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Rachel Allen’s son arrested for €30,000 drugs seizure

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    #752
    Visconti
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Visconti


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    What’s the weather like up there on the moral high ground? You are conflating a lot of unrelated issues to support your condemnation of Rachel Allen.

    Larry Murphy ffs!!!

    Can you list the unrelated issues .


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    #753
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    Visconti wrote: »
    Yes she was in court supporting him hence my issue with her. Watching child porn ? Nice way to tone it down. People who watch child porn are as bad as the ones who commit it as bad as the ones who rape children. Making a drug deal lol you make that sound like he was caught buying a €20 bag. He is guilty of importing a huge amount with intent to supply he is a drug dealer.
    The more you write the more I learn about you and its not nice.

    What’s the weather like up there on the moral high ground? You are conflating a lot of unrelated issues to support your condemnation of Rachel Allen.

    Larry Murphy ffs!!!

    Wow wow.so condeming someone who's been caught purchasing images of child abuse for their own sexual gratification is taking the moral high ground in your eyes? My god you must run in some dodgy circles if you see that as acceptable on any level.


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    #754
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    smurgen wrote: »
    Maybe she's a **** mom?

    Throwing fast cars and credit cards at their child is hardly the calling card of a good mother.

    Particularly a child so young and troubled, it's a lethal cocktail that has inevitable consequences.

    And not only that but power on like nothing happened. She's being applauded for going back to work etc.maybe it was her over focus on work all along that lead to her kids running astray.she just looks money hungry in my eyes and we're somehow meant to feel sorry for her when the **** hits the fan.


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    #755
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    BuboBubo wrote: »
    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Mummy is Range Rover women.
    Your correct regarding sourcing the drugs. It's all about who he's hanging out with/etc.
    I'd like to know what he actually paid for them tough because when it researched it in the past. It was a lot lower than the Garda street value.

    Isn't/wasn't Rachel Allen a brand ambassador for Audi Ireland. The car might have been a freebie.

    I would also like to know how much the man paid for his package. Probably not nearly €30k but a few grand no doubt.

    They said a third less than street value so 10k ish. I'd love to know how often he's done it and not been caught and what other type of drugs he's ordered. It's not like someone just goes from nothing to 10k worth.


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    #756
    evolving_doors
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    smurgen wrote: »
    Wow wow.so condeming someone who's been caught purchasing images of child abuse for their own sexual gratification is taking the moral high ground in your eyes? My god you must run in some dodgy circles if you see that as acceptable on any level.

    I think condemning the whole family is petty nonsense.

    Who exactly is saying that the sole person caught for it shouldn't be condemned?


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    #757
    Niles Crane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    On the front of todays Sunday Independent life magazine

    Rachel Allen : Fill their lunchboxes with love


    So it looks like we can now add "Love" to the list of slang names for cannabis.


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    #758
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    evolving_doors wrote: »
    smurgen wrote: »
    Wow wow.so condeming someone who's been caught purchasing images of child abuse for their own sexual gratification is taking the moral high ground in your eyes? My god you must run in some dodgy circles if you see that as acceptable on any level.

    I think condemning the whole family is petty nonsense.

    Who exactly is saying that the sole person caught for it shouldn't be condemned?

    They all stood by him in court.his wife literally guided the detectives to print outs of the images and stood by him.it seems she is okay with images of child abuse also.


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    #759
    Visconti
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Visconti


    evolving_doors wrote: »
    I think condemning the whole family is petty nonsense.

    Who exactly is saying that the sole person caught for it shouldn't be condemned?

    The person caught and those who condone the behaviour are almost equal.


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    #760
    PistolsAtDawn
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    My point is Cannabis is an illegal drug in this country and for very good reasons. This Allen fellah should get ten years in jail.

    "Cannabis is an illegal drug in this country and for very good reasons", please list some of these "good" reasons?


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    Visconti
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Visconti


    smurgen wrote: »
    Wow wow.so condeming someone who's been caught purchasing images of child abuse for their own sexual gratification is taking the moral high ground in your eyes? My god you must run in some dodgy circles if you see that as acceptable on any level.

    Totally agree. Some warped people on here, was starting to loose faith in humanity till you popped in.


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    #762
    Hoboo
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    smurgen wrote: »
    They all stood by him in court.his wife literally guided the detectives to print outs of the images and stood by him.it seems she is okay with images of child abuse also.

    FFS how does it 'seem' she's ok with child abuse? He was in Italy at the time of arrest, he guided her and Gardai over the phone to the bag of pictures he had stashed in his office, she didn't do it already in the know. She then fooked him out of the house. A quick google can be very educational.


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    #763
    Hoboo
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    PistolsAtDawn wrote: »
    "Cannabis is an illegal drug in this country and for very good reasons", please list some of these "good" reasons?

    Droogs are baaad , m'kay.


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    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Hoboo wrote: »
    smurgen wrote: »
    They all stood by him in court.his wife literally guided the detectives to print outs of the images and stood by him.it seems she is okay with images of child abuse also.

    FFS how does it 'seem' she's ok with child abuse? He was in Italy at the time of arrest, he guided her and Gardai over the phone to the bag of pictures he had stashed in his office, she didn't do it already in the know. She then fooked him out of the house. A quick google can be very educational.

    So he no longer lives in or works in ballymaloe? He no longer has contact with his wife who had to show detectives to his child porn stash over the phone? She threw him out of the house temporarily if at all.big deal!


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    #765
    Ash.J.Williams
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    smurgen wrote: »
    Wow wow.so condeming someone who's been caught purchasing images of child abuse for their own sexual gratification is taking the moral high ground in your eyes? My god you must run in some dodgy circles if you see that as acceptable on any level.

    Rachel didn't purchase any child porn.... Weirdo


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    #766
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    smurgen wrote: »
    Wow wow.so condeming someone who's been caught purchasing images of child abuse for their own sexual gratification is taking the moral high ground in your eyes? My god you must run in some dodgy circles if you see that as acceptable on any level.

    Rachel didn't purchase any child porn.... Weirdo

    Abuse reported.also i never said rachel did,her father in law did.maybe try reading more carefully in future or not commenting if you're unsure as to what's going on.


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    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Visconti wrote: »
    They are not arguments they are facts. You are the one who is arguing. So you applaud Rachel for going into court and supporting a paedophile .

    Did she go to court to support Tim Allen? Have you reference to support this?

    Where did I 'applaud' her for doing so anyway?

    You are making stuff up.


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    #768
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Visconti wrote: »
    Totally agree. Some warped people on here, was starting to loose faith in humanity till you popped in.

    Another bull**** accusation- nothing to support it.


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    #769
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    I don't understand the vitriol being poured on Rachel Allen. Perhaps she didn't give her son decent boundaries, maybe she took her off the ball. I don't know what it's like to parent so certainly won't condemn the woman.
    Why are some of you so angry?


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    #770
    evolving_doors
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    Visconti wrote: »
    The person caught and those who condone the behaviour are almost equal.

    Where did it say they condoned child pornography?


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    #771
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't understand the vitriol being poured on Rachel Allen. Perhaps she didn't give her son decent boundaries, maybe she took her off the ball. I don't know what it's like to parent so certainly won't condemn the woman.
    Why are some of you so angry?

    I think it makes people feel better if they see themselves as better by reducing others.
    All their own relatives are paragons of virtue.


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    evolving_doors wrote: »
    I think it makes people feel better if they see themselves as better by reducing others.
    All their own relatives are paragons of virtue.

    Ah of course. The old "my self-esteem isn't so good so in order to feel better I must tear you down".


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    #773
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't understand the vitriol being poured on Rachel Allen. Perhaps she didn't give her son decent boundaries, maybe she took her off the ball. I don't know what it's like to parent so certainly won't condemn the woman.
    Why are some of you so angry?

    You would think she has enough to contend with. It's very unfair.


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    #774
    JMNolan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't understand the vitriol being poured on Rachel Allen. Perhaps she didn't give her son decent boundaries, maybe she took her off the ball. I don't know what it's like to parent so certainly won't condemn the woman.
    Why are some of you so angry?

    I think she was supposed to murder her father in law and she didn't.


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    PistolsAtDawn wrote: »
    "Cannabis is an illegal drug in this country and for very good reasons", please list some of these "good" reasons?

    It would indeed be better if in the first place we never had alcohol as a society. I say this as a fairly moderate consumer of alcohol, at least by Iridh standards. Yes it is very enjoyable, but for a very dignificant number of people it leads to tragedy in ill health, Road deaths, severe mental health issues. Cannabis is very mind-altering, I know from experience as I nearly freaked out with hallucinations and delusions after taking what was too high an amount, and effects can last quite a long time in the system. It is more difficult to quantify consumption than alcohol too. If cannabis were legal a lot of us would be consuming it, there’d be a lot of driving done under its influence. No doubt in small quantities it’s pleasant enough, but it’s effects can lead you to seek “additional” high like alcohol. Smoked it is even more carcinogenic to lungs than regular cigarettes. Consumed orally it’s effects/onset are harder to gauge. Alcohol is a far more social type of drug, cannabis is more for isolated enjoyment. You do not feel socially connected with others when under its effects. So I would not be happy to see cannabis legalized other than for medicinal purposes. We have way enough problems with alcohol which most of us use socially and drugs prescribed for genuine postoperative pain which become difficult to wean off for some people. Adding another substance to be an openly approved and legal part of society doesn’t make sense.


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    Harry Palmr
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    The mere fact this thread is titled Rachel Allens son...tells you all you need to know.

    He is just another herbert who has been caught and the case should be discussed on it's own merits not as a witch-hunt for assumed crimes of the past. None of which were committed by Rachel Allen as far as I'm aware.


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    Niles Crane
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't understand the vitriol being poured on Rachel Allen. Perhaps she didn't give her son decent boundaries, maybe she took her off the ball. I don't know what it's like to parent so certainly won't condemn the woman.
    Why are some of you so angry?

    I think some people are angry because for most other families in ireland having an association with a paedophile would end their career in the public (whether that is right or wrong), there has been no negative affect of Tim Allens actions on the Allen family and it appears that they are in with the media and so have got off lightly whereas other people would have been pushed off the stage and never let back on it.


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    freshpopcorn
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    The mere fact this thread is titled Rachel Allens son...tells you all you need to know.

    He is just another herbert who has been caught and the case should be discussed on it's own merits not as a witch-hunt for assumed crimes of the past. None of which were committed by Rachel Allen as far as I'm aware.

    If we discussed everybody who got caught with a large amount of drugs it would require a special forum.


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    #779
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    evolving_doors wrote: »
    Visconti wrote: »
    The person caught and those who condone the behaviour are almost equal.

    Where did it say they condoned child pornography?

    Actions speak louder than words.tim allen took a temporary break from ballymaloe for commercial reasons because it looked bad.then went back into the business when it all blew over
    This to me indicates they seen his crimes as minor.i would have expected a divorce and total cut off of contact.


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    smurgen wrote: »
    Actions speak louder than words.tim allen took a temporary break from ballymaloe for commercial reasons because it looked bad.then went back into the business when it all blew over
    This to me indicates they seen his crimes as minor.i would have expected a divorce and total cut off of contact.

    That's what you would have expected and I'd be fairly horrified myself if someone close to me was convicted of such a crime. But I don't know what I would do. Before lifes crap gave me a beating I had many strong views on matters that I'd never experienced. These days I'm a bit more measured and can't say with any certainty how I would handle such a thing.


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    #781
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    The mere fact this thread is titled Rachel Allens son...tells you all you need to know.

    He is just another herbert who has been caught and the case should be discussed on it's own merits not as a witch-hunt for assumed crimes of the past. None of which were committed by Rachel Allen as far as I'm aware.

    Ah here give over,Rachel Allen courts the press when it suits her commercially. Just in todays indo she's portraying the loving mother role again talking about kids lunch boxes.she's full of ****e.these type of people guilt real mothers struggling to make ends meet and portraying unrealistic expectations of modern day parent hood while real ordinary irish mothers now work increasingly long hours while also trying to put meals on a table and keep roofs over their kid heads. then the reality of rachel allen is her own private family life is starting to look increasingly detached from these idealist images they're flogging to the public.
    If you're gonna court the press then you nesd to take the good with the bad.


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