Should Dublin ban Burqas and Hijabs?

Odhinn

jmayo wrote: »

But did the regime (.................) created by khomeini was barbaric in some respects.

As bad as the current lot are, its at least run by iranians for iranians, not a tinpot shia version of saudi.

PlaneSpeeking

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't think anyone on here, not eotr nor me either, stated that we think a cross should be banned.
We said, again, your employer makes the rules. Don't like them? Leave.
& when did your apology change from a muslim parent to a Muslim colleague?

Believe me, we have both.

Whilst I grudgingly accept we can do f**k all about parents, colleagues are not supported.

We have had female workers, gay male workers etc - all ignored by visitors.
They tend to call over the nearest straight looking bloke and complain "I won't talk to this person, get me a gentleman". Right in front of you. No one says anything against them.

All for the money they bring in. Just out of line.

Either we're treated the same, or something is badly wrong here.

dennispenn

end of the road wrote: »

no doubt some are but all of them? how would you know that exactly?

You could ask them?
Which channel 4 did.
The results aren't good for gay people.

But they didn't have to poll them to find out what they really think.
Perhaps I'm being unfair,if they did the polling in an Islamic majority country,perhaps the results would be different. ðŸ˜

PlaneSpeeking

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Believe me, we have both.

Whilst I grudgingly accept we can do f**k all about parents, colleagues are not supported.

We have had female workers, gay male workers etc - all ignored by visitors.
They tend to call over the nearest straight looking bloke and complain "I won't talk to this person, get me a gentleman". Right in front of you. No one says anything against them.

All for the money they bring in. Just out of line.

Either we're treated the same, or something is badly wrong here.

But you are comparing different things.
Your employer has to treat the employees the same way.
Your customers or whatever can do or say whatever they want.
There are rude obnoxious people in all walks of life, & yes I have encountered many.
But what do you think should happen? Do you think your employer should start making rules for people they do not employ?

dennispenn

dennispenn wrote: »

You could ask them?
Which channel 4 did.
The results aren't good for gay people.

But they didn't have to poll them to find out what they really think.
Perhaps I'm being unfair,if they did the polling in an Islamic majority country,perhaps the results would be different. ðŸ˜

Chanel 4 asked 1000 people, out of 2.6 million Muslims in Britain.
Do you have any idea where these muslims are from or how they were picked? I don't.

dennispenn

bubblypop wrote: »

Chanel 4 asked 1000 people, out of 2.6 million Muslims in Britain.
Do you have any idea where these muslims are from or how they were picked? I don't.

Unlike many other surveys of Muslim opinion, which have predominantly been done by phone or online, ICM used face-to-face, in-home research to question a representative sample of 1,000 Muslims across Great Britain. ICM also used a “control sample” to compare what British Muslims thought with the rest of the British population.

At the top-line level, the survey suggests that a mainstream British Muslim majority have similar values and attitudes to the wider British public on issues such as support for British institutions and a feeling of belonging to Britain.

But looking deeper into the results, a chasm develops between those Muslims surveyed and the wider population on attitudes to liberal values on issues such as gender equality, homosexuality and issues relating to freedom of expression. And it also reveals significant differences on attitudes to violence and terrorism.

The survey’s findings include:

34% would inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria

Q: If you thought that someone who is close to you was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria, would you report it to the police?


52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain

Q: To what extent you agree or disagree with each one: homosexuality should be legal in Britain?

Net agree 18% (strongly agree 8%, tend to agree 10%)

Net disagree: 52% (strongly disagree: 38%, tend to disagree: 14%)

47% do not believe that it is acceptable for a school teacher to be homosexual

Q: To what extent do you agree or disagree that it is acceptable for a homosexual person to be a teacher in a school?

Net disagree: 47% (strongly disagree: 35%, tend to disagree: 12%)




ICM Unlimited interviewed a random sample of 1,081 adults aged 18+ who self-identified themselves as belonging to the Muslim faith. Interviews were carried out face-to-face, in-home, in geographical areas in which minimum Muslims incidence was confirmed by Census to be a minimum of 20%. Interviews took place between 25th April and 31st May 2015 and the data has been weighted to representative of all Muslims by age, gender, work status and region.

A nationally representative control sample of 1,008 adults aged 18+ was also conducted, by telephone, between 5th-7th June 2015. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults.

For a copy of the full survey, please visit: www.icmunlimited.com

Thanks for that, I will read the whole thing later.
It seems though that more 'upper class'
Muslims think differently to the 'lower classes'?

Cordell

52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain
47% do not believe that it is acceptable for a school teacher to be homosexual

This is strange - some of those that think that homosexuality should be illegal also think that is acceptable that a school teacher to be homosexual. In a face to face survey, if I were to be the surveyor, I would go back and clarify when faced with such a strange reply.

Dannyriver

dennispenn wrote: »

Unlike many other surveys of Muslim opinion, which have predominantly been done by phone or online, ICM used face-to-face, in-home research to question a representative sample of 1,000 Muslims across Great Britain. ICM also used a “control sample” to compare what British Muslims thought with the rest of the British population.

At the top-line level, the survey suggests that a mainstream British Muslim majority have similar values and attitudes to the wider British public on issues such as support for British institutions and a feeling of belonging to Britain.

But looking deeper into the results, a chasm develops between those Muslims surveyed and the wider population on attitudes to liberal values on issues such as gender equality, homosexuality and issues relating to freedom of expression. And it also reveals significant differences on attitudes to violence and terrorism.

The survey’s findings include:

34% would inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria

Q: If you thought that someone who is close to you was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria, would you report it to the police?


52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain

Q: To what extent you agree or disagree with each one: homosexuality should be legal in Britain?

Net agree 18% (strongly agree 8%, tend to agree 10%)

Net disagree: 52% (strongly disagree: 38%, tend to disagree: 14%)

47% do not believe that it is acceptable for a school teacher to be homosexual

Q: To what extent do you agree or disagree that it is acceptable for a homosexual person to be a teacher in a school?

Net disagree: 47% (strongly disagree: 35%, tend to disagree: 12%)




ICM Unlimited interviewed a random sample of 1,081 adults aged 18+ who self-identified themselves as belonging to the Muslim faith. Interviews were carried out face-to-face, in-home, in geographical areas in which minimum Muslims incidence was confirmed by Census to be a minimum of 20%. Interviews took place between 25th April and 31st May 2015 and the data has been weighted to representative of all Muslims by age, gender, work status and region.

A nationally representative control sample of 1,008 adults aged 18+ was also conducted, by telephone, between 5th-7th June 2015. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults.

For a copy of the full survey, please visit: www.icmunlimited.com

read this one as well while your at it

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-muslims-ipsos-mori-liberal-imams-islam-a8334196.html

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/review-survey-research-muslims-britain-0

dennispenn

Dannyriver wrote: »

read this one as well while your at it

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-muslims-ipsos-mori-liberal-imams-islam-a8334196.html

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/review-survey-research-muslims-britain-0

I did. Why did you post these links?

First link is to an opinion piece in the independent where Zack hassan, whoever he is, tells us that young Muslims are becoming more liberal. This is only his opinion of course. He cites maajid nawaz as a reformist. I assume he is talking about reforming Islam? Do you know who maajid nawaz is?

He's a man who "actively recruited Pakistani army officer's" to overthrow a government in Egypt
He was thrown in jail there for his jihadi ways.
He's free now though to commentate and share his view's on Islam to the British public, talking about reform is an absolute joke! But a cunning wordsmith like nawaz can easily fool the kufar. It is only the people who pay close attention to the ex jihadi can see right through him. He's a narcissistic racist!

jmayo

Odhinn wrote: »

As bad as the current lot are, its at least run by iranians for iranians, not a tinpot shia version of saudi.

That must be comforting to the poor woman buried up to her neck in sand about to be stoned to death.

Or perhaps to the gay guy about to fooked off a building.

Or perhaps to those about to be strung up on a crane.

I can just imagine they are thinking

"at least it's my own fellow citizens that are doing this to me, it would be much worse if it was those evil Americans behind it."

Jaysus h on a bicycle you guys really do search for any type of excusitory shyte when it comes to your preferred religion.

Wibbs

Dannyriver wrote: »

read this one as well while your at it

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-muslims-ipsos-mori-liberal-imams-islam-a8334196.html

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/review-survey-research-muslims-britain-0

Basically the same results, but read from the other angle.

Me. Previously. wrote: »

A survey was commissioned by Channel 4 into attitudes among British Muslims. Now there were some encouraging positives. Things like a feeling of being "British" and a strong feeling of belonging in their local area(I'd be more interested to see the survey account for how many were living in areas that were predominantly folks with similar backgrounds) were higher than background. There also was a very low level of support for acts of terror. However, over half thought homosexuality shouldn't be legal and nearly half thought Gay people shouldn't be teachers. Nearly a quarter believed Sharia law should be introduced in some areas. Over a third thought wives should always obey their husbands. One in six wanted to live separately to the background culture.

[emphasis mine]

Note - and contrary to those who may think me a nazi - I looked at both sides, both positive and negative. The more extreme anti Islam will only concentrate on the negatives and ignore the rest, the more extreme "right on" will only concentrate on the positives and ignore the rest. And this is precisely what we're seeing here. Not a shock.

Saw that earlier when Odhinn posted that ME countries were doing their part and he got thanked for it, even though his figures were plucked from the air and not based on reality. One's position going in leads to blinkers to anything outside of it. On both sides.

jmayo

dennispenn wrote: »

I did. Why did you post these links?

First link is to an opinion piece in the independent where Zack hassan, whoever he is, tells us that young Muslims are becoming more liberal. This is only his opinion of course. He cites maajid nawaz as a reformist. I assume he is talking about reforming Islam? Do you know who maajid nawaz is?

He's a man who "actively recruited Pakistani army officer's" to overthrow a government in Egypt
He was thrown in jail there for his jihadi ways.
He's free now though to commentate and share his view's on Islam to the British public, talking about reform is an absolute joke! But a cunning wordsmith like nawaz can easily fool the kufar. It is only the people who pay close attention to the ex jihadi can see right through him. He's a narcissistic racist!

He is one of the few muslims and ex radical at that who has openly, with big risk to his own safety, criticised muslims and islam.

You do know he has supported Tommy Robinson and they actually get on well?
He was one of the few, even among non muslims, who backed Robinson's assertion that muslim men were far more likely to be involved in child grooming gangs in Britain.

But now all the anti Robinson brigade will use your quote above about Maajid Nawaz being a "narcissistic racist" and that is why he gets on so well with Robinson. :rolleyes:

Wibbs

jmayo wrote: »

I can just imagine they are thinking

"at least it's my own fellow citizens that are doing this to me, it would be much worse if it was those evil Americans."

Well the new "Left" hate America and Israel as a general rule, so any stick to beat them with. They also have this orientalist love going on, as well as cultural relativism as a given(save for western culture which is usually seen as bankrupt).

There is no argument that the Shah was a complete tyrant who with the help of the Yanks(and others) raped the country of resources. He was also a moron. No really. His aides have backed that up. It was high ranking lackeys that ran things. The Iranian cities "modernised", but the rural areas stayed true to the old ways to a much larger extent. The revolution was a near foregone conclusion and that the Ayatollahs would come back to fill the power void. They were welcomed back. For good reasons. Then as revolutions tend to do they lost the run of themselves and people, particularly the educated started to ask WTF. It did indeed became a "tinpot shia version of saudi". Shows how much of a grasp of history some have.

Persians tend to be a practical people mind you, so there's a much larger element of "ah sure it'll be grand like" at the grassroots level compared crapholes like Saudi Arabia. Of all the ME nations I'd be willing to bet that Iran would head to more liberal than any of them and it would be stemming from a more deep cultural basis too. If they were geographically in the mix I'd welcome Iran into the EU far more quickly than somewhere like Turkey. However, so long as the US paints Iran the boogyman in the region, and paint them they do, because they're running out of them*, that'll be in the back burner.





*and they can't piss off the Saudis. If Saudi had no oil, it would be a holy Islamic tourist trap and little else and the Yanks wouldn't give them an inch if they got bolshie. As ever, money talks. At the moment.

Dannyriver

dennispenn wrote: »

I did. Why did you post these links?

First link is to an opinion piece in the independent where Zack hassan, whoever he is, tells us that young Muslims are becoming more liberal. This is only his opinion of course. He cites maajid nawaz as a reformist. I assume he is talking about reforming Islam? Do you know who maajid nawaz is?

He's a man who "actively recruited Pakistani army officer's" to overthrow a government in Egypt
He was thrown in jail there for his jihadi ways.
He's free now though to commentate and share his view's on Islam to the British public, talking about reform is an absolute joke! But a cunning wordsmith like nawaz can easily fool the kufar. It is only the people who pay close attention to the ex jihadi can see right through him. He's a narcissistic racist!

The thing I enjoy about you most is your assumption that the only reason anyone is not up in arms about the imminent invasion of radical Islam and it's master plan to turn western democracy into Sharia law is the fact that we are not informed 'woke' to the threat. Sleep walking stuck in an echo chamber of liberal fake news. Twice now you ve asked me whether I'm aware of people Douglas Murray earlier in the thread and now Majiid Nawaz. Yes I am aware of both and have listened to what both have to say ...as a matter of interest do you not find it interesting that you don t like Majisd Nawaz and neither do Islamic extremists...which if I were to use a venn diagram there would be a rather large union where they intersect where you would be sitting pretty with the ISIS boys.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/review-survey-research-muslims-britain-0

PS you ignored the second independent survey...is that fake news?

Galwayguy35

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't think anyone on here, not eotr nor me either, stated that we think a cross should be banned.
We said, again, your employer makes the rules. Don't like them? Leave.
& when did your apology change from a muslim parent to a Muslim colleague?

And if the employer told a muslim to remove the burqa would you say they should just leave as well?

After all its just a religious symbol.

Dannyriver

Wibbs wrote: »

Basically the same results, but read from the other angle.

[emphasis mine]

Note - and contrary to those who may think me a nazi - I looked at both sides, both positive and negative. The more extreme anti Islam will only concentrate on the negatives and ignore the rest, the more extreme "right on" will only concentrate on the positives and ignore the rest. And this is precisely what we're seeing here. Not a shock.

Saw that earlier when Odhinn posted that ME countries were doing their part and he got thanked for it, even though his figures were plucked from the air and not based on reality. One's position going in leads to blinkers to anything outside of it. On both sides.[/QUOTE]

Agreed that s why all research needs to be robust and rigourous and tested for bias...an objective meta analysis is probably the only way to get a true picture.

Vincent Vega

I've been wondering how things like knitted beard hats might be affected by any legislation introduced to ban face covering.

Surely it wouldn't make them illegal too?

Dannyriver

jmayo wrote: »

That must be comforting to the poor woman buried up to her neck in sand about to be stoned to death.

Or perhaps to the gay guy about to fooked off a building.

Or perhaps to those about to be strung up on a crane.

I can just imagine they are thinking

"at least it's my own fellow citizens that are doing this to me, it would be much worse if it was those evil Americans behind it."

Jaysus h on a bicycle you guys really do search for any type of excusitory shyte when it comes to your preferred religion.

I ve always found the US to be pretty evil whether it be democrat /republican Obama or Clinton , they ve been a worldwide bully since the second world war, ****ing with nation sovereignty throughout the world , just as imperielist as Russia . Just because a person thinks Trump's a **** doesn't mean they love Hillary. It's that infantile black and white good and evil that s perpetuated by social media which demands simple narratives that has seen the greatest shift in world politics in the past 20 years. And now the genie is out of the bottle the train is unstoppable and the consequences won t be pretty that s for sure.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

And if the employer told a muslim to remove the burqa would you say they should just leave as well?

After all its just a religious symbol.

If it was a workplace rule that religious symbols should not be worn, then yes.
One rule for all employees, you cannot discriminate.
I would imagine the issue would be known before someone gets the job though.

dennispenn

jmayo wrote: »

He is one of the few muslims and ex radical at that who has openly, with big risk to his own safety, criticised muslims and islam.

You do know he has supported Tommy Robinson and they actually get on well?
He was one of the few, even among non muslims, who backed Robinson's assertion that muslim men were far more likely to be involved in child grooming gangs in Britain.

But now all the anti Robinson brigade will use your quote above about Maajid Nawaz being a "narcissistic racist" and that is why he gets on so well with Robinson. :rolleyes:

I know quite a bit on maajid,including the time he put in with Tommy as Tommy was leaving the EDL. He never lets his listeners forget it. Tommy Left the EDL because it was infiltrated with Nazis etc.

Where are all the army officer's that nawaz recruited? Where are all these jihads? He never speaks about them,never. His only goal is to raise his own profile and Garner as many shackles from the white man,because it is the white man that's funding him,foolishly imo. You rightly said,some Muslims do dislike him because they see him as blasphemous yet maajid still claims to be a Muslim, a non practicing Muslim whatever that is.
He can still recite 1/2 the Quran. An incredible feat for someone to do despite not practicing the Faith. .... I don't buy it. You couldn't recite the Quran by heart unless you are constantly revising it like anything else in life. Only a small percentage of Muslims in the world can recite it by heart.... And a fair heap of them are working with terror groups like ISIS

But maajid backing Tommy Robinson in his quest to reveal the truth about the Pakistani racist,paedophile rape gangs,lets call them exactly what they instead of as maajid puts it, ASIAN grooming gangs,is laughable. He deserves zero credit. He rarely speaks of them and when he does he refers to them as Asians... He still refers to Tommy Robinson as ex EDL leader when referencing him but never introduces himself as ex jailed jihadi....

To conclude, maajid knows that ISLAM cannot be reformed. He knows this well. All he is doing is adjitating a certain sect of Islam with his intellectual buffoonery.
His QUILLIAN anti terror organization never ever prevented one terror attack. That's why the government pulled the funding for it.

He's a charlatan.

Galwayguy35

bubblypop wrote: »

If it was a workplace rule that religious symbols should not be worn, then yes.
One rule for all employees, you cannot discriminate.
I would imagine the issue would be known before someone gets the job though.

Good to see we are on the same page.

So you should have no problem with an outright ban so seeing as you think its acceptable for an employer to do so.

Galwayguy35

end of the road wrote: »

it's more cultural rather then religious from what i understand. however, given it's clothing, it may not be as simple for an employer to ask for it's removal then it would be for example, a cross which is a religious symbol.

Nope its the same thing, the cross might mean just as much to a christian as the burqa does to to muslim but if one has to remove it then so should the other.

end of the road

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Good to see we are on the same page.

So you should have no problem with an outright ban so seeing as you think its acceptable for an employer to do so.

i do have a problem with an outright ban. it's not required and would take funding away from other, actual, issues.

Dannyriver

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Nope its the same thing, the cross might mean just as much to a christian as the burqa does to to muslim nut if one has to remove it then so should the other.

Galwayguy35

Dannyriver wrote: »

But

Captain Obvious

Dannyriver wrote: »

He can't help it.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Good to see we are on the same page.

So you should have no problem with an outright ban so seeing as you think its acceptable for an employer to do so.

Well I don't fancy living in any more of a nanny state then we already do.
I have no problem with employers making the rules for their work place, there are plenty of rules from my employer as to what I can & cannot do, even outside work.
I would have a problem with the government banning me from wearing an item of clothing!

Dannyriver

Captain Obvious wrote: »

He can't help it.

He s not even aware of it till it's highlighted, internally normalised.

Galwayguy35

Dannyriver wrote: »

He s not even aware of it till it's highlighted, internally normalised.

Well the n was beside the b so my sentence wouldn't have made sense if it was nut I was saying.

I have no problem at all calling them nuts but not in this case.

Galwayguy35

bubblypop wrote: »

Well I don't fancy living in any more of a nanny state then we already do.
I have no problem with employers making the rules for their work place, there are plenty of rules from my employer as to what I can & cannot do, even outside work.
I would have a problem with the government banning me from wearing an item of clothing!

3 countries that I'm guessing you would class as liberal (well I think they are anyway) have banned it, if muslims want to live in the west they need to accept the way of life or return to Islamic countries where they can cover up all they want to.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

3 countries that I'm guessing you would class as liberal (well I think they are anyway) have banned it, if muslims want to live in the west they need to accept the way of life or return to Islamic countries where they can cover up all they want to.

Yes, they may have but I don't want to give in a country that bans me from wearing some clothes if I want to.

Dannyriver

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

3 countries that I'm guessing you would class as liberal (well I think they are anyway) have banned it, if muslims want to live in the west they need to accept the way of life or return to Islamic countries where they can cover up all they want to.

Do you feel the 10 000 Irish and 250 000 Britons should have to cover up in the UAE or go home . ?

Galwayguy35

Dannyriver wrote: »

Do you feel the 10 000 Irish and 250 000 Britons should have to cover up in the UAE or go home . ?

Their country their rules.

Dannyriver

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Their country their rules.

Fair enough , thankfully for all the Irish/Brits/Yanks and Canadians who live there the Muslims are more tolerant of diversity than you are. Isn't that a turn up for the books.

Galwayguy35

Dannyriver wrote: »

Fair enough , thankfully for all the Irish/Brits/Yanks and Canadians who live there the Muslims are more tolerant of diversity than you are. Isn't that a turn up for the books.

It's just a religious symbol, nobody is going to die if they don't wear it.

If anything they should be delighted about not having to wear it.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If anything they should be delighted about not having to wear it.

But that's not your decision to make, that's up to the ladies whether they want to or not.

CinemaGuy45

When chiming in with an opinion on a subject I ask myself how is this going to impact on my life.

As regards the Burka how many of them do we see in Ireland?
I can not remember the last time I saw a Burka.
What about banning quads and scrambler bikes these are a menace.

Galwayguy35

bubblypop wrote: »

But that's not your decision to make, that's up to the ladies whether they want to or not.

Now you don't really believe they all get a choice in it do you?

You seem to want to ignore that bit.

K.Flyer

bubblypop wrote: »

But that's not your decision to make, that's up to the ladies whether they want to or not.

In some places they are not given the freedom to decide for themselves what they can or cannot wear.
In all seriousness, who would want to be clad from head to toe in all black in 30 plus degrees of heat, while their male counterparts can wear white short sleeve shirts.

CinemaGuy45

K.Flyer wrote: »

In some places they are not given the freedom to decide for themselves what they can or cannot wear.
In all seriousness, who would want to be clad from head to toe in all black in 30 plus degrees of heat, while their male counterparts can wear white short sleeve shirts.

Being forced to wear stuff.
We can not even walk down the street as God made us.
Our culture finds the sight of a body offensive.

K.Flyer

K.Flyer wrote: »

In some places they are not given the freedom to decide for themselves what they can or cannot wear.
In all seriousness, who would want to be clad from head to toe in all black in 30 plus degrees of heat, while their male counterparts can wear white short sleeve shirts.

In some places they probably are not .
However, I don't believe the Irish government should dictate to them or me or any of us what we should of shouldn't wear!

Dannyriver

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's just a religious symbol, nobody is going to die if they don't wear it.

If anything they should be delighted about not having to wear it.

Centuries of culture/religion/societal traditions summed up by Galway guy who knows ****all about it ...now that s arrogance if you ask me. As I said thankfully the Muslims in the UAE are more tolerant than you are.

dennispenn

bubblypop wrote: »

Yes, they may have but I don't want to give in a country that bans me from wearing some clothes if I want to.

What clothes do wear and you think might be banned if a burka ban was enforced?

dennispenn

dennispenn wrote: »

What clothes do wear and you think might be banned if a burka ban was enforced?

Well what if I fancy wearing a Burka?

dennispenn

bubblypop wrote: »

Well what if I fancy wearing a Burka?

But would you? For a laugh?
Have Muslims a good sense of humour? Do you think they might see a funny side to it?



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Crea

Would this ban include not allowing nuns wear veils?

Henry Ford III

I'd ban hoodies personally. I'd also ban that Islamic sh1te.

thebull85

Crea wrote: »

Would this ban include not allowing nuns wear veils?

Why would it? They are clearly not the same thing.

dennispenn

dennispenn wrote: »

But would you? For a laugh?
Have Muslims a good sense of humour? Do you think they might see a funny side to it?
L
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No I wouldn't do it for a laugh.
But what If I I decided one day, to wear one?
Just because I wanted to.
Should the Irish government ban me from wearing it?