Wales Vs Rep. Of Ireland, 06 Sep 2018, 7:45pm KO. UEFA Nations League

LuckyLloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

That Welsh side consists by and large of Championship players, with a novice manager too, and they looked very comfortable.

Last night's squad:

Crystal Palace
Leicester City
Barnsley
Reading
Stoke
Spurs
Aston Villa
Swansea
Bristol
Brentford
Swansea
Newcastle
Derby
Arsenal
Leicester
Stoke
Bournemouth
Chelsea
Twente
Real Madrid
Burnley
Derby
Sheffield Utd
Derby
Leeds

1 La Liga, 1 Eredivise, 9 Premiership, 12 Championship. 2 League One
One World Class player, which makes such a difference in International Football and top level contributors throughout the starting XI.

By contrast, Irish squad:

Middlesborough
Hearts
Kristiansund
Burnley
Everton
Newcastle
Brighton
Fulham
Derby
Burnley
Wolves
Sheffield Utd
Sheffield Utd
Burnley
Reading
Bristol
Aston Villa
Brentford
Hibs
Preston
Millwall
Ipswich
Preston
Millwall
Preston

8 Premiership, 14 Championship. 2 Scotland, 1 Norway

No World Class players. 7 of 8 Premiership players defenders and the other a workmanlike midfielder.



They looked comfortable because they're much more talented than we are.

SlickRic

We don't have the talent AND the management is shít.

It's not one or the other. It's both.

GLaDOS

My opinion remains the same as after the Denmark game

GLaDOS wrote: »

Replacing MON is only placing a band aid on the bigger issues. If we continue to produce technically poor players, we're always going to struggle.

There are fundamental problems with the way we run football in this country and until they are addressed, there's only so much a manager can do.

Unfortunately it's hard to see anyone in a position to make a difference actually doing anything.

Wheety

What did MON say to Giggs here?

GLaDOS

Wheety wrote: »

What did MON say to Giggs here?

How's the sister in law?

fyfe79

GLaDOS wrote: »

How's the sister in law?

Brilliant!

Pighead

I was on board the O'Neill/Keane appointment at the time and in general I think he has done ok results wise up to the Denmark nightmare game. However, it really does feel like the time is right for him to move on. The whole thing needs freshening up. Hard to know who should come in though. List of replacements bandied about isn't very inspiring.

LuckyLloyd

Pighead wrote: »

I was on board the O'Neill/Keane appointment at the time and in general I think he has done ok results wise up to the Denmark nightmare game. However, it really does feel like the time is right for him to move on. The whole thing needs freshening up. Hard to know who should come in though. List of replacements bandied about isn't very inspiring.

Change "ok" to "good" results wise and I'd agree with all of the above.

I think whoever comes in will be in for an extremely rough ride however. The expectations of large sections of the fanbase seems to be completely misaligned with reality. There's a belief (as there has been since 2008) that it's only a case of selecting the right flavour of the month players and asking them to pass the ball to each other and the promised land shall come. This is of course stoked by the media at every opportunity. It has been nonsense for much of the last decade of course but particularly now with our playing pool so weak.

Any genuinely talented manager would do well to steer well clear, leaving a shortlist of chancers, has beens and never will be's. It might be a good thing though however to clear the air of all of the toxicity. Let people see a manager who has never achieved anything playing all the flavour of the months while trying to knock it about. Take the inevitable scolding that comes with that, hopefully don't slip further than a fourth seed and reboot in two year's time with a better aligned understanding of what it takes to win as an Irish fan.

weldoninhio

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Change "ok" to "good" results wise and I'd agree with all of the above.

I think whoever comes in will be in for an extremely rough ride however. The expectations of large sections of the fanbase seems to be completely misaligned with reality. There's a belief (as there has been since 2008) that it's only a case of selecting the right flavour of the month players and asking them to pass the ball to each other and the promised land shall come. This is of course stoked by the media at every opportunity. It has been nonsense for much of the last decade of course but particularly now with our playing pool so weak.

Any genuinely talented manager would do well to steer well clear, leaving a shortlist of chancers, has beens and never will be's. It might be a good thing though however to clear the air of all of the toxicity. Let people see a manager who has never achieved anything playing all the flavour of the months while trying to knock it about. Take the inevitable scolding that comes with that, hopefully don't slip further than a fourth seed and reboot in two year's time with a better aligned understanding of what it takes to win as an Irish fan.

Or we'll see that Premiership and Championship players are actually capable of making five yard passes within a structured game plan.

Where would that leave you and the rest of the Trap/O'Neill apologists??

LuckyLloyd

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or we'll see that Premiership and Championship players are actually capable of making five yard passes within a structured game plan.

Where would that leave you and the rest of the Trap/O'Neill apologists??

Celebrating! Unlike you, all we want is Ireland to do well.

tonycascarino

Wheety wrote: »

What did MON say to Giggs here?

MON seemed to say ''Well played''

Giggs then seems to look around for Roy Keane but Roy is nowhere to be seen

tigger123

tonycascarino wrote: »

MON seemed to say ''Well played''

Giggs then seems to look around for Roy Keane but Roy is nowhere to be seen

Doesn't seem to take much to really confuse Giggs.

smelly sock

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or we'll see that Premiership and Championship players are actually capable of making five yard passes within a structured game plan.

Where would that leave you and the rest of the Trap/O'Neill apologists??

The players are capable of a hell of a lot better than we have seen over the last 18 months or so. I believe 100 per cent that MON has lost the dressing room. I mean we played 3 full backs last night. Christie , coleman and Ward. Mad stuff. Doherty left on the bench at the start, does MON even know he has been good in the PL on the right wing. No Cunningham in the squad
Crazy stuff. No sign of MON trying to bring through players for the future. Walters leading the line at 34 speaks volumes. Robinson or burke should have been selected there. Jeff hendricks looks a good player playing for Burnley in the PL. How come he looks so bad in the green?

Look at the players we have potentially lost and lost during his reign and on his watch, rice, arters and grealish. Was or is he proactive enough? He doesnt appear to be.

RK has a track record of leaving clubs in the **** and ive a feeling he is at fault for Arters.

The damage that is being done now in a toxic environment will take time to repair.

smelly sock

MON will say other wise but he has lost the hunger for the game. He has nothing to lose at this stage as he has made his money. We need someone in with something at stake. Someone with energy amd hunger. Oh and a manager that practices game plans amd tactics.

Ardent

fyfe79 wrote: »

No shows for games at the Aviva is the only real solution. Hit them in the pocket. For too long we've been paying Premiership level ticket prices to watch Championship fare, now we're heading into League 1 level stuff. An overhaul of the FAI is required - they're still dining out on the 'glory years'.

Everyone on here bleating on about Delaney etc - yet people will still turn up in their droves, with their kids, to the Aviva and pay top dollar to line his pockets. Get used to the decline in Irish football over the next decade or so until he decides to fook off into the sunset.

tonycascarino

tonycascarino wrote: »

MON seemed to say ''Well played''

Giggs then seems to look around for Roy Keane but Roy is nowhere to be seen

Presume he was in the tunnel, preparing to row with a player.

The Talking Bread

Ardent wrote: »

Everyone on here bleating on about Delaney etc - yet people will still turn up in their droves, with their kids, to the Aviva and pay top dollar to line his pockets. Get used to the decline in Irish football over the next decade or so until he decides to fook off into the sunset.

That isn't the reason people go to an international football match............and you know that. Just a warped pointless attempt at virtue signalling on this issue.

You can still support your team and hate the administration behind the organisation. You shouldn't, as a fan be made guilty, hypocritical, or talked down to for having that conflicting approach to both of these

What next, you complain about players for turning up and representing a team ran by the FAI.

People are still going to attend matches regardless of internet outrage but same fans shouldn't be labelled hypocrites.

OldMrBrennan83

The Talking Bread wrote: »

That isn't the reason people go to an international football match............and you know that. Just a warped pointless attempt at virtue signalling on this issue.

You can still support your team and hate the administration behind the organisation. You shouldn't, as a fan be made guilty, hypocritical, or talked down to for having that conflicting approach to both of these

What next, you complain about players for turning up and representing a team ran by the FAI.

People are still going to attend matches regardless of internet outrage but same fans shouldn't be labelled hypocrites.

They're not hypocrites because most don't give a single **** about the state of the game here and will be on the boat over to Anfield the next week.

The Talking Bread

Wheety wrote: »

What did MON say to Giggs here?

"I'll see you in the tunnel"

And then it suddenly dawns on Giggs as he stares petrified of his fate, looking for alternative ways out of the stadium

fyfe79

Wheety wrote: »

What did MON say to Giggs here?

"Roy wants a word with you in private - something to do with a text you sent to his missus?"

smelly sock

Patww79 wrote: »

They're not hypocrites because most don't give a single **** about the state of the game here and will be on the boat over to Anfield the next week.

Whats wrong with going to games in the uk?

Decent stadia is a big attraction for a start. Was up in oriel park last season. Wiped my feet on the way out.

Dots1982

smelly sock wrote: »

Patww79 wrote: »

They're not hypocrites because most don't give a single **** about the state of the game here and will be on the boat over to Anfield the next week.

Whats wrong with going to games in the uk?

Decent stadia is a big attraction for a start. Was up in oriel park last season. Wiped my feet on the way out.

Your money goes to the UK economy & developing players in the English system

machiavellianme

Dots1982 wrote: »

Your money goes to the UK economy & developing players in the English system

True, but most of the best Irish hopes for the future are part of that system (until they don't make it and come back to LoI)

tayto lover

I don't like the Welsh fans at all. They think their team is better than they really are and are above their station. A mongrel shower.