RR World Champs

Inquitus

Road Race


One of the toughest WRR circuits in a number of years, defo one for the GC boys or the Climbing Classicists.

Gnadenwald (1st Climb)


Igls (Repeated Climb)


Gramartboden (Final last lap bonus climb)

Say hello...you are in hell!


The Bookies Take

Alejandro Valverde 11/4
Julian Alaphilippe (Fra) 11/2
Michal Kwiatkoski 12
Vincenzo Nibali 12
Simon Yates 14
Michal Kwiatkowski 16
Primoz Roglic 16
Wout Poels 16
Mikel Landa 25
Rigoberto Uran 25
Sergio Luis Henao 28
Miguel Angel Lopez 28
Adam Yates 33
Daniel Martin 33
Peter Sagan 33
Romain Bardet 33
Thibaut Pinot 33
Wilco Kelderman 33
Geraint Thomas 28
Jakob Fuglsang 40
Tom Dumoulin 40
Tony Gallopin 40
Nairo Quintana 40
Bob Jungels 40
Chris Froome 50
Rafal Majka 50
Richie Porte 50
Michael Woods 50
Bauke Mollema 50
Greg Van Avermaet 50
Rui Costa 50
Dylan Teuns 50
Matej Mohoric 66
Tim Wellens 66
Ion Izagirre 66
Patrick Konrad 66
Steven Kruijswijk 66
Domenico Pozzovivo 80
Jon Izaguiire 80
Michael Valgren Andersen 80
Egan Bernal 100
Giovanni Visconti 100
Ilnur Zakarin 100
Warren Barguil 100
Enric Mas Nicolau 100
Diego Ulissi 125
Enrico Gasparotto 125
Fabio Aru 125
Pierre Latour 125
Roman Kreuziger 125
Gianni Moscon 125
Tiesj Benoot 125
George Bennett 125
Jelle Vanendert 150
Maximilian Schachmann 150
Omar Fraile 150
Michael Albasini 150
Alexey Lutsenko 200
Davide Formolo 200
Sam Oomen 200
Alessandro De Marchi 200
Diego Rosa 200
Jack Haig 200
Antwan Tolhoek 300
Ben King 300
Damiano Caruso 300
David de la Cruz 300
Emanuel Buchmann 300
Fabio Felline 300
Gorka Izagirre 300
Gregor Muhlberger 300
Lilian Calmejane 300
Pello Bilbao 300
Sam Bennett 300
Anthony Roux 300
Sergey Chernetskiy 300
Valerio Conti 350
Amaro Manuel Antunes 400
Carlos Betancur 400
Daniel Martinez 400
Daryl Impey 400
Davide Villella 400
Georg Preidler 400
Gianluca Brambilla 400
Guillaume Martin 400
Hugh Carthy 400
Joni Brandao 400
Jose Goncalves 400
Laurens De Plus 400
Marc Soler 400
Mark Padun 400
Mikel Nieve 400
Nicolas Roche 400
Pierre Rolland 400
Rudy Molard 400
Serge Pauwels 400
Simon Clarke 400
Simon Geschke 400
Soren Kragh Andersen 400
Tanel Kangert 400
Tom Jelte Slagter 400
Hermann Pernsteiner 400
Jesus Herrada 400
Robert Gesink 400
Alberto Bettiol 500
Andrey Amador 500
Ben Hermans 500
Bjorg Lambrecht 500
Dries Devenyns 500
Edvald Boasson Hagen 500
Felix Grossschartner 500
Giulio Ciccone 500
Jan Bakelants 500
Kanstantin Siutsou 500
Kenny Elissonde 500
Louis Meintjes 500
Merhawi Kudus 500
Patrick Bevin 500
Pavel Sivakov 500
Rohan Dennis 500
Sebastien Reichenbach 500
Sepp Kuss 500
Stefan Denifl 500
Tejay Van Garderen 500
Toms Skujins 500
Riccardo Zoidl 500
Jesper Hansen 600
Nelson Oliveira 600
Rein Taaramae 600
Robert Power 600
Tony Martin 600

A good few to ignore like Froome (not riding), Thomas (not riding), Dan Martin (expecting twins) who for their various reasons are unlikely to hit the race in their best form, if at all, which the odds do not accurately reflect.

neris

Ronan Dennis for the TT after that performance today. Nibali for main event

Inquitus

neris wrote: »

Ronan Dennis for the TT after that performance today. Nibali for main event

Dennis for the TT. Valverde, Nibali, Yates, Allaphilippe, Poels for the main race.

dastardly00

I like the idea of the new climb being added on the last lap!

Froome and Thomas aren't racing and Landa I'm not sure about.

A man I thought looked great in canada at the weekend and is in recent good form is Matej Mohoric , not sure if it's a course for him though or if he'd be riding for Roglic?

ford2600

This is going to go down like a lead balloon but fcuk it.

There is a whole forum for gambling/betting.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=684

This is a cycling forum with a strong emphasis on sports cycling in its many forms.

We seem to have lost the skill over the last 20 years in particular to discuss sports on their merits and merits alone without a reference to what the bookies think. Fcuk the bookies. There was a time it was just horses, greyhounds and the pick of the bunch road bowling but now every sport is distilled down to what the price is.


Any chance we go keep this cancer away from this sport in this little corner of the internet

at1withmyself

Well I think it's great to have the odds on these threads as I find it interesting so hopefully it stays.

Calling it a cancer is a it OTT 🙄

ford2600 wrote: »

This is going to go down like a lead balloon but fcuk it.

There is a whole forum for gambling/betting.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=684

This is a cycling forum with a strong emphasis on sports cycling in its many forms.

We seem to have lost the skill over the last 20 years in particular to discuss sports on their merits and merits alone without a reference to what the bookies think. Fcuk the bookies. There was a time it was just horses, greyhounds and the pick of the bunch road bowling but now every sport is distilled down to what the price is.


Any chance we go keep this cancer away from this sport in this little corner of the internet

CramCycle

MOD VOICE: While I don't gamble myself, they are used by some as an indicator for likely winners so have relevance. i have changed the thread into a general discussion on the worlds. This may include betting but is open up to any related aspect. As always, spoiler rules apply on the day if televised.

Inquitus

ford2600 wrote: »

Snip

I don't gamble but I find bookies odds an excellent indicator of the likelyhood of future events. In fact they are probably the best metric available in this regard, its the bookies response to peoples crowdsourced expectations (bets), weighted by their commitment to those expectations (amount they will bet at those odds), in an extremely easy to understand format that can be translated to a % likelyhood of happening in a moment in your head! That's why I include them, and will continue to do so, it is in no way, shape or form meant to encourage betting!

c.p.w.g.w

When is it on? And where can i watch it?

c.p.w.g.w

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

When is it on? And where can i watch it?

23-30 Sept Euro Sport will cover it all and likely BBC will show some. Mens road race on the 30th but if it's anything like last year every race is going to be worth a look.

greenspurs

Valverde !!!
A 38 year old..... What a freak of nature to be in contention for the Vuelta, and amongst the top faves for the Worlds!
Just like a good wine......

I think Alaphillipe will do it. Maybe Dumoulin as an outsider ...

Weepsie

greenspurs wrote: »

Just like a good wine......

...

What sort of additives do good wines get early on in the process?

greenspurs

Weepsie wrote: »

What sort of additives do good wines get early on in the process?

Careful now.....
I got a "Carta Bui" elsewhere :rolleyes:

MPFGLB

Roglic or Woods couldwin if they had a better team

As is could be Spain or Italy

ford2600

Inquitus wrote: »

I don't gamble but I find bookies odds an excellent indicator of the likelyhood of future events. In fact they are probably the best metric available in this regard, its the bookies response to peoples crowdsourced expectations (bets), weighted by their commitment to those expectations (amount they will bet at those odds), in an extremely easy to understand format that can be translated to a % likelyhood of happening in a moment in your head! That's why I include them, and will continue to do so, it is in no way, shape or form meant to encourage betting!

I don't gamble either, but that's irrelevant like whether you do or not.

In the last 20 years or so, with popularity of National Lotteries and online gambling, issues from gambling have mushroomed.

Ireland per head of population is the worst in Euro with an estimated 40,000 problem gamblers. Each of those individuals problems has a huge impact on immediate friends and family and wider society.

One of the primary goals of the industry was the normalisation of gambling; such that betting on first to score, first goal, RR world champion is normal acceptable and harmless. In many areas of media they have been hugely successful; it's now really hard to avoid when Cheltenham, Galway races etc etc is on. A radio discussion on gaa/soccer/rugby will more often than not refer to the price. At 43 I can remember a time when that was not the case.

You posting, of industry derived data, is doing their job for them. It is detrimental to image of sport, and what sport should stand for.

As a simple example of the damage I've seen an proud farming elderly couple deny their own surname, such was the harm their son's gambling brought to their door. The examples are almost countless though.

There was a time when I played a lot of poker; primarily in casinos and kept a book and made money from it. It's not hard to do with discipline; but the primary ingredient needed is an eye for human weaknesses and the ruthlessness to exploit it. On a global scale that is exactly what the gambling industry does at a huge human cost.

The association of gambling with cycling is assisting the industry; whether its your intent or not is irrelevant.

at1withmyself

Look why not start a separate thread on your issues with gambling and leave us to enjoy a thread on the world's without contaminating it?

ford2600 wrote: »

I don't gamble either, but that's irrelevant like whether you do or not.

In the last 20 years or so, with popularity of National Lotteries and online gambling, issues from gambling have mushroomed.

Ireland per head of population is the worst in Euro with an estimated 40,000 problem gamblers. Each of those individuals problems has a huge impact on immediate friends and family and wider society.

One of the primary goals of the industry was the normalisation of gambling; such that betting on first to score, first goal, RR world champion is normal acceptable and harmless. In many areas of media they have been hugely successful; it's now really hard to avoid when Cheltenham, Galway races etc etc is on. A radio discussion on gaa/soccer/rugby will more often than not refer to the price. At 43 I can remember a time when that was not the case.

You posting, of industry derived data, is doing their job for them. It is detrimental to image of sport, and what sport should stand for.

As a simple example of the damage I've seen an proud farming elderly couple deny their own surname, such was the harm their son's gambling brought to their door. The examples are almost countless though.

There was a time when I played a lot of poker; primarily in casinos and kept a book and made money from it. It's not hard to do with discipline; but the primary ingredient needed is an eye for human weaknesses and the ruthlessness to exploit it. On a global scale that is exactly what the gambling industry does at a huge human cost.

The association of gambling with cycling is assisting the industry; whether its your intent or not is irrelevant.

dastardly00

FULL SCHEDULE

Sunday, September 23

UCI Women's Team Time Trial
Otztal - Innsbruck
10:10 - 12:05

UCI Men's Team Time Trial
Otztal - Innsbruck
14:40 - 17:05

Monday September 24

Women Juniors Individual Time Trial
Wattens - Innsbruck
10:10 - 11:55
Men Under 23 Individual Time Trial
Wattens - Innsbruck
14:40 - 16:50
Tuesday September 25

Men Juniors Individual Time Trial
Wattens - Innsbruck
10:10 - 12:40
Women Elite Individual Time Trial
Wattens - Innsbruck
14:40 - 16:50

Wednesday September 26

Men Elite Individual Time Trial
Rattenberg - Innsbruck
14:10 - 17:10

Thursday September 27

Women Juniors Road Race
Rattenberg - Innsbruck
09:10 - 11:15
Men Juniors Road Race
Kufstein - Innsbruck
14:40 - 18:15
Friday September 28

Men Under 23 Road Race
Kufstein - Innsbruck
12:10 - 16:50
Saturday September 29

Women Elite Road Race
Kufstein - Innsbruck
12:00 - 17:00

Sunday September 30

Men Elite Road Race
Kufstein - Innsbruck
09:40 - 16:40

Taxuser1

150/1 Ford opens a Paddy Power account, puts a tenner on Simon Yates

Bambaata

greenspurs wrote: »

Valverde !!!
A 38 year old..... What a freak of nature to be in contention for the Vuelta, and amongst the top faves for the Worlds!
Just like a good wine......

I think Alaphillipe will do it. Maybe Dumoulin as an outsider ...

Really hope Valverde doesn't do it, his 'freak of nature' has a background. Should be a fairly caiotic finish anyway with the laps of the hills! Looking forward to seeing how Dunbar goes too, seems to be in good form

Taxuser1

Bambaata wrote: »

Really hope Valverde doesn't do it, his 'freak of nature' has a background. Should be a fairly caiotic finish anyway with the laps of the hills! Looking forward to seeing how Dunbar goes too, seems to be in good form

As well as he's going he may well be undone by the tactics of the French Colombian and Italian espoirs. Could be a cracker. The Swiss lad who won 2 stages in LAvenir is still in form, finished with Dunbar last week. The Slovenian lad who won LAvenir overall won another 2.2 ranked event 2 weeks later. He's only 19

TheBlaaMan

I havent been able to find a list of Irish riders going to Innsbruck for the Championships. I presume the team has been confirmed, is there a list published?

dahat

I like the way Nibali went in the latter stages of Vuelta, looks like he is coming to form at the right time for me.

TheBlaaMan

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

I havent been able to find a list of Irish riders going to Innsbruck for the Championships. I presume the team has been confirmed, is there a list published?

I saw on cycling fevers startlist and a couple of others it was Dunne, Martin, Roche and Mullen for the elite men's race.

Finnrocco

Robert Power 600/1 - any odds for Casso or Bernie McCormack?

greenspurs

Finnrocco wrote: »

Robert Power 600/1 - any odds for Casso or Bernie McCormack?

You are a couple of decades off ......

ford2600

Finnrocco wrote: »

Robert Power 600/1 -

He was going well on the back roads of Kerry and Cork last week might not be a bad move

dastardly00

dahat wrote: »

I like the way Nibali went in the latter stages of Vuelta, looks like he is coming to form at the right time for me.

I would have liked him to be in a bit better form... he still seemed to be dropped easily enough when the going got tough in the Vuelta. Unless he was sandbagging. Time will tell in Innsbruck I suppose!

Taxuser1

dastardly00 wrote: »

I would have liked him to be in a bit better form... he still seemed to be dropped easily enough when the going got tough in the Vuelta. Unless he was sandbagging. Time will tell in Innsbruck I suppose!

team manager also wrote off his chances saying he's off the level required.

dastardly00

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

I havent been able to find a list of Irish riders going to Innsbruck for the Championships. I presume the team has been confirmed, is there a list published?

Took me a while to actually find this...
http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/team-announcement-world-road-championships/20154

Junior Women
Lara Gillespie (TT and Road Race)
Maeve Gallagher

Junior Men
Ben Healy (TT and Road Race)
Aaron Doherty (TT and Road Race)
Breandán Flannagan
Archie Ryan
Adam Ward (Reserve)

U23 Men
Eddie Dunbar
Michael O’Loughlin (TT and Road Race)
Daire Feeley
Matthew Teggart
Darragh O’Mahony
Conn McDunphy (TT only)

Elite Women
Eileen Burns (TT only)
Kelly Murphy (TT only)
Alice Sharpe

Elite Men
Dan Martin
Nicolas Roche (TT and Road Race)
Ryan Mullen (TT and Road Race)
Conor Dunne

Inquitus

dastardly00 wrote: »

Took me a while to actually find this...
http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/team-announcement-world-road-championships/20154

Junior Women
Lara Gillespie (TT and Road Race)
Maeve Gallagher

Junior Men
Ben Healy (TT and Road Race)
Aaron Doherty (TT and Road Race)
Breandán Flannagan
Archie Ryan
Adam Ward (Reserve)

U23 Men
Eddie Dunbar (TT and Road Race)
Michael O’Loughlin (TT and Road Race)
Daire Feeley
Matthew Teggart
Darragh O’Mahony
Conn McDunphy (Reserve)

Elite Women
Eileen Burns (TT only)
Kelly Murphy (TT only)
Alice Sharpe

Elite Men
Dan Martin
Nicolas Roche (TT and Road Race)
Ryan Mullen (TT and Road Race)
Conor Dunne

We qualified 6 for the Mens RR, shame we haven't even taken our full allotment!