The Frederick St protest and reaction

uptherebels

end of the road wrote: »

i already told you we haven't a clue who they are because they weren't carying identification. so hhow do you expect me to know what the hell they are, given that is what i and others here are actually trying to find out? also, what's unreasonable about making the assumption given that factor, and the fact that private security have been involved in evictions, that these masked men may themselves are private security. as i asked earlier, if one of these men had for example asalted one of the protesters, then how could any prosecution be brought against them, given they had nothing to identify what they are?
companies shouldn't be used in this capacity anyway. it should be a state agency, but that's for another thread.

like has been said to you before , it is ok to say you don't have any sources to support your claims.

Again as this wasn't an eviction, why does it matter if private security are present at them in other places?

There is no point in making loads of assumptions just to try and add credence to your argument/agenda.

Mongfinder General

stateofflux wrote: »

From a PR point of view...using masked Gardai was a stupid decision by the govt.

this will come back to haunt them big time and plays right into the hands of the protesters.

You’re right. It will because the Commisioner indicated today that the Gardai erred in their approach. That’s a big mistake. Backing down from the likes of Coppinger and Murphy will only embolden them. If this lot get their way we are ****ed. They are not reasonable people. While they’re telling us that they want citizens housed they have no cogent, realistic plan to make this happen. They would rather drag hard working people out of prosperity so that we can all have the share the same ****e existence

uptherebels

stateofflux wrote: »

Without a doubt a call would have been made on how to deal with this given the PR sensitivity of the protests in relation to the governments housing strategy

so your saying that the government did tell them to wear hoods?

Galwayguy35

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I wonder what would happen if a Garda turned up for their shift and refused to leave the station without a balaclava, because there are people with butterfly knives (and far worse) out there.

They probably didn't want some lowlife recording them on a smartphone and posting the footage on social media.

These publicity stunts always attract the dregs of society who mix with ordinary protesters and who are looking to provoke the Guards.

We've seen it all before with the water protests.

blanch152

stateofflux wrote: »

From a PR point of view...using masked Gardai was a stupid decision by the govt.

this will come back to haunt them big time and plays right into the hands of the protesters.

The government?

What role did they play in the operational decision made on the ground by the commanding officer to use protective equipment?

Seriously, are they to blame for my daughter tripping on the street this afternoon?

Wheeliebin30

blanch152 wrote: »

The government?

What role did they play in the operational decision made on the ground by the commanding officer to use protective equipment?

Seriously, are they to blame for my daughter tripping on the street this afternoon?

Leo told them to do it along with Denis o brien and da bankers.

Oh and the developers.

Gatling

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I wonder what would happen if a Garda turned up for their shift and refused to leave the station without a balaclava, because there are people with butterfly knives

That's why they wear stab vests

Yer Da sells Avon

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They probably didn't want some lowlife recording them on a smartphone and posting the footage on social media.

They can be recorded any time when they're making an arrest. By this logic, normal Gardai (as opposed to the Public Order Unit) should be allowed to mask their faces too.

Galwayguy35

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

They can be recorded any time when they're making an arrest. By this logic, normal Gardai (as opposed to the Public Order Unit) should be allowed to mask their faces too.

They can, but as I said some people intentionally go to these protests to record Gardai who are just standing there keeping an eye on things and they try to provoke them.

Wheeliebin30

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They can, but as I said some people intentionally go to these protests to record Gardai who are just standing there keeping an eye on things and they try to provoke them.

And single them out in social media along with their families while they sit at home contributing **** all to society.

Seriously I can’t believe their nonsense is national news and radio shows talking about it.

No other country would this be tolerated.

They broke the law, deal with them accordingly and move on.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

arrested, yes. the shít kicked out of you, not tough titties as it's asalt.

Who had the sh*t kicked out of them? I’m sure that if any of the protesters had, that the videos would have been up on social media within minutes.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Who had the sh*t kicked out of them? I’m sure that if any of the protesters had, that the videos would have been up on social media within minutes.

Ironically, one of the protesters, who had just spent their time wasting Garda time and money, turned up at A&E with a minor cut to their hand, which could have been treated at home (let alone by a pharmacy or GP) and complained on social media about the waiting times in A&E.

Apart from the biggest problem in A&E being the idiots who turn up with minor injuries treatable at home, the second biggest problem is the lack of money because there are other pressures on public services such as policing idiotic protests.

Wheeliebin30

Today alone in the news I seen 3 proposed housing developments rejected by Dublin city council.

In the midst of a housing crisis.

But it’s Eoghan Murphys fault.

Sal Butamol

Miriam on about it now with that nut Ruth Coppinger.

Has Miriam had work done on her mug? She looks weird

cursai

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I get emails from uplift.ie because i have supported a couple of their campaigns. They've just sent me one on the topic at hand. it starts off with

The [1] footnote leads to two articles in the irish times. Neither article mentions the gardai allowing the men in balaclavas to assault peaceful protestors. It is the last time uplift.ie get any support from me.

Aye. But theyll still have plenty of idiots left to support them. It's like Saurons army only with idiots.

homerjay2005

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Today alone in the news I seen 3 proposed housing developments rejected by Dublin city council.

In the midst of a housing crisis.

But it’s Eoghan Murphys fault.

over 1000 objections went in last year stopping the development of around 1100 homes in south Dublin. this is happening all over the City. the social/modular houses in North Dublin were objected to. Already was reference to 500 houses stopped in Raheny.

Thats 3 recent examples where the development of ~1600 houses was stopped by the public. Alot of people are whinging, yet when it comes to solutions, nobody wants to do anything about it and actually stop progress.

Galwayguy35

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Miriam on about it now with that nut Ruth Coppinger.

Has Miriam had work done on her mug? She looks weird

Typical soft interview, no hard questions asked of Coppinger.

She was on The Tonight Show last night and got her ass handed to her by Niall Boylan, he might be hard to listen to sometimes but he he's spot on on this topic.

Iodine1

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Miriam on about it now with that nut Ruth Coppinger.

Has Miriam had work done on her mug? She looks weird

Coppinger as usual avoiding any questions that don't suit her, or her self promoting agenda.

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Today alone in the news I seen 3 proposed housing developments rejected by Dublin city council.

In the midst of a housing crisis.

But it’s Eoghan Murphys fault.

Its ok though. Today I think I saw a site being cleared in Kilcock.

Shur Kilcock is ideal if your working in the city. :mad::mad::mad:

Wheeliebin30

Iodine1 wrote: »

Coppinger as usual avoiding any questions that don't suit her, or her self promoting agenda.

Oh how I wish people in dun laoire don’t vote her back in and she vanishes.

Offers absolutely nothing.

AGC

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Iodine1 wrote: »

Coppinger as usual avoiding any questions that don't suit her, or her self promoting agenda.

Oh how I wish people in dun laoire don’t vote her back in and she vanishes.

Offers absolutely nothing.

I wish she was in that constituency and not have her calling at my door in Dublin West

Wheeliebin30

AGC wrote: »

I wish she was in that constituency and not have her calling at my door in Dublin West

My bad

blackwhite

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Oh how I wish people in dun laoire don’t vote her back in and she vanishes.

Offers absolutely nothing.

Coppinger is based in Blanchardstown. Dub Laoghaire has the privilege of Richard Boyd Barrett and his own merry band of morons.

To be fair though, I don’t want Coppinger booted out of the Dail. If she does then she returns to teaching, and I wouldn’t inflict that level of luncacy on any child

kildare lad

While i do agree something has to be done about the housing crisis, i dont think they should be taking over peoples properties, if you had a holiday home in wexford that was vacant for a few months of the year would you be happy if people broke in and occupied it. They're trying to make out that landlords are evil and heartless, like in the old days with evictions from the british landlords etc, which is all crap. i think that buildings need to be built higher nearer the city, its ridiculous that they cant build nice big apartment blocks that they have in other cities. They need to a major overhaul of the social welfare system, its seem that people think theyre entitled to a house or an apartment just because they have a baby. They also need to start deporting layabouts, criminals and anyone else who comes into this country and is a burden on the taxpayer.

20Cent

What if you go out to get milk and come home to find a million crusties have moved in. Then while taking your wife to hospital to give birth there's more of them blocking the road and she has to give birth in the car but now you are afraid to leave the car because crusties will move into it and you have to live in the car but the placenta is starting to rot and you can only eat food at drive throughs. What then !!!!!!!!

Edgware

20Cent wrote: »

What if you go out to get milk and come home to find a million crusties have moved in. Then while taking your wife to hospital to give birth there's more of them blocking the road and she has to give birth in the car but now you are afraid to leave the car because crusties will move into it and you have to live in the car but the placenta is starting to rot and you can only eat food at drive throughs. What then !!!!!!!!

They can go down and occupy themagdalen Laundry in Sean Mcdermott St now the council won't sell. No hotel. No social housing. Let the people of inner city wallow in memories of misery and neglect instead.

Gatling

Wonder if they will occupy land in a certain park in raheny that was to have 500 homes built on it

Yer Da sells Avon

Gatling wrote: »

Wonder if they will occupy land in a certain park in raheny that was to have 500 homes built on it

They should occupy the houses of fake Socialists like Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, who went on Twitter today to boast about it.

https://twitter.com/AodhanORiordain/status/1040180568334495745

Wheeliebin30

Someone please just tell me when this right 2 housing is been brought in so I can stop paying my mortgage, cheers lads.

No sign of Brendan Ogle in any of this. I'd have thought he'd be front and center here along with Glen Hansard

Wheeliebin30

Next up bord gais.

How dare they make a profit off people been cold in the winter.

They should give us gas for free.

Next up, dunnes stores.

Food is a basic human right, how dare they make profit off hungry people.

Let’s occupy dunnes stores.

Awh I dunno anymore, country has lost its mind or maybe just me.

20Cent

Leo says he'll build 150,000 houses today. Sorted, well done protesters.

Edgware

20Cent wrote: »

Leo says he'll build 150,000 houses today. Sorted, well done protesters.

Only 150000. That shows a complete lack of ambition. Kathleen Cash wants 15 for herself to start with

rosser44

rosser44 wrote: »

The gardai were not concerned with the trust fund crusties inside the house

Yah, just the trust fund that owns it, right?

You guys seem so obsessed with the private schools that a small number of activists attended, whilst defending the elephant in the room ... the huge value of the residential property, a stone's throw from the city's main thoroughfare, which lies idle.

Ye seem full of sympathy for millionaire speculators, but spare no ire for anyone whose parents sent them to a fee-paying school.

rosser44

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yah, just the trust fund that owns it, right?

You guys seem so obsessed with the private schools that a small number of activists attended, whilst defending the elephant in the room ... the huge value of the residential property, a stone's throw from the city's main thoroughfare, which lies idle.

Ye seem full of sympathy for millionaire speculators, but spare no ire for anyone whose parents sent them to a fee-paying school.

Wow, that's a **** load of words to put in my mouth. Maybe you should just write all my posts for me from now on, seeing as you know my innermost thoughts and opinions even better than I do. Gold (or is it red?) star for you!!!

Oh, and that "small number of activists" who will never know what poverty is due to their extremely privileged upbringing, funny how they always end up running the show isn't it?

Esel

The private agents should wear this type of balaclava, so members of the public won't confuse them with Gardaí.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Balaclava_3_hole_black.jpg

Yer Da sells Avon

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Next up bord gais.

How dare they make a profit off people been cold in the winter.

They should give us gas for free.

Next up, dunnes stores.

Food is a basic human right, how dare they make profit off hungry people.

Let’s occupy dunnes stores.

Awh I dunno anymore, country has lost its mind or maybe just me.

If food was in short supply and became hugely expensive, and companies like Dunnes decided to hoard it instead of selling it - thus pushing the prices up even further - would people be justified in protesting against them?

rosser44

rosser44 wrote: »

Wow, that's a **** load of words to put in my mouth.

it isn't all about you, rosser. I was quoting your post and then making a broader point about the fixation, on this thread, with the backgrounds of the activists.

the backgrounds of certain activists has come up on this thread a number of times, and the irony seems lost on most people, given that they're defending the rights of a property-speculator who seems to be a millionaire.

dont see anyone defending millionaires, presumed or otherwise

wouldnt confuse despising rabblerousers who want everything provided from a system they only clog up with defending millionaires though

that would seem to me to be different things

rosser44

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

it isn't all about you, rosser. I was quoting your post and then making a broader point about the fixation, on this thread, with the backgrounds of the activists.

the backgrounds of certain activists has come up on this thread a number of times, and the irony seems lost on most people, given that they're defending the rights of a property-speculator who seems to be a millionaire.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ye seem full of sympathy for millionaire speculators

I haven't shown support for any millionaires, I just detest people who abuse the property of others. Be they rich or poor. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Do you own your own home? Do you have to work every day to pay a mortgage?

rosser44

rosser44 wrote: »

I haven't shown support for any millionaires, I just detest people who abuse the property of others.

I didn;t say you, or anyone, was 'defending a millionaire'. I don't know what that even means.

I said people are defending the property rights of millionaires with idle properties.

Do you own your own home? Do you have to work every day to pay a mortgage?

I do own my own home, right in the centre of the city, and i pay for that.

But if I left it idle, I'd *absolutely* understand the anger at such a waste, in the midst of a housing crisis, where 3,000 children are homeless in this city. What kind of a psychopath wouldn't understand this?

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I didn;t say you, or anyone, was 'defending a millionaire'. I don't know what that even means.

I said people are defending the property rights of millionaires with idle properties.

ffs

I do own my own home, right in the centre of the city, and i pay for that.

But if I left it idle, I'd *absolutely* understand the anger at such a waste, in the midst of a housing crisis, where 3,000 children are homeless in this city. What kind of a psychopath wouldn't understand this?

what rights does this anger bestow to break the law or over the property of others

also lol 3000 children homeless. cmon nobody swallows this stuff

mynamejeff

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I didn;t say you, or anyone, was 'defending a millionaire'. I don't know what that even means.

I said people are defending the property rights of millionaires with idle properties.

I do own my own home, right in the centre of the city, and i pay for that.

But if I left it idle, I'd *absolutely* understand the anger at such a waste, in the midst of a housing crisis, where 3,000 children are homeless in this city. What kind of a psychopath wouldn't understand this?

So how many homeless persons do you currently accommodate your self ?

2 ? 3 ? 10 ?

im sure you have a sofa you could offer right ?

ah look and listen we're all wasting our time here on all sides.

grand night out there. bit fresh.

rosser44

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I didn;t say you, or anyone, was 'defending a millionaire'. I don't know what that even means.

I said people are defending the property rights of millionaires with idle properties.

I do own my own home, right in the centre of the city, and i pay for that.

But if I left it idle, I'd *absolutely* understand the anger at such a waste, in the midst of a housing crisis, where 3,000 children are homeless in this city. What kind of a psychopath wouldn't understand this?

Calling me a psychopath, classy move there.


So you'd understand the anger eh? Enough to give up what you have worked hard for if it was illegally taken from you? ya gimme a break......

Yer Da sells Avon

rosser44 wrote: »

Calling me a psychopath, classy move there.

Can you empathise with people who would be angry at someone deliberately leaving a property vacant in the middle of a city experiencing a huge housing shortage and a homelessness crisis?

Yer Da sells Avon

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Can you empathise with people who would be angry at someone deliberately leaving a property vacant in the middle of a city experiencing a huge housing shortage and a homelessness crisis?

to what extent?

rosser44

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Can you empathise with people who would be angry at someone deliberately leaving a property vacant in the middle of a city experiencing a huge housing shortage and a homelessness crisis?

You can't see the forest for the trees can you? It has to be the rich "fat cats" fault doesn't it?

1600 houses refused planning by city councils due to NIMBYs, but that is not the problem. Jesus I give up.

Yer Da sells Avon

rosser44 wrote: »

You can't see the forest for the trees can you? It has to be the rich "fat cats" fault doesn't it?

1600 houses refused planning by city councils due to NIMBYs, but that is not the problem. Jesus I give up.

You give up on what? Basic reading comprehension? I didn't even mention 'fat cats' - Jesus Christ, you can pretend that the property owners aren't rich if that makes it easier to empathise with those who are angry with their decision to leave the property vacant during a homelessness crisis.

Jeff2

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Can you empathise with people who would be angry at someone deliberately leaving a property vacant in the middle of a city experiencing a huge housing shortage and a homelessness crisis?

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