US cancels finiancial aid to Pakistan and Palestine

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

No harm to cut funds from Pakistan. One of the worst countries on earth.

Irish Praetorian

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Time for the strong to crush the weak. That’s what netanyahu says anyhoo.

I believe the specific quote was “In the Middle East, and in many parts of the world, there is a simple truth — there is no place for the weak”


And he was kind of right though wasn't he? I mean the only place in the Arab world where Jews exist in any significant number is Israel. In any case the state of affairs in the Palestinian territories has become so ossified I think any prospect for a shake-up should be considered.

ressem

timthumbni wrote: »

So they shouldn’t expect to get money from the yanks then, yes? Everyone’s better off. The Palis can have their integrity and the yanks can keep their money. It’s a win win situation...

The former US Army officer that heads up the UNRWA for palestinians disagrees,

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/02/08/584077915/half-a-million-children-are-at-risk-if-the-u-s-cuts-palestinian-aid-u-n-agency

As a former Army officer, how do you make the case that the U.S. should help UNRWA? Do you argue this is a security matter?

People, especially in the Department of Defense, understand the challenges that this could create. I have a lot of interaction with the Israeli army and they clearly understand what this means if UNRWA is not providing these services and it has them a bit nervous.

Trump claims that the number of people eligible to benefit from these funds needs to drop, by removing the status of refugee from the descendants of refugees. But this is not within the gift of the organisation

Can UNRWA change how it defines refugees? Right now, there are several generations of Palestinians considered to be refugees.

Derivative status or generational status of a refugee is applied the same at UNRWA as [The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees]. So, while perhaps not as public, there are caseloads that UNCHR has where you have kind of the same two or three generations that maintain that status. There are a million Afghan refugees, for example, in Pakistan that have not been able to go back. Refugee status is conferred down until there is a solution found. Our mandate comes from the U.N. General Assembly. It is next up in 2020.

(And the restriction to 1st generation refugees is somewhat incongruous when compared with the law of return for those with Jewish ancestry)

Poor_old_gill

ressem wrote: »

It's seen as mostly cooled down since 2001. The Albanian secessionists that tried to take control of Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa from Serbia were driven out by the Serbian government with NATO help. Start up a separate thread if you want to.

No I’m asking why is the Palestinian cause seen as being so fashionable?
Ahead of several similar issues

CruelCoin

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

No I’m asking why is the Palestinian cause seen as being so fashionable?
Ahead of several similar issues

"Cough" dem jews" "cough"
Sorry, something stuck in my throat.

FTA69

CruelCoin wrote: »

"Cough" dem jews" "cough"
Sorry, something stuck in my throat.

That's it yeah, anyone who disagrees with ongoing colonialism and apartheid must be an anti-Semite.

Richard Hillman

Can't believe they were giving Palestinians money in the first place. They were dancing in the streets after 9/11.

Pakistan was harbouring Bin Laden.

America First

sbsquarepants

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I just don’t get that obsession with the Palestinian cause. They lost battles and this land- is this not something played out throughout history?

I think a lot of it has to do with the Israelis being such a shower of cúnts.


As for aid to Pakistan - fúck that. You've money to spend on a nuclear power / weapons program but not to build shacks for the population, you need "aid" for that. Fúck off!

archer22

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Can't believe they were giving Palestinians money in the first place. They were dancing in the streets after 9/11.

Pakistan was harbouring Bin Laden.

America First

I thought the ones dancing were Israelis...if I remember correctly.

CrankyHaus

Manic Moran wrote: »

Not sure about Palestine, but a little more info from Reuters today about the Pakistan cancellation.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pakistan-military-exclusive/exclusive-pentagon-cancels-aid-to-pakistan-over-record-on-militants-idUSKCN1LH3TA



Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Pakistan has been a poor ally for a long time. Leaving aside its ties to militant islamists, palling up to China (largest arms supplier, 3rd largest trading partner, "civil" nuclear cooperation announced in 2010) can't have helped, particularly now as the US focuses more on great power confrontation.

CruelCoin

archer22 wrote: »

I thought the ones dancing were Israelis...if I remember correctly.

Anyone in the middle east with legs was dancing.

CruelCoin

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Pakistan has been a poor ally for a long time. Leaving aside its ties to militant islamists, palling up to China (largest arms supplier, 3rd largest trading partner, "civil" nuclear cooperation announced in 2010) can't have helped, particularly now as the US focuses more on great power confrontation.

That and refusing/unable to control the Taliban operating in the tribal areas.
Afghanistan on the brink of reverting to Taliban rule and undoing everything that all that American blood and treasure was spent on, still Pakistan turn the blind eye.
"Death to America" chants when you withdraw support? Pffft.

That money would be better spent on better allies.

Gatling

It now seems they are withdrawing all of their special forces units and supports from Africa , which are at the forefront of fighting various terror groups across the continent

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

FTA69 wrote: »

That's it yeah, anyone who disagrees with ongoing colonialism and apartheid must be an anti-Semite.

There's plenty of antisemitism on the left, as seen in recent crises in the UK's Labour Party. Opposing Israel is often just a polite cover for the antisemitism that has infected the left since the 19th century, when it was seen as a progressive form of anti-capitalism that could serve the socialist cause.

Poor_old_gill

FTA69 wrote: »

That's it yeah, anyone who disagrees with ongoing colonialism and apartheid must be an anti-Semite.

I’m not sure it is anti semitism and I’m not implying that.

I’m just trying to get an understanding as to why this is always the romantic cause that people cling to. There are many others that don’t get 1% of the airtime.

Like it is similar to so many other parts of the world where there has been a mixed ethnic population- a war has broken out and someone has come out on top. The 5 days war probably sealed the fate of the Palestinians as it made the Israelies even more paranoid and determined to cling to what they had

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I’m just trying to get an understanding as to why this is always the romantic cause that people cling to.

Because it's an opportunity to bash the Jews and also their allies the Americans, while pretending to care about the poor and oppressed. It's a perfect cause for the antisemitic, anti-American left to rally behind.

Odhinn

Yara Gifted Peep wrote: »

Because it's an opportunity to bash the Jews and also their allies the Americans, while pretending to care about the poor and oppressed. It's a perfect cause for the antisemitic, anti-American left to rally behind.

When short on facts, add and stir.

skepticalme

The US cancelling the UNRWA aid at the request of Israel is to get the right of return for refugees for the palastinians off the table. Part of Trump's deal of the century for Israel and Palestine is to close down UNRWA so Palastinians are not considered refugees anymore and lose their claim to go home. No 2 state solution, the West Bank annexed. Gaza to become Egypts problem. None of this has been discussed with Palastians but Israel agree. Japan has promised money as have other countries.

Netenyahu said
The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.

This quote has been compared with a quote in 1923 by Hitler
The whole of Nature is a mighty struggle between strength and weakness, an eternal victory of the strong over the weak .

Odhinn

skepticalme wrote: »

The US cancelling the UNRWA aid at the request of Israel is to get the right of return for refugees for the palastinians off the table. Part of Trump's deal of the century for Israel and Palestine is to close down UNRWA so Palastinians are not considered refugees anymore and lose their claim to go home. No 2 state solution, the West Bank annexed. Gaza to become Egypts problem. None of this has been discussed with Palastians but Israel agree. Japan has promised money as have other countries.

Netenyahu said
The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.

This quote has been compared with a quote in 1923 by Hitler
The whole of Nature is a mighty struggle between strength and weakness, an eternal victory of the strong over the weak .

In private it's been essentially ditched many years ago.

In 2008, Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas was close to accepting a peace agreement that would include only a symbolic Israeli concession to the “right of return” for Palestinian refugees, the New Republic reported on Monday.
According to the magazine’s cover story by Ben Birnbaum, during peace talks between Abbas and then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert, Olmert proposed allowing the relocation of a symbolic number of Palestinian refugees (5,000 over the course of five years) within Israeli borders, while offering compensation and resettlement for the rest.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-was-willing-to-compromise-on-right-of-return/



All Trump is doing is forcing hardship on allready desperate and disenfranchised people.

skepticalme

Yara Gifted Peep wrote: »

There's plenty of antisemitism on the left, as seen in recent crises in the UK's Labour Party. Opposing Israel is often just a polite cover for the antisemitism that has infected the left since the 19th century, when it was seen as a progressive form of anti-capitalism that could serve the socialist cause.

Do you really believe this? This was all started by Labour friends of Israel because Corbyn didn't agree that criticising the Israeli Government was antisemitism. Corbyn has always stood against racism of any kind, the problem is he had stood up for Palastinians too and said he would recognise a Palastinian state if he got in. There are videos taken secretly online of Israeli officials offering money to take down anti Israel politicians. Is it not obvious what is going on here.

zapitastas

timthumbni wrote: »

The Palestinians hate America. Trump says feck you then and stops with the freebie handouts. The Palestinians deserve all they get. (Or no longer get in this case).

It is an example of the decline of American influence and the resultant authority. Someone else will fill the gap. Would be great if that would be the EU. A major issue of that funding for infrastructure will be money down the drain as would only be short term until the IDF decide to level the place again

skepticalme

Odhinn wrote: »

In private it's been essentially ditched many years ago.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-was-willing-to-compromise-on-right-of-return/



All Trump is doing is forcing hardship on allready desperate and disenfranchised people.

More lies from Israel about having no partner for peace. Their own politics are what has prevented a peace plan.


At Israels request. US have shown their hand at last though.

FTA69

Yara Gifted Peep wrote: »

There's plenty of antisemitism on the left, as seen in recent crises in the UK's Labour Party. Opposing Israel is often just a polite cover for the antisemitism that has infected the left since the 19th century, when it was seen as a progressive form of anti-capitalism that could serve the socialist cause.

Utter load of breeze.

Israel didn't even exist in the 19th century and you'll find anti-Semitism back then and in the early part of the 20th century was a right-wing phenomenon, often being official government policy with socialism and trade unions being lambasted as a Jewishness conspiracy. At that time, Jewish people were hugely prominent in the labour movements across Europe and the USA.

As for the Labour Party, the idea that Labour has a problem with institutional bigotry that surpasses any other organisation in Britain is laughable and in the eyes of most people, it's a confusing mess being perpetuated by the media. Corbyn is a raging anti-Semite in the same way that not so long ago he was a Czech spy and an IRA puppet. What we are seeing is a smear campaign, nothing more.

The reason people are opposed to Israel is because it is actively colonising and subjugating another people and doing so with extreme malice and brutality. The Palestinians have asked people for solidarity and thus people are supporting them in the same way people supported South Africans when they asked for solidarity against apartheid.

Irish Praetorian

FTA69 wrote: »

The reason people are opposed to Israel is because it is actively colonising and subjugating another people and doing so with extreme malice and brutality. The Palestinians have asked people for solidarity and thus people are supporting them in the same way people supported South Africans when they asked for solidarity against apartheid.

I hear this argument a lot about israel and on the face of it there is a lot of sense to it. But the problem is that when you take the principle that supposedly underlines this kind of concern and try to see it applied elsewhere, it just falls flat. Myanmar is a great example; almost a million rohingya expelled in the course of six months and the worlds collective reaction has been to say that maybe a former nobel prize winner should have her award rescinded.

Now I see people trying to square the circle as to why they complain about one and not the other: israel is a democracy, a western country, a beneficiary of us aid, its closer to Europe. And some of these seem half reasonable or partly relevant, but then the charge of anti semitism also works partially too. I suspect the turth is a mix of all but just looking at it from first principles, the attention israel receives is very odd.

Odhinn

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I hear this argument a lot about israel and on the face of it there is a lot of sense to it. But the problem is that when you take the principle that supposedly underlines this kind of concern and try to see it applied elsewhere, it just falls flat. Myanmar is a great example; almost a million rohingya expelled in the course of six months and the worlds collective reaction has been to say that maybe a former nobel prize winner should have her award rescinded.

Now I see people trying to square the circle as to why they complain about one and not the other: israel is a democracy, a western country, a beneficiary of us aid, its closer to Europe. And some of these seem half reasonable or partly relevant, but then the charge of anti semitism also works partially too. I suspect the turth is a mix of all but just looking at it from first principles, the attention israel receives is very odd.

Mynamar was undersanctions for many years. Many thought they were lifted too quickly and the purge against rohinga underlines that case.



No, and it's trying to claim it is that causes much of the complaint.

FTA69

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I hear this argument a lot about israel and on the face of it there is a lot of sense to it. But the problem is that when you take the principle that supposedly underlines this kind of concern and try to see it applied elsewhere, it just falls flat. Myanmar is a great example; almost a million rohingya expelled in the course of six months and the worlds collective reaction has been to say that maybe a former nobel prize winner should have her award rescinded.

Now I see people trying to square the circle as to why they complain about one and not the other: israel is a democracy, a western country, a beneficiary of us aid, its closer to Europe. And some of these seem half reasonable or partly relevant, but then the charge of anti semitism also works partially too. I suspect the turth is a mix of all but just looking at it from first principles, the attention israel receives is very odd.

I get what you're saying, but equally if you apply your argument you end up down a rabbit hole of whataboutery. The "why are you focussing on x when y is happening" line rarely has merit. It's like when there's a terrorist attack in London or Paris and some bore jumps up to lecture everyone about a truck bombing in Iraq along with some virtuous load of waffle. Similarly, during the anti-apartheid campaign it was a key tactic of the South African government to point out all the terrible things going on in the rest of Africa and enquire as to why they were being singled out. They weren't wrong about what was happening elsewhere, but it had little relevance to the argument at hand and didn't diminish the reasons as to why we should have been against apartheid.

I can only speak for myself but I've always believed in solidarity and would support the Kurds as well as other national liberation movements. I first took an interest in Palestine as a young lad during the second intifada when it was on the news regularly that an occupied people were resisting a sophisticated army and getting absolutely battered and saw that they were asking for our help.

Israel is in receipt of billions of dollars of American aid, they actively seek to portray themselves as some sort of average European democracy and cultivate cultural, economic and academic links to that affect and they seem to have the tacit backing in what they do by the EU, the US and the rest of the powers that be. Arguably, that is why the conflict is so prominent.

Gimme A Pound

Yara Gifted Peep wrote: »

Because it's an opportunity to bash the Jews and also their allies the Americans, while pretending to care about the poor and oppressed. It's a perfect cause for the antisemitic, anti-American left to rally behind.

Anti Semitic folk are bound to be opposed to Israel, just like misogynists are bound to be anti feminism.

But the reverse isn't always true - opposition to Israeli occupation and disproportionate force does not automatically mean anti Semitic. Just like opposition to the crazy feminism of today doesn't automatically mean misogynist. That would be a ludicrous suggestion.

Claiming criticism of Israeli policy re Palestine = anti semitism is like saying all who express concern about immigration are racist.

Irish Praetorian

Odhinn wrote: »

Mynamar was undersanctions for many years. Many thought they were lifted too quickly and the purge against rohinga underlines that case.


No, and it's trying to claim it is that causes much of the complaint.

Not actually under UN sanction, either now or in the past. Individual countries and groups have sanction Myanmar but the same can be said of Israel.

FTA69 wrote: »

I get what you're saying, but equally if you apply your argument you end up down a rabbit hole of whataboutery. The "why are you focussing on x when y is happening" line rarely has merit. It's like when there's a terrorist attack in London or Paris and some bore jumps up to lecture everyone about a truck bombing in Iraq along with some virtuous load of waffle. Similarly, during the anti-apartheid campaign it was a key tactic of the South African government to point out all the terrible things going on in the rest of Africa and enquire as to why they were being singled out. They weren't wrong about what was happening elsewhere, but it had little relevance to the argument at hand and didn't diminish the reasons as to why we should have been against apartheid.

I can only speak for myself but I've always believed in solidarity and would support the Kurds as well as other national liberation movements. I first took an interest in Palestine as a young lad during the second intifada when it was on the news regularly that an occupied people were resisting a sophisticated army and getting absolutely battered and saw that they were asking for our help.

Israel is in receipt of billions of dollars of American aid, they actively seek to portray themselves as some sort of average European democracy and cultivate cultural, economic and academic links to that affect and they seem to have the tacit backing in what they do by the EU, the US and the rest of the powers that be. Arguably, that is why the conflict is so prominent.

When it came to South Africa, people were being asked to overthrow the system of Apartheid, in Israel, people are asking from anything from the withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza to the influx of as many as 5 million Palestinians into Israel proper.



I do take on board the point about whataboutery but I don't think one can escape the spectre of comparison when it comes to effecting a change in international policy, which is what people are arguing for here. And that is the crux of the issue. I think this maybe comes across a bit in your post, when you talk of how you took a great interest in the subject, and why, because it was in the news and being reported on. Now it doesn't seem reasonable to me that foreign policy should be predicated on what gets the best press coverage - the danger of that should be quite plain in the form of Iraq. If we are serious about this kind of intervention, people should perhaps look to our nations to approach such conflicts with some equanimity and disinterest.



I also cannot agree with the conclusion that the intervention of great powers is what is ginning up interest in the conflict; Myanmar has long been protected by China whilst various separatist states in the Caucuses and Eastern Europe have the protection of Russia. Neither of those regions attracts a shred of the venom that Israel does.



I suppose if I was summing up my argument I would say that the broader west needs to maintain more consistency and regularity in its relationship with troubled and disreputable parts of the world. I am not per se against acting in the case of egregious outrages but when this is done on an individual basis rather than a generalized one, the easiest charge to make is that certain nations are being singled out for reasons that are not principled.

Taytoland

FTA69 wrote: »

Yara Gifted Peep wrote: »

There's plenty of antisemitism on the left, as seen in recent crises in the UK's Labour Party. Opposing Israel is often just a polite cover for the antisemitism that has infected the left since the 19th century, when it was seen as a progressive form of anti-capitalism that could serve the socialist cause.

Utter load of breeze.

Israel didn't even exist in the 19th century and you'll find anti-Semitism back then and in the early part of the 20th century was a right-wing phenomenon, often being official government policy with socialism and trade unions being lambasted as a Jewishness conspiracy. At that time, Jewish people were hugely prominent in the labour movements across Europe and the USA.

As for the Labour Party, the idea that Labour has a problem with institutional bigotry that surpasses any other organisation in Britain is laughable and in the eyes of most people, it's a confusing mess being perpetuated by the media. Corbyn is a raging anti-Semite in the same way that not so long ago he was a Czech spy and an IRA puppet. What we are seeing is a smear campaign, nothing more.

The reason people are opposed to Israel is because it is actively colonising and subjugating another people and doing so with extreme malice and brutality. The Palestinians have asked people for solidarity and thus people are supporting them in the same way people supported South Africans when they asked for solidarity against apartheid.

It's not a smear if it's true. He was always an IRA cock sucker.

Odhinn

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Not actually under UN sanction, either now or in the past. Individual countries and groups have sanction Myanmar but the same can be said of Israel.



.................

It was under US and EU sanctions (and still is under some). Israel, thanks to the US, has never suffered the same amount at all. Thankfully the BDS movement has begun to make inroads in the last few years.

Irish Praetorian

Odhinn wrote: »

It was under US and EU sanctions (and still is under some). Israel, thanks to the US, has never suffered the same amount at all. Thankfully the BDS movement has begun to make inroads in the last few years.

The same can be said of Israel albeit instead of EU and US sanctions, theyve been on the recieving end of sanctions from the Arab league states and certain OIC states.

Odhinn

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

The same can be said of Israel albeit instead of EU and US sanctions, theyve been on the recieving end of sanctions from the Arab league states and certain OIC states.

...which have had minimal impact, hence the push to get the EU states more pro-active.

Taytoland

What inroads? Israel is still a strong country with a strong military backed up by the Jewish lobby in America and around the world. Those wishing it was a South African situation need to wake up.

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

Pakistan isn't an Arab country.

No but its an islamic state

Irish Praetorian

Odhinn wrote: »

...which have had minimal impact, hence the push to get the EU states more pro-active.

Oh I agree about those sanctions having little effect on Israel, I just wanted to make note of their existence.

JohnMc1

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Un deemed the land Israel. Its not the Israelis fault that other Countries wanted to attack them, lost and lost their land to Israel in the process. They only have themselves for losing part of their land.

Nope.

Dravokivich

All this hate for America from the palestinians. Do I need to play the fool and ask why?

Snake Plisken

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Well done President Trump! Pakistan who sheltered Bin Laden for years and the American hating Palestinians! Hoping he will turn the screw on Turkey next!

So you want to risk a weakening of centralised control over Pakistan's ever expanding nuclear arsenal as a possible consequence? Your foreign policy advice is as short sighted as the current occupant of the White House. Bravo!

Irish Praetorian

Dravokivich wrote: »

All this hate for America from the palestinians. Do I need to play the fool and ask why?

Coming from what I suppose is the Israeli side of the argument, I can understand why a people who've seen their land been taken away slowly should spare at least some contempt for those who in one view shelter their oppressors.

tomofson

lertsnim wrote: »

In steps China.

China wont risk getting on the bad side of the international banking system, why do you think they haven't allied with Iran to a great degree.

Those who control america also control china and russia.

tomofson

archer22 wrote: »

I thought the ones dancing were Israelis...if I remember correctly.

Yep the five dancing israelis who where there to "document the event", there words not mine.

Showed up with video cameras and started recording before the planes crashed.

And that video with the palestinians "dancing in the streets" was proven to have been filmed several years beforehand.

Oh how they lie.

Irish Praetorian

Well...

That escalated quickly.

Havockk

timthumbni wrote: »

The Palestinians hate America. Trump says feck you then and stops with the freebie handouts. The Palestinians deserve all they get. (Or no longer get in this case).

Too bad you can't buy empathy. You appear to have none.

Havockk

Havockk wrote: »

Too bad you can't buy empathy. You appear to have none.

Not a lot of it in Pakistan either for the 1000 women who are stoned to death annually

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?destination=%2fnews%2fmorning-mix%2fwp%2f2014%2f05%2f28%2fin-pakistan-honor-killings-claim-1000-womens-lives-annually-why-is-this-still-happening%2f%3f&utm_term=.27ef33315997

Havockk

Deleted User wrote: »

Not a lot of it in Pakistan either for the 1000 women who are stoned to death annually

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?destination=%2fnews%2fmorning-mix%2fwp%2f2014%2f05%2f28%2fin-pakistan-honor-killings-claim-1000-womens-lives-annually-why-is-this-still-happening%2f%3f&utm_term=.27ef33315997

The poster I was replying to was talking specifically about Palestinians. That's a lovely bit of whataboutery.

Not changed from the days I used to game with you. Twat then, and one now.

Billy86

padd b1975 wrote: »

Plenty of poor people in America that could do with such assistance.

They would probably be a lot more grateful to receive it too.

They would be, if they were to receive it. Instead it will go on even more tax cuts for the mega rich like the one a few months ago that came before federal workers had their wages slashed.

Havockk

Havockk wrote: »

The poster I was replying to was talking specifically about Palestinians. That's a lovely bit of whataboutery.

Not changed from the days I used to game with you. Twat then, and one now.

Takes one to know one sunshine. And i dont recall ever 'gaming' with you????

DEFTLEFTHAND

Why don't Pakistan give the west 'aid' instead.

What are we? Their parents.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Why don't Pakistan give the west 'aid' instead.

What are we? Their parents.

Lefty logic - We should provide loads and loads of money and free stuff and invite thousands upon thousands of Islamic immigrants into the West due to the fact their society is utter dysfunctional and thus be good virtuous citizens who show loads of empathy in spite of the fact that these same countries where they are pouring in from are among the most oppressive on the planet who hate Western culture and values.

It takes some amount of mental gymnastics to even begin to figure out how the left who hate the so called patriarchy and oppression want to invite flocks of people from a country where there is actually oppression and a patriarchy but we shouldn't even be surprised by this lunacy anymore

Gimme A Pound

I'm ok with providing refuge to the Pakistani women who are sentenced to death by stoning though.