The Frederick St protest and reaction

Dravokivich · 13-09-2018 3:49pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What ever way you look at it its embarrassing for the Garda and new commissioner,
Obviously they knew this was going to take place as they where there to support ,So surely they knew that it would generate public interest by the amount of people involved on the scene , the way they where dressed and the time of day ,
So how in gods name did they let a Van with English reg's and no tax be involved, Its very unprofessional of them ,

bubblypop wrote: »

What is the law in this country that covers foreign registered vehicles being used here?
Do you know?

Why does anybody care about a fúcking van? It doesn't matter what anyone turned up in.

Edgware · 13-09-2018 3:49pm

Roll on the next eviction. It's great fun.
Maybe they could sell tickets

yourdeadwright · 13-09-2018 3:52pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What ever way you look at it its embarrassing for the Garda and new commissioner,
Obviously they knew this was going to take place as they where there to support ,So surely they knew that it would generate public interest by the amount of people involved on the scene , the way they where dressed and the time of day ,
So how in gods name did they let a Van with English reg's and no tax be involved, Its very unprofessional of them ,

bubblypop wrote: »

What is the law in this country that covers foreign registered vehicles being used here?
Do you know?

Why does anybody care about a fúcking van? It doesn't matter what anyone turned up in.

The Garda as suppose do things correctly, To be involved in a situation with and untaxed foreign vehicle is very unprofessional ,Even more so with the links the stories doing the rounds about there new boss being Mi5,
Whatever way you want to put it is very very unprofessional

13-09-2018 3:52pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well to allow an non Taxed one be involved when the Garda there with all the speculation about the new commissioner is very unprofessional , Many many Irish citizen have had cars impounded for such an offence,

Irish citizens driving a foreign registered vehicle, is very different to a non Irish citizen having a foreign registered vehicle here for a short amount of time.

DwightSchrute1 · 13-09-2018 3:54pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well to allow an non Taxed one be involved when the Garda there with all the speculation about the new commissioner is very unprofessional , Many many Irish citizen have had cars impounded for such an offence,

It’s been explained repeatedly on these thread that UK reg vehicles don’t need tax disc displayed. Have you proof this van wasn’t taxed.

Thinking that this incident has something to do with the Commissioner and his previous role with the PSNI would be more suited to the Conspiracy Theories forum than AH.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 3:55pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well to allow an non Taxed one be involved when the Garda there with all the speculation about the new commissioner is very unprofessional , Many many Irish citizen have had cars impounded for such an offence,

were the people in the van irish citizens? if not then your point is irrelevant.

facehugger99 · 13-09-2018 3:55pm

If these Frederick Crusties went out, got jobs and paid a bit of tax into the public coffers rather than wasting State resources with their bullsh;ttery, we'd have a better chance of solving the so called 'housing crisis'.

Bunch of wasters the lot of them.

weldoninhio · 13-09-2018 3:56pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Irish citizens driving a foreign registered vehicle, is very different to a non Irish citizen having a foreign registered vehicle here for a short amount of time.

That's not forgetting that AGS have already clarified that the van was taxed and insured. Crusties seem to be just ignoring that.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 3:56pm

DwightSchrute1 wrote: »

It’s been explained repeatedly on these thread that UK reg vehicles don’t need tax disc displayed. Have you proof this van wasn’t taxed.

Thinking that this incident has something to do with the Commissioner and his previous role with the PSNI would be more suited to the Conspiracy Theories forum than AH.

I think even they might balk a bit at that.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-09-2018 3:58pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

seems as though a lot of people on here would have a major bone to pick with the Garda Commissioner, who has said that wearing balaclavas in this instance was 'not correct'.

https://www.newstalk.com/Garda-Commissioner-admits-use-of-balaclavas-at-Dublin-housing-protest-was-not-correct

Awkward. All the cop fetishists and landlord boot-lickers who defended the use of balaclavas will now have to find a way of agreeing with Drew Harris OBE that the Gardai shouldn't have worn balaclavas, whilst somehow insisting that their previous incorrect assertions were equally correct. Nightmare.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:01pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Awkward. All the cop fetishists and landlord boot-lickers who defended the use of balaclavas will now have to find a way of agreeing with Drew Harris OBE that the Gardai shouldn't have worn balaclavas, whilst somehow insisting that their previous incorrect assertions were equally correct. Nightmare.

His issue is that they were not wearing helmets with the balaclavas, not with the wearing of balaclavas. Of course if they had worn helmets as well you would be giving out about that as well. Given some of the rabid dogs these protests attract i cant blame them for wearing balaclavas.

riffmongous · 13-09-2018 4:01pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Awkward. All the cop fetishists and landlord boot-lickers who defended the use of balaclavas will now have to find a way of agreeing with Drew Harris OBE that the Gardai shouldn't have worn balaclavas, whilst somehow insisting that their previous incorrect assertions were equally correct. Nightmare.

Even Leo said he didn't like to see masked security, but sure what would a crusty like him know, he should go out and get a real job

weldoninhio · 13-09-2018 4:01pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Awkward. All the cop fetishists and landlord boot-lickers who defended the use of balaclavas will now have to find a way of agreeing with Drew Harris OBE that the Gardai shouldn't have worn balaclavas, whilst somehow insisting that their previous incorrect assertions were equally correct. Nightmare.

He never said that, he said that if they were wearing them, they should have been wearing their helmets too.

"if it deemed necessary to use the hood then it should be used in tandem with a protective helmet."

13-09-2018 4:01pm

blackwhite wrote: »

Trying to extrapolate that into some blood-lust fetish says a hell of a lot more about you than anything else. But I guess it's easier for you to make stuff ...

I'm not making it up.

There is no shortage of odd characters on this thread who seem to have a hard-on for policemen wielding truncheons.

Mongfinder General wrote: »

They need to smash fcuk out of any junkie/scumbag/burglar/pikey type who steps out of line.
Long overdue.

cursai wrote: »

I hope the poor Gardai on duty are wearing gloves when they scrape their heads off the pavement.

Edgware wrote: »

Well you can't blame People getting aroused at the thought of a truncheon bouncing off Rich Boy Barrett head.

Deleted User wrote: »

oh for a govt that would baton these jobless wonders off the road

Dravokivich · 13-09-2018 4:02pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Awkward. All the cop fetishists and landlord boot-lickers who defended the use of balaclavas will now have to find a way of agreeing with Drew Harris OBE that the Gardai shouldn't have worn balaclavas, whilst somehow insisting that their previous incorrect assertions were equally correct. Nightmare.

The article never says that. It says they shouldn't have worn it without a helmet.

"However, the form of dress used at the event was not correct as it is policy that if it deemed necessary to use the hood then it should be used in tandem with a protective helmet. A directive has issued today from Deputy Commissioner, Policing & Security, to re-enforce this requirement to all personnel."

blackwhite · 13-09-2018 4:08pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm not making it up.

There is no shortage of odd characters on this thread who seem to have a hard-on for policemen wielding truncheons.

You quite deliberately descended to the personal slur to imply I was someone calling for violence - and don't even have the decency to apologise for it. Not sure why I was expecting any common decency TBH - giving you've spend the better part of 2 days on this thread defending people who assault and racially abuse gardaí.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-09-2018 4:09pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

His issue is that they were not wearing helmets with the balaclavas, not with the wearing of balaclavas. Of course if they had worn helmets as well you would be giving out about that as well. Given some of the rabid dogs these protests attract i cant blame them for wearing balaclavas.

weldoninhio wrote: »

He never said that, he said that if they were wearing them, they should have been wearing their helmets too.

"if it deemed necessary to use the hood then it should be used in tandem with a protective helmet."

Dravokivich wrote: »

The article never says that. It says they shouldn't have worn it without a helmet.

Jesus, what is this? The Garda press office?

I bet you all cried when The Bill was axed.

blackwhite · 13-09-2018 4:09pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Jesus, what is this? The Garda press office?

I bet you all cried when The Bill was axed.

If that the best response you can come up with when called out for posting lies I guess it'll have to do :pac:

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:11pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Jesus, what is this? The Garda press office?

I bet you all cried when The Bill was axed.

You misquoted what was said and were corrected. Live with it. And the Bill was never the same after Reg Hollis left.

Dravokivich · 13-09-2018 4:12pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Jesus, what is this? The Garda press office?

I bet you all cried when The Bill was axed.

Was more into Ballykissangel myself.

blanch152 · 13-09-2018 4:12pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm not making it up.

There is no shortage of odd characters on this thread who seem to have a hard-on for policemen wielding truncheons.

Seems there is also no shortage of odd characters on this thread who seem to have a hard-on for physical and verbal abuse including racial abuse.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0913/993548-north-frederick-street/

I suppose a non-Caucasian garda is fair game for de lads in de protest.

"Drew Harris said in a statement this afternoon that the officers showed restraint in the face of physical and verbal abuse from a small minority and condemned what he described as the racist abuse suffered by one garda working at the event."

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-09-2018 4:16pm

blackwhite wrote: »

If that the best response you can come up with when called out for posting lies I guess it'll have to do :pac:

"if it [is] deemed necessary to use the hood then it should be used in tandem with a protective helmet."

If procedure dictates the wearing of a balaclava only under a helmet (which makes sense because without the helmet, which has a visor that covers the eyes, the fire-protective balaclava is largely useless), were your heroes not breaking the rules?

Gimme A Pound · 13-09-2018 4:16pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You misquoted what was said and were corrected. Live with it.

Reminds me of a middle-class teenager pretending to be "ghetto" and spray painting "fuk da law" on a wall.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:18pm

Bethany Long Pensioner wrote: »

Reminds me of a middle-class teenager pretending to be "ghetto" and spray painting "fuk da law" on a wall.

In my day it was A.C.A.B. I dont think i've seen that in years.

riffmongous · 13-09-2018 4:19pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

"if it [is] deemed necessary to use the hood then it should be used in tandem with a protective helmet."

If procedure dictates the wearing of a balaclava only under a helmet (which makes sense because without the helmet, which has a visor that covers the eyes, the fire-protective balaclava is largely useless), were your heroes not breaking the rules?

Was just thinking this myself, the point of the 'fire retardant hood' is not to obscure identity but for personal protection, which was not deemed necessary in this case since they didn't done the helmets

Will I Am Not · 13-09-2018 4:21pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Jesus, what is this? The Garda press office?

I bet you all cried when The Bill was axed.

Embarrassing

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-09-2018 4:26pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Was just thinking this myself, the point of the 'fire retardant hood' is not to obscure identity but for personal protection, which was not deemed necessary in this case since they didn't done the helmets

If they were genuinely concerned that a peaceful protester might lob a petrol bomb at them, you'd think they might have considered protecting their eyes.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:29pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

If they were genuinely concerned that a peaceful protester might lob a petrol bomb at them, you'd think they might have considered protecting their eyes.

they were probably more concerned that the delightful people who were physically and verbally abusing (and racially abusing one of them) would make them a target for further abuse down the line. and i cant say i blame them.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-09-2018 4:31pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they were probably more concerned that the delightful people who were physically and verbally abusing (and racially abusing one of them) would make them a target for further abuse down the line. and i cant say i blame them.

That's not what their fire-resistant clothing is for. I thought you guys cared about The Rules.

13-09-2018 4:31pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they were probably more concerned that the delightful people who were physically and verbally abusing (and racially abusing one of them) would make them a target for further abuse down the line. and i cant say i blame them.

What was the racist abuse?

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:34pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What was the racist abuse?

No idea what was said. It was mentioned in the article that has been quoted over the last page or two.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:35pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

That's not what their fire-resistant clothing is for. I thought you guys cared about The Rules.

As should everyone. they should have put their helmets on as well. Really give you something to moan about.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-09-2018 4:39pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

As should everyone. they should have put their helmets on as well. Really give you something to moan about.

Had they arrived wearing helmets, I'm sure we can all agree that they would have been overdressed for the occasion, but at least there would have been some logic to it.

13-09-2018 4:40pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No idea what was said. It was mentioned in the article that has been quoted over the last page or two.

If a protestor claimed on this occasion that a Garda had racially abused them, would you believe it and repeat it as fact?

13-09-2018 4:40pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well to allow an non Taxed one be involved when the Garda there with all the speculation about the new commissioner is very unprofessional , Many many Irish citizen have had cars impounded for such an offence,

Tax disks were abolished in Uk in 2014. Insurance disks were never used.

yourdeadwright · 13-09-2018 4:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well to allow an non Taxed one be involved when the Garda there with all the speculation about the new commissioner is very unprofessional , Many many Irish citizen have had cars impounded for such an offence,

Tax disks were abolished in Uk in 2014. Insurance disks were never used.

So whats your point ?
The vehicle was not Tax'd , a quick check on line anyone can do will give you the answer , Takes about 30 seconds depending on your coverage

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:45pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If a protestor claimed on this occasion that a Garda had racially abused them, would you believe it and repeat it as fact?

so your immediate reaction is to dismiss the claim of racial abuse?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-09-2018 4:45pm

These types are very active on social media. Of course the guards had to protect their identity.

Would anyone here want to have their families targeted by this mob?

Odhinn · 13-09-2018 4:46pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Ridiculous exaggeration.

It's an accurate description of events.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:46pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Had they arrived wearing helmets, I'm sure we can all agree that they would have been overdressed for the occasion, but at least there would have been some logic to it.

I cant.

Ha Long Bay · 13-09-2018 4:46pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So whats your point ?
The vehicle was not Tax'd , a quick check on line anyone can do will give you the answer , Takes about 30 seconds depending on your coverage

Who cares if it was taxed or what the thread depth of the tyres are, it has nothing to do with this conversation and adding nothing constructive to it.

13-09-2018 4:48pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so your immediate reaction is to dismiss the claim of racial abuse?

Absolutely not.

I'm skeptical about the claims made by the protestors, and cognisant of the fact that these were very left wing activists, I'm equally skeptical of certain claims made by Gardaí; it's rarely a good idea to swallow whole anything that is told to you.

How about you? I guess you would have believed the protestors if they had said this? No question?

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-09-2018 4:48pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I cant.

You think they were under-dressed then, and should have been properly equipped to deal with getting a petrol bomb to the face?

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:50pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You think they were under-dressed then, and should have been properly equipped to deal with getting a petrol bomb to the face?

well no. that is not what i think. I think they were correct to wear balaclavas and if regulations say they need to wear helmets with them then they should have worn helmets.

13-09-2018 4:50pm

john4321 wrote: »

Who cares if it was taxed or what the thread depth of the tyres are, it has nothing to do with this conversation and adding nothing constructive to it.

Except that the issues mentioned above are criminal matters, to be enforced by Gardaí, and an eviction is (what's that phrase the Civil Authority is so famous for ..?) "a civil matter".

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 4:51pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Except that the issues mentioned above are criminal matters, to be enforced by Gardaí, and an eviction is (what's that phrase the civil authority are so famous for ..?) "a civil matter".

the gardai were there to prevent public disorder which is a criminal matter.

Ha Long Bay · 13-09-2018 4:57pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Except that the issues mentioned above are criminal matters, to be enforced by Gardaí, and an eviction is (what's that phrase the Civil Authority is so famous for ..?) "a civil matter".

What did the Guards say when you reported it? No point bringing it up here.

ohnonotgmail · 13-09-2018 5:01pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Absolutely not.

I'm skeptical about the claims made by the protestors, and cognisant of the fact that these were very left wing activists, I'm equally skeptical of certain claims made by Gardaí; it's rarely a good idea to swallow whole anything that is told to you.

How about you? I guess you would have believed the protestors if they had said this? No question?

I repeated the claim in the article, nothing more. If you have an issue with the claim i'm not really the person to validate it. I know no more about it than you do. As to whether i believe the claim i have no reason not to. It is not one that he is likely to make lightly.

homerjay2005 · 13-09-2018 5:02pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No idea what was said. It was mentioned in the article that has been quoted over the last page or two.

its in the official garda statement released about the incident.

gardai also physically assaulted by a small number of people present (not the occupiers, but hangers on).

yourdeadwright · 13-09-2018 5:06pm

john4321 wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So whats your point ?
The vehicle was not Tax'd , a quick check on line anyone can do will give you the answer , Takes about 30 seconds depending on your coverage

Who cares if it was taxed or what the thread depth of the tyres are, it has nothing to do with this conversation and adding nothing constructive to it.

Obviously the person who asked the question cares,
So in you own word, Your comment has nothing to do with the conversation and adding nothing constructive to it,

The Frederick St protest and reaction

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