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Rachel Allen’s son arrested for €30,000 drugs seizure

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    #1412
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    You really do have a peculiarly bad resentment of the Allens though. Did one of them do something to you personally or is it just old fashioned jealousy and begrudgery.

    Do you and MarkDaly empathise with them on some level?


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    #1413
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    OHe’s apparently got dyslexia, which makes academic study very difficult. Both his parents left school young as they could get away with it. Rachel is very intelligent and talented, but not academically so, but she had the focus of her dream of achievement in the culinary world. That focus saved her. Isaac wasn’t in for academic study, but dreamed of being in the fashion & photography world, but this didn’t work out. However it seems he found focus in enterprise & can cook very well. I’d say Isaac was directionless, maybe because of his dyslexia and realisation he might never cut it in the conventional world of business. Then he is given access to big money, a recipe for disaster. With all their money, the Allens would have had access to any amount of educational/psychological intervention for their son/grandson, but it seems these opportunities were totally missed because they were all so busy running the time-consuming family empire. Maybe they were all tearing their hair out trying to do everything they could for him, and that something beyond their scope is at play. It’s just that I would wonder if they could have turned things around for him at an earlier stage.

    Dyslexia makes education another hurdle but not impossible. two of the best teacher I had, had it and they were a PhD in Chemistry and ME Engineer, no excuse. Sure the Allens had all the access to all the best intervention, whether young Joshua took advantage of these is another matter. I always say with Autism there are three people who get it, the poor who end up in the mental health services, the middle class who embrace it and the wealthy who pay it away. The only reason his dyslexia came to light because it was part of his defence as in the "big boys told him" and "he was easily lead". He wasnt easily lead he was at the head importing it through the guise of the school.


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    #1414
    Tomrota
    Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭Tomrota


    I can’t believe this thread has so many pages. Did the guy just sell weed or did he do more that I haven’t heard about? Weed should be legalised, it’s just a simple commodity like coffee.


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    #1415
    skooterblue2
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    Tomrota wrote: »
    I can’t believe this thread has so many pages. Did the guy just sell weed or did he do more that I haven’t heard about? Weed should be legalised, it’s just a simple commodity like coffee.

    Its not about whether it should be legalised. Its about using money and influence to "buy" away a crime that anyone else would doing time for. I would hate to think what would be found at Ballymaloe, if IT technicians and Forensic accountants really went looking.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    ......

    ....... Rachel is very intelligent and talented, but not academically so, but she had the focus of her dream of achievement in the culinary world. That focus saved her. ...e.

    Marrying into the Allens was all that 'saved' her.
    Didn't come without cost of course..... Cough cough....


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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Its not about whether it should be legalised. Its about using money and influence to "buy" away a crime that anyone else would doing time for. I would hate to think what would be found at Ballymaloe, if IT technicians and Forensic accountants really went looking.

    I thought this thread was about the misdemeanor (in the non US legal term of the word) of a young lad dealing in weed.

    Crusades belong in the Holy Land in medieval times.


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    #1418
    skooterblue2
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought this thread was about the misdemeanor (in the non US legal term of the word) of a young lad dealing in weed.
    .

    A misdemeanor is breaking windows. Buying and selling drugs is a crime.


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    #1419
    [Deleted User]
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    A misdemeanor is breaking windows. Buying and selling drugs is a crime.

    Ok, he was guilty of a crime. So let’s stick to that topic.


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    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Its about using money and influence to "buy" away a crime that anyone else would doing time for

    Josh Allen, the subject of this thread, was sentenced to 30 months in jail with 15 months suspended, leaving him with 15 months to serve. So presumably your comment above does not related to him. Care to expand on what you are referring to, with whatever evidence or other supporting material you have ?


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    #1421
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok, he was guilty of a crime. So let’s stick to that topic.

    Lets not down play the severity or the intent of the crime.


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    #1422
    [Deleted User]
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    Hibernicis wrote: »
    Josh Allen, the subject of this thread, was sentenced to 30 months in jail with 15 months suspended, leaving him with 15 months to serve. So presumably your comment above does not related to him. Care to expand on what you are referring to, with whatever evidence or other supporting material you have ?

    Did the family member into child porn do time?


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    #1423
    gmisk
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    Augeo wrote: »
    Did the family member into child porn do time?
    Nope....fine and community service... disgusting


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    #1424
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Hibernicis wrote: »
    Josh Allen, the subject of this thread, was sentenced to 30 months in jail with 15 months suspended, leaving him with 15 months to serve. So presumably your comment above does not related to him. Care to expand on what you are referring to, with whatever evidence or other supporting material you have ?

    Well they did try at every turn to ignore it. They produced this dyslexia report to wiggle out of it, the auld "poor box trick" wasnt going to work with this judge. Didnt he do some overseas charity work to "absolve his sins"? Some people on this page will tell you the crusades are a thing of the past .... Sins, penance, indulgence and absolution? Not much has changed. The names have changed but the method remain the same.


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    #1425
    skooterblue2
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    gmisk wrote: »
    Nope....fine and community service... disgusting

    €40,000 was the number I recall into the poor box/Charitable donation. People were removed from the company register and life continued as normal.


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    #1426
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    A misdemeanor is breaking windows. Buying and selling drugs is a crime.

    A misdemeanor isn't a term in the eyes of the Irish judicial system. To quote Maggie 'crime is crime is crime'. No way should he have got 15 months over it though, spoilt little rich kid or not. The emphasis being on the word kid. That's all he is after all.


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    #1427
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Well they did try at every turn to ignore it. They produced this dyslexia report to wiggle out of it, the auld "poor box trick" wasnt going to work with this judge. Didnt he do some overseas charity work to "absolve his sins"? Some people on this page will tell you the crusades are a thing of the past .... Sins, penance, indulgence and absolution? Not much has changed. The names have changed but the method remain the same.

    Nothing in your response relates to your very specific allegation “Its about using money and influence to "buy" away a crime that anyone else would doing time for”. I’d love to hear you expand on that and detail your evidence.


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    #1428
    skooterblue2
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    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    A misdemeanor isn't a term in the eyes of the Irish judicial system. To quote Maggie 'crime is crime is crime'. No way should he have got 15 months over it though, spoilt little rich kid or not. The emphasis being on the word kid. That's all he is after all.

    He was adult when he was caught for it, dont do the crime if you cant do the crime. As the value of the drugs were over 10k then I think that carries a hefty sentence. I think he got off close to scott free.

    As for this will ruin his life, its not like he was going to find the cure for cancer. He knew well what he was doing.


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    #1429
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    He was adult when he was caught for it, dont do the crime if you cant do the crime. As the value of the drugs were over 10k then I think that carries a hefty sentence. I think he got off close to scott free.

    As for this will ruin his life, its not like he was going to find the cure for cancer. He knew well what he was doing.

    Culpable in the eyes of the law yes, but an 18 year old is still very much a kid.


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    #1430
    skooterblue2
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    Hibernicis wrote: »
    Nothing in your response relates to your very specific allegation “Its about using money and influence to "buy" away a crime that anyone else would doing time for”. I’d love to hear you expand on that and detail your evidence.

    Well they didnt go with a public defender.
    They produced a psychologist report, they arent cheap and I bet it wasnt from one of those half baked ones the HSE do. Then there was charity work in Africa with the publicity that followed.
    If that isnt an attempt to buy your way out short of bribing the judge what is?


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    #1431
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Well they didnt go with a public defender.
    They produced a psychologist report, they arent cheap and I bet it wasnt from one of those half baked ones the HSE do. Then there was charity work in Africa with the publicity that followed.
    If that isnt an attempt to buy your way out short of bribing the judge what is?

    Ah Skooter, this is not the US, there are no 'public defenders'. The defence you get here under free legal aid is excellent.


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    #1432
    skooterblue2
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    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    Culpable in the eyes of the law yes, but an 18 year old is still very much a kid.

    What is the age when you become an adult? or become responsible for your own actions? What age can you sign up for military service of your own will? What age can you buy alcohol legally. What age can you leave school?

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes.


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    #1433
    skooterblue2
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    PCeeeee wrote: »
    Ah Skooter, this is not the US, there are no 'public defenders'. The defence you get here under free legal aid is excellent.

    I dont claim to be an expert in the law but I do know enough to keep me out of trouble. Anything you get for "free" in life isnt worth much.


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    #1434
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    What is the age when you become an adult? or become responsible for your own actions? What age can you sign up for military service of your own will? What age can you buy alcohol legally. What age can you leave school?

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
    In Ireland it's 17, although on a very rare occasion someone under 17 will be tried as an adult


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    #1435
    skooterblue2
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    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    In Ireland it's 17, although on a very rare occasion someone under 17 will be tried as an adult

    I think he was 18 when he was caught and 19 when he was in court. Why should there be one law for the rich and another law for the poor?

    "Judge Ó Donnabháin described as "offensive" the idea that he would treat the accused differently from anyone else. He said there was a significant level of culpability."


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    #1436
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Anything you get for "free" in life isnt worth much.

    Freedom is free..


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    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    Freedom is free..

    Freedom means nothing left to lose.


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    #1438
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,663 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The wisest wealthy parents will withhold ready money and let their child learn the value of everything, whilst having treats and rewards for good behaviour and special occasions.

    Yeah I think it was Bill Gates who was the worlds richest man with a fortune of over $50 billion who said he was just giving his kids an education and a million each for their inheritance. The Guinness trust did similar, lots of relatives of Arthur living in Ireland in big houses but the trust only pays them out about 20k a year to make ends meet, they will never get a lump sum or get rich from it.
    It’s just that I would wonder if they could have turned things around for him at an earlier stage.

    Without doubt, sure just think of his dealing. He admitted to importing the 20k worth at least three or four times. Id say it was more but give him the four, thats 80k worth mainly sold in small tiny deals of 20 euro bags to school going children and older teenagers he knew. Thats a serious level of dealing in a small rural area, you'd have had loads of parents catching their kids with the smell of weed and asking them where they got it. Gardai catch a few kids smoking weed and ask the same questions, where did it come from. None of this happened in a vacumn, he was at it for a number of years before it all caught up with him.


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    #1439
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    skooterblue2 wrote: »

    "Judge Ó Donnabháin described as "offensive" the idea that he would treat the accused differently from anyone else. He said there was a significant level of culpability."

    Nobody is denying his guilt, and I wholeheartedly agree with the judge when it was implied that he doesn't give everyone the same crack of the whip. At 18 however the sentence was a bit harsh. I'll reiterate, it's a kid. Whole life ahead of him.


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    #1440
    Lemsiper
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I dont claim to be an expert in the law but I do know enough to keep me out of trouble. Anything you get for "free" in life isnt worth much.

    That air you're breathing right now, how much do you pay for yours?


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    #1441
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Lemsiper wrote: »
    That air you're breathing right now, how much do you pay for yours?
    The statement was in respect to products and services.


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