Gardai caught with cocaine

Autochange

It has emerged that the Gardai involved in this latest circus show won't be charged after getting caught with a class A substance.

Why are we been taken for mugs? 1 law for some another for the rest

BrokenArrows

Autochange wrote: »

It has emerged that the Gardai involved in this latest circus show won't be charged after getting caught with a class A substance.

Why are we been taken for mugs? 1 law for some another for the rest

how much coke was it?

beertons

Do I smell something?

Boom_Bap

Autochange

BrokenArrows wrote: »

how much coke was it?

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

Auguste Comte

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

Link?

Get Real

You saw the file I suppose?

A file was sent to the DPP in the first place because of the fact they're guards, not in spite of it.

It was alleged they were using it. How many tradespeople, solicitors, nurses, teachers, IT professionals use it on the weekend , have a file sent to the DPP on it, and have their employer told? None. They are only informed after a conviction, and thats only if the person chooses to disclose it in the majority of cases.

If anything a file being sent up to the dpp by the guards themselves proves the exact opppsite of what may be implied on this thread.

And now they'll be fined, suspended or fired. (And rightly so in my opinion)

There was no coke actually found on them. If you saw someone in a toilet, rang the guards who arrived and there was no coke on them, the joe soap would be free to go, certainly no file to dpp, and certainly no consequences for their job.

But these people have a different job, and were held to have a higher expectation, presumed guilty regardless, which is proper order.

Edit: to add link. This relates to a call of someone maintaining there was guards using cocaine in a nightclub months ago

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/news/four-gardai-suspended-in-cocaine-probe-wont-face-criminal-charges-37280711.html

It in no way relates to the more serious incident, which again shows guards prosecuting guards for illegal activity.

whippet

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

Rushden

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

Different case , the ones not being charged are the ones who were apparently seen by nightclub security with cocaine in the bathroom, weren't actually found with any . The case you're on about is completely separate

Arrival

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Amirani

Arrival wrote: »

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Irrespective of the legality of drugs generally, I don't think members of An Garda Siochana should be permitted to use them.

Autochange

whippet wrote: »

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

Read a rural paper with a courts section. Happens regularly. The guy in question is supposed to be in an occupation where he upholds the law. Won't even see court I bet.

Realt Dearg Sec

Autochange wrote: »

whippet wrote: »

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

Read a rural paper with a courts section. Happens regularly. The guy in question is supposed to be in an occupation where he upholds the law. Won't even see court I bet.

Just one example shouldn't be difficult to find so.

ARNOLD J RIMMER

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Just one example shouldn't be difficult to find so.

Why do these Guards not appear in court when this lady does?

This is what happens to others

https://www.kildarenow.com/news/naas-district-court-sees-woman-gets-order-pay-st-brigids-hospice-100s-euros-connection-drugs-charge/185114

6:00 Monday 18th of September 2017
A woman appeared before Naas District Court on possession of cannabis charges.

The 27- year-old woman faced charges of being found with €10 worth of cannabis herb on July 21, 2016.


Evidence was heard that the accused had no previous convictions.

Judge Desmond Zaidan ordered that the accused pay €500 to St Brigid's Hospice, The Curragh, and if not paid, then a Section 1(1) Probation Act will be imposed.

MikeHammer70

Arrival wrote: »

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Good idea

I'm opening up a chain of crystal meth shops

freshpopcorn

Gardai take cocaine, smoke weed, etc. They don't really get into trouble unless they get caught out which is similar to the rest of us.

Your Face

Arrival wrote: »

Legalise all drugs and set up appropriate regulations for the sale of each and use some of the generated taxes to fund rehabilitation and mental health. That is all.

Yes, like alcohol and tobacco.
Brilliant.

Arrival

MikeHammer70 wrote: »

Good idea

I'm opening up a chain of crystal meth shops

Lol while you're being sarcastic, if legalised, Chrystal meth would obviously be one of the most regulated and hard to obtain drugs, up there with heroin. I don't know why it is but people seem to overlook the 'regulate' part of 'legalise and regulate', as if people like me are suggesting that all drugs should be freely available in supermarkets. Anyone who jumps to this conclusion is a moron. That would obviously be absolutely stupid, but of course anyone with common sense realises this isn't what's being proposed

Your Face wrote: »

Yes, like alcohol and tobacco.
Brilliant.

Certain drugs, such as cannabis, should be made as easily accessible and available as those, yes. The most important thing is quality control, to ensure everything is clean and clearly labeled, as with tobacco and alcohol currently.

Your Face

Arrival wrote: »

Certain drugs, such as cannabis, should be made as easily accessible and available as those, yes. The most important thing is quality control, to ensure everything is clean and clearly labeled, as with tobacco and alcohol currently.

My point being that the legal drugs we have already cause mental, health and social issues.
No point legalising other substances that do damage to people.
I do think cannabis should be made available to people with chronic pain, crystal meth - not so much.

Terrlock

If gardi are taking drugs then it makes enforcement of drug laws a mockery.

It also would allow an opening for Criminal Gangs to have a certain element of control over the gardi.

If a gard is found taking drugs then he should be at least suspended, following a complete investigation that would require him to report the dealer he received the drugs from.

bodice ripper

whippet wrote:

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

I have seen a first time offender get done for having a baggie with coke residue on their person. 150 euro fine and a criminal record.

Realt Dearg Sec

Your Face wrote: »

Arrival wrote: »

Certain drugs, such as cannabis, should be made as easily accessible and available as those, yes. The most important thing is quality control, to ensure everything is clean and clearly labeled, as with tobacco and alcohol currently.

My point being that the legal drugs we have already cause mental, health and social issues.
No point legalising other substances that do damage to people.
I do think cannabis should be made available to people with chronic pain, crystal meth - not so much.

What if the very fact that they are illegal is itself damaging to people? Perhaps we should treat addiction as a health issue instead of a criminal one? The positive social effects of doing so have been demonstrated in other countries, Portugal recently for example.

Riesen_Meal

Terrlock wrote: »

If gardi are taking drugs then it makes enforcement of drug laws a mockery.

It also would allow an opening for Criminal Gangs to have a certain element of control over the gardi.

If a gard is found taking drugs then he should be at least suspended, following a complete investigation that would require him to report the dealer he received the drugs from.

Living in a bubble if you think certain serving gardai do not take drugs...

My friend is on the force and is fairly up the ranks now at this stage but when he was starting out training and going to Templemore etc they had a team bonding type exercise where they went camping up the mountains with a fire, few beers and a tent etc...

He got a bit of the wacky backy from his brother to bring along and out of the eight of them present, 7 of them had a smoke of it with only one who was not bothered by it...

A different cop I know brings his missus to get some green stuff for her in his uniform FFS just to keep her happy...

Garda are people also you know...

Autochange

Fieldog wrote: »

Living in a bubble if you think certain serving gardai do not take drugs...

My friend is on the force and is fairly up the ranks now at this stage but when he was starting out training and going to Templemore etc they had a team bonding type exercise where they went camping up the mountains with a fire, few beers and a tent etc...

He got a bit of the wacky backy from his brother to bring along and out of the eight of them present, 7 of them had a smoke of it with only one who was not bothered by it...

A different cop I know brings his missus to get some green stuff for her in his uniform FFS just to keep her happy...

Garda are people also you know...

Ah sure it'll be grand attitude. Makes a mockery of law and order which they have taken an oath to uphold

Riesen_Meal

Autochange wrote: »

Ah sure it'll be grand attitude. Makes a mockery of law and order which they have taken an oath to uphold

Drug laws do need to change in the country though, we are a backward little country when it comes to stuff like that, I'm not one of these people who would say "legalise it all" but I wouldn't have an issue if say the likes of weed was legalised, but not hard drugs like Coke and heroin etc

Autochange

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Just one example shouldn't be difficult to find so.

Someone posted a couple of examples. Did you join the club?

Autochange

Fieldog wrote: »

Drug laws do need to change in the country though, we are a backward little country when it comes to stuff like that, I'm not one of these people who would say "legalise it all" but I wouldn't have an issue if say the likes of weed was legalised, but not hard drugs like Coke and heroin etc

It would be madness to leagalise cocaine and heroin. Alcohol is surely worse than weed. But of course people will abuse any substance. Like everything in life it's all about moderation

Arrival

Your Face wrote: »

My point being that the legal drugs we have already cause mental, health and social issues.
No point legalising other substances that do damage to people.
I do think cannabis should be made available to people with chronic pain, crystal meth - not so much.

There absolutely is a point, getting it all entirely out of the hands of criminal manufacturers and dealers and making recreational drug use a health issue rather than a criminal one. I'm well aware that when you think about this it seems absolutely mad but when you actually consider everything logically this is the best, most constructive approach to take. Once all drugs are legalised, it would be possible for research to be done on the damaging effects of each drug and draft appropriate regulations around each individual one, for example heroin could be made only available in completely separate clinics/dispensaries for people who are already addicts and through regular visits to the same clinic these addicts could be positively influenced by the clinicians helping them to begin working towards rehabilitation. This is absolutely not possible when addicts are going to exploitative dealers who are giving them drugs mixed with all kinds of crap and them proceeding to administering the drugs themselves with possibly dirty needless on the streets or in alleyways - nobody cares about addicts in these conditions and they pick up on that. In specialised clinics they would be at least be out of the public eye and given the chance to build rapport with people capable of treating them with dignity and getting them started on helping themselves.

Arrival

Autochange wrote: »

Ah sure it'll be grand attitude. Makes a mockery of law and order which they have taken an oath to uphold

The ridiculous drug laws in this country are deserving of a mockery, they're not based off of a logical approach whatsoever. Adults should be allowed to choose to consume whatever they like with their own bodies as long as it causes no harm to anyone else. Locking people up in cages for doing this is the complete opposite of liberty.

Arrival

Autochange wrote: »

It would be madness to leagalise cocaine and heroin. Alcohol is surely worse than weed. But of course people will abuse any substance. Like everything in life it's all about moderation

iT wOuLd bE mAdNeSs

No it wouldn't. It would allow us to actually get a hold of the madness and manage it better by being able to find out the level of addiction amongst the users. You're probably thinking that legal coke and heroin would be available in the same way as legal tobacco and alcohol which would be simply moronic. As I've explained in a previous post, heroin could be very well regulated to only allow access to current users/addicts. Coke could be regulated in a similar manner, although not as severe. A possible way to combat abuse would be to setup all users on a centralised database that all dispensaries must use to record people's purchases.

When a user approaches a certain limit they could be ordered to attend a drug awareness and education course to help them understand how they're behaving dangerously and destructively and if their high level of use persists they should be made go through rehabilitation. Bear in mind that these type of people are a MINORITY. The majority of us are intelligent adults capable of keeping a hold of ourselves and knowing our limits. Properly educating our population, especially the youth, is an especially important aspect of this sort of approach. If done right, we really would see a far more positive approach to drug use and a reduction of drug abuse in this country. People would learn to recognise why they feel the need to use certain drugs, whether or not this is a result of mental health issues or an escape from an unpleasant life and they would all be aware of the resources available to help them learn to cope. Absolutely NONE of this is possible with the current stupid laws and lack of regulations on the supply.

Autochange

Arrival wrote: »

iT wOuLd bE mAdNeSs

No it wouldn't. It would allow us to actually get a hold of the madness and manage it better by being able to find out the level of addiction amongst the users. You're probably thinking that legal coke and heroin would be available in the same way as legal tobacco and alcohol which would be simply moronic. As I've explained in a previous post, heroin could be very well regulated to only allow access to current users/addicts. Coke could be regulated in a similar manner, although not as severe. A possible way to combat abuse would be to setup all users on a centralised database that all dispensaries must use to record people's purchases.

When a user approaches a certain limit they could be ordered to attend a drug awareness and education course to help them understand how they're behaving dangerously and destructively and if their high level of use persists they should be made go through rehabilitation. Bear in mind that these type of people are a MINORITY. The majority of us are intelligent adults capable of keeping a hold of ourselves and knowing our limits. Properly educating our population, especially the youth, is an especially important aspect of this sort of approach. If done right, we really would see a far more positive approach to drug use and a reduction of drug abuse in this country. People would learn to recognise why they feel the need to use certain drugs, whether or not this is a result of mental health issues or an escape from an unpleasant life and they would all be aware of the resources available to help them learn to cope. Absolutely NONE of this is possible with the current stupid laws and lack of regulations on the supply.

I know you took a lot of time to write that reply but what you wrote is verging on ridiculous. Can you explain the but about the cocaine users again please.

lalababa

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Just one example shouldn't be difficult to find so.

Never ceases to shock me the harshness of fines and convictions for drug use and small time dealing in my rural area! People getting convicted for a couple of joints ? Crazy stuff. Different story in the city methinks.

SEPT 23 1989

Could be worse they could be turning a blind eye to a private airport with no customs in west Dublin

Franz Von Peppercorn

Arrival wrote: »

There absolutely is a point, getting it all entirely out of the hands of criminal manufacturers and dealers and making recreational drug use a health issue rather than a criminal one. I'm well aware that when you think about this it seems absolutely mad but when you actually consider everything logically this is the best, most constructive approach to take. Once all drugs are legalised, it would be possible for research to be done on the damaging effects of each drug and draft appropriate regulations around each individual one, for example heroin could be made only available in completely separate clinics/dispensaries for people who are already addicts and through regular visits to the same clinic these addicts could be positively influenced by the clinicians helping them to begin working towards rehabilitation. This is absolutely not possible when addicts are going to exploitative dealers who are giving them drugs mixed with all kinds of crap and them proceeding to administering the drugs themselves with possibly dirty needless on the streets or in alleyways - nobody cares about addicts in these conditions and they pick up on that. In specialised clinics they would be at least be out of the public eye and given the chance to build rapport with people capable of treating them with dignity and getting them started on helping themselves.

Your licensed clinics already exist, albeit for methadone. Not helping much. And that’s decriminalisation of use, not full legalisation.

Autochange

Autochange wrote: »

It has emerged that the Gardai involved in this latest circus show won't be charged after getting caught with a class A substance.

Why are we been taken for mugs? 1 law for some another for the rest

Any chance you could actually link to what case you are referring to?
There seems to be some confusion between different reports?

Capt'n Midnight

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

yeah , but what was its street value ?

pcuser

Maybe he likes the smell of it?

Arrival

Autochange wrote: »

I know you took a lot of time to write that reply but what you wrote is verging on ridiculous. Can you explain the but about the cocaine users again please.

This is simply one approach I've considered to how cocaine, just one drug, could be regulated in a legal market, if drugs were to be legalised it would be necessary for approaches like this to be considered and discussed to find the best one for each individual drug. Certain drugs should also be recognised as extremely dangerous, heroin for example, and regulations should include measures to decrease the number of users and get them rehabilitated. This would be done by having research carried out on the drug(s), their effects, safe limit etc. So while what I am suggesting may seem ridiculous it is more constructive to actually explore the idea and give input rather than just saying it is ridiculous and not exploring the reasons why and trying to think of different ideas as a group.

The easiest way to explain what I think could be a suitable setup is by describing the purchase of legal cocaine from the perspective of a cocaine user. So, I like to use cocaine and it is Friday and I want to get some cocaine to use during the weekend. To buy this, I go to the 'hard drugs' dispensary which only 21+ year old people are allowed to enter. In order to enter, I must show my dispensary ID which was created on a database that all dispensaries must use in order to keep track of my drug purchases in order to detect when I may be close to exceeding the safe/responsible limit of consumption. I buy 3g of professionally produced and clean cocaine which is clearly labeled to show where it was made, which company made it, how to avoid overdosing and what dangers to look out for while consuming it. This purchase of 3g is registered onto the database and shows up in all licensed dispensaries in order to avoid the possibility of me visiting multiple dispensaries and buying 'x'g in each (to avoid overdosing or illegal resale). While in the dispensary, the person working there has me sign a disclaimer stating that I am informed about my decision to buy these drugs and they are entirely for personal use and any attempt to resell or redistribute these drugs will result in a harsh prison sentence.

The whole point of taking this kind of approach is to bring light to the reality that lots of people use drugs recreationally, it has always been that way, and most people can do so responsibly and in moderation. But the minority amongst us who have issues and need help can only be recognised if we recognise drug users as a whole. So the dispensary database is a way of doing that. Drug users should not be punished, especially those of us who are good, contributing members of society, but helped to reduce the harm they are putting themselves in and helped get clean when necessary. I'm almost certain someone reading this is simpleminded enough to reply with "just don't do drugs", so to anyone possibly thinking this I guarantee you know far more recreational drug users than you think you do, humanity has enjoyed drugs for as long as we've existed and burying our heads in the sand to the absolutely violent approach we currently take is very harmful and not constructive at all. We are holding ourselves back from having a highly educated and informed population on drug use, their dangers and how to look after ourselves.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Your licensed clinics already exist, albeit for methadone. Not helping much. And that’s decriminalisation of use, not full legalisation.

They kind of exist, but not enough and as well as they should. Without full legalisation and regulation they won't be up to scrap, although Portugal and Switzerland are making a good effort with just decriminalisation.

FTA69

Shock horror, policemen in their 20s and 30s take illegal substances while socialising. I’ve seen off-duty members of the Met taking coke and smoking grass at various functions. I don’t begrudge anyone a session, but they are hypocritical c*nts when you think about it.

They’ll go around stopping and searching young lads and arresting and charging them for minor possession causing them and their families untold hassle but won’t think twice about doing it themselves. A bit hard to fully respect people at that craic.

YFlyer

Autochange wrote: »

100 euro worth and he is suspected of dealing to other gardai

Is thst the Gardaí price?

YFlyer

Amazing thst the dealer gave exactly €100 of coke.

freshpopcorn

YFlyer wrote: »

Is thst the Gardaí price?

They always up the street value in there reports. The dealers must love seeing them coming.

Bigmac1euro

Arrival wrote: »

This is simply one approach I've considered to how cocaine, just one drug, could be regulated in a legal market, if drugs were to be legalised it would be necessary for approaches like this to be considered and discussed to find the best one for each individual drug. Certain drugs should also be recognised as extremely dangerous, heroin for example, and regulations should include measures to decrease the number of users and get them rehabilitated. This would be done by having research carried out on the drug(s), their effects, safe limit etc. So while what I am suggesting may seem ridiculous it is more constructive to actually explore the idea and give input rather than just saying it is ridiculous and not exploring the reasons why and trying to think of different ideas as a group.

The easiest way to explain what I think could be a suitable setup is by describing the purchase of legal cocaine from the perspective of a cocaine user. So, I like to use cocaine and it is Friday and I want to get some cocaine to use during the weekend. To buy this, I go to the 'hard drugs' dispensary which only 21+ year old people are allowed to enter. In order to enter, I must show my dispensary ID which was created on a database that all dispensaries must use in order to keep track of my drug purchases in order to detect when I may be close to exceeding the safe/responsible limit of consumption. I buy 3g of professionally produced and clean cocaine which is clearly labeled to show where it was made, which company made it, how to avoid overdosing and what dangers to look out for while consuming it. This purchase of 3g is registered onto the database and shows up in all licensed dispensaries in order to avoid the possibility of me visiting multiple dispensaries and buying 'x'g in each (to avoid overdosing or illegal resale). While in the dispensary, the person working there has me sign a disclaimer stating that I am informed about my decision to buy these drugs and they are entirely for personal use and any attempt to resell or redistribute these drugs will result in a harsh prison sentence.

The whole point of taking this kind of approach is to bring light to the reality that lots of people use drugs recreationally, it has always been that way, and most people can do so responsibly and in moderation. But the minority amongst us who have issues and need help can only be recognised if we recognise drug users as a whole. So the dispensary database is a way of doing that. Drug users should not be punished, especially those of us who are good, contributing members of society, but helped to reduce the harm they are putting themselves in and helped get clean when necessary. I'm almost certain someone reading this is simpleminded enough to reply with "just don't do drugs", so to anyone possibly thinking this I guarantee you know far more recreational drug users than you think you do, humanity has enjoyed drugs for as long as we've existed and burying our heads in the sand to the absolutely violent approach we currently take is very harmful and not constructive at all. We are holding ourselves back from having a highly educated and informed population on drug use, their dangers and how to look after ourselves.




They kind of exist, but not enough and as well as they should. Without full legalisation and regulation they won't be up to scrap, although Portugal and Switzerland are making a good effort with just decriminalisation.

While I agree with everything you say in this post. It makes 100% sense, you’d wonder would the number of people trying drugs increase because they would be supposidly safer and therefore increasing risk of addiction.
You’d have people trying stuff because it’s deemed (safer)
I’ve seen this with my own eyes.
Example: headshops. The likes of mephedrone was legal.

People who never in a million years would have touched drugs started doing the headshop stuff and when that was banned they realised drugs like Extacy and cocaine where similar.
If the headshops never existed I don’t think these people would have tried the likes of coke and pills.
This was half my year in school at the time.

Ultimate Seduction

whippet wrote: »

If you can show me a link to any where a first time offender received a conviction for possession of €100 worth of cocaine .. I might think about joining the Outraged club

I haven't a link but I was caught with about 4 lines of coke when I was 18. First offense. Convicted and fined 500 euros. Lost my job the following week when my boss saw it in the local paper.

I'm not outraged about this once he wasn't high on duty? I'm all for putting whatever you want in to you're body once your not harming others.

Arrival

steo_magra wrote: »

While I agree with everything you say in this post. It makes 100% sense, you’d wonder would the number of people trying drugs increase because they would be supposidly safer and therefore increasing risk of addiction.
You’d have people trying stuff because it’s deemed (safer)
I’ve seen this with my own eyes.
Example: headshops. The likes of mephedrone was legal.

People who never in a million years would have touched drugs started doing the headshop stuff and when that was banned they realised drugs like Extacy and cocaine where similar.
If the headshops never existed I don’t think these people would have tried the likes of coke and pills.
This was half my year in school at the time.

Initially you'd absolutely see more people try it but I really doubt it would be as many as we'd think because it takes a LOT to undo the taboo and false impression people have of drugs. It would all balance out. Drugs would be legalised, sure, but they wouldn't be glorified by any means. The system I'm proposing would simply be a licensed and regulated middle man who will ensure customers know exactly what they are getting and doing to themselves, with the ability to intervene where harm is being caused, as opposed to a criminal dealer who will sell as much as possible of unknown, unlabeled substances to whoever is handing them the cash.

Also, I'm sure you're not doing it intentionally but cocaine and ecstasy/MDMA don't belong in the same sentence together. Pure and clean MDMA is one of the safest, least harmful drugs one can use, even less than cannabis, provided the user is informed and knows how to take a suitable amount, stays hydrated and cooled and only does it occasionally (once every 5+ weeks). I believe everyone, absolutely everyone, should try MDMA in a good environment with people they love at least once in their lifetime. It would genuinely bring social progression leaps and bounds. Anyone who's not tried it simply will never know how truly incredible the human mind and our emotions can feel. All this and the next day you wake up completely fine, no hangover and no comedown. Alcohol and cocaine on the other hand? They don't even come close to the immense experiences MDMA gives you and they absolutely destroy you the next day, potentially even multiple days afterwards if you get a bad comedown.

Bigmac1euro

Arrival wrote: »

Also, I'm sure you're not doing it intentionally but cocaine and ecstasy/MDMA don't belong in the same sentence together. Pure and clean MDMA is one of the safest, least harmful drugs one can use, even less than cannabis, provided the user is informed and knows how to take a suitable amount, stays hydrated and cooled and only does it occasionally (once every 5+ weeks). I believe everyone, absolutely everyone, should try MDMA in a good environment with people they love at least once in their lifetime. It would genuinely bring social progression leaps and bounds. Anyone who's not tried it simply will never know how truly incredible the human mind and our emotions can feel. All this and the next day you wake up completely fine, no hangover and no comedown. Alcohol and cocaine on the other hand? They don't even come close to the immense experiences MDMA gives you and they absolutely destroy you the next day, potentially even multiple days afterwards if you get a bad comedown.

When cocaine is cut clean I’m sure it gives desirable affects with little comedown.
The reason I’m using the two in the same sentence is because they are both Class A
And these are the two Class A drugs most people are taking. MDMA obviously being the safer one of the two here but then again.
If something is legal unfortunately people do assume it’s safe. They will ingest and possibly over do it. Too much of anything is bad.

Example: you would have Johnny 21 years old get his 2 grams MDMA prescribed and decides he wants to rail it in one go because he wants to show his mates he can. (In Johnny’s head, what’s the worst that can happen they wouldn’t be able to legalise this stuff if you could over dose on it so easily)

Problem with legalising coke is you would then have people easily making grade A crack because they have clean cut Cocaine.


I don’t think it’s as easy as regulate.
It definitely wouldn’t work in Ireland but maybe other countries.
Sure look at our relationship with alcohol hence clubs closing Early and off licenses too.

We just wouldn’t be ready for it. Germany probably would have no problems though.
The Germans drink responsibly. Nightclubs open and close when they like.
Purchase of alcohol is legal at any time.

Arrival

steo_magra wrote: »

When cocaine is cut clean I’m sure it gives desirable affects with little comedown.
The reason I’m using the two in the same sentence is because they are both Class A
And these are the two Class A drugs most people are taking. MDMA obviously being the safer one of the two here but then again.
If something is legal unfortunately people do assume it’s safe. They will ingest and possibly over do it. Too much of anything is bad.

Example: you would have Johnny 21 years old get his 2 grams MDMA prescribed and decides he wants to rail it in one go because he wants to show his mates he can. (In Johnny’s head, what’s the worst that can happen they wouldn’t be able to legalise this stuff if you could over dose on it so easily)

Problem with legalising coke is you would then have people easily making grade A crack because they have clean cut Cocaine.


I don’t think it’s as easy as regulate.
It definitely wouldn’t work in Ireland but maybe other countries.
Sure look at our relationship with alcohol hence clubs closing Early and off licenses too.

We just wouldn’t be ready for it. Germany probably would have no problems though.
The Germans drink responsibly. Nightclubs open and close when they like.
Purchase of alcohol is legal at any time.

I just don't understand why Ireland can't do things the same as in Germany. Do you really think we're some special, hopeless case, some unique country that can't learn to live like all those other countries? The thing about clubs closing so early here is actually a cause of the binge drinking we experience here. If we let clubs open when they like people would naturally learn their limits and stop hammering drinks into themselves because there would be no closing time they feel the need to rush to get drunk before. Things like this work in Germany because adults have always been treated like adults whereas here we have allowed the government to put in place restrictions over these type of things we enjoy doing in our free time and it's actually resulted in people genuinely thinking that we couldn't function the same as the rest of Europe. We've allowed ourselves to become a real nanny state and mindsets like yours are perpetuating it. If tomorrow morning the rules were changed to allow clubs and pubs to open all night/weekend like all over Europe it would be wild for the first few weeks but then the novelty would wear off and everyone would come to an ideal balance as individuals. We would no longer have people ordering as many drinks as they can at last call and being herded out into the streets with hundreds of other people. Everyone would operate on their own schedules and crowds would filter out and leave throughout the night reducing all of the havoc we associate with Friday and Saturday nights.

These rules have seriously choked the nightlife scenes all over the country as well. Dublin and Cork have the potential to be huge dance music hubs amongst the best in Europe but the 2-3am closing times prevent it from flourishing and competing with other international cities. We're one of the wealthiest countries which would allow us the possibility to have some of the largest international DJs in clubs here most weeks, but instead the scene here is a joke.

bennyineire

I heard it just liked the smell of it

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bennyineire wrote: »

I heard it just liked the smell of it

If you ever decide to tour I'd buy tickets for your stand up show

FTA69

No hangover off yokes? Will you ever go on. Your brain would be absolutely fried after it and you'd be depressed off your head. What goes up must come down lad. No hangover off MDMA my eye.

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FTA69 wrote: »

No hangover off yokes? Will you ever go on. Your brain would be absolutely fried after it and you'd be depressed off your head. What goes up must come down lad. No hangover off MDMA my eye.

There are multiple possible reasons you're having such bad experiences and this can be completely avoided:

You're taking pills/MDMA too frequently
You're getting bad pills that are mixed/cut with other additives (I can tell you for a fact that a LOT, actually most, pills sold from dealers here in Ireland are bad pills. You have to get good ones from mainland Europe).
You're taking too much
You're mixing them with alcohol (maybe even other substances such as coke?).

When I go out (to roll, which is maximum once every couple of months) I only have a couple of pints to relax and then take pills a friend got from Germany and Belgium (200-250mg in total over the space of the night). I frequently drink water throughout the night to ensure I'm properly hydrated and cooled. Absolutely beautiful pills, such a nice gradual buildup that gives an amazing roll and lasts a good couple of hours and the come down is very clean. I wake up the next day feeling absolutely perfect, no hangover whatsoever. This is what the experience should be when a person uses MDMA correctly and safely. 5htp is also a great supplement for people who regularly roll, but one should allow a minimum of 5+ weeks between each roll. You are not supposed to drink or use other substances while on pills, this plays absolute havoc with your mind - I've done this multiple times and experienced really bad hangovers/comedowns and blackouts during the nights but then I actually researched what I was doing to myself. I guarantee if you did exactly the same routine as me you'd feel fantastic every time, I've had multiple friends confirm this now.