So... Russia and China are getting friendly

manual_man

"Russia has launched its biggest military exercise since the Cold War, involving about 300,000 service personnel, in eastern Siberia.

China is sending 3,200 troops to take part in "Vostok-2018", with many Chinese armoured vehicles and aircraft. Mongolia is also sending some units.

The last Russian exercise of similar scale was in 1981, during the Cold War, but Vostok-2018 involves more troops."

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"Mr Putin and Mr Xi are said to get along well too - in June, the Chinese leader called his Russian counterpart his "best, most intimate friend"."

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All taken from BBC.

I dunno about you guys, but I'm concerned what might happen next.

Discuss

Riddle101

Make sense for China and Russia to build stronger relations with each other. They're similar to certain ways and both are constantly at odds with the West.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Especially with Trump in charge. If you ever wanted to build a strong and combine forces against a superpower, now's the time to do it.

riffmongous

Just some posturing from Russia to distract from their pension crisis.

Zulu

Ill just leave this here...

https://youtu.be/BJPMrZJsH_Y?t=15s

Irish Praetorian

Oh my word two nations conducting joint military exercises in their own countries - RUN FOR THE DAMN HILLS!

mad muffin

I have three Vostoks.

Woke Hogan

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Especially with Trump in charge. If you ever wanted to build a strong and combine forces against a superpower, now's the time to do it.

Ridiculous. Do you think Putin and Xi are the Power Rangers or something?

ArchXStanton

About time,its needed to counter the US regime and its axis of evil partners

Ten of Swords

BBC didn't mention that Russia invited a NATO military (Turkey) to participate too

archer22

I can see an alliance of Russia, China, Turkey and Iran, on the cards.

And that would be some quite formidable military firepower.

Gatling

China and Russia have always been close but not always so they nearly went to war previously,so far China buys a lot oil and gas from Russia on the cheap ,
Military wise russia is falling behind technological advances on most fronts ,for the current exercise it's all bluster ,till China does something stupid in the south China sea and all hell breaks loose ,

Second base is imminent.

Junkyard Tom

We could do with booting NATO out of Europe and forming a European defence force.

Atoms for Peace

mad muffin wrote: »

I have three Vostoks.

I couldn't give a Vostok.

Gatling

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

We could do with booting NATO out of Europe and forming a European defence force.

So basically change to to the European defense treaty organisation .

Still would need American airpower for another decade till the rest of Europe rebuild their airforces for the future

Hector Bellend

Are they actually **** each other off in geopolitical terms?

Woke Hogan

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Are they actually **** each other off in geopolitical terms?

No they're not. The lads on this site seem to be under the impression that geopolitical maneuvers are like a Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles cartoon, where one supervillian joins forces with another to take over the world. It's laughable.

the purple tin

Gatling wrote: »

China and Russia have always been close but not always so they nearly went to war previously,so far China buys a lot oil and gas from Russia on the cheap ,
Military wise russia is falling behind technological advances on most fronts ,for the current exercise it's all bluster ,till China does something stupid in the south China sea and all hell breaks loose ,

Maybe with the whizzbangs but Russia and China are both ahead of US with EMP technology which can turn whizzbangs into expensive paperweights.

Cheerful Spring

Woke Hogan wrote: »

No they're not. The lads on this site seem to be under the impression that geopolitical maneuvers are like a Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles cartoon, where one supervillian joins forces with another to take over the world. It's laughable.

That's how the world really works. Just because you can buy a hamburger and nice tv and stuff do not mean the world is not run by sinister people. Look at Syria you can see different worlds powers are fighting for control over territory in the middle east.

We in the west supply head choppers with weapons and then when a terrorist attack happens we say isn't that awful they are attacking us. But if they so evil why are we supplying them weapons to overthrow governments? Headchopper friend one day and enemy the next day.

Do you think Russia parked a few dozen warships off the US coast the united states would not react? If the fine for Ancient Rome part 2 to sail its warships near other countries coasts and construct bases near other countries borders.

4068ac1elhodqr

No idea whay they need 300,000 or so wee men when they (supposedly) have some new robocop “controlled bipedal walker”
by the way of a 13ft golden 4.5tonne anthropomorphic walker (nothing in the news suggests it can actully walk as of yet).



Surprised NK hasn't joined in the drink-fest.

Your Face

Not a big deal in terms of joint manoeuvres.

archer22

the purple tin wrote: »

Maybe with the whizzbangs but Russia and China are both ahead of US with EMP technology which can turn whizzbangs into expensive paperweights.

Also ahead with hyper sonic anti ship missiles which can turn America's much vaunted carrier groups into new reefs.

Ten of Swords

China has not participated in a war since the 1970s. Part of the reason for their involvement in these war games is to learn combat lessons from Russia, particularly recent conflicts in Syria etc.

The other reasons are strengthening military ties and ensuring there is no distrust which would likely occur if China were excluded from Russia's biggest ever war games which are occurring just over the border.

https://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2161909/vostok-2018-war-games-chinas-chance-learn-russias

China and Russia are not particularly good friends and a number of diplomatic incidents in their past mean each views the other with a certain degree of mistrust, I think panicking about an alliance is a bit premature!

Odhinn

manual_man wrote: »

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"Mr Putin and Mr Xi are said to get along well too - in June, the Chinese leader called his Russian counterpart his "best, most intimate friend"."

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All taken from BBC.

I dunno about you guys, but I'm concerned what might happen next.

Discuss

Hot sex, from the sounds of it.

Gatling

archer22 wrote: »

Also ahead with hyper sonic anti ship missiles which can turn America's much vaunted carrier groups into new reefs.

Not really no .

hypothetically it's been claimed but we've had Russia make similar claims on various weapons systems over the last 50 years ,a bit like there new Pak 50 stealth fighter that couldn't fly fast and wasn't stealth ,
We know China weapons are clones of other countries technology but no proof any of it actually works in a combat environment ,
Unlike western nations fighting in combat zones over the last near two decades.

archer22

Gatling wrote: »

Not really no .

hypothetically it's been claimed but we've had Russia make similar claims on various weapons systems over the last 50 years ,a bit like there new Pak 50 stealth fighter that couldn't fly fast and wasn't stealth ,
We know China weapons are clones of other countries technology but no proof any of it actually works in a combat environment ,
Unlike western nations fighting in combat zones over the last near two decades.

You might not feel so confident if you were standing on the deck of a US carrier when you hear that DF-21-D launches have just been detected on the Chinese mainland

Jim Bob Scratcher

Odhinn wrote: »

Hot sex, from the sounds of it.

Which one has the black willy though? :pac:

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We supply head choppers with weapons and then when a terrorist attack happens we say isn't that awful they are attacking us. But if they so evil why are we supplying them weapons to overthrow governments?

What's this "we" business?

Billy86

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Especially with Trump in charge. If you ever wanted to build a strong and combine forces against a superpower, now's the time to do it.

To be honest though, I don't see why Putin would declare war on his own underling?

Sal Butamol

Billy86 wrote: »

To be honest though, I don't see why Putin would declare war on his own underling?

Funny how the underling, as you put it, has slapped Russia with more sanctions than ever.

Odd you might even say

Billy86

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Funny how the underling, as you put it, has slapped Russia with more sanctions than ever.

Odd you might even say

Perhaps you could give us the details of these "more sanctions than ever" so?

US Congress voted overwhelmingly for sanctions in June of last year, and yet none were enacted for close to a year, and those that finally were were quite laughable - something both parties have been able to agree on: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/402921-senators-trump-officials-clash-over-russia-sanctions

And within Trump's first week he was trying to get the already existing sanctions lifted on Russia. We also know that his son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with Russia to discuss exactly that - removing these sanctions. We know this because his dimwitted son admitted as much, claiming it to be about "adoptions" which Russia removed entirely from the US following the Magnitsky sanctions - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.3313df35ebe9

This is why Russian state controlled TV is happy to boast that "Trump is ours!" as the US president essentially spent the Helsinki conference performing fellatio to Uncle Vlad.



But hey, I guess so long as he keeps overseeing the kidnapping, drugging and torturing of little children you guys are OK with it.