connemara man

The Friend Zone

ClanofLams wrote: »

Yeah it is partially everyone's fault, that's kinda how a team works. If people want to criticise Carty specifically, let them point to errors he made rather than just generalising. I was at the game and haven't watched it back, but as far as I recall with ball in hand the two main errors were poor kicks from Godwin and Blade.

And Kelleher, all kicking from outside the 22 aswell

its_phil

Mul, it's over

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I think that's more of a statement of the difference between the two teams rather than Byrne vs Carty.
Both were 4/5 with their kicks and Connacht's back line fired well for most of the game.

When your 17 points ahead with 12 minutes to go, your 10 needs to steer the ship home. If Carbery/Burns/Byrne were in the Connacht 10 shirt for that last 12 minutes Connacht would have won the game IMO.

I honestly don’t know what any of those 10s could have done any better to be the pivotal difference in that game because Carty wasn’t pivotal to the loss.

What aspects of his game let him down in the last 10 minutes? Game management is way too broad a statement.

KBurke85

The Friend Zone

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Healy will be useful if Bundee is out. Godwin can go back to the centre.
Who's left to bench then?

Tom Daly will probably be the bench option

Mr Tickle

KBurke85 wrote: »

Tom Daly will probably be the bench option

That works quite nicely actually. He's a centre/wing right? does he favour 12 or 13?

Dubinusa

Some Like It TOH

It's taken Carty a long time to reach the level he's at now. Part of that is experience and good squad teammates around him.
As an example, last season he was a mixed bag and Connacht as a team were quite poor. Obviously, with Mr Bean (KK) coaching, things were dour.
This year the coaching is better, the team is better and it shows in Carty's form.
He may get capped, but it most likely be in the summer of 2020, unless there's a load of injuries.

realhorrorshow

Mr Tickle wrote: »

That works quite nicely actually. He's a centre/wing right? does he favour 12 or 13?

Primarily a 12, definitely not a winger.

ClanofLams

Mul, it's over

Dubinusa wrote: »

It's taken Carty a long time to reach the level he's at now. Part of that is experience and good squad teammates around him.
As an example, last season he was a mixed bag and Connacht as a team were quite poor. Obviously, with Mr Bean (KK) coaching, things were dour.
This year the coaching is better, the team is better and it shows in Carty's form.
He may get capped, but it most likely be in the summer of 2020, unless there's a load of injuries.

To be fair, Kieran Keane has had a long and well regarded career in coaching, to the extent that Warren Garland offered him the position of backs coach with the Lions in New Zealand but he had already committed to Connacht.

Clearly it didn't work out for him in Connacht and it was the right decision to move on after last season but he's certainly not Mr. Bean

Wegians89

The Friend Zone

I actually think carty was one of very few players who played well/ slightly improved under kk. He’s come on even more this year but I think being freed from lams super structural approach has been key to him.

Lebute

Wegians89 wrote: »

I actually think carty was one of very few players who played well/ slightly improved under kk. He’s come on even more this year but I think being freed from lams super structural approach has been key to him.

I 100 agree with you here - in fact i think Lam being manager really prohibited his development for 3 years due to having to adhere to his rigid system.