Connacht Team Talk Thread V - The Friend Zone

troyzer

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

KBurke85

The Friend Zone

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Your answer is there. Carty currently on a great run of form Players aren't picked because they have been been better in the past. Ultimately its 3rd choice outhalf it doesn't matter. Byrne or Carty neither would probably feature much in the 6 nations anyway

Zzippy

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Byrne hasn't been consistently better for ages, Carty has been in better form this season which is the last 4 months. Byrne gets an armchair ride from his forwards, Carty plays on the gainline in a team often going backwards. Carty offers more going forward in terms of breaking threat, passing and bringing his backs into play around him. He's a better pivot. Byrne is a better kicker, but Carty has improved that hugely and it's no longer a big advantage.

In the recent head-to-head Carty played better, yes Leinster came back to win but that was down to Leinster's bench and forward power and not anything Byrne did, while Carty was instrumental in Connacht's scores and general attacking play. Plus he created and scored a cracking try himself. Not a lot he could do in the second half with zero possession. I'd say that night made up Joe's mind.

troyzer

Zzippy wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Byrne hasn't been consistently better for ages, Carty has been in better form this season which is the last 4 months. Byrne gets an armchair ride from his forwards, Carty plays on the gainline in a team often going backwards. Carty offers more going forward in terms of breaking threat, passing and bringing his backs into play around him. He's a better pivot. Byrne is a better kicker, but Carty has improved that hugely and it's no longer a big advantage.

In the recent head-to-head Carty played better, yes Leinster came back to win but that was down to Leinster's bench and forward power and not anything Byrne did, while Carty was instrumental in Connacht's scores and general attacking play. Plus he created and scored a cracking try himself. Not a lot he could do in the second half with zero possession. I'd say that night made up Joe's mind.

The obvious counter argument to that is that Carty doesn't play any European rugby and doesn't play games nearly as tough as Byrne.

And I wouldn't knock Connacht, they have a serious pack which beats a lot of others. Including that Leinster reserve back in the December interpro.

But having watched a lot of Connacht this year I genuinely don't think Carty has been better.

But I can't be objective and neither can you.

I have faith in Joe, we shall see what happens.

WallyGUFC

troyzer wrote: »

The obvious counter argument to that is that Carty doesn't play any European rugby and doesn't play games nearly as tough as Byrne.

And I wouldn't knock Connacht, they have a serious pack which beats a lot of others. Including that Leinster reserve back in the December interpro.

But having watched a lot of Connacht this year I genuinely don't think Carty has been better.

But I can't be objective and neither can you.

I have faith in Joe, we shall see what happens.

Carty played European rugby 4 days ago.

troyzer

WallyGUFC wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

The obvious counter argument to that is that Carty doesn't play any European rugby and doesn't play games nearly as tough as Byrne.

And I wouldn't knock Connacht, they have a serious pack which beats a lot of others. Including that Leinster reserve back in the December interpro.

But having watched a lot of Connacht this year I genuinely don't think Carty has been better.

But I can't be objective and neither can you.

I have faith in Joe, we shall see what happens.

Carty played European rugby 4 days ago.

Ah now, Challenge cup is not proper European Rugby. Sure even Friend knows that, he was putting experimental sides out against Perpignan.

I don't want this to descend into a mud slinging fest.

It's not just Carty/Byrne that's strange. I also think Roux missing out to Ultan is weird. The starting Leinster backline with everyone healthy has Dan Leavy at six, all day. And yet he's not in the squad but Ruddock is.

He might be slightly injured from last week but he's available for selection for Wasps and he might even play.

There are a few unusual calls that suggest these decisions are not entirely being made on form.

The Lost Sheep

troyzer wrote: »

Ah now, Challenge cup is not proper European Rugby. Sure even Friend knows that, he was putting experimental sides out against Perpignan.

I don't want this to descend into a mud slinging fest.

It's not just Carty/Byrne that's strange. I also think Roux missing out to Ultan is weird. The starting Leinster backline with everyone healthy has Dan Leavy at six, all day. And yet he's not in the squad but Ruddock is.

He might be slightly injured from last week but he's available for selection for Wasps and he might even play.

There are a few unusual calls that suggest these decisions are not entirely being made on form.

Thats not unusual. Coaches wanting different things is very usual. Carty/Byrne isnt strange.
Ultan for one reason or another hasnt played for Ireland in a year. He has come back into form and its only a squad for two games. I wouldnt be reading into the announcement half as much as you are.

Wegians89

The Friend Zone

Think carty has a better all round game than Byrne, they only real place I think Byrne is better is tactical kicking and this is an area carty is improving. Carty is a much bigger threat with ball in hand, has a varied attack, no slouch with a cross field kick, and Carty is miles better defensively which is probably due to being exposed more often.

Thought Byrnes kicking game suits Ireland’s game plan better so slightly surprised to see Byrne left out.

Wegians89

The Friend Zone

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Carty played European rugby 4 days ago.

Some quality teams in the challenge cup, looking at the sale team that came to Galway even wouldn’t be out of place in the champions cup

Utopia Parkway

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Carty played European rugby 4 days ago.

Against Sale who are better than some of the English sides in the Champions Cup this season.

Plus Carty has just finished playing Leinster and Munster who are both top of their groups in the Champions Cup.

The quality of opposition argument doesn't really hold much water.

Carty deserves his chance. Byrne is a good player but I see him as being a solid dependable type of player more than a superstar. I think he lacks a bit of x-factor personally. Carty has a bit of x-factor and the fundamentals of his game have come along an awful lot over the past 18 months.

That said Joe usually veers towards a Byrne type rather than a Carty type especially with Carbery providing the surprise element already so I'm slightly surprised he went for Jack.

Redo91

You've got a Friend in me

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Byrne still better? What Carty are you talking about? Luke?

Diabhal Beag

Has Byrne in his bollocks better than Carty in the last two seasons btw. He even has the benefit of having higher quality around him and Carty still would have put together more bigger showings. Carty has also not had a wise head like Sexton to guide him. Carty was for a long time the only proper outhalf we had since McGinty.

Bazzo

Mul, it's over

Fair ****s to all three but especially fair ****s to Jack Carty after a lot of the ****e that's been spouted about him through the years.

Mul, it's over

Congrats lads - some big calls gone out West and a few lads must be very proud of what they've achieved. Hope they push on now and make a case for inclusion in a couple of 23's.

KBurke85

The Friend Zone

troyzer wrote: »

WallyGUFC wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

The obvious counter argument to that is that Carty doesn't play any European rugby and doesn't play games nearly as tough as Byrne.

And I wouldn't knock Connacht, they have a serious pack which beats a lot of others. Including that Leinster reserve back in the December interpro.

But having watched a lot of Connacht this year I genuinely don't think Carty has been better.

But I can't be objective and neither can you.

I have faith in Joe, we shall see what happens.

Carty played European rugby 4 days ago.

Ah now, Challenge cup is not proper European Rugby. Sure even Friend knows that, he was putting experimental sides out against Perpignan.

I don't want this to descend into a mud slinging fest.

It's not just Carty/Byrne that's strange. I also think Roux missing out to Ultan is weird. The starting Leinster backline with everyone healthy has Dan Leavy at six, all day. And yet he's not in the squad but Ruddock is.

He might be slightly injured from last week but he's available for selection for Wasps and he might even play.

There are a few unusual calls that suggest these decisions are not entirely being made on form.

The release says Leavy will most likely return to the squad when he’s back to full fitness

gally74

The Friend Zone

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Carty left Byrne for dust in the interpro at Christmas.

troyzer

gally74 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Carty left Byrne for dust in the interpro at Christmas.

You mean the game he lost?

Carty was better on the night for the most part though I agree.

ClanofLams

Mul, it's over

troyzer wrote: »

You mean the game he lost?

Carty was better on the night for the most part though I agree.

He means the game Carty was man of the match in. Despise nonsense spouted by various posters after about ‘game management’ and other jargon trying to diminish Cartys performance, who couldn’t point to an error Carty made when requested, Joe Schmidt is clearly capable of analysis which extends beyond this team lost so their out half must have f**ked up.

troyzer

ClanofLams wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

You mean the game he lost?

Carty was better on the night for the most part though I agree.

He means the game Carty was man of the match in. Despise nonsense spouted by various posters after about ‘game management’ and other jargon trying to diminish Cartys performance, who couldn’t point to an error Carty made when requested, Joe Schmidt is clearly capable of analysis which extends beyond this team lost so their out half must have f**ked up.

I don't think Carty ****ed up and I don't think he's the reason they lost.

He was the better outhalf on the night.

MarinersBlues

Mul, it's over

Carty deserves his call up.
Byrne is unlucky to miss out.

Byrne's cross field kick, that I see people referencing, was good but you could put together a 5 minute highlights clip of Carty doing the same this year.
He has been doing that nearly every game for the last two years.

Redo91

You've got a Friend in me

troyzer wrote: »

gally74 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Carty left Byrne for dust in the interpro at Christmas.

You mean the game he lost?

Carty was better on the night for the most part though I agree.

In case you didn’t notice Rugby is a TEAM GAME. Carty didn’t lose it. Connacht did. He played much better than Byrne on the day. By your logic should just pick the entire Leinster team since those players win all around them.

troyzer

Redo91 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

gally74 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not annoyed at Byrne missing out. I'm more confused.

Carty has been on a great run of form lately but Byrne has been consistently better for ages and still is.

He was third choice only 6 weeks ago in the AIs. I don't understand what has changed since then.

Very strange.

Carty left Byrne for dust in the interpro at Christmas.

You mean the game he lost?

Carty was better on the night for the most part though I agree.

In case you didn’t notice Rugby is a TEAM GAME. Carty didn’t lose it. Connacht did. He played much better than Byrne on the day. By your logic should just pick the entire Leinster team since those players win all around them.

You said it, not me.....

Robbo

I can't believe it's not Butler

Bazzo wrote: »

Fair ****s to all three but especially fair ****s to Jack Carty after a lot of the ****e that's been spouted about him through the years.

Meanwhile in the home of a former poster, the sherry is well and truly open...

MarinersBlues

Mul, it's over

Robbo wrote: »

Meanwhile in the home of a former poster, the sherry is well and truly open...

It actually pissed me off that I gave him a thought today when I heard the squad.
I shouldn't have paid him any attention, not one ounce!

Chex LeMeneux

Delighted for all but especially Carty! Anyone know who the last Irish rugby international from Roscommon was? Great for the game west of the Shannon!

ClanofLams

Mul, it's over

MarinersBlues wrote: »

It actually pissed me off that I gave him a thought today when I heard the squad.
I shouldn't have paid him any attention, not one ounce!

To be fair he was a genuine Connacht fan I think, even if one with rather extreme views. There was another poster who used to just join the thread to troll Carty anytime he had a poor game or made a mistake (never commenting on anyone else), it was very odd, like some long held grudge or something, he must be properly sickened today.

troyzer

Chex LeMeneux wrote: »

Delighted for all but especially Carty! Anyone know who the last Irish rugby international from Roscommon was? Great for the game west of the Shannon!

Noel Mannion was from Roscommon wasn't he?

The Lost Sheep

troyzer wrote: »

Noel Mannion was from Roscommon wasn't he?

No. Ballinasloe

troyzer

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Noel Mannion was from Roscommon wasn't he?

No. Ballinasloe

Isn't part of Ballinasloe in Roscommon?

freyners

The Friend Zone

troyzer wrote: »

Isn't part of Ballinasloe in Roscommon?

The old border was the suck river and you'll hear some rossies claim it still is with the local rivalry but the whole of ballinasloe town is considered inside Galway county for a long period of time