Too much fruit?

giveitholly

Just wondering if I am eating too much fruit in the day,trying to eat healthier and I love fruit,I have blueberries,some strawberries and grapes with some weetabix for breakfast and a banana soon after,I would eat an apple,pear and orange in the afternoon and then late evening would have another orange along with some more blackberries and strawberries,I know fruit contains sugar so I wonder am I having too much!? Thanks in advance for any advice

silverharp

it depends , it wouldn't be for me, if you are above your ideal weight or tend to feel hungry all the time in between meals then I'd say yep. I'd look up the GI of different fruits and try to select lower ones. Also the breakfast cereal wont be very satiating and probably wouldn’t tide you over to lunch so you will be in a cycle of craving something sweet every couple of hours.

Tar.Aldarion

There is no evidence I'm aware that shows any upper limit for whole fruit intake whatsoever in an otherwise healthy diet. Large amount of servings (20+ per day) have been tested with no negative (and some positive) affects. When the sugar is in whole fruit it doesn't matter, it's added sugar to things that gets you. Even type 2 diabetics have been tested and told to not restrict fruit https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1475-2891-12-29

twowheelsonly

I've always looked on fruit as being 'Natures Sweets' and accordingly I'd only eat fruit in moderation but I'd imagine that it would be hard to overdo it anyway. I don't like any berries as it happens, or even grapes. Pears and Bananas would be my usual go to fruits for no reason other than they're my favourites !!

iguana

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

There is no evidence I'm aware that shows any upper limit for whole fruit intake whatsoever in an otherwise healthy diet. Large amount of servings (20+ per day) have been tested with no negative (and some positive) affects. When the sugar is in whole fruit it doesn't matter, it's added sugar to things that gets you. Even type 2 diabetics have been tested and told to not restrict fruit https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1475-2891-12-29

Do you know if that include dried fruit? Or overripe fruit like browning bananas?

RebelButtMunch

It's possible to over do it if you want to loose weight. There's nearly 100cals in a banana.

twignme

iguana wrote: »

Do you know if that include dried fruit? Or overripe fruit like browning bananas?

I believe the advice is to restrict dried fruit. That’s because the drying process concentrates the sugars, and because they don’t have the bulk and fibre of fresh fruit, there is a tendency to eat more.

trik

I'd be more worried about the weetabix than the fruit.

bladespin

trik wrote:

I'd be more worried about the weetabix than the fruit.

I wouldn't.

Alf Veedersane

trik wrote: »

I'd be more worried about the weetabix than the fruit.

If Weetabix in your diet is the main thing you're concerned about then congratulations on your diet.

Mellor

twignme wrote: »

I believe the advice is to restrict dried fruit. That’s because the drying process concentrates the sugars, and because they don’t have the bulk and fibre of fresh fruit, there is a tendency to eat more.

Per fruit, I can't see dried fruit has any less fibre then fresh fruit. Where has the fibre gone.
The only difference between the two would be water content, and maybe some vitamins degrading.
The issue with dried fruit is that's its much easier to eat 10 dried apricots than 10 fresh ones. And the calories are largely the same

paleoperson

You cannot eat too much fruit, no way. There are airy-fairy anti-sugar diets going around and they get so mixed up they tell you to reduce fruit... forget it. You could eat 100% fruit. Fruit juices perhaps need a little more thought and deliberation put into them but certainly not what could be considered a bad thing.

And yes dried fruit has all the fibre. Like fruit juice, requires a little more care.

Mellor

paleoperson wrote: »

You cannot eat too much fruit, no way.

That really depends on what your dietary goals are. If you are trying to lose weight, especially if you are a smaller statured. Then eating a lot of fruit could be counter productive. Regardless of how "healthy" you think calories are, they are still calories.

You could eat 100% fruit.

That would be an awful diet. Completely devoid of protein and fat.

Fruit juices perhaps need a little more thought and deliberation put into them but certainly not what could be considered a bad thing.

Fruit juice is a good way to get 20-30g sugar into you quickly. So is a glass of fanta. There is a very clear "bad thing" associated with to that tbh.

paleoperson

Mellor wrote: »

That really depends on what your dietary goals are. If you are trying to lose weight, especially if you are a smaller statured. Then eating a lot of fruit could be counter productive. Regardless of how "healthy" you think calories are, they are still calories.

For all but people who are already medium/thin, they shouldn't watch their fruit intake. If they're already fairly thin and want to get thinner for some reason then monitor intake of certain fruits like bananas. You won't feel like eating that much of them.

Mellor wrote: »

That would be an awful diet. Completely devoid of protein and fat.

Completely false, there can be plenty of protein and fat in all-fruit diets.

Mellor wrote: »

Fruit juice is a good way to get 20-30g sugar into you quickly. So is a glass of fanta. There is a very clear "bad thing" associated with to that tbh.

You're talking to someone who has eaten almost nothing but fruit with some vegetables and nuts thrown in for years. I'm a complete oddball when it comes to eating so I know what I'm talking about - saying that fanta and fruit juice are in any way similar is part of the simplistic thinking that has done a lot of damage over the years. That's the old way of thinking, the idea that sugar = poison, pushed by people like Dr. Atkins and more recently by Dr. Lustig. Animal studies show that those theories are no longer tenable and were mostly all garbage.

Now I never said that you could chug fruit juice as much as and whenever you want. Everyone should monitor their intake of fruit juice, you can't go crazy with it like you can with complete raw fruit. However it is quite a good thing to consume if for some reason no other type of fruit is available.

Mellor

paleoperson wrote: »

For all but people who are already medium/thin, they shouldn't watch their fruit intake. If they're already fairly thin and want to get thinner for some reason then monitor intake of certain fruits like bananas. You won't feel like eating that much of them.

Not just thin people.
A shorter female, might only have a maintenance of 1200 calories. There's very little scope for a deficit there. So a few extra pieces of fruit could easily prevent weight loss.

Completely false, there can be plenty of protein and fat in all-fruit diets.

Any evidence or examples to back that up?
What's a typical day of eating fruit only, and how much protein and fat do you get in?

You're talking to someone who has eaten almost nothing but fruit with some vegetables and nuts thrown in for years. I'm a complete oddball when it comes to eating so I know what I'm talking about - saying that fanta and fruit juice are in any way similar is part of the simplistic thinking that has done a lot of damage over the years.

They are very similar sugar contents. That's a fact.
Pointing out that they have similarities isn't saying they are exactly the same.

That's the old way of thinking, the idea that sugar = poison, pushed by people like Dr. Atkins and more recently by Dr. Lustig. Animal studies show that those theories are no longer tenable and were mostly all garbage.

I never said anything about poison. None of my points have anything to do with sugar being toxic.

Now I never said that you could chug fruit juice as much as and whenever you want. Everyone should monitor their intake of fruit juice, you can't go crazy with it like you can with complete raw fruit. However it is quite a good thing to consume if for some reason no other type of fruit is available.

Why would anyone need to monitor their intake is there is nothing bad about fruit juice or sugar. That's quite the contraction.

Either there are no negative aspects, and can be consumed without limit.
Or there certain negatives, so over consumption should be kept in check.

silverharp

I notice in work there are some people who have a banana on toast mid morning , I don’t know if this is their breakfast or “second breakfast” but I do sigh a little inside. A problem I would see is that sedentary people snack too often and most people use fruit as a snack and not incorporated into their meals. To reiterate Mellor’s point, if you have a low maintenance point you ought not really be snacking even if its healthy

paleoperson wrote: »

You're talking to someone who has eaten almost nothing but fruit with some vegetables and nuts thrown in for years. I'm a complete oddball when it comes to eating so I know what I'm talking about - saying that fanta and fruit juice are in any way similar is part of the simplistic thinking that has done a lot of damage over the years. That's the old way of thinking, the idea that sugar = poison, pushed by people like Dr. Atkins and more recently by Dr. Lustig. Animal studies show that those theories are no longer tenable and were mostly all garbage.

Now I never said that you could chug fruit juice as much as and whenever you want. Everyone should monitor their intake of fruit juice, you can't go crazy with it like you can with complete raw fruit. However it is quite a good thing to consume if for some reason no other type of fruit is available.

That’s an ironic handle you have there ;-) , when in human history did humans have access to all kinds of fruit all year round? Did they have access to highly cultivated fruit or GMO frankenfruit which marketeers will have directed to be as sweet as possible. The modern banana I believe barely resembles the ancestral versions of the fruit.

Your “old way of thinking” point doesn’t stand up as its only in the last couple of years that the issue is beginning to get into the public and going by walking around a supermarket, outside of soft drinks I don’t see food sold as “sugar free” or “low sugar”, low fat is this the mark of “quality”. As for “animal studies” at best they are potentially useful to generate a hypothesis but I wouldn’t go basing my food intake on them. Unfortunately good quality studies are very expensive when using people so you tend to end up with a lot of dodgy questionnaire based ones asking people what they have eaten in the previous 5 years or some such. Its clear the sugar consumption rise in processed food particularly has coincided with the post 1970’s rise in metabolic issues.

Macy0161

silverharp wrote: »

I notice in work there are some people who have a banana on toast mid morning , I don’t know if this is their breakfast or “second breakfast” but I do sigh a little inside. A problem I would see is that sedentary people snack too often and most people use fruit as a snack and not incorporated into their meals. To reiterate Mellor’s point, if you have a low maintenance point you ought not really be snacking even if its healthy

I'd say it depends on what it's replacing, and overall goals really. In our office, the banana on toast is quite often the alternative to pastries and donuts so many of the rest of them are having. Banana or a mars bar? I don't see how you can judge on one choice you see people make tbh.

silverharp

Macy0161 wrote: »

I'd say it depends on what it's replacing, and overall goals really. In our office, the banana on toast is quite often the alternative to pastries and donuts so many of the rest of them are having. Banana or a mars bar? I don't see how you can judge on one choice you see people make tbh.

Less unhealthy versus more unhealthy isn’t a perfect solution surely? As for goals its not like everybody thinks through this stuff on a daily basis, I assume a lot of people gently slide , panic at some stage find a routine for a while and then gently slide again, rinse and repeat. Sure its only one choice but if its every day I can judge on the basis that firstly its eating between meals combined with the fact that they are not training and have a sedentary job and they are more likely to be overweight or obese .

Macy0161

silverharp wrote: »

Less unhealthy versus more unhealthy isn’t a perfect solution surely?

Probably the disagreement is really seeing bananas as unhealthy. Or toast/ bread. Niether of which I view as inherently unhealthy tbh.

silverharp

Macy0161 wrote: »

Probably the disagreement is really seeing bananas as unhealthy. Or toast/ bread. Niether of which I view as inherently unhealthy tbh.

I wouldn’t necessarily see bananas as unhealthy, it is a whole food which is good and certainly is fine for anyone training or doing energetic activity, the combining with bread I'd see as problematic. I do have a dim view of bread as it’s a processed food with a high GI index and not terribly filling.

paleoperson

The only comment I have to make is that Mellor's question of where you get your protein is the very first thing clueless people always ask people who don't eat meat and it's laughed at in those communities. Honestly I don't like the attitudes being given to me here and have lost interest in this discussion. It's clear I'm not going to learn anything here.

Alf Veedersane

paleoperson wrote: »

The only comment I have to make is that Mellor's question of where you get your protein is the very first thing clueless people always ask people who don't eat meat and it's laughed at in those communities. Honestly I don't like the attitudes being given to me here and have lost interest in this discussion. It's clear I'm not going to learn anything here.

To be fair and by the same token, if you want people to understand your viewpoint, you have to back it up. That goes for whatever side you're on. He questioned where the protein and fat comes from and you didn't answer but yet say it's a question that's laughed at.

Why is it laughed at? What is the basis for laughing at it. Genuine question(s).

Mellor

paleoperson wrote: »

The only comment I have to make is that Mellor's question of where you get your protein is the very first thing clueless people always ask people who don't eat meat and it's laughed at in those communities.

It was a straight forward and simple question. Pretending to take the high ground and opting for insults over answers is pretty transparent. I can't help but feel if you could answer you would.

And it's nothing to do with not eating meat. I never mentioned meat. There are plenty of vegetarian sources of protein. I can think of dozens - none are fruit.


Edit: For the sake of completeness, I am aware of some fruit sources of dietary fat. I'm not suggesting none exist, I'm questioning if they make up a high enough proportion of a whole fruit diet to supply adequate fat.

bladespin

paleoperson wrote: »

The only comment I have to make is that Mellor's question of where you get your protein is the very first thing clueless people always ask people who don't eat meat and it's laughed at in those communities. Honestly I don't like the attitudes being given to me here and have lost interest in this discussion. It's clear I'm not going to learn anything here.

A little precious there, it's an honest question, I wouldn't have a clue apaort from guessing at some kind of soya thing. If you have knowledge and believe it's good then be prepared to share, there is no such thing as a stupid question but there are lots of stupid answers.

paleoperson

bladespin wrote: »

A little precious there, it's an honest question, I wouldn't have a clue apaort from guessing at some kind of soya thing. If you have knowledge and believe it's good then be prepared to share, there is no such thing as a stupid question but there are lots of stupid answers.

That doesn't seem fair. So no questions can be stupid, yet if someone gives answers they certainly may be stupid? It seems to me like there can be stupid questions and there can be stupid answers.

I'm not saying all these questions were stupid but it's an environment I don't feel comfortable answering in. I also feel like as I'm trying to explain it, that it's going to be thrown in my face with completely flawed logic. I don't get anything out of it and will certainly not be thanked or anything by the sounds of things. So good luck with that but if you expect me to sit around and answer questions and then being treated so ludicrously think again. It happens sometimes, not every question that is asked should be answered or we would never get anything done and I've made up my mind and am not changing it. I also resent this "if you could answer you would", that's so insulting and childish, forget it.

paleoperson

Your sense of entitlement that a person who knows something has to "be prepared to share" is staggering. That's not how the world works.

You wouldn't go up to someone in real life, especially someone with expertise, and expect them to answer all your questions with thinly veiled insults about how they must not know if you they don't answer. I tell you what, paypal me €10 I'll answer all questions on it otherwise forget it.

bladespin

paleoperson wrote:

You wouldn't go up to someone in real life, especially someone with expertise, and expect them to answer all your questions with thinly veiled insults about how they must not know if you they don't answer. I tell you what, paypal me €10 I'll answer all questions on it otherwise forget it.

Lol, you've given me every answer there.

Btw bad form soliciting on a public forum, the rest of are here to share knowledge, not try to profit from it, off to bananaland with ye.

paleoperson

bladespin wrote: »

Lol, you've given me every answer there.

Btw bad form soliciting on a public forum, the rest of are here to share knowledge, not try to profit from it, off to bananaland with ye.

Now you are really just being a troll.

I'm not trying to do "soliciting" at all and I do not think people are going to take me up on it. I was making a point about how unreasonable your expectations were and offering a suggestion on if you really wanted to get answers from me.

I already shared what I wanted to share, I gave good advice. That's good advice. You can search into it more if you want, you can not believe me if you want. I then decided some of the questions were a bit rude for me or I did not see good things coming from them, it was not worth it for me and was gone from the board before you decided to bring my name up again seven days later. A person eating an unusual diet in the small minority is bound to face a lot of abuse and I didn't want to face that, it's basically discrimination.

If you really wanted me to not stay here, you shouldn't have brought up my name again seven days later and had a go at me. Now I suggest leaving me go again without making insults at me again.

adox

You made a statement as fact and were asked to back it up and failed to do so.

It’s as simple as that really.

bladespin

paleoperson wrote:

Now I suggest leaving me go again without making insults at me again.

Off to bananaland so, bye.

paleoperson

adox wrote: »

You made a statement as fact and were asked to back it up and failed to do so.

This is completely false.

Stating that there is plenty of protein in fruit is not making "a statement as fact".

If you're using the word "plenty" you're objectively not making a factual statement.

Even if I did make a statement of fact, which I did not, that wouldn't shed any light on how true it was and neither would it cause there to be a burden of proof on me.

If anyone made a factual statement it was that poster, stating fruit is "devoid of protein", devoid = nothing? I mean, come on, I'd like to assume they know more than thinking it's 0% protein but that was their factual statement.

If someone is too far beneath the level of understanding to know and lookup basic things, then there can in no way be any statement, such as yours, legitimately made that causes clear and intentional prejudice against the claims made.

Alf Veedersane

paleoperson wrote: »

This is completely false.

Stating that there is plenty of protein in fruit is not making "a statement as fact".

If you're using the word "plenty" you're objectively not making a factual statement.

Even if I did make a statement of fact, which I did not, that wouldn't shed any light on how true it was and neither would it cause there to be a burden of proof on me.

If anyone made a factual statement it was that poster, stating fruit is "devoid of protein", devoid = nothing? I mean, come on, I'd like to assume they know more than thinking it's 0% protein but that was their factual statement.

If someone is too far beneath the level of understanding to know and lookup basic things, then there can in no way be any statement, such as yours, legitimately made that causes clear and intentional prejudice against the claims made.

You could have explained what you meant without wasting as much of your own time and effort in not answering.

'Devoid of' is much closer to the truth than 'plenty' when it comes to protein content of...plenty of fruit

paleoperson

Fine, what I meant by "plenty" is "enough". You won't be malnourished or anything. Yes you will certainly find sources saying that more would be better. By me saying something and then immediately asked for sources on it, you can see how that can be seen as obnoxious. I'm going by my experience and what I've read etc. Noone said anything like you have to take it as fact.

Alf Veedersane

paleoperson wrote: »

Fine, what I meant by "plenty" is "enough". You won't be malnourished or anything. Yes you will certainly find sources saying that more would be better. By me saying something and then immediately asked for sources on it, you can see how that can be seen as obnoxious. I'm going by my experience and what I've read etc. Noone said anything like you have to take it as fact.

You said there can be plenty of protein and fat in an all-fruit diet. It reads like you're saying there's more than enough of both and there may be 'enough' depending on what and how much of it you eat. Clarifying what you meant is all you had to do because I like fruit but there's no way i could eat enough to get enough protein from it.

People are challenged on comments on this forum a lot. Sometimes because someone doesn't believe them...you can either ignore or put forward why you believe what you do. If that's countered, you either dismiss the counter argument or consider it. Nothing wrong with being challenged on something - if you consider a counter argument and you're still happy your understanding is correct, then that's better all round.

runawaybishop

paleoperson wrote: »

Fine, what I meant by "plenty" is "enough". You won't be malnourished or anything. Yes you will certainly find sources saying that more would be better. By me saying something and then immediately asked for sources on it, you can see how that can be seen as obnoxious. I'm going by my experience and what I've read etc. Noone said anything like you have to take it as fact.

Only one person coming across as obnoxious here.

paleoperson

Alright maybe I have been a little biased due to vegan propaganda, I suppose it is not a bad inquiry how you get your protein. For me personally I never worry about protein and have been going fine for years. Multiple blood tests came back fine, no problem. I used to eat beans for protein but I'd get bad heartburn from them sometimes, I never really liked them that much.

adox

paleoperson wrote: »

This is completely false.

Stating that there is plenty of protein in fruit is not making "a statement as fact".

If you're using the word "plenty" you're objectively not making a factual statement.

Even if I did make a statement of fact, which I did not, that wouldn't shed any light on how true it was and neither would it cause there to be a burden of proof on me.

If anyone made a factual statement it was that poster, stating fruit is "devoid of protein", devoid = nothing? I mean, come on, I'd like to assume they know more than thinking it's 0% protein but that was their factual statement.

If someone is too far beneath the level of understanding to know and lookup basic things, then there can in no way be any statement, such as yours, legitimately made that causes clear and intentional prejudice against the claims made.

You’ve been asked to give examples of an all fruit diet that provides “plenty of protein and fats”

You are the one that posted it and have posted numerous times since without addressing it.

Seems a fairly simple question to me and a totally reasonable one to ask if the poster is doubtful that it is correct. I don’t see why you wouldn’t address it while still posting numerous times on this thread.

paleoperson

adox wrote: »

You’ve been asked to give examples of an all fruit diet that provides “plenty of protein and fats”

You are the one that posted it and have posted numerous times since without addressing it.

Seems a fairly simple question to me and a totally reasonable one to ask if the poster is doubtful that it is correct. I don’t see why you wouldn’t address it while still posting numerous times on this thread.

Okay. You seem to think I'm going to point to someone else who will tell you that this is indeed enough protein. But I am saying this from my own experience and reading like I said, that I believe I am getting plenty of protein. Enough protein. There is no higher authority and numbers I can crunch that I am appealing to. I have no clue how much protein I'm getting in terms of grams and I have never known. It is not something important to me.

adox

paleoperson wrote: »

Okay. You seem to think I'm going to point to someone else who will tell you that this is indeed enough protein. But I am saying this from my own experience and reading like I said, that I believe I am getting plenty of protein. Enough protein. There is no higher authority and numbers I can crunch that I am appealing to.

Give us a breakdown of a typical days eating for you so, fruit only diet. It’s a fairly common thing on here to do to explain things.

Jimmy.

I find myself going to the bathroom very often if I eat too much fruit. How do posters here reduce that?

paleoperson

adox wrote: »

Give us a breakdown of a typical days eating for you so, fruit only diet. It’s a fairly common thing on here to do to explain things.

I'm not going to, it's too personal to me.

In fairness I eat a fair share of vegetables and leafy greens as well. Almost every day I have something other than fruit. My point is mostly that you can have a very high amount of calories from fruit.

Jimmy. wrote: »

I find myself going to the bathroom very often if I eat too much fruit. How do posters here reduce that?

I can only speculate as this is really alien to me. But maybe you are not getting enough fibre in your diet and then when you get lots of fibre together, it all comes out together. So stick to eating fruit and forget everything else most of the time.

Jimmy.

Have you found a way and won’t tell?

paleoperson

Jimmy. wrote: »

Have you found a way and won’t tell?

I hadn't seen your post when I started writing mine, I edited mine to try to answer your question.

IHeartShoes

Jimmy. wrote: »

I find myself going to the bathroom very often if I eat too much fruit. How do posters here reduce that?

Have done fruit and veg diet only, a week at a time. But evacuations are normal. No difference. Never feel better but I can’t sustain it, because I get bored and it’s antisocial.

silverharp

i had a quick look at some "fruitarian" youtubers , they dont look like the healthiest bunch of people :pac: emaciated with a dose of premature ageing.

Blacktie.

Love me a bit of n=1 perfect diet studies with 0 tracking done.

adox

paleoperson wrote: »

I'm not going to, it's too personal to me.

In fairness I eat a fair share of vegetables and leafy greens as well. Almost every day I have something other than fruit. My point is mostly that you can have a very high amount of calories from fruit.

Ok well you weren’t talking about vegetables and leafy greens so they are irrelevant to your point about getting plenty of protein and fat from a fruit only diet.

Your point about getting a lot of calories from fruit is also irrelevant. No one is disputing that fruit have calories.

If you don’t want to let us know what you eat on a daily basis then give us an example of what a person would need to eat on a fruit only diet to get plenty of protein and fat. You’ve been asked numerous times.

Mellor

paleoperson wrote: »

Stating that there is plenty of protein in fruit is not making "a statement as fact".

That's actually precisely what it is.

If you're using the word "plenty" you're objectively not making a factual statement.

I don't see how the use of "Plenty" means it's not aimed as representing fact.
Objective statements are, by definition, factual.

Even if I did make a statement of fact, which I did not, that wouldn't shed any light on how true it was and neither would it cause there to be a burden of proof on me.

You made the statement, and were asked for an example. That's entirely reasonably.
You don't have to answer, but failing to do so speaks volumes.

If anyone made a factual statement it was that poster, stating fruit is "devoid of protein", devoid = nothing? I mean, come on, I'd like to assume they know more than thinking it's 0% protein but that was their factual statement.

If someone is too far beneath the level of understanding to know and lookup basic things, then there can in no way be any statement, such as yours, legitimately made that causes clear and intentional prejudice against the claims made.

I think it was clear that I wasn't saying fruit is absolutely 0% protein. A bit silly to take it that way.
To be clear, I'm saying that your statement is incorrect, and that an all fruit diet doesn't have plenty or enough protein and fat.

"too far beneath the level of understanding"...lol, that's funny. Actually it's the opposite case. I'm saying there's not enough precisely because I understand the macro profile of fruit. I don't need to look it up, but if I did it would be trivial to check google and find out that a banana has 1% protein and even less fat.

paleoperson

Some people are just too dumb to argue with, hopefully not you.

If I say it's sunny today, that is an opinion and a belief. It's not a "statement of fact", especially in the commonly used sense and especially in the sense you were using it by claiming that statements of fact are things that can be and should be clearly backed up. That was the whole reason you used the term. What is a small amount of protein to you may be a lot to others.

This is honestly very basic stuff. Anyone can make a mistake but I am disappointed do see you coming back again stating it's a "statement of fact". Meanwhile you yourself think it's fine to get away making statements like "fruit is devoid of protein" which was an actual statement of fact and it wasn't completely clear at all that you were talking metaphorically or "silly" to think otherwise.

runawaybishop

Well done on wrecking the thread.

Alf Veedersane

runawaybishop wrote: »

Well done on wrecking the thread.

I'd had such high hopes for it.